Participants: Shelley Quinn (Host), Jennifer Jill Schwirzer
Series Code: IAA
Program Code: IAA000384
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00:01 I guess it wouldn't surprise, if I told you that there is
00:03 consequences to every action that we make and 00:06 today on Issues & Answers we are going to 00:09 be talking about the consequences that 00:12 womankind have suffered because of the original sin 00:16 of Eve, but we're also gonna talk about how those 00:20 consequences returned into a blessing in 00:23 Jesus Christ. Please join us. 00:50 Hi, I'm Shelley Quinn we are so glad that you're 00:52 joining us today on Issues & Answers. 00:55 We are gonna be talking about how Jesus turns 00:58 the curse into a blessing. And you know, that 01:00 reminds me of the scripture from Isaiah 01:02 chapter 61. I'm actually gonna begin in verse 2. 01:06 He says, he is talking about how the spirit of 01:08 the Lord was upon him. And he says, to proclaim 01:11 the acceptable year of the LORD and the day of 01:15 vengeance to comfort all who mourn to console 01:19 those who mourn and sign to give them beauty 01:22 for ashes. The oil of joy for mourning, the 01:25 garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness that 01:28 they maybe called Trees of Righteousness. 01:32 The planting of the LORD and that they made by glorified. 01:37 Isn't that a beautiful promise from God's word. 01:40 Well, please help us, welcome today our very 01:43 special guest. She has a master in Human Services. 01:46 She is also a national certified counselor. 01:49 The Christian counselor Jennifer Jill Schwirzer. 01:52 Good to be here. Jennifer, we're always 01:55 pleased to have you and tell us a little bit for those 01:58 you've been on 3ABN quite often, but many 02:00 people don't know who you are. So, tell us little 02:02 bit about your ministry. Okay, I have a teaching, 02:07 writing, music actually and counseling ministry. 02:12 Okay, and you went back to school 02:13 recently you kind of did a Raise a couple of kids. 02:16 A carrier change didn't you. Did lot of the traveling 02:19 and speaking type stuff, while my kids were 02:21 growing up and then once they were launched then 02:23 I needed a full-time job. So, I went back to school 02:26 and got Masters in Mental Health Counseling. 02:28 Okay, and now you that is, what's your practice is? 02:31 Is you are working with people, but you're a 02:33 Christian counselor, which means what? 02:35 It means that God comes into the therapy process 02:38 and that you know, when, when man fell into sin. 02:41 He created a God size problem. And, so I don't 02:44 pretend that I can help people fix their problems 02:47 or that I can fix their problems for them. 02:49 Because their problems are bigger then any of us. 02:51 Can, can manage, but God in the process can, 02:54 can provide what they need. You know, I know that 02:57 you and I've discussed before my husband was 02:59 working on his doctorate in psychology, when he quit 03:02 school and he took years to get that programming out of 03:06 his brain basically. Now, what he uses a scripture 03:10 to counsel with and I believe that's what you 03:13 do a lot too, isn't it? A lot of scripture, yeah 03:14 lot of Biblically based counseling. Amen. 03:17 Because that's where the, the truth is. 03:18 I mean there is some really good stuff in the 03:20 field of psychology, it's not all you know, 03:23 nonsense. There's some really good thinking that's gone 03:25 on some good research, but you know there is a quotation 03:29 that I think is inspired it says, man, man's word if 03:32 of any value echo the words of God. Amen. 03:35 And, so sometime science even the social sciences 03:38 echo the words of God, but why not go direct the source? 03:40 Amen, I like that. Yeah. Well, today, we're gonna 03:43 be talking about the consequences of visiting 03:47 the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and you 03:52 know I always tell people that the fruits on that tree 03:55 there were two different fruits. One that say, this's 03:57 good, this is evil. But, it was the idea of man 04:02 trying to decide when God told him don't touch 04:05 this tree; don't eat of that tree in the garden that 04:09 essentially God didn't want them to try to figure 04:12 out, what was good for them or what was bad for them? 04:14 Because that's God's job. And so this was kind 04:18 of a test of their loyalty to him. That's right. 04:20 And, when Eve succumbed to the temptations put 04:25 before her by the devil. The Lord did something, 04:28 let's talk about that. Let's read it first 04:31 okay, Genesis chapter 3 and starting in verse. 04:35 Well, it's verse 16. "To the woman he said, 04:37 I will greatly multiply your pain in childbirth 04:40 and pain you shall bring forth children, yet 04:42 your desire shall be for your husband and he 04:45 will rule over you." So, there is three parts to that 04:51 proclamation that God made. One is that, she 04:53 would have pain in childbearing. 04:55 The second is that, her desire would be for her 04:59 husband. And the third is that he would rule over her. 05:03 What I have done in the study that we're gonna be 05:05 talking about now, is I have shown how that has 05:08 come to pass globally for women that they have 05:12 all kinds of pain in, in childbearing. And in the, 05:15 not just the physical process of childbearing, 05:18 but the whole process of caring for people, raising 05:20 children women are more often caretakers, the 05:23 whole process have been kind of the caretakers, 05:25 women suffer much within those context. 