No one enjoys being in the darkness. 00:00:01.98\00:00:03.02 We are creatures of light, we need light to survive. 00:00:03.66\00:00:07.19 Today, I want you to meet someone who came 00:00:07.22\00:00:11.03 from darkness into light. 00:00:11.06\00:00:12.72 What an exciting experience, 00:00:12.75\00:00:14.81 we'll be right back. 00:00:14.84\00:00:16.15 Welcome to Issues & Answers. 00:00:40.02\00:00:42.16 I think that many people today have experienced 00:00:43.05\00:00:46.52 the issue of darkness, discouragement, 00:00:46.75\00:00:49.90 feeling disheartened, discouraged 00:00:50.75\00:00:53.46 and not knowing how to take the next steps 00:00:53.65\00:00:57.16 into the light, but God is faithful. 00:00:57.19\00:01:00.95 I'd like to have you hear this from the 00:01:00.98\00:01:04.77 message Bible, from the book of Psalms 00:01:04.80\00:01:07.65 and it's the first part of chapter 16 where David 00:01:07.68\00:01:11.50 is saying, "keep me safe O God, 00:01:11.53\00:01:14.17 I've run for dear life to you. 00:01:14.63\00:01:16.63 I say to God, Be my Lord! Without you, 00:01:17.33\00:01:20.23 nothing makes sense." And that's really how you feel 00:01:20.26\00:01:24.66 if you are in the darkness or you're experiencing 00:01:25.26\00:01:27.98 depression or discouragement. 00:01:28.42\00:01:30.56 Your life changes, it takes on a different hue, 00:01:30.75\00:01:34.34 a different color. So, and then he says, 00:01:34.37\00:01:39.01 "now that you've got my feet on the life path, 00:01:39.04\00:01:42.10 all radiant from the shining of your face. 00:01:42.64\00:01:44.83 Ever since you took my hand, I'm on the right way". 00:01:45.39\00:01:48.79 Our God is faithful and true and he does 00:01:49.50\00:01:54.03 keep us on the right path. He has a wonderful 00:01:54.06\00:01:58.09 purpose and plan for every life. 00:01:58.12\00:02:01.59 I'd like for you to meet our special guest today 00:02:02.40\00:02:05.15 Liana and Martin Kim from Berrien Springs, 00:02:06.79\00:02:10.66 Michigan welcome. Good, Thank you. 00:02:10.69\00:02:13.20 Hello, good to be here. 00:02:13.23\00:02:14.77 Liana said she is from Korea and Martin 00:02:14.80\00:02:17.66 is from Los Angeles. And Martin how long 00:02:17.69\00:02:20.98 have you and Liana been married? 00:02:21.01\00:02:23.15 It's been a little more then nine years now. 00:02:23.18\00:02:25.73 But you still look like kids, you've been 00:02:26.45\00:02:30.14 married almost, you're going on 10 years, 00:02:30.17\00:02:33.07 almost, that's wonderful. Now, we know 00:02:33.10\00:02:36.64 that you are working with the Southeast 00:02:36.67\00:02:38.94 Asia project, yes, raising money and working 00:02:38.97\00:02:42.11 with people in all of these countries, 00:02:42.14\00:02:44.93 tell us which countries again. 00:02:44.96\00:02:46.66 Cambodia, Thailand, Laos, Vietnam, 00:02:47.00\00:02:49.94 and we are working also in Myanmar. 00:02:49.97\00:02:51.83 Four countries, five countries, five countries 00:02:52.60\00:02:55.17 with huge population bases and enormous needs, 00:02:55.20\00:03:00.76 yes, and problems; but you've seen 00:03:00.79\00:03:03.14 God's hand work. Yes. In wonderful ways too, 00:03:03.17\00:03:05.95 but I want to back up a little bit have you always 00:03:05.98\00:03:09.70 just been on the top of the mountain Martin, 00:03:10.16\00:03:13.43 have you always just been working 00:03:13.46\00:03:15.72 with God and everything was perfect. 00:03:15.75\00:03:17.97 I wish I could say that I had that kind 00:03:18.68\00:03:20.86 of experience; it has not always been like that, 00:03:20.89\00:03:23.97 I've spent much time down in the valleys. 00:03:24.00\00:03:25.67 And when did that start for you? 00:03:27.87\00:03:30.02 God helped, I was struck with a lot of anxiety, 00:03:30.23\00:03:34.30 mild depression growing up and I guess 00:03:34.33\00:03:37.77 I always grew up thinking one day I'll be happy 00:03:37.80\00:03:39.64 if I made a lot of money and that was the lie 00:03:39.67\00:03:41.39 I believed growing up and on one day 00:03:41.42\00:03:43.71 I realized that money is not what brings happiness 00:03:43.74\00:03:47.43 and then I started experiencing more 00:03:47.93\00:03:49.64 severe depression later on. 00:03:49.67\00:03:51.07 You thought you had an answer and 00:03:52.69\00:03:54.58 that was evasive. Yes. And so you were left 00:03:54.61\00:03:59.98 with the rug pulled out from under you again. 