How do you feel about working with people 00:00:01.98\00:00:03.59 that many classify as hopeless, totally hopeless, 00:00:03.60\00:00:08.24 and extremely, it's not easy is it? 00:00:08.25\00:00:12.45 And it requires a certain kind of thinking. 00:00:12.46\00:00:15.19 Our guest today is a pastor from Las Vegas, Nevada, 00:00:15.20\00:00:19.35 which is a city not known for its purity. 00:00:19.36\00:00:22.11 We'll be right back. 00:00:22.12\00:00:23.17 Welcome to Issues & Answers, 00:00:48.21\00:00:50.73 and today we want to focus on thinking about, 00:00:50.74\00:00:54.73 and working for, and maybe 00:00:54.74\00:00:56.39 changing our attitude toward people 00:00:56.40\00:00:59.20 who are classified as extremely difficult. 00:00:59.21\00:01:03.80 But you know, God, loves every child, 00:01:03.81\00:01:06.99 every person born on planet Earth, 00:01:07.00\00:01:10.42 we don't understand it. 00:01:10.43\00:01:12.31 Because we can classify people 00:01:12.32\00:01:14.74 and we think that some people are just out there. 00:01:14.75\00:01:18.49 But listen to what he says, in the second, 00:01:18.50\00:01:21.85 the third Chapter of the book of Psalms. 00:01:21.86\00:01:24.21 "But You, O Lord, are a shield for me," 00:01:24.22\00:01:28.03 anyone can say that, anyone. 00:01:28.04\00:01:30.85 "You, O Lord, are a shield for me," 00:01:32.14\00:01:34.77 because God's word has been given to this planet, 00:01:34.78\00:01:38.47 He loves everyone, and He wants us 00:01:38.48\00:01:40.99 to all to understand it and believe it. 00:01:41.00\00:01:43.17 My glory and the One who lifts up my head, 00:01:44.54\00:01:47.34 if the people that redeemed 00:01:48.46\00:01:50.78 too difficult are just out there 00:01:50.79\00:01:54.13 and were afraid to work with them, God says, 00:01:54.14\00:01:56.69 "I lift up their head, I'm gonna lift them up, 00:01:56.70\00:01:59.79 I'm gonna give them courage and hope. 00:01:59.80\00:02:01.97 I cried to the Lord with my voice, 00:02:03.51\00:02:05.83 and He heard me from His holy hill." 00:02:05.84\00:02:08.42 Let's begin with prayer. 00:02:09.86\00:02:12.76 Father in Heaven, as we come to discuss 00:02:12.77\00:02:16.63 this topic of difficult people and difficult ministry, 00:02:16.64\00:02:23.25 we just thank You that you have 00:02:23.26\00:02:24.96 such a great heart of compassion and love. 00:02:24.97\00:02:27.34 And we ask that You will bless us 00:02:28.50\00:02:31.10 on this program today and every viewer. 00:02:31.11\00:02:34.43 And give us Your thoughts, and Your attitudes, 00:02:34.44\00:02:36.95 we pray in Jesus' name. Amen. 00:02:36.96\00:02:39.24 Our special guest today is Pastor Peter Neri. 00:02:41.44\00:02:46.23 Welcome. Hey, thank you, Ruthie. 00:02:46.24\00:02:48.14 Glad you came. I'm glad to be here. 00:02:48.15\00:02:50.44 Peter Neri is pastor of the 00:02:50.45\00:02:53.00 Paradise Seventh-day Adventist church 00:02:53.01\00:02:54.78 in Las Vegas, Nevada. Right. 00:02:54.79\00:02:57.37 First of all, Peter, how in the world 00:02:57.38\00:03:01.60 did you get to the city of Las Vegas, Nevada? 00:03:01.61\00:03:04.92 I was so surprised when you told me 00:03:04.93\00:03:07.57 that you were pastoring. 00:03:07.58\00:03:08.59 Because the last I heard, 00:03:08.60\00:03:10.87 you had been a call for an administrative post. 00:03:10.88\00:03:14.38 In Indiana. In Indiana. 00:03:14.39\00:03:16.03 And well, you were there as director of the ministers. 00:03:16.04\00:03:21.76 But then you had been called by another conference 00:03:21.77\00:03:24.30 I believed to be a president. 00:03:24.31\00:03:26.25 And so, I was surprised 00:03:26.26\00:03:27.82 when I heard from you, and you said, 00:03:27.83\00:03:30.09 "I'm pastor of the Paradise Church in Las Vegas, Nevada." 00:03:30.10\00:03:34.37 What happened? 00:03:34.38\00:03:36.01 Well, I'll tell you, it's an amazing story. 00:03:36.02\00:03:38.84 In fact, when Jenny and I 00:03:40.18\00:03:42.20 got to thinking about Las Vegas, Nevada, 00:03:42.21\00:03:45.87 we thought our friends will think that 00:03:45.88\00:03:47.66 we must have lost our minds. 