Participants: Shelley Quinn (Host), Carol Cannon
Series Code: IAA
Program Code: IAA000402
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00:01 If you hear the word addiction,
00:03 normally you think of somebody 00:04 that's an alcoholic or on drugs, 00:06 but what about the person that just can't quit 00:09 texting or exercises incessantly. 00:12 Stay tuned because we're gonna be talking 00:14 about hidden addictions among Christians. 00:43 Hi, I'm Shelley Quinn, 00:44 welcome to "Issues & Answers." 00:46 Today, we are talking about hidden addictions 00:48 among Christians, but I want to start off 00:50 with the good news first. 00:52 The Bible says in John 8:36 that, 00:55 "Therefore if the son makes you free, 00:57 you are free indeed." 00:59 So not only will we be identifying 01:01 some of these addictions, 01:03 but we're also gonna talk about 01:04 how you can break free from. 01:06 And joining us today is a very special guest 01:09 returning again and that's Carol, 01:11 Cannon Carol, we're so grateful 01:13 that you've comeback. Thank you. 01:14 And you are a certified Alcohol and Drug 01:18 Addiction Behavior Specialist Counselor. 01:23 Yes, C.A.D.C. it's called. Okay, thank you. 01:26 And what does that stand for? 01:28 Certified Alcohol and Drug Abuse Counselor. 01:30 Drug Abuse Counselor, I can split that out mostly. 01:33 You're also an author and you've written two books. 01:37 One is called "Growing--" "Never Good Enough." 01:41 "Never Good Enough." "Growing up Imperfect." 01:44 In a perfect family. Correct. 01:46 And the other is called-- "Hooked on Unhappiness." 01:50 "Hooked on Unhappiness." 01:51 Breaking the Cycle of Discontent. 01:52 That's a wonderful titles, 01:54 great titles. Thank you, thank you. 01:55 I can't wait to read your books. 01:57 Now you and your husband for 35 years 01:59 have had a Recovery Center or Overcoming Center, 02:04 whatever you want to call it. Recovery. 02:05 A Recovery Center in Bowling Green Kentucky. Yes. 02:09 You lived right there on campus on call 24/7. Yes. 02:13 Tell us, the type of work you did there. 02:17 We set out initially to help young people 02:20 who were, who were weird in Christian families 02:25 that prohibited the use of alcohol and drugs 02:27 and found themselves jumping that cultural barrier 02:31 and getting into more trouble 02:34 than they would have probably if they've grown up 02:36 in families that drank socially. Sure. 02:40 Yeah, they were naive about what they were doing, 02:44 they didn't recognize, they didn't know 02:46 the birds and the bees about booze. 02:48 And so when they began to use drugs and alcohol, 02:53 even though they were statistically 02:56 about half as likely to get 02:57 involved with drugs and alcohol. 02:59 They were twice as likely to get 03:00 in trouble once they did. 03:02 And so we saw these young people, 03:04 this was the early 1970s and saw that they needed 03:07 some, some guidance 03:10 and so we actually started off 03:11 and we just sort of created, 03:13 we move away from the university, 03:15 that's where my husband was teaching, 03:17 to move to Central Kentucky. 03:19 And we just sort of created Uncle Paul and Aunt Carol's 03:23 ranch out there in the country 03:24 where we were gonna try to love them 03:26 back to health and good behavior. 03:28 And it was in that kind of a fiery furnace 03:33 that we learned about addiction. 03:34 We discovered that these young people 03:36 weren't just violating the standards they've grown up 03:39 with that they weren't batter 03:40 immoral or anything of the kind. Yes. 03:43 They just got into, they got in deep water. 03:46 And so we be, we have to learn about addiction, 03:48 in fact, we have to discover 03:49 that we had some pretty distinctive, 03:52 addictive tendencies of our own. Interesting. 03:55 So we were actually grateful that that the Lord 03:58 brought us to that sort of situation, 04:00 so that we could learn some things about ourselves. 04:03 You know, when you said that then the idea 04:07 is that addiction is an equal 04:09 opportunity destroyer. Absolutely. 04:11 Doesn't matter what your station is in life. 04:13 That's right. How you've been brought up? 04:15 There are many things 04:16 to which one may become addicted. That's right. 04:19 Let's talk about the four main classes 04:22 of addiction, if you will. 04:23 The one that people know the most about, 04:25 are most conversant with is alcoholism 04:27 and drug dependence. 04:30 And, of course, that includes all illegal drugs 04:35 and certain prescription medication 04:37 can be addictive and then we don't want 04:40 to overlook nicotine and caffeine, 04:41 those are the substances. 