00:04:00.16\00:04:03.29 How did you find peace, you know 00:04:04.91\00:04:07.60 who you are today, you have peace. 00:04:07.63\00:04:09.68 Yes. And you know who God is and you know 00:04:09.71\00:04:12.03 he's with you, but that was not always the case. 00:04:12.06\00:04:15.09 How, did you grow up in a Christian home? 00:04:15.92\00:04:18.41 Yes, I pretty much grew up in a Christian home 00:04:18.44\00:04:20.62 all my life, went to church all my life. 00:04:20.65\00:04:22.61 I, I know what the Bible says but I guess 00:04:22.64\00:04:25.61 for me you know it was all up here, 00:04:25.64\00:04:27.43 I wasn't experiencing it and God kind of took 00:04:27.79\00:04:31.24 me on a journey where, where I had to 00:04:31.27\00:04:34.18 understand what it meant to live by faith, 00:04:34.21\00:04:36.06 because what you know and fear is ain't gonna 00:04:36.92\00:04:38.84 change your life at all, unless, that's right, 00:04:38.87\00:04:40.95 and you take the leap of faith and begin 00:04:40.98\00:04:43.40 walking by faith. You know really making 00:04:43.43\00:04:45.17 the promise of the God your own by appropriating 00:04:45.48\00:04:48.76 the promises God by faith. 00:04:48.79\00:04:50.09 It's not what we know it's what we believe, 00:04:50.12\00:04:53.68 yes and live, yes, because that's what's powerful 00:04:53.71\00:04:57.48 and no matter how good your parents maybe 00:04:57.94\00:05:01.80 that's not going to help you. Right. 00:05:02.66\00:05:04.88 So, Liana did you see him struggle after 00:05:04.91\00:05:08.23 you were married, with depression. 00:05:08.26\00:05:10.64 How did that make you feel? 00:05:10.67\00:05:12.18 Because God gave me the confidence that 00:05:14.12\00:05:17.39 he is the right one. Yes. And because of that 00:05:17.42\00:05:20.78 confidence that God gave it to me. 00:05:20.81\00:05:22.84 I think I could survive and then both of us not 00:05:22.87\00:05:26.51 only him but both of us we were having hard time 00:05:26.54\00:05:29.72 but I knew that even though God was silent 00:05:29.75\00:05:32.57 but I knew that he was with us. 00:05:33.15\00:05:35.72 And in the difficult times when you don't see 00:05:36.39\00:05:39.37 the answers you have to make a decision 00:05:39.82\00:05:42.45 I'm gonna go with God, because there is no 00:05:42.92\00:05:46.32 other way. I'm gonna go with God 00:05:46.35\00:05:48.47 and God comes through doesn't he? 00:05:49.30\00:05:51.07 Yes. How did he come through in your lives? 00:05:51.10\00:05:52.98 How did he teach you? How is he bringing you? 00:05:53.95\00:05:56.63 And it's a daily thing. Yes. You know 00:05:56.66\00:05:59.21 if you should decide, well Lord I think 00:05:59.24\00:06:01.47 I can do this on my own now, he would have 00:06:01.50\00:06:04.15 to let you try to do that and that is guaranteed 00:06:04.18\00:06:07.61 failure for any of us. Yeah. It just doesn't work. 00:06:07.64\00:06:11.39 We forget that we're puny human beings 00:06:11.90\00:06:14.78 and we don't know very much and we can do 00:06:15.61\00:06:18.09 nothing without him. So, tell us though how, 00:06:18.12\00:06:21.96 how is he has he bringing you to a 00:06:21.99\00:06:26.05 stability and strength and confidence and courage 00:06:26.08\00:06:29.28 and hope. There are lot people today who 00:06:29.31\00:06:31.97 want that. Yes, well in Matthew chapter 6, 00:06:32.00\00:06:35.55 over and over again Jesus says do not worry about 00:06:36.03\00:06:37.81 your life. And I realized that anxiety consumed 00:06:37.85\00:06:42.71 me and I said you know what of course 00:06:42.74\00:06:47.46 you know there are many factors that, 00:06:47.49\00:06:49.94 that can make an individual more anxious. 00:06:49.97\00:06:52.75 You know there are genetic factors, 00:06:52.78\00:06:54.04 environmental factors and I said. 00:06:54.07\00:06:57.54 And our own choices. Yes. And decisions 00:06:57.57\00:07:00.16 that we make inadvertently you know 00:07:00.44\00:07:04.18 unwisely but not intentionally obviously. 00:07:04.21\00:07:07.13 But regardless I believe that the peace 00:07:07.68\00:07:12.21 that God gives is available to all of us, 00:07:12.24\00:07:14.45 and quite often in the Bible you see like 00:07:15.14\00:07:18.50 when the disciples were afraid like when they 00:07:18.53\00:07:20.50 found themselves in a storm. 00:07:20.53\00:07:21.56 What Jesus says is O ye of little faith. 