00:03:47.67\00:03:49.41 But it was a total surprise, I was sitting on an airplane 00:03:50.95\00:03:56.93 and I was praying, which I always do 00:03:56.94\00:03:58.97 when I get on an airplane, and it was on that airplane 00:03:58.98\00:04:01.57 that the Lord spoke to my mind. 00:04:01.58\00:04:04.76 During that prayer indicating that the Paradise Church 00:04:04.77\00:04:09.10 in Las Vegas, Nevada which I honestly knew 00:04:09.11\00:04:13.93 very little about, it was where I could do 00:04:13.94\00:04:18.90 a very special ministry that I've always had a heart to do, 00:04:18.91\00:04:22.38 but I've never had the opportunity 00:04:22.39\00:04:24.16 in all the other locations that I've been in the past. 00:04:24.17\00:04:27.73 Wow, I really believe that the Lord does 00:04:27.74\00:04:31.36 prepare us for the place that He wants us to be. 00:04:31.37\00:04:35.94 In Isaiah 45:2 and 3, it says, 00:04:35.95\00:04:38.89 I will go, this is the voice of the Lord, 00:04:38.90\00:04:41.43 "I will go before you, and prepare the way, 00:04:41.44\00:04:44.26 and break down gates of brass and crash through iron bars." 00:04:44.27\00:04:49.08 And that's really what you're having to do in Las Vegas. 00:04:49.09\00:04:53.04 Yeah, it really is. 00:04:53.05\00:04:54.31 How long have you been there now? 00:04:54.32\00:04:55.57 Well, it was August, so we're talking now almost one year. 00:04:55.58\00:04:59.89 August of last year we went there. 00:05:00.94\00:05:04.38 And you have seen people lives change. 00:05:04.39\00:05:06.85 Oh, yeah. I got a beautiful church, 00:05:06.86\00:05:09.31 it's real easy, because I have 00:05:09.32\00:05:11.36 such a beautiful church full of on fire 00:05:11.37\00:05:15.79 Seventh-day Adventist Christians. 00:05:15.80\00:05:17.29 I was there and they are beautiful people. 00:05:17.30\00:05:19.93 Yeah, we had a good time, that was really a neat time. 00:05:19.94\00:05:22.94 And of course, I have to just say this really quick, 00:05:22.95\00:05:25.98 a lot of them are there because of 3ABN 00:05:25.99\00:05:30.49 which we down link there in the city. 00:05:30.50\00:05:33.50 That's great. Yeah. 00:05:33.51\00:05:34.72 That's great. So. 00:05:34.73\00:05:37.04 So, but, God has given you a special heart 00:05:37.05\00:05:41.15 for working with people who, 00:05:41.16\00:05:44.33 many would classify as too far gone. 00:05:44.34\00:05:48.45 Yeah, it really has. And I was thinking about that, 00:05:49.64\00:05:54.41 I believe the roots of that, 00:05:56.19\00:05:58.38 Ruthie, comes from the book "Desire of Ages." 00:05:58.39\00:06:01.83 I've read that a number of times. 00:06:03.22\00:06:07.06 In fact, everywhere I've always been, 00:06:07.07\00:06:08.72 I've encouraged my church members to read it, 00:06:08.73\00:06:11.06 I figure if, if I can say this, 00:06:11.07\00:06:14.65 if there is one thing that the Adventist church 00:06:14.66\00:06:18.40 with the beautiful message that we have in mission 00:06:18.41\00:06:21.73 is we need that love and compassion of Jesus. 00:06:21.74\00:06:25.56 And nothing in my mind conveys 00:06:25.57\00:06:27.60 it so gorgeously as the book, "Desire of Ages." 00:06:27.61\00:06:31.51 And don't you believe that 00:06:31.52\00:06:33.00 any denomination could say that. 00:06:33.01\00:06:35.72 I think every church needs 00:06:35.73\00:06:38.07 the love and compassion of Jesus. 00:06:38.08\00:06:40.31 Yes, that is absolutely correct. 00:06:40.32\00:06:42.29 That's the bottom-line. 00:06:42.30\00:06:43.73 In that book exposes Christ true character of love, 00:06:43.74\00:06:50.14 and compassion, and patience, and longsuffering. 00:06:50.15\00:06:53.17 So, but you're right, that goes for all churches. 00:06:54.68\00:06:57.13 And it makes you love Jesus. Yeah, oh, it does. 00:06:57.14\00:07:00.59 And it makes you love the people that He loves. 00:07:00.60\00:07:03.64 So, but, what are you doing in Las Vegas in terms of, 00:07:06.02\00:07:11.30 of reaching these difficult people, Peter? 00:07:11.31\00:07:13.92 I know that on Wednesdays you fast. Yes. 00:07:13.93\00:07:17.34 And you go to a place where you can overlook 00:07:17.35\00:07:23.21 the entire city of Las Vegas, and you just plead 00:07:23.22\00:07:26.39 with the Lord for the people of that city 00:07:26.40\00:07:29.32 who are gone, they are just-- 00:07:29.33\00:07:33.76 and their consciences are seared, aren't they? 00:07:34.84\00:07:37.81 Yeah, they really are, it's amazing how the depth 00:07:37.82\00:07:40.83 to which their consciences are, at least asleep. 