04:42 But as a general public we are fairly well 04:46 informed about those substance issues. 04:49 The other three categories fall into the category 04:52 into what we call, clean additions. 04:55 Now that's a miss number 04:56 because they're not really clean. 04:58 They're no more or, you know, less harmful. That's right. 05:02 They just don't involve and so, 05:03 really clean addiction is a lazy way of saying, 05:06 non-chemical dependency. Okay. 05:08 And that includes three different categories, 05:10 activities and processes is the first category 05:14 of the three, the second category 05:16 is interpersonal addictions, and the third category 05:19 is thought and feeling additions. 05:21 Okay, well let's kind of go into those, 05:23 so that people know what we're talking about 05:24 as you said, when it comes to drugs and alcohol 05:27 or chemical dependency, even prescription drugs 05:30 that fall into the category. 05:31 We pretty much understand that, 05:32 we hear about it all the time. 05:34 At least we think we do. 05:36 But now with processes and activity, 05:39 I assume you're talking about 05:40 somebody that like workaholism. 05:42 Right, Terry Kellogg, a very well-known expert 05:46 in this field, speaks of this category 05:49 or this area as any action for distraction. Okay. 05:55 Now isn't that, there's 05:56 nothing wrong with distracting 05:58 one's self in times when you're you know, 06:02 weary and worn and you just want to go 06:05 play a game of monopoly or something, 06:06 I'm not suggesting that there's 06:08 anything wrong with that or, but one can became 06:12 so involved and so obsessed 06:15 with something like shopping, for example. Yes. 06:19 Or electronic activity. Internet. Texting. Texting. 06:24 We see people who are becoming literally 06:26 addicted to texting. Yes. 06:28 Kids who raids are falling 06:31 and they're staying up half the night 06:33 texting their friends. 06:34 Or, or playing their video games and again, 06:37 none of these things in the category of clean 06:39 addictions are intrinsically bad. 06:41 In fact, some of them are very good. 06:44 So it's not what the person is doing per se, 06:46 it's not even how much of what they're doing, 06:49 it's to what extremes they will go 06:51 and in terms of losing control over 06:53 what they're doing. 06:54 All right, so now let's, let's define addiction 06:58 then because you just said, 07:00 it's not necessarily the quantity-- Yes. 07:03 But it's really the loss of control, 07:07 so give us a good definition for addiction. 07:09 The definition I like the very best 07:12 is one that goes like this. 07:14 Addiction is anything I make highest priority 07:16 in my life over and above other priorities, 07:19 doing it to my own detriment or the detriment 07:22 of the people closest to me and continuing to do it 07:25 in the face of obvious negative consequences. 07:28 Okay, so making God 07:31 your top priority is not an addiction, 07:33 but making perhaps religion or religious pers-- 07:40 You know, I think of and we religious pursuits, 07:43 I'm hearing more and more about people 07:45 who are, I guess, you would get 07:49 to call them the holiness movements 07:51 and people who are so addicted 07:53 to the external religious practices. Yes. 07:57 And it really has nothing to do with being 08:00 connected personally with the Lord. 08:02 If I had to use one word to describe religious addiction, 08:06 I would say legalism. Okay. 08:08 Or a term that I think 08:10 is original with me, works-aholism. 08:15 Okay, not workaholics, but works. Yeah, yeah. 08:18 As in trying to work your way to heaven. 08:20 Where you, where you become so obsessed 08:24 that this your religious disciplines perhaps 08:27 become your sole source of meaning, 08:29 identity, and value. 08:30 You commune in uni-dimensional, 08:32 it's the only thing you could talk about, 08:34 it's the only thing you can interact 08:35 with other people around, and you become a very narrow 08:39 uni-dimensional kind of person. Okay, okay. 08:41 Actually I described the religious addiction 08:44 quite thoroughly in my first book, 08:47 "Never Good Enough" going up imperfect 08:50 in a perfect family and that's a pretty good 08:52 resource for that. 08:53 But there are suddenly many, many, 08:56 many other process and activity addictions. 08:59 Workaholism, perfectionism, 09:03 electronic activity, shopping, spending, 09:07 stealing as in Kleptomania. Exercise. 09:11 Exercise, and then the risk taking area, gambling. 