00:07:21.95\00:07:24.96 And, and so I said you know what if I have 00:07:25.41\00:07:28.08 faith in God then faith is the opposite of a worry, 00:07:28.11\00:07:32.50 maybe it's cause I don't have faith in God and, 00:07:33.03\00:07:35.76 and that's what led me on a journey where 00:07:35.79\00:07:37.78 I realized that I needed to grow my faith in God. 00:07:37.81\00:07:40.94 So, how do you do that Martin? 00:07:41.72\00:07:43.69 How did you do that? 00:07:43.72\00:07:44.92 How did the Lord lead you on that journey? 00:07:44.95\00:07:47.24 Well, I first began with a lot of praying 00:07:47.27\00:07:48.80 saying why God, why am I experiencing 00:07:48.83\00:07:51.61 these things in my life. If you are there 00:07:51.64\00:07:53.61 and this is what you would promised us, why? 00:07:53.64\00:07:56.04 And pretty much that's a simple prayer. 00:07:56.39\00:07:58.13 We're asking God, and when we call out to God, 00:07:58.63\00:08:02.01 God promises to answer and, and. 00:08:02.04\00:08:05.40 And the beautiful thing is you're talking 00:08:05.95\00:08:07.39 to someone who is listening. Yes. 00:08:07.42\00:08:09.02 He is there. Yes, yes. And he is going to be 00:08:09.39\00:08:12.35 faithful, so as you were crying out to him 00:08:12.38\00:08:15.40 as David does in the Psalms. He, 00:08:15.43\00:08:18.53 and I don't believe the Lord is offended. 00:08:18.56\00:08:20.64 No. Or this bothers him at all. 00:08:20.67\00:08:23.86 He knows what's going on in your life 00:08:23.89\00:08:25.83 and he wants us to be honest. Yes. So, take us 00:08:25.86\00:08:29.88 to the next step, what did he do that after that. 00:08:29.91\00:08:32.09 You know I wish I could have say, 00:08:32.12\00:08:33.31 I could say that the Lord just turned my life 00:08:33.34\00:08:35.80 around overnight but he didn't 00:08:35.83\00:08:37.37 and I can look back and I can see that it was 00:08:37.98\00:08:41.19 a long journey, but he had many things 00:08:41.22\00:08:43.23 to teach me and basically he's teaching me 00:08:43.26\00:08:49.98 to get into his word, teaching me to spend 00:08:50.53\00:08:53.44 much time in prayer and in Jeremiah 29 verse 13, 00:08:53.47\00:08:58.35 God says and you will seek me with all your heart. 00:08:58.38\00:09:00.93 When I first came to God and began this journey, 00:09:00.96\00:09:03.98 it wasn't my whole heart, 00:09:04.52\00:09:05.78 all I want it was just deliverance 00:09:05.81\00:09:07.94 from this pain. I wasn't ready to give God 00:09:08.65\00:09:11.18 my whole heart, but he want to lead me 00:09:11.21\00:09:13.29 on a journey where I would surrender 00:09:13.32\00:09:15.20 everything to him and. There is a big difference 00:09:15.23\00:09:19.43 isn't there? Yes. Because otherwise we want 00:09:19.46\00:09:22.68 things on our terms, and when you as a puny 00:09:22.71\00:09:26.43 human being want to stay in the driver's seat, 00:09:26.46\00:09:28.75 yeah, look out, yeah, because we're not 00:09:28.78\00:09:31.11 smart enough, we think we are, yes, 00:09:31.14\00:09:34.69 but we are not, yeah, and the Lord says alright 00:09:34.72\00:09:37.94 you know I'll just give you a little more time 00:09:37.97\00:09:41.29 but you've got to even if you keep hitting 00:09:41.32\00:09:43.76 the wall you've got to know that is not going 00:09:43.79\00:09:46.54 to work, yeah, without me, yeah. 00:09:46.57\00:09:49.39 So how did you, Liana how about you, 00:09:50.28\00:09:54.54 how have you been through this? 00:09:54.57\00:09:56.23 I think there is a couple, I think 00:09:57.87\00:09:59.48 we are one and the one person is sick 00:09:59.51\00:10:02.12 and then the other partner is sick too, 00:10:02.15\00:10:04.31 I mean emotionally and spiritually too, 00:10:04.34\00:10:06.54 True, true. And then both of us still went 00:10:06.57\00:10:08.66 through together and it was not easy at all, 00:10:08.69\00:10:13.30 but like my husband shared I think God allowed 00:10:13.63\00:10:17.87 all the things that one time. One time, 00:10:17.90\00:10:21.89 you know I had to say Lord, I don't want 00:10:21.92\00:10:25.19 anything else except you and he said you're peace. 