00:07:40.84\00:07:45.53 And we're there to awaken it, but you know, 00:07:47.78\00:07:50.53 there is a mountain there on the south side of Las Vegas, 00:07:50.54\00:07:55.25 actually Henderson is on the south side of Las Vegas, 00:07:55.26\00:07:58.68 and behind that is a mount called 00:07:58.69\00:08:00.25 Black Mountain, interesting name. 00:08:00.26\00:08:03.28 And the 3ABN tower is on Black Mountain. 00:08:03.29\00:08:07.66 And so my tech person took me 00:08:08.91\00:08:11.89 up to the mountain when I first got there. 00:08:11.90\00:08:15.17 We walked it because 00:08:15.18\00:08:16.23 we wanted to exercise, it was quite a climb. 00:08:16.24\00:08:19.96 And when we got to the tower area, 00:08:19.97\00:08:21.68 we looked over our facility there. 00:08:21.69\00:08:23.87 And I turned around and looked, 00:08:25.00\00:08:26.71 and here's the entire valley 00:08:27.78\00:08:29.70 spread out, just like a postcard. 00:08:29.71\00:08:33.60 And I suddenly realized this is my prayer spot. 00:08:34.92\00:08:38.23 And so now, every Wednesday it's a Paradise church, 00:08:39.89\00:08:46.98 day of fasting and prayer. 00:08:46.99\00:08:49.73 And we have three specific prayer times during the day, 00:08:49.74\00:08:52.65 but in the morning after the first prayer session 00:08:52.66\00:08:55.02 I go up on that mountain 00:08:55.03\00:08:57.45 and I pray over the entire city, it's incredible. 00:08:57.46\00:09:01.96 In fact, doing that I want to tell our listeners, 00:09:01.97\00:09:05.30 and doing that I have a deeper burden now for the city. 00:09:05.31\00:09:11.28 That's just what I was gonna say, Peter. 00:09:11.29\00:09:13.33 I really believe that because you have been faithful, 00:09:13.34\00:09:16.47 and the Lord himself leads you up there, and says, 00:09:16.48\00:09:19.58 "Open your eyes, Peter, I want you to see this, 00:09:19.59\00:09:22.13 this is my heart, I really care about 00:09:22.14\00:09:24.76 those people that are lost in this city." 00:09:24.77\00:09:27.62 And as a result of your faithfulness 00:09:27.63\00:09:31.16 to do what He has asked you to do, 00:09:31.17\00:09:33.31 He is giving you His heart. Yes. 00:09:33.32\00:09:36.60 His love for people that are extremely difficult to reach. 00:09:36.61\00:09:41.97 And I wondered some are scratching 00:09:43.09\00:09:44.69 their heads thinking, well, that sounds really neat, 00:09:44.70\00:09:47.03 but I wonder if that's really true. 00:09:47.04\00:09:49.54 How can I emphasize to you that this really happened? 00:09:49.55\00:09:55.11 On that mountain I no have a greater burden 00:09:55.12\00:09:57.71 that I did before for Las Vegas, 00:09:57.72\00:09:59.99 and some doors are beginning to open. 00:10:00.00\00:10:02.18 Tell us. Well, let me tell you, 00:10:02.19\00:10:04.57 I stand in the mountain and first 00:10:04.58\00:10:06.39 I would sit on the rock and I would pray. 00:10:06.40\00:10:09.23 Just a minute, what time is your first prayer service at? 00:10:09.24\00:10:12.05 Six O'clock in the morning. 00:10:12.06\00:10:13.32 Six O'clock. We go from six to seven. 00:10:13.33\00:10:15.09 Six to seven, and so people 00:10:15.10\00:10:16.83 can come by on their way to work. 00:10:16.84\00:10:18.32 On their way to work, before work, 00:10:18.33\00:10:20.15 they meet at the church and we pray. 00:10:20.16\00:10:21.93 How many people do you have there 00:10:21.94\00:10:23.45 for your six o'clock meeting? 00:10:23.46\00:10:24.69 Six O'clock and our 5:30 is the two biggest times, 00:10:24.70\00:10:29.54 because we also do it at noon. 00:10:29.55\00:10:31.49 But we have anywhere from 10 to 15 00:10:31.50\00:10:34.09 people that come at both those times. 00:10:34.10\00:10:36.07 Okay, so you meet at six o'clock in the morning. 00:10:36.08\00:10:38.46 At noon, and at 5:30 in the evening. 00:10:38.47\00:10:40.58 And 5:30 in the evening, and then that goes 00:10:40.59\00:10:43.32 for an hour till 6:30, then we start prayer meeting at 6:45. 00:10:43.33\00:10:47.97 And by the time you get there for prayer meeting. 00:10:47.98\00:10:50.34 I'm tired. You're tired, 00:10:50.35\00:10:52.25 and you haven't eaten anything all day, 00:10:52.26\00:10:54.04 but there is a spiritual energy. 