09:18 How about pornography, does that fit into that one? 09:20 Actually, it's part way, 09:22 pornography is partly in that one, 09:23 but it's also partly in the interpersonal 09:26 addiction category as well, yeah. 09:28 So, you know, a good addict, 09:31 a person with a good addictive personality 09:33 can get addicted to almost anything. Yes. 09:38 And it's about making it 09:40 so important that you lose your, 09:44 lose touch with reality. 09:45 You know, I think the defining factors 09:48 because there are some gray areas 09:50 especially with these clean addictions. 09:52 I think the defining factors are that, 09:54 when a person is engaged in the behavior, 09:57 they lose touch with their responsibilities, 09:59 their relationships, and with reality. 10:03 So it's doing something, you can overdo something 10:05 to a fault when it's been detrimental to you, 10:08 then you know that you've, you're in trouble. 10:10 Exactly, or if you use it to hurt yourself 10:12 and other people and it's easy to do 10:14 that with religion. Okay. 10:16 So now the third one was interpersonal 10:18 addictions, let's talk about those. 10:19 Yeah, I break that down 10:22 into five subcategories, romance. 10:26 And I know people who just get, 10:29 they get high on being in love, 10:31 falling in love. They absolutely do. 10:32 And that's, their brain is actually producing 10:36 a heroin like and cocaine like substance, 10:38 chemical when a person is falling in love. 10:41 So for all practical purposes 10:43 when we fall in love, we're high. 10:45 And we remain high for several months. 10:47 So you shouldn't marry 10:48 somebody that you have only known for a few months 10:50 because you're marrying 10:51 somebody when you're high on a drug. That's right. 10:53 And you choose making a decision 10:55 that will affect you for the rest of your life 10:57 while you're high on the drugs, okay. 10:58 Yeah, yeah, so let me start that list 11:02 of subcategories again, sex, romance, 11:06 relationships, rescue and caretaking, 11:10 fixing other people can be very addictive. 11:13 And finally, simple enmeshment 11:16 within a family or a extended family system 11:22 in which the various members of the family 11:24 get so intertwined, their egos get so intertwined 11:28 with each other, that they begin to live 11:29 each other's lives. 11:31 So you're talking about living vicariously, 11:33 for example, say a mother 11:35 who didn't get to do the beauty queen routine, 11:38 who takes her little daughter and dresses her up 11:42 and takes her to all these beauty contests 11:44 and actually begins forcing the child to do this. 11:47 Because she is addicted and living vicariously 11:50 through the child, would that be-- 11:52 I think that's an acceptable example, 11:54 I also think of cases 11:55 in which parents and their adult children 11:57 are unable to detach from each other 12:00 and they remain far too involved even, you know, 12:06 even after the child is married 12:09 and has a family of his own. 12:10 The child who has to be, has to, you know, 12:13 communicate with the parents who live in a city 12:16 great distance away several times a day, 12:18 for example, and be in touch constantly and you know. 12:23 So just start living each other's lives 12:25 is the simplest synonym for phrase to describe that. 12:31 Let's see-- And the thoughts 12:32 and feelings addiction. 12:33 Thought, yeah, before I go onto thoughts 12:35 and feelings, so let me give you Anne Wilson Schaef's 12:39 shorthand version of these, 12:42 and I've added a little bit to it too, 12:44 but sex addicts basically come onto people. Okay. 12:50 Romance addicts move on from one relationship 12:53 to the next because they're addicted 12:57 to the accoutrements of romance, 12:59 the Harlequinness, if you will of the experience. 13:03 And for our international audience, 13:06 Harlequin was, I don't know 13:09 if that was international, but those are romance-- 13:11 Romance novels. A little-- In fact, people could 13:14 even get addicted to the books 13:15 and the reading of those books. 13:17 The relationship addiction 13:18 is where you hang on to somebody 13:22 and kind of expect too much of the relationship, 13:28 expect them to, to be, 13:30 to be solely focused on you. Okay. 13:33 And it becomes usually 13:36 a pretty controlling situation. 13:38 The fourth one, rescuing and fixing 13:41 people is where you just climb onto people, 13:43 it's kind of like you collect cripples. Okay. 13:47 And you get one person fixed 13:48 and then you've got to run fix somebody else, 13:51 and it's yeah. So there, the, 13:53 and then the fifth one is enmeshment 13:55 which I've already described. 13:57 So those are the various interpersonal addictions. 13:59 Now, thought and feeling addition 14:01 is the ones that people probably 14:04 can relate to the best 14:05 are worrying, raging, obsessing, 14:13 and those kinds of things. 