00:10:25.22\00:10:28.06 You know God is, God wants to bless me upon 00:10:28.35\00:10:31.55 totally but the all he wants to, all he want 00:10:31.58\00:10:36.15 is you know I want you Liana, I want Martin 00:10:36.18\00:10:39.64 yourself and then God allow us, 00:10:39.67\00:10:42.51 both of us to go to the bottom of our life 00:10:42.54\00:10:45.46 but once we got there God said here I am. 00:10:45.49\00:10:49.92 I am going to help you one step at a time 00:10:49.95\00:10:53.32 in a time, right now even though even though 00:10:53.35\00:10:57.25 I say these things but in my heart you know 00:10:57.28\00:10:59.95 it's not easy, but both of us when we look back 00:10:59.98\00:11:03.04 our life it is the hardest time of our life 00:11:03.07\00:11:06.28 but it is the most blessing that we have 00:11:06.31\00:11:09.94 ever received from precious God. 00:11:09.97\00:11:12.62 You know there is a gospel song that 00:11:12.65\00:11:15.82 Rodney Griffin wrote and it says, 00:11:15.85\00:11:18.00 I've been to the bottom and I found at the 00:11:18.06\00:11:21.75 bottom a blessed holy rock. 00:11:21.78\00:11:25.31 The rock Christ Jesus and its just exactly 00:11:25.78\00:11:29.85 what you've been saying Liana, 00:11:29.88\00:11:31.52 that even though our life takes some 00:11:31.80\00:11:35.60 unavoidable turns and takes us places 00:11:36.08\00:11:39.78 we would not have wanted to go. 00:11:39.81\00:11:41.33 God doth never, he never leaves us for 00:11:41.80\00:11:45.38 us a moment. He is always there. 00:11:45.41\00:11:47.51 And I think you're absolutely right, 00:11:48.31\00:11:50.77 what effects one effects the other, 00:11:50.80\00:11:53.68 you go through this together because 00:11:53.71\00:11:56.68 you're partners for life and you are trusting 00:11:56.71\00:12:01.37 the Lord, but this is why the Lord gives strength 00:12:01.40\00:12:04.01 to one that will help the other. Yes. 00:12:04.04\00:12:05.99 And it's a beautiful experience, 00:12:06.02\00:12:09.19 what would you tell our viewers today? 00:12:09.44\00:12:11.57 If there is someone who is going through 00:12:13.20\00:12:15.27 a very difficult time maybe its depression, 00:12:15.48\00:12:18.81 maybe its financial problem, maybe it's a 00:12:18.96\00:12:22.33 loss of a job, our country is in turmoil today, 00:12:22.36\00:12:26.30 what would you tell them to do 00:12:26.66\00:12:29.44 for some peace in the time of storm? 00:12:29.67\00:12:33.39 I would tell them to learn to pray. 00:12:34.10\00:12:36.48 Charles Spurgeon, the great British preacher 00:12:37.30\00:12:39.96 in the late 19th century said that anything 00:12:39.99\00:12:45.75 is a blessing which makes us pray 00:12:45.78\00:12:47.75 and if it weren't for the difficulties, 00:12:48.87\00:12:50.73 the troubles in my life, I would not be the 00:12:50.76\00:12:54.52 praying person that I am today. 00:12:54.55\00:12:55.64 Now I believe that prayer is such a privilege, 00:12:56.32\00:12:59.36 it's such a blessing because prayer 00:12:59.39\00:13:02.24 is the practice that depends on God I, 00:13:02.27\00:13:04.59 I don't feel any, I can never get any closer 00:13:04.62\00:13:06.70 to God and feel more of his peace 00:13:06.73\00:13:08.62 than when I'm on my knees in prayer. 00:13:08.65\00:13:11.34 Beth Moore who wrote Praying God's Words 00:13:12.73\00:13:16.57 and other books has said the same thing, 00:13:16.60\00:13:19.15 you know she's gone through some very difficult 00:13:19.77\00:13:21.71 times in her life but she said it has given me 00:13:21.74\00:13:24.51 a hunger, a soul of hunger for God's word 00:13:24.54\00:13:28.06 and for his presence. And she said I would spend 00:13:28.09\00:13:31.42 days whole days, just in his word and prayer, 00:13:31.45\00:13:35.86 yes, and that is what brought me the hope 00:13:35.89\00:13:39.23 and the peace and the healing 00:13:39.26\00:13:40.66 and the Lord works with different people 00:13:40.69\00:13:43.51 in different ways, he doesn't call everybody 00:13:43.54\00:13:46.12 to the same path for healing, but he does say 00:13:46.15\00:13:50.50 if you know me intimately, yes, then I will make 00:13:50.93\00:13:55.57 you strong and able to do bold 00:13:55.60\00:13:57.39 and daring things, that's from Daniel 11:32. 00:13:57.42\00:14:00.62 So, what would you tell someone in the audience 00:14:01.40\00:14:04.36 who is saying I need aside from prayer, 00:14:04.39\00:14:08.38 is there something or is there a, some secret, 00:14:08.41\00:14:11.84 Liana that you would add to that? 00:14:11.87\00:14:13.53 I was not a Christian and even at a time 00:14:16.95\00:14:19.40 didn't know how to pray and I know that 00:14:19.43\00:14:21.63 there are so many people out there 00:14:21.66\00:14:23.31 who don't know about God and who don't know 00:14:23.34\00:14:26.37 how to pray but I would suggest that 00:14:26.40\00:14:29.13 God knows everything about you and whether 00:14:29.16\00:14:32.85 you say help me or I need help even 00:14:32.88\00:14:35.64 your silent God knows everything about you. 00:14:35.67\00:14:38.60 So please hang there and then God will help you. 00:14:38.63\00:14:41.90 That's right, how long have you been 00:14:42.78\00:14:44.12 a Christian? More than, I think it will be 13 years. 