00:10:54.05\00:10:56.76 Oh, there is, those prayer times, 00:10:56.77\00:10:58.98 Ruthie, are so beautiful. 00:10:58.99\00:11:00.01 You can't understand what I'm saying 00:11:01.48\00:11:03.87 until you experience it yourself. 00:11:03.88\00:11:06.18 And I encourage my church in some, 00:11:06.19\00:11:08.46 they're starting to be more less reluctant and calm, 00:11:08.47\00:11:11.81 because they are sitting, wondering. 00:11:11.82\00:11:13.79 I don't want to pray in front of anybody 00:11:13.80\00:11:16.23 and I'd be embraced what if I don't say 00:11:16.24\00:11:18.20 the right thing and it's so early in the morning. 00:11:18.21\00:11:21.07 And, but slowly but surely more are coming 00:11:21.08\00:11:25.57 and more that comes the greater the prayer is, 00:11:25.58\00:11:28.91 and people are really being blessed 00:11:28.92\00:11:30.33 and prayers are being answered. 00:11:30.34\00:11:31.93 And the people who are coming are receiving a huge blessing. 00:11:31.94\00:11:36.32 Oh, yes, they are. 00:11:36.33\00:11:37.54 And they can share that with other people. 00:11:37.55\00:11:39.43 That's beautiful, so the last thing 00:11:40.48\00:11:42.94 in the evening is your prayer meeting. 00:11:42.95\00:11:44.42 Yeah, then we have prayer meeting. 00:11:44.43\00:11:46.44 And prayer meeting is when you're suppose to pray because 00:11:46.45\00:11:48.74 it's called prayer meeting but we study, 00:11:48.75\00:11:51.62 because an hour before that we do the praying, so. 00:11:51.63\00:11:55.62 And like I said, more, more people 00:11:55.63\00:11:56.97 are coming, it's exciting. 00:11:56.98\00:11:58.36 There must be a lot of rejoicing, 00:11:58.37\00:12:00.39 because you've been praying, 00:12:00.40\00:12:02.59 you've been in the Lord's presence, 00:12:02.60\00:12:03.89 you've been upon the mountain, 00:12:03.90\00:12:05.69 and things have been happening all day. 00:12:05.70\00:12:08.43 When you fast and pray, 00:12:08.44\00:12:10.20 the Lord, meets you, when you give Him time. 00:12:10.21\00:12:13.29 It's like, it's like maybe 00:12:13.30\00:12:16.48 this isn't a good example maybe it is, 00:12:16.49\00:12:18.66 but, you know, if you have an apple, 00:12:18.67\00:12:20.86 you can easily count the seeds in an apple. 00:12:22.42\00:12:25.32 Okay, that's true. 00:12:26.35\00:12:27.53 But you could never count 00:12:27.54\00:12:28.94 the apples in a seed, isn't that right? 00:12:28.95\00:12:33.52 That's true, that's right. 00:12:33.53\00:12:35.02 And so, when the Lord, when you give God time, 00:12:35.03\00:12:39.59 and you say, Lord, come and meet with us 00:12:39.60\00:12:42.04 and just let this explode, have your own way, 00:12:42.05\00:12:45.94 do whatever you want to do through us 00:12:45.95\00:12:48.28 and in this city, He does, He's faithful. 00:12:48.29\00:12:51.65 Yeah, He is. And you know, 00:12:51.66\00:12:53.20 there is another evolution going on. 00:12:53.21\00:12:55.34 You know, again to encourage our listeners, 00:12:57.74\00:13:01.87 when we started this even I didn't know exactly 00:13:01.88\00:13:04.95 what to do for sure, but I did know this. 00:13:04.96\00:13:07.86 In Nevada, and as particularly in Las Vegas, 00:13:07.87\00:13:14.20 the economy has really hit hard, 00:13:14.21\00:13:16.83 probably if not the worse, 00:13:16.84\00:13:18.95 one of the hardest hit places in North America. 00:13:18.96\00:13:22.20 And we've had church members who have lost their jobs, 00:13:22.21\00:13:25.94 and so one of the focuses we started with is to pray 00:13:25.95\00:13:30.13 for our brothers and sisters who were struggling 00:13:30.14\00:13:34.25 with making ends meet, the fear of losing houses, 00:13:34.26\00:13:38.52 feed the kids, what are we're gonna do, 00:13:38.53\00:13:41.01 where are we gonna go. 00:13:41.02\00:13:42.62 And so, we started and as we continued to pray, 00:13:42.63\00:13:47.60 our focus not only left that, but our focus began to shift 00:13:47.61\00:13:52.06 and we began to pray for people who were interests, 00:13:52.07\00:13:56.26 as well as the potential interests that we know 00:13:56.27\00:13:59.98 God know put us in Las Vegas for. 00:13:59.99\00:14:03.44 And so, you know, it's just because we did. 00:14:03.45\00:14:07.46 People who are interested or should be interested. 