14:15 Or even the misery addiction 14:19 and negaholism, those are thought 14:23 and feeling addictions. 14:24 The people who are hooked 14:25 on being negative, you know, it's interesting 14:27 because a lot of people 14:28 don't look at worrying as an addiction, 14:30 but when you look at your, your definition. Right. 14:34 And they, they're, it is a choice, I mean, 14:37 some people don't think they have a choice, 14:39 but there is a conscious decision 14:41 that you make to worry or not, 14:43 I mean, some people maybe unconsciously worry, 14:45 but you, you're still choosing to, 14:46 so you can choose the other way. 14:49 So when you look at these, 14:50 how do you identify these various, I mean, 14:57 let's say that, I'm a workaholic 15:00 and maybe I don't recognize or I'm a perfectionist 15:03 and I'm not recognizing it, perhaps I exercise too much 15:08 and I'm not recognizing it. 15:10 How do I identify or how do we reach 15:14 someone who is an addict, to let them know 15:16 you've got a problem? 15:18 Well, typically, there's a lot of denial 15:20 and delusion associated with addictive behavior. 15:24 And so the addict is gonna be the last to know. 15:28 The people closest to him probably know, 15:30 but sometimes they also fall into the denial and delusion. 15:35 Unfortunately it's kind of the nature of addiction 15:37 that you almost always have to suffer 15:39 some consequences before, 15:43 before you begin to take a problem 15:45 of an addictive nature seriously. 15:49 So, but one way if a person is open to it, 15:56 would be simply to listen to feedback from other people. 15:59 So when somebody, like I had a friend 16:01 whose husband began working out 16:06 and at the beginning, it was innocent enough, 16:08 but pretty soon after work he had to go spend through, 16:12 two to three hours in the gym everyday 16:14 and if he missed, he was, he was frantic about it. 16:17 He was, had no time with his children 16:20 because by the time he got home, 16:22 they were in bed, she was feeling neglected, 16:25 abandoned, if you will. Sure. 16:26 So that was becoming an addiction to him, 16:31 but she really couldn't talk to him about it. 16:33 How do you reach or intervene 16:35 when someone's in an addictive pattern? 16:37 Well, often a person in that situation 16:38 that is the person, who's the gym fanatic or, 16:43 is pretty defensive. Yes. 16:44 And so you do to me. And it's good for my health 16:46 and it's good for my body, etcetera. 16:48 And that's the problem with the clean 16:49 addictions, because as I said earlier, 16:52 some of them are intrinsically good. Yes. 16:54 And so it's very, very difficult to confront it. 16:58 Sometimes you have to plan a full scale intervention, 17:01 bring other people into the process 17:03 in order to override 17:04 the addict's denial and delusion, 17:06 you might have to gather 17:08 together a group of people, 17:09 get some support for a professional 17:10 interventionist and some guidance, 17:12 it can be that difficult to break 17:15 through to the addict. Amen. 17:17 Now how do you really put 'cause there maybe 17:22 some woman out there who's saying right now, 17:24 "My husband's addicted to golf, 17:26 he's got to play golf every Sunday, 17:29 and it doesn't necessary mean he's addicted." Right. 17:32 How do you identified between normal behavior 17:34 and addicted behavior? 17:36 Well, I start of course with a definition 17:38 that we used earlier have, has the individual made 17:41 it such a high priority in his life 17:43 that it's harming him and other people 17:46 and yet he's continuing to do it 17:47 in the face of obvious negative consequences, 17:50 that's one criteria. 17:51 The second one is, is the individual 17:56 using this behavior as their sole source of meaning, 18:00 identity and value. 18:02 Do they have -- Are they doing 18:03 this to the extent that they're losing control over 18:06 how much of it that they do or once 18:09 they've gonna started or they're losing 18:11 control of the consequences. 18:14 And then finally, the acid test for me 18:16 is the behavior, removing me from reality, 18:20 from relationship, and from responsibility. 18:23 You know, Carol, I'm thinking about people 18:27 that I know outside the church that perhaps think 18:31 going to the casino is fun to do, 18:35 you know, occasionally, but they seem -- 18:38 they're usually, there seems to be something, you know, 18:40 of course, we don't believe in gambling, 18:42 but with gambling. 