00:14:44.15\00:14:49.01 13 years. How did you and Martin meet? 00:14:49.44\00:14:53.16 It is another miracle, we were just friends, 00:14:54.99\00:15:00.07 I think my husband knows better. 00:15:00.10\00:15:04.86 In 95, Liana was just becoming a Christian. 00:15:05.77\00:15:09.58 Did you attend the same church? 00:15:10.10\00:15:11.65 No, no, no I was in Korea for one year. Okay. 00:15:11.68\00:15:14.22 Just studying the language and making 00:15:14.25\00:15:15.65 some money. And I met her at a 00:15:15.68\00:15:18.22 Friday evening Bible study at that time. 00:15:18.25\00:15:20.48 So, she was living in Korea at that time. 00:15:20.51\00:15:22.29 Yes, okay, yes and she was just becoming 00:15:22.32\00:15:24.84 a Christian, we were just friends, 00:15:24.87\00:15:26.54 a few months later I returned to the States 00:15:27.91\00:15:30.04 and we were apart for four years, 00:15:30.39\00:15:33.36 didn't keep in touch, but I often thought 00:15:33.61\00:15:36.29 you know if I were to marry someone in Korea 00:15:36.32\00:15:38.30 I would like to marry someone like Liana, 00:15:39.03\00:15:41.19 just because I remember that when she first 00:15:41.22\00:15:43.31 started coming to church there was this glow in her 00:15:43.69\00:15:45.53 face and it was because God was doing something 00:15:45.56\00:15:48.48 incredible in her life. It was when 00:15:48.88\00:15:50.97 she was coming to the Lord. 00:15:51.00\00:15:51.97 She was learning a lot of new 00:15:52.87\00:15:54.34 and wonderful things. Yes. Life changing. 00:15:54.37\00:15:56.68 And four years later, I had the opportunity 00:15:57.88\00:16:00.81 to stop by Korea for a little visit 00:16:00.84\00:16:02.29 and I really wanted to meet her and see how 00:16:02.32\00:16:05.06 she was doing because it's really easy to come 00:16:05.09\00:16:06.70 into the Church, but really easy to also leave 00:16:06.73\00:16:08.92 the Church, because of Sabbath issues. 00:16:08.95\00:16:11.37 Well, how did you know she wasn't married 00:16:11.40\00:16:12.37 there or something too. Well, I called her up 00:16:12.40\00:16:14.33 and I said, I said do you remember me 00:16:14.36\00:16:17.36 and the second question I asked is are you married, 00:16:17.79\00:16:20.16 because if she is married you know 00:16:20.19\00:16:21.49 there is no point in meeting her, 00:16:21.52\00:16:22.68 no point in pursuing this relationship. And, 00:16:22.71\00:16:25.63 and she did remember me and she said 00:16:25.66\00:16:27.76 she wasn't married and that day I asked her 00:16:27.79\00:16:31.22 if I go meet her. And basically she was two 00:16:31.25\00:16:33.92 hours away from my home which is in Seoul 00:16:33.95\00:16:36.24 and I took a train and made the two hour trip 00:16:36.65\00:16:40.51 that day to go see her. And prior to that 00:16:40.54\00:16:44.55 basically I had come to a point in my life 00:16:44.95\00:16:46.74 where I told God Lord, I'm gonna trust you to 00:16:46.77\00:16:49.94 find that person for me that you want me 00:16:49.97\00:16:52.59 to unite with marriage. I don't want 00:16:52.62\00:16:54.67 to make that decision, I'm gonna let you 00:16:54.70\00:16:56.35 and when I met her that day. And we spent 00:16:56.84\00:16:59.65 the whole afternoon and evening sharing, 00:16:59.68\00:17:01.35 I just felt like she might be the one but I need 00:17:02.48\00:17:05.99 a confirmation from the Lord. 00:17:06.02\00:17:07.19 How did you feel Liana, how did you feel, 00:17:07.72\00:17:10.15 were you glad to see him, did you have 00:17:10.18\00:17:12.23 a good time? How did you feel? 00:17:12.26\00:17:14.37 Really wonderful time but right after 00:17:14.40\00:17:17.34 I became a Christian at the time I was meeting 00:17:17.37\00:17:20.27 with somebody who was not a Christian 00:17:20.30\00:17:22.69 and then every time I asked the Lord. 00:17:22.72\00:17:25.40 Lord is he the right person, is he the right 00:17:25.43\00:17:28.13 person and every time I open the Bible. 