00:14:07.47\00:14:10.26 Or should be interested. In Him. 00:14:10.27\00:14:11.74 In Him, so it's evolved. That's great. 00:14:11.75\00:14:15.53 And the people who you were praying for 00:14:15.54\00:14:18.32 are now praying for other people. 00:14:18.33\00:14:19.77 And they're now praying for other people 00:14:19.78\00:14:21.14 and it's amazing to hear each person 00:14:21.15\00:14:23.27 praying for somebody or something 00:14:23.28\00:14:25.66 and actually pleading with God in their behalf. 00:14:25.67\00:14:28.28 Peter, I wanted to ask you, how do you think 00:14:29.34\00:14:34.15 or why do you think God laid this burden on your heart 00:14:34.16\00:14:37.66 other than reading Desire of Ages. 00:14:38.97\00:14:40.94 A lot of us read Desire of Ages, 00:14:41.99\00:14:43.63 but you have been given a special heart 00:14:43.64\00:14:47.95 of compassion for people who, 00:14:47.96\00:14:51.78 most people would say, are totally hopeless. 00:14:51.79\00:14:54.12 And afraid to work with, they don't want to be tended 00:14:55.38\00:14:58.71 by that kind of environment really. 00:14:59.63\00:15:01.87 And a lot of people don't even 00:15:02.99\00:15:04.32 like to drive down the strip in Las Vegas. 00:15:04.33\00:15:09.18 My wife for example. Yeah, because. 00:15:09.19\00:15:11.39 She said, "we're not gonna look at those pictures, 00:15:11.40\00:15:13.18 I'm not taking my boys there." 00:15:13.19\00:15:15.32 I mean, it's terrible, it's so visual 00:15:15.33\00:15:18.47 and so obvious, blatant. 00:15:18.48\00:15:21.65 The enemy is obviously trying to destroy people 00:15:21.66\00:15:26.86 with pornography that is so obvious, 00:15:26.87\00:15:31.57 and every kind of crime and vice, 00:15:31.58\00:15:34.73 and temptation that he can put out there before people. 00:15:34.74\00:15:39.71 So, but God has given you a heart. 00:15:41.44\00:15:43.56 He's given me a heart. 00:15:43.57\00:15:44.54 To care for people that a lot of people would shun, 00:15:44.55\00:15:48.31 they'd say, oh, you know, 00:15:48.32\00:15:49.95 it's easier to work with somebody that I can trust. 00:15:49.96\00:15:53.09 Because these people are so, 00:15:53.10\00:15:56.15 so used to living a life of deception. 00:15:56.16\00:15:58.62 When you're doing something, 00:15:59.90\00:16:01.81 living a lifestyle of impurity you deceived 00:16:01.82\00:16:05.15 in other things too to cover up. 00:16:05.16\00:16:06.98 And so these are not people you can trust. 00:16:08.74\00:16:11.01 No, you know, I want to start an answer to your questions, 00:16:11.02\00:16:16.39 a question with relating to you and experience 00:16:16.40\00:16:20.81 that I had with my own self when I came into contact 00:16:20.82\00:16:26.36 with that beautiful verse in Psalms, 00:16:26.37\00:16:28.33 "What is man, that thou art mindful of him?" 00:16:28.34\00:16:30.47 You see, I, because of my parents 00:16:31.65\00:16:34.98 I was raised in a very nice home. 00:16:34.99\00:16:36.93 I worked in a clothing store so I know how to dress, 00:16:39.50\00:16:42.35 I went to college and I got a degree, 00:16:44.10\00:16:46.17 but what no one knew was I may have looked good 00:16:47.70\00:16:50.20 on the inside but my outside but my inside was horrible. 00:16:50.21\00:16:54.61 And when the realization came to me that 00:16:56.00\00:16:58.32 God was actually speaking to me personally, 00:16:58.33\00:17:01.16 that even though if you knew me prior to my conversation, 00:17:03.31\00:17:06.30 you'd have thought I was a pretty neat person. 00:17:06.31\00:17:08.41 I knew the truth I wasn't, and God cared about me. 00:17:09.76\00:17:15.30 And I think that's where it started that text, 00:17:15.31\00:17:17.69 "What is man that thou even bother with him?" 00:17:17.70\00:17:20.90 Why are you even spending time much less dying for him? 00:17:22.31\00:17:25.74 So I think it started there. 00:17:25.75\00:17:28.34 And, you know, Peter, when we realize 00:17:28.35\00:17:31.42 how much we have been forgiven 00:17:31.43\00:17:34.62 and the Lord is so willing and able to forgive us, 00:17:34.63\00:17:39.37 and to pardon us, and to take our sins 00:17:39.38\00:17:41.50 as far as the East is from the West, 00:17:41.51\00:17:43.72 and doesn't remember them anymore. 