18:44 With many of the things 18:46 that people do to entertain themselves, 18:49 there seems to be a code, if you will, 18:54 that just gets you wrapped around, 18:56 then starts to drawing them in. 18:59 And I don't, I'm sure 19:00 you can answer this question for us. 19:02 Are some people born with addictive 19:05 personalities like, you know, 19:07 the ones who take one drink and, I mean, 19:09 it's in their genes, 19:10 they're gonna be an alcoholic, 19:12 do you think that there are people 19:14 who are born with additive personalities 19:16 if they can't just try something 19:18 and do a little of it, but they get immediately, 19:22 they're getting that Serotonin fix 19:24 that maybe they don't have or something 19:26 and they get hooked on it? 19:28 Yes, yes, I do believe that. Okay. 19:31 And I think we're in pretty good company 19:33 as far as the professions in the fields 19:35 that that seems to be the, you know, 19:37 the prevailing opinion is that some people have 19:40 a reward deficiency syndrome. Okay. 19:43 Is what the surgeon general called it, 19:47 the reward deficiency syndrome? 19:50 And certainly we know the children of alcoholics 19:53 are hereditarily or genetically prone. 19:58 So they have a biochemical 20:01 predisposition and I happen to think that, 20:03 that's true of that, that hereditary factor 20:07 is present even with the clean addictions. 20:10 And so you had mentioned earlier 20:12 in another program, actually, we were talking about 20:15 being addicted to unhappiness, 20:17 being addicted to misery, 20:19 if you will that there is a, 20:20 there can be a genetic predisposition and that is-- 20:25 Absolutely, yes but, 20:26 but bear in mind that most of these 20:28 behaviors we're talking about, 20:30 chemical and non-chemical, are very, 20:33 they produce a great deal of pleasure at first 20:35 and that's what hooks people, but you know that, if you go, 20:38 if you should go for the first time in your life, 20:41 you go gamble and play, you know, 20:43 and you win a thousand dollars, 20:45 don't you think that, you'd want to do that again? 20:47 Oh, boy. You see, so-- It's same with men 20:50 who think they're just gonna take, 20:52 or young boys, and they just take 20:53 a look at pornography and we, I don't know, if you know, 20:58 Dr. Ed Weiss, but I had interviewed him 21:00 and he was talking about how that changes 21:04 the chemistry in their brain. 21:06 And then they've got years to overcome, 21:09 to get away from this type of. That's right. 21:13 To reprogram the brain, if you will. 21:15 You know, it's very difficult. 21:16 Shopaholism is the same way. Yes. 21:19 When a person scores a terrific bargain, 21:21 they get a high from it. Yeah. 21:24 Yeah, so it's no wonder that we want to repeat 21:27 behavior that we find rewarding in first place, 21:29 and if we're, if we're kind of deficient 21:31 of those rewarding chemicals in our brains, 21:34 we're naturally gonna want to get them somewhere. 21:37 That's interesting. So now when you, 21:39 we were just talking about we can do this intervention, 21:43 what are some other ways, I mean, 21:45 what do you do, there maybe someone out there 21:47 and you maybe watching right now and say, 21:49 I can identify with this and I realize that, 21:52 you're talking about me and I'm a Christian, 21:54 and I go to church and I didn't realize 21:56 that because they were just having a sale on every week 22:00 and I go down there, I'm a shopaholic. 22:03 What besides the intervention 22:06 are just coming to that point where you are beyond 22:10 denial or you can get someone beyond denial. 22:14 What's the next step out? 22:16 I think that for those of us 22:17 who are affected by someone, 22:19 who has a problem with chemicals 22:22 or with an activity or process addiction, 22:24 the best thing we can do is learn or develop 22:30 coping skills by attending a group 22:33 like AL-Anon or Coda or some other Twelve-Step Program 22:40 where we can learn to stop blaming 22:46 ourselves and stop trying to control 22:48 the other person's behavior and just back off 22:51 and sort of like, go and like God, if you will. 22:53 So you're saying join a support group of some sort 22:57 that will-- Celebrate recovery or-- 22:59 Help you not to be codependent. 23:04 And be so obsessed with the other person 23:06 and with trying to get them fixed 23:07 because when the codependent members of the family 23:11 become so involved in trying to get 23:12 the addictive person fixed, it actually can drive them 23:16 deeper into their addictive behavior. Oh, wow. 23:19 We've got to get the focus back on ourselves 23:21 and on being as healthy as we can ourselves. 