00:17:28.16\00:17:30.20 God said that do not have the yoke 00:17:30.79\00:17:33.24 with unbelievers and I say okay, okay. 00:17:33.27\00:17:36.06 So, you have this other man in your life? 00:17:36.09\00:17:38.36 But he wasn't a Christian. That's right, 00:17:40.20\00:17:41.74 you know he was not a Christian and he was not 00:17:41.77\00:17:44.22 willing to you know about God, but later on after 00:17:44.25\00:17:49.20 even before I met Martin, I starting praying Lord, 00:17:49.67\00:17:52.73 I am okay even though I will not marry, 00:17:52.80\00:17:55.26 but if you want me to marry you know 00:17:55.29\00:17:57.79 you choose the right person for me 00:17:57.82\00:18:00.07 and I had a long list, the two big things 00:18:00.10\00:18:04.74 for my spouse was the first one. 00:18:04.77\00:18:07.52 I want to go to heaven together. 00:18:07.55\00:18:09.81 Oh that's good. And I want that, that person 00:18:09.84\00:18:11.97 and second thing is Lord, I want somebody 00:18:12.00\00:18:13.97 who loves you more than he loves me. 00:18:14.00\00:18:16.68 Because if he loves you then he will definitely 00:18:16.71\00:18:19.97 love me. So, I had been you know praying 00:18:20.00\00:18:23.95 for that kind of person and when I met Martin 00:18:23.98\00:18:26.32 after four years later. God gave me the 00:18:26.35\00:18:28.92 confidence that he is the right person, 00:18:28.95\00:18:30.97 but how did I know that and then what 00:18:31.00\00:18:33.09 if I like him but if he doesn't like me, 00:18:33.12\00:18:35.60 but on that day I wrote on my Bible, 00:18:36.45\00:18:39.94 thank you Lord for this person because 00:18:39.97\00:18:42.65 I know that there is somebody whom I want 00:18:42.71\00:18:45.61 to be with, and then saying that God 00:18:45.64\00:18:50.10 does answer my prayer. So, when he 00:18:50.13\00:18:52.02 and then three weeks later he called me 00:18:52.05\00:18:55.82 and he asked me to marry. Three weeks, 00:18:55.85\00:18:59.84 well but you were both really pretty settled 00:19:00.35\00:19:03.22 in your mind weren't you? God, but that's 00:19:03.25\00:19:06.32 an amazing and a beautiful story, 00:19:06.35\00:19:08.45 both of you were saying God you find 00:19:08.48\00:19:11.04 my mate for me. And the Lord just brought 00:19:11.07\00:19:14.44 this together so beautifully, 00:19:14.47\00:19:16.89 that's exciting, that's a wonderful story. 00:19:16.92\00:19:19.06 Tell us how you're doing with 00:19:20.91\00:19:22.39 anxiety now and depression? 00:19:22.42\00:19:24.61 Only those who have struggled with anxiety 00:19:27.27\00:19:29.30 know what it's like, I can find myself worrying 00:19:29.65\00:19:33.97 about the smallest things but now through 00:19:34.00\00:19:36.60 prayer as I've seen God come through 00:19:36.63\00:19:38.69 and open the doors and provide. 00:19:38.90\00:19:40.80 Now, because I've had this journey 00:19:42.60\00:19:44.45 and I've seen God come through so many times. 00:19:44.48\00:19:46.69 Now, I have less fear about the future 00:19:46.96\00:19:49.37 because I've seen how God has come through 00:19:49.40\00:19:51.05 for me over and over again. 00:19:51.08\00:19:52.31 And so now my life is, is full of more joy 00:19:52.50\00:19:58.70 and more peace. Now I find life worth living 00:19:58.73\00:20:01.30 and I find life to be an adventure just 00:20:01.33\00:20:04.03 because I'm always asking the Lord what 00:20:04.06\00:20:06.28 he has next in stored for me. 00:20:06.31\00:20:07.61 That is exciting and you know Martin, 00:20:08.36\00:20:11.11 and maybe you knew this too Liana, 00:20:11.14\00:20:12.77 but 365 times in scripture God tells us 00:20:12.80\00:20:17.58 don't be afraid. It's just like every morning 00:20:17.61\00:20:20.41 when you get up God says come 00:20:20.44\00:20:22.43 and spend sometime at my feet. 00:20:22.46\00:20:24.15 Come and let me get you ready for this day, 00:20:24.35\00:20:27.41 but the first thing I'm gonna tell you is 00:20:27.44\00:20:29.77 I love you, do not be afraid. Yeah. 00:20:29.80\00:20:33.42 He's got enough for one per every day, 00:20:33.45\00:20:35.54 don't be afraid. Yeah. The things that are 00:20:35.57\00:20:39.01 happening around us are too much for us 00:20:39.04\00:20:42.17 and he knows that, but they're not too 00:20:42.20\00:20:44.50 much for him. Yes, he can do anything. 00:20:44.53\00:20:46.96 You know another thing that I think is important 00:20:47.41\00:20:50.01 is when we pray we have to live our prayers 00:20:50.42\00:20:55.05 and by that I mean we have to live our faith. 00:20:55.08\00:20:58.46 So we have to be careful and watch our words. 