00:17:43.73\00:17:45.70 And then he says, now forgive like that. 00:17:45.71\00:17:48.49 Yeah. Forgive. 00:17:48.50\00:17:50.39 And that is not easy, it's a process, 00:17:50.40\00:17:53.52 and it's a continual turning to him 00:17:53.53\00:17:56.26 for the strength and guidance to do that. 00:17:56.27\00:17:58.68 Right, and I think also from the beautiful numerous tapes 00:17:58.69\00:18:06.46 that we have from various speakers in our church, 00:18:06.47\00:18:09.56 I was convicted early upon my conversion. 00:18:09.57\00:18:12.82 Remember I came into this church 00:18:12.83\00:18:14.22 at 26 years of age, I had formulated 00:18:14.23\00:18:17.67 a lot of opinions and lived a lot of life to that point 00:18:17.68\00:18:21.41 and I learned about a daily devotional life. 00:18:21.42\00:18:25.72 If anything has helped me in the daily devotional life 00:18:28.53\00:18:33.20 is to remind me of my daily need of Jesus. 00:18:33.21\00:18:36.26 So that that desire to reach out 00:18:36.27\00:18:38.75 and help somebody else stays constant, 00:18:38.76\00:18:42.90 or actually it doesn't stay constant, 00:18:42.91\00:18:45.50 it grows but it's there because I don't let it die, 00:18:45.51\00:18:50.21 because I have to spend my time with the Lord. 00:18:50.22\00:18:53.19 Don't you believe, Peter, that when we are 00:18:53.20\00:18:56.32 in His presence in the morning, He change us. 00:18:56.33\00:19:01.02 You're not the same person 00:19:01.03\00:19:02.92 when you leave your prayer closet 00:19:02.93\00:19:04.91 as you were when you walked in. 00:19:04.92\00:19:06.53 That's an amazing thing, but that's true. 00:19:07.89\00:19:10.54 It is true, and as Ellen White says, 00:19:10.55\00:19:12.92 "Mind comes into contact with infinity." 00:19:12.93\00:19:15.90 My mind comes into connection 00:19:15.91\00:19:18.90 with divinity and infinity, it's just amazing. 00:19:18.91\00:19:24.18 And that's the only hope I have by the way, 00:19:25.85\00:19:28.81 that's the only reason I'm a minister too, 00:19:28.82\00:19:30.57 because as long as I do that I can be a minister, so. 00:19:30.58\00:19:34.85 So you love these people of Las Vegas, 00:19:34.86\00:19:38.87 what kind of experiences have you had 00:19:38.88\00:19:40.73 that have encouraged you that the Lord 00:19:40.74\00:19:42.40 put you there and that you're on the right track? 00:19:42.41\00:19:44.58 I'll tell you, first of all, in our church we have 00:19:45.93\00:19:51.50 a number of converts again 00:19:51.51\00:19:55.17 from my recollection most of them watching 3ABN. 00:19:55.18\00:19:59.41 Who were ex-druggies, who were prostitutes, 00:19:59.42\00:20:04.55 horrible alcoholics, who are now 00:20:07.07\00:20:10.42 deacons, deaconesses? 00:20:10.43\00:20:12.95 Probably have a lot of gamblers. 00:20:14.86\00:20:16.75 Oh, yeah, definitely, a lot of gamblers 00:20:16.76\00:20:18.57 and you know, it's funny, I don't identify with that. 00:20:18.58\00:20:22.95 Here I am in Las Vegas, 00:20:22.96\00:20:24.89 but since I never really gambled even though 00:20:24.90\00:20:26.78 I had my other vices prior to conversion. 00:20:26.79\00:20:30.34 I have a hard time connecting with that. 00:20:30.35\00:20:33.16 But I've got people in my church 00:20:33.17\00:20:35.70 that God had reached 00:20:35.71\00:20:37.88 that I thought should have been dead, 00:20:37.89\00:20:40.41 it's a miracle they're alive. 00:20:40.42\00:20:42.06 Explain. Okay. 00:20:42.07\00:20:44.08 They had gone so far in their experience 00:20:44.09\00:20:47.41 that the fact that they were able to 00:20:47.42\00:20:49.23 disentangle from the, from the huge amount 00:20:49.24\00:20:52.96 of baggage that they had encumbered themselves 00:20:52.97\00:20:55.63 with through their addictions, 00:20:55.64\00:20:57.11 and behaviors, and habits. 00:20:57.12\00:20:58.84 That they found like 3ABN on TV. 00:21:00.57\00:21:04.68 And slowly but surely they found 00:21:04.69\00:21:07.27 the power to extract themselves, 00:21:07.28\00:21:09.51 they limped or even crawled to the church. 00:21:09.52\00:21:13.08 They found friendship there from other people. 