23:24 So there's some mother out here who's watching 23:28 and she has little children and she's saying, 23:30 "You're telling me not to try to fix my husband 23:33 who's hooked now on pornography." Okay. 23:36 All right, that's a difficult, 23:38 that's a difficult pill to swallow 23:41 I must to say, I'm not to fix him. 23:43 But the more you try, if you're not educated 23:46 in knowing what you're doing the more 23:47 you probably gonna drive them to the addiction. 23:50 So what's the answer? You step back. 23:53 How does this person get help? 23:56 I think the problem is far greater than 23:58 any of us can manage and we do have to depend 24:01 on a higher power, we have to, 24:03 we have to-- And who is that higher power? 24:06 That would be God. 24:07 Okay, I wanted to make sure. Yeah. Right. 24:10 And certainly God will work through people 24:12 and events in the lives of the addicted person, 24:16 persons to bring them hopefully to their senses. 24:20 You know, it's been my experience 24:24 that through a family member, 24:26 that you can and I can say this, 24:30 my sister gives me permission to, 24:32 she was hooked on chemical drugs 24:36 and I know we're talking about 24:37 the non-chemical ones more today, 24:40 but she went through several 24:42 Twelve-Step Programs 24:44 that we placed her in if you will. 24:47 And none of them took, 24:49 because she had reached that point 24:52 where it had to be between her and God 24:55 and her saying, okay, I'm going to do this. 24:57 Now-- You have to be really ready. 24:59 That's the point I'm making You know, 25:00 sick and tired of being sick and tired. There you go. 25:03 And know that your best efforts 25:06 have failed in every regard and that you do need help. 25:11 Yes, and you know, I know that if I say this, 25:14 I'm probably, please don't write to me, 25:15 but I'll tell woman who, whose husbands are seriously 25:20 into some really bad things. 25:22 And sometimes, it's okay to have a separation 25:24 from that person, especially if the -- 25:28 not telling you get a divorce, 25:30 but separate till they do seek help, 25:33 let them go their way. 25:34 So that it's not being so detrimental to the family, 25:39 you know, when we have somebody 25:40 that's on drugs and alcohol, and things that are going on, 25:44 sometimes it puts the other 25:47 spouse and children at risk. 25:49 Put some at risk can in, it can endanger a wife 25:52 if a husband is a sexaholic, for example, 25:55 it might be endangering his wife's health. Amen. 25:58 And the welfare of the family, 26:01 so in a case like that for the wife to take a time out 26:05 and say, "I'm willing to, 26:07 I want to remain in this relationship, 26:08 God willing, but I need to back off to protect myself 26:12 and create a little space here, 26:13 till you have time that you would need 26:17 to recover from this addiction, 26:18 to go to whatever lengths are necessary 26:20 to free yourself from this addiction." 26:24 So we pray that, we know there's 26:27 some good programs out there like Bridge to, 26:29 Bridge to Recovery, is that the name of that 26:31 in Bowling Green, Kentucky. 26:33 But we also pray that for the churches 26:36 that take addiction and addictive behaviors 26:40 very seriously because they maybe hidden, 26:42 but they are still in the church 26:44 even these "clean addictions". 26:49 Present themselves in the church, 26:50 so we hope that they'll get some kind of program going, 26:53 bring people in who can speak to this, right? Yes, indeed. 26:56 And know that truly God is able. 26:58 Psalm 129 verse 4 says that, "He is righteous, 27:02 He will cut us free from the cords 27:03 of the wicked that binds us." 27:05 And it takes God's help and empowerment, 27:09 your cooperation and sometimes, you know, 27:12 like my sister was delivered 22 years ago, 27:15 overnight from her behavior 27:17 and never repeated any alcohol or the drugs at all. 27:21 But for some people, it's a day-by-day thing. 27:24 And so it takes sometimes professional 27:27 health to come out-- Absolutely, 27:29 yes-- Carol Cannon, 27:31 thank you so much for being back with us again, 27:33 and will you comeback and talk to us more about 27:35 the chemical dependencies? Sure, anytime. Thank you. 27:39 Thank you. For those of you at home, 27:41 we're so glad that, you could join us today. 27:42 And if you are someone that's hiding an addiction, 27:46 I want to encourage you to reach out and get help. 27:49 Pray and ask God, talk to someone, 27:52 find a support group, get some help, 27:55 because it isn't an easy thing to overcome, 27:58 it's a struggle, but you can make it, 28:00 and who the son has set free will be free indeed. 28:05 Thank you so much for joining us today, 28:07 and we'll see you next time. |
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