00:20:58.49\00:21:02.28 For instance someone could pray for a child, 00:21:03.34\00:21:06.42 for 10 or 15 minutes or an hour, 00:21:06.73\00:21:09.23 because they're concerned about how this 00:21:09.84\00:21:11.67 little boy is doing in school then they get up 00:21:11.70\00:21:14.35 off their knees and somebody says 00:21:14.38\00:21:16.20 how is your child doing. Well, I don't know 00:21:16.23\00:21:19.92 he is just not learning as well as the other 00:21:20.18\00:21:22.55 kids are, I may have to hold him back. 00:21:22.58\00:21:24.28 Now, what kind of faith is that, you have just 00:21:24.31\00:21:27.60 talked to the Lord, right, for this long time 00:21:27.63\00:21:31.13 asking the Lord to intervene and then 00:21:31.67\00:21:34.59 you're saying, your ears are hearing your 00:21:34.62\00:21:37.51 mouth saying I don't know if God is hearing 00:21:37.54\00:21:41.14 my prayers. And I really believe that when 00:21:41.17\00:21:44.06 we start talking doubt and talking unbelief 00:21:44.09\00:21:47.50 that the Lord has to say to the angels wait, 00:21:47.62\00:21:50.51 wait, wait, he doesn't really believe. Yeah. 00:21:50.68\00:21:54.05 She is not really ready. Yes. Because 00:21:54.08\00:21:56.71 God honors faith. Yes. He honors faith. 00:21:56.74\00:21:59.75 Yeah. And this is why sometimes we have 00:21:59.78\00:22:02.47 to wait and wait and wait for an answer. 00:22:02.50\00:22:04.95 Because our faith is growing, yes, have you 00:22:04.98\00:22:07.87 found that? Yes, absolutely. 00:22:07.90\00:22:09.63 We make an effort to thank God for everything, 00:22:10.95\00:22:14.30 to praise him always, not only for the good things 00:22:14.95\00:22:18.60 but always and to talk faith. 00:22:18.63\00:22:21.03 Yes. To talk hopefully and cheerfully about 00:22:21.06\00:22:24.42 everything and, and we just see that that 00:22:24.45\00:22:29.69 honors God, that pleases him. And you know 00:22:29.72\00:22:31.86 in the little book Ministry of Healing, 00:22:31.89\00:22:33.46 we're told those very words, it says talk faith, 00:22:33.87\00:22:37.99 talk faith, and I believe that means I'm agreeing 00:22:38.78\00:22:42.54 with God. Yes. With what he says in scripture, 00:22:42.57\00:22:45.49 he says I am strong in the Lord and in the power 00:22:45.59\00:22:48.68 of his might and I want to say to the viewers, 00:22:48.71\00:22:51.85 if you know God and you're trusting him 00:22:52.07\00:22:54.47 and walking by faith in his word you can claim 00:22:54.64\00:22:57.60 that promise, you can say I am strong 00:22:57.63\00:23:00.14 in the Lord and in the power of his might. 00:23:00.17\00:23:02.44 And instead of thinking oh I don't know 00:23:02.95\00:23:05.18 if I can do this, go to his word, his word says 00:23:05.21\00:23:08.99 I can do all things through Christ 00:23:09.02\00:23:11.17 who strengthens me. Amen. So we have to declare 00:23:11.20\00:23:14.64 God's word, it's not just that we read it 00:23:14.67\00:23:17.10 and we believe it, but we have to talk faith, 00:23:17.13\00:23:20.22 we have to speak those words of faith 00:23:20.25\00:23:23.22 and trust because when we do that 00:23:23.25\00:23:25.35 we get stronger yes, in just making that 00:23:25.38\00:23:29.13 declaration that God is true and we are 00:23:29.63\00:23:33.00 following him. And I believe that the angels 00:23:33.03\00:23:36.22 and the Lord himself are happy, 00:23:36.25\00:23:37.81 when we say I choose to go with God. 00:23:38.13\00:23:41.72 I choose even though I can't see 00:23:41.75\00:23:43.95 I am gonna walk by faith. It's an interesting 00:23:44.30\00:23:48.81 and really joy filled journey to walk by faith. 00:23:48.84\00:23:52.24 Yeah, you know. Not always easy, 00:23:52.96\00:23:54.94 but it's great. The Bible is full of promises 00:23:55.67\00:23:58.50 and I realized that all these promises 00:23:58.53\00:24:02.13 are for me, they're for us. Amen. 00:24:02.28\00:24:05.01 And, and God want us to just bless us but 00:24:05.04\00:24:08.09 he needs us to assurance our faith in him. 00:24:08.12\00:24:10.24 That's right and he says in Jeremiah, 00:24:10.54\00:24:13.01 I have never asked you to call on me in vain, 00:24:13.04\00:24:15.48 I have never asked you to call on me in vain. 00:24:16.25\00:24:18.17 So, that means the same God who was 00:24:18.20\00:24:21.19 there at the Red sea is going to open the 00:24:21.22\00:24:26.11 Red sea again. It's not gonna look the same as 00:24:26.14\00:24:29.13 when he did at the first time but he is opening 00:24:29.16\00:24:32.15 and parting the waters all the time. 00:24:32.19\00:24:34.76 It's just an exciting thing to watch our God 00:24:36.50\00:24:39.87 at work. Yes. Liana, first what is the most 00:24:39.90\00:24:43.67 the easiest and hardest thing 00:24:43.70\00:24:45.84 for you in the Christian life? 00:24:45.87\00:24:47.27 The easiest thing is I think a doubt 00:24:50.11\00:24:51.97 for a human being just to doubt but. Yes, 00:24:52.00\00:24:55.10 the easiest thing is to doubt, you're right. 