00:21:13.09\00:21:16.48 Who understood their polite and were loved 00:21:16.49\00:21:19.93 and nurtured instead of judged 00:21:19.94\00:21:22.09 and you know, look down upon. 00:21:22.10\00:21:25.23 Isn't that good? Oh, yeah, it's wonderful. 00:21:25.24\00:21:27.88 And this is what we have to have. 00:21:27.89\00:21:29.37 We have to have that and that only comes 00:21:29.38\00:21:32.74 from a real personal relationship 00:21:32.75\00:21:35.03 with Jesus Christ. That's right. 00:21:35.04\00:21:37.37 Because people who are living a lifestyle of hopelessness 00:21:37.38\00:21:42.84 have to have the genuine thing, 00:21:44.14\00:21:45.58 because they're not gonna be helped by a phony. 00:21:46.81\00:21:49.66 No, they're not. 00:21:49.67\00:21:51.45 And so these people now I hooked them up, 00:21:51.46\00:21:54.18 we find somebody who's had a similar experience. 00:21:54.19\00:21:57.41 And I go with them, and I sit there 00:21:57.42\00:21:59.25 and marvel at what they say. 00:21:59.26\00:22:02.44 Wow, because they know. 00:22:02.45\00:22:03.56 Because they know, and I'm, each time I do that I learn. 00:22:03.57\00:22:08.38 Sure. I learn more and more. 00:22:08.39\00:22:10.25 And then, Ruthie, again my heart just 00:22:10.26\00:22:13.72 ache for them more and more, 00:22:13.73\00:22:15.61 and I want to get involve more and more. 00:22:15.62\00:22:17.53 And so it's slowly evolving in this direction to where 00:22:18.57\00:22:22.87 we're now trying to actually develop a street ministry. 00:22:22.88\00:22:26.69 As you describe that Peter, 00:22:28.64\00:22:30.54 I somehow could picture in my mind 00:22:30.55\00:22:33.23 how you're in this room with these people 00:22:33.24\00:22:37.42 with one person disciplining another 00:22:37.43\00:22:39.91 and you're disciplining them both, 00:22:39.92\00:22:42.00 and you're praying for them. 00:22:42.01\00:22:43.78 And the room is full of angels. 00:22:43.79\00:22:46.12 Full of angels. Don't you believe that? 00:22:46.13\00:22:48.33 I believe that, and by the way, Ruthie, 00:22:48.34\00:22:50.48 sometimes I think they're actually mentoring me 00:22:50.49\00:22:53.79 as I listen to them minister. 00:22:53.80\00:22:56.18 You know, I'm just, it amazes me, 00:22:56.19\00:22:59.27 because their sincerity, 00:22:59.28\00:23:00.89 their commitment, their earnestness. 00:23:00.90\00:23:02.74 God really did this for me, He can do it for you. 00:23:02.75\00:23:06.13 You can be free but you gotta turn to Jesus. 00:23:06.14\00:23:09.51 And that's exactly what they need to hear. 00:23:09.52\00:23:11.66 And when somebody says, I was where you are, 00:23:13.40\00:23:17.07 I was once where you are today, 00:23:17.08\00:23:19.52 but because of the grace of God, I'm now standing. 00:23:19.53\00:23:23.36 Yes, and they say it, and tears come to their eyes, 00:23:23.37\00:23:27.80 tears come to my eyes, it's just amazing. 00:23:27.81\00:23:31.09 I want to share something with you 00:23:31.10\00:23:32.98 that I think it's just so powerful. 00:23:32.99\00:23:35.95 It's a song written by Rodney Griffin 00:23:35.96\00:23:39.03 and it just says what we've been talking about. 00:23:39.04\00:23:41.90 "Since the day that I surrendered 00:23:41.91\00:23:44.52 Many years have come and gone 00:23:44.53\00:23:46.86 Joy and sadness I remember 00:23:46.87\00:23:49.42 Lord, You were faithful all along. 00:23:49.43\00:23:52.65 You brought me through my lowest valley 00:23:52.66\00:23:55.21 You brought me cross the desert dry 00:23:56.22\00:23:59.23 You were my friend when I was lonely 00:23:59.24\00:24:02.71 You whispered peace and made me smile 00:24:02.72\00:24:06.48 As I survey the joy and sorrow 00:24:06.49\00:24:09.46 I find your love remains the same. 00:24:09.47\00:24:13.20 So, I will trust you for tomorrow 00:24:13.21\00:24:15.66 For You were faithful yesterday 00:24:16.93\00:24:20.34 By Your power I'm still standing 00:24:20.35\00:24:24.59 By Your grace I have been saved 00:24:24.60\00:24:28.00 By Your mercy I'm still trusting 00:24:28.01\00:24:31.16 That you will take me all the way 00:24:31.17\00:24:33.65 And then it goes back. 00:24:35.82\00:24:37.66 You brought me through my lowest valley 00:24:37.67\00:24:40.15 You brought me across the desert dry 00:24:40.16\00:24:42.11 You were my friend when I was lonely 00:24:42.12\00:24:45.20 You whispered peace and made me smile 00:24:45.21\00:24:48.28 As I survey the joy and sorrow 00:24:48.29\00:24:51.51 I find your love remains the same 00:24:51.52\00:24:55.00 So I will trust you for tomorrow 00:24:55.01\00:24:57.79 For You were faithful yesterday. 00:24:57.80\00:24:59.71 And, Peter, that's exactly 00:24:59.72\00:25:01.44 what these people need to hear. 00:25:01.45\00:25:02.64 Yeah, they do. 00:25:02.65\00:25:03.77 They need to hear somebody authentic say, 00:25:03.78\00:25:07.97 "He's faithful, and I've tested it." 00:25:07.98\00:25:10.91 And all through scripture God says, "Test Me." 00:25:11.93\00:25:14.80 Yeah, He does. 00:25:14.81\00:25:15.80 In fact, Ruthie, I just remembered 00:25:15.81\00:25:19.34 in Isaiah 50 verse 4, you know, we talked about 00:25:19.35\00:25:23.11 this text so much and this is so real 00:25:23.12\00:25:28.99 and so needed in all our lives, 00:25:30.29\00:25:32.55 and you know that one. 00:25:33.72\00:25:34.95 The Lord God has given me the tongue, 00:25:34.96\00:25:38.69 my Bible says of a disciple or in King James 00:25:38.70\00:25:41.60 the tongue of the learned, that 00:25:41.61\00:25:43.11 I may know how to sustain a weary one with a word. 00:25:43.12\00:25:47.13 He awaken me, morning by morning 00:25:48.44\00:25:51.51 He awakens my ear to listen as a disciple. 00:25:51.52\00:25:55.61 Isn't that good? Yes. 00:25:55.62\00:25:56.77 And we forget that these people who are lost, 00:25:56.78\00:26:00.24 and who are out there, and in these 00:26:00.25\00:26:02.65 horrible lifestyles of darkness are weary, 00:26:02.66\00:26:07.74 they are not happy, 00:26:07.75\00:26:09.00 they are not receiving the hope, 00:26:09.01\00:26:11.81 and the happiness, and the joy, 00:26:11.82\00:26:13.38 and the fulfillment that they thought they'd find there. 00:26:13.39\00:26:16.46 They are there because the girls, 00:26:16.47\00:26:19.32 the young girls as you were telling me, are prostitutes, 00:26:19.33\00:26:22.80 many of them because of a drug habit. 00:26:22.81\00:26:24.86 And then the men, who are overseeing 00:26:26.80\00:26:30.60 and taking part of this money 00:26:30.61\00:26:33.33 are just further enslaving them. 00:26:33.34\00:26:36.75 Yeah. What a horrible life. 00:26:36.76\00:26:39.34 It is, and imagine that God has gifted us 00:26:39.35\00:26:42.95 with the message and the method to reach them, 00:26:42.96\00:26:46.09 and we're afraid or timid, 00:26:46.10\00:26:48.30 and that's where we're building to get to. 00:26:48.31\00:26:50.82 In fact, Ruthie, let me tell you something, 00:26:50.83\00:26:52.63 I want to share this with our listeners 00:26:52.64\00:26:56.11 and I want to say it just right. 00:26:56.12\00:26:58.06 Because I don't want to sound critical, 00:26:58.07\00:26:59.86 but I was on the strip the other day, 00:26:59.87\00:27:01.57 and I noticed the sign for held up 00:27:02.97\00:27:05.65 by a Christian group that says, "Repent or go to Hell." 00:27:05.66\00:27:09.84 And it really hurt me in my heart 00:27:11.23\00:27:15.82 because that's not the character of God. 00:27:15.83\00:27:18.41 And there was no one there to help them 00:27:18.42\00:27:20.50 to show them how they already feel guilty. 00:27:20.51\00:27:24.36 Well, right that you know, 00:27:24.37\00:27:26.71 when we look at Ministry of Healing 143, 00:27:26.72\00:27:31.35 Christ method alone 00:27:31.36\00:27:32.91 will reach the people, He mingled with them. 00:27:32.92\00:27:35.74 That's right. Ellen White says, 00:27:35.75\00:27:37.00 "We must give them words of encouragement." 00:27:37.01\00:27:39.97 That's right, that's right. 00:27:39.98\00:27:42.12 Well, our time is about gone, but, Peter, 00:27:42.13\00:27:45.07 you have really I hope stirred up our minds 00:27:45.08\00:27:49.49 and given us something to think about. 00:27:49.50\00:27:51.63 I hope that you and I, and all of us 00:27:51.64\00:27:54.55 will really pray for these people. 00:27:54.56\00:27:57.03 And pray that God will open doors of ministry 00:27:57.04\00:28:00.15 so that more and more can find true salvation. 00:28:00.16\00:28:03.63 Thank you for joining us, we just hope 00:28:03.64\00:28:06.06 that your life will be more and more blessed. 00:28:06.07\00:28:08.38 We'll see you next time. 00:28:08.39\00:28:09.47