00:24:55.13\00:24:57.00 But I decided to refuse to do it. 00:24:57.38\00:25:00.35 That's good. And then the greater thing is, 00:25:00.65\00:25:04.88 is to you know to trust in the Lord 00:25:06.11\00:25:09.19 and just follow the word though I have a doubt 00:25:09.43\00:25:12.75 like you said talk about faith, cheerfully 00:25:13.17\00:25:16.58 and hopefully. That's good, that's good. 00:25:16.61\00:25:19.53 What about you Martin? Yeah, I think one of 00:25:20.29\00:25:27.03 the devils most successful tools to bring us down 00:25:27.06\00:25:30.69 is doubt and discouragement. 00:25:30.72\00:25:32.58 Yeah he is just always trying to 00:25:33.26\00:25:36.63 pummel us with discouraging thoughts. 00:25:36.66\00:25:39.50 There was a woman who was visited by her pastor 00:25:40.31\00:25:42.92 and she had been in a severe depression 00:25:42.95\00:25:45.16 for weeks and weeks so bad that she didn't 00:25:45.19\00:25:48.60 get up during the day she just stayed in bed. 00:25:48.63\00:25:50.85 And he and his wife went to visit her. 00:25:51.26\00:25:53.34 And he said she wanted to tell him all of the 00:25:53.74\00:25:57.93 things that were negative in her life 00:25:57.96\00:25:59.68 and he said I spend a third of my time here 00:25:59.71\00:26:02.93 on this problem and two thirds on the solution. 00:26:02.96\00:26:06.65 So, he said this is the solution I want you 00:26:07.03\00:26:10.36 every hour I want you to make a list of the 00:26:10.39\00:26:13.74 10 things that you're thankful for and then 00:26:13.77\00:26:16.22 every hour thank God out loud. 00:26:16.25\00:26:18.91 Use scripture if you can, but say this to the Lord 00:26:18.95\00:26:23.33 out loud, so that your ears hear that 00:26:23.36\00:26:26.93 you are being thankful and at first she didn't 00:26:26.96\00:26:29.92 think she would could do that, she wasn't excited 00:26:29.95\00:26:32.82 about it and she didn't even want to try. 00:26:32.85\00:26:35.06 But the longer she thought about it, 00:26:36.01\00:26:38.20 finally she said well I'll give it a try 00:26:38.23\00:26:40.00 and she did that. He went back, he and his wife 00:26:40.68\00:26:44.02 went back a couple weeks later and before 00:26:44.05\00:26:46.82 they had the, she had the blinds pulled 00:26:47.36\00:26:49.78 and you know she was just living in the dark 00:26:50.09\00:26:53.93 that was her choice, but now the blinds were up. 00:26:53.96\00:26:58.18 Amen. You can tell that there had been work done 00:26:58.21\00:27:00.35 in the yard and she had done some house work. 00:27:00.38\00:27:04.05 She was dressed and she obviously had showered 00:27:04.08\00:27:07.62 and washed her hair and she was in a house dress 00:27:07.65\00:27:10.88 and you know her life has changed 00:27:10.91\00:27:13.74 and she hadn't done anything except to stop 00:27:13.77\00:27:17.01 and declare God's word, speak words of gratitude 00:27:17.04\00:27:23.17 and faith. So, it really does work, doesn't it? 00:27:23.20\00:27:27.82 Yes. And God is good, he is faithful. 00:27:27.85\00:27:30.13 There is one place that we can always go for help 00:27:30.16\00:27:33.49 and hope and for stronger faith. 00:27:33.52\00:27:36.81 Yes. And that is to God's word. Our time 00:27:36.84\00:27:40.37 goes quickly and I want to thank you both 00:27:40.40\00:27:43.04 for being here with us today and sharing 00:27:43.07\00:27:45.13 from your hearts. I really believe that 00:27:45.16\00:27:47.64 this is so helpful and I hope that you have 00:27:47.67\00:27:50.93 been blessed as I have. And when you come to dark 00:27:50.96\00:27:53.93 days remember God's word and declare words 00:27:53.96\00:27:58.01 of faith and hope. So, we've enjoyed having 00:27:58.04\00:28:01.35 you with us. We hope that you will be, 00:28:01.38\00:28:03.43 you have been blessed and we'll see you again 00:28:03.46\00:28:06.53 next time on Issues and Answers, 00:28:06.69\00:28:09.36 until then God bless you. 00:28:09.39\00:28:11.25