05:29 And then the desire that women have for her 05:32 husbands approval in the garden of Eden, but that 05:34 can be expanded to include you know, the 05:37 general impulse that women have in the drive 05:40 that women have to acquire male approval, 05:43 and I have seen this over-and-over again in 05:45 myself and in another women and then the third 05:48 part of that is that he would rule over her. 05:51 So, that's a talking about male dominance. 05:53 So, there are those three aspects to this 05:56 consequence that was pronounced upon women 05:57 and I just want to show statistically, how that's 06:00 come to pass, but I wanna ask people to stay with 06:03 this program until the end because it will be 06:05 very discouraging for a period of time, it look 06:08 very dark, at the end we will see what God's 06:10 intensions were that ultimately he did want to 06:14 turn this curse into a blessing. 06:16 Yeah, and he wasn't let's call it the consequence 06:18 more than a curse because we know that. 06:19 He didn't directly curse. He curse the serpent, 06:21 he curse the ground. Right. But to man and women 06:24 he just said this with the consequences. 06:26 And I believe I'm kind of reading ahead here, 06:29 you tell if I'm wrong. Okay. But some of the statistics 06:32 that you're going to be sharing with us. Right. 06:35 Are directly related, but I don't think there were 06:38 God's intensions so much as the devil took 06:41 advantage or man took advantage. Amen. 06:43 Of that situation, is that correct? 06:45 Can I read, read something right on that point? 06:47 Yes. Okay, this is from Ellen White and I believe, 06:50 it was, it's an inspired statement. 06:53 Had the principles in joined in the love God 06:55 had been cherished by the fallen race. 06:56 This sentences speaking of what I just read. 07:00 The growing out of the results of sin would have 07:02 proved a blessing to them, but man's abuse of 07:06 the supremacy does given him has too often render 07:10 the lot of women very bitter and made her life a burden. 07:13 Amen. So, there was this consequence of sin that 07:18 came, God would have turned it into a blessing, 07:21 but instead because of man's abuse of the supremacy. 07:26 Right. Women's slot has been made very bitter, 07:28 So, yes God has good intension toward us. 07:32 He wasn't, he wasn't saying this is how I want things 07:35 to be for you. He was saying this is a consequence of 07:38 what you did, but God always turns these things 07:41 into a blessing in Christ. Amen. Amen. 07:45 Let's talk about the pain in childbearing. 07:46 And again I want to expand it to 07:48 include not just women actually giving birth to a 07:51 child, which is very painful. I have two children with 07:54 no anesthesia and I can tell you, it is painful, 07:56 but it's not just that it's the whole process of 07:59 nurturing people and being you know, being a 08:01 mother to various people, which we find ourselves 08:04 in that role very often. But, let's talk about, but 08:07 both really. The birth rate, the global birth rate 134 08:11 million babies a year child deaths 10.6 million 08:15 a year, that's a lot of deaths. It is. 08:18 Pregnancy and childbirth deaths of the women 08:20 1 million a year. Postpartum depression 10 to 40 million 08:25 women a year, a roughly one women dies every 08:28 minute as a result of pregnancy complications 08:30 and childbirth. Of course the majority of these are, 08:33 it's amazing, in developing countries so thank God 08:35 because of medical science we're able to 08:38 make the childbirth process much safer. 08:42 But, what about the single mothers, a lot of women 08:44 bearing the burden of raising children on their 08:47 own 10 million in the US, 82.5 millions mothers of 08:52 all kinds and up from 3 million in 1970. 08:55 So, there is an increasing number of single mothers 08:57 women. Caring the responsibilities of both 09:01 father and mother on their own this is put a lot 09:04 of pressure on women. Amen. It's very difficult. 09:07 Yes. So, there is a pain in childbearing and, and, 09:09 I would expand that to include all of the things 09:12 women do by way of caretaking. When the 09:14 parent's age start to break down, who is the one 09:17 that ends up dealing with the, with the aging parent 09:20 with dementia, that ends up helping through that 09:22 process, that ends up being their for those 09:24 parents most often it's the women. So, this is one of 09:27 the things that came as a result of sin. 09:30 So, women in their caregiver roles have 09:33 bared, born a lot of the burden and the lot of 09:36 suffering has come because of that. 09:38 That's right, that's right. So, what about the idea 09:39 of the women's desire for her husband? 09:42 Yeah, that's the one that's really intriguing to me. 09:44 What is that mean that you, you'll have this 09:46 longing desire and that that word isn't used very 09:49 often in scripture in it. It really means this intense 09:52 you know, this craving toward the man that the 09:56 women would have. So, I was thinking about that 09:59 and, and I did little research on women. 10:01 You know, women's brains have half the 10:03 serotonin that men's, that men's brains have. 10:05 Really. They are more prone to depression and anxiety 10:08 disorders related to that. So, that's one thing more 10:13 prone to what we call the neurotic disorders, but 10:16 I think partly as a result of that and just because of 10:19 sort of the innate qualities of being female. 10:23 Women are more prone to codependency. 10:25 I don't know, if you've heard that term, it's a term that 10:28 thrown around a lot. Let me, let me read a 10:30 definition of codependency that I 10:31 think is an excellent one. Codependent relationship 10:34 is a relationship in which one person loses their 10:37 individuality to another. Codependent people 10:41 frequently engage an enabling behaviors. 10:44 An enabling behaviors are doing for someone 10:47 things they could and should do for themselves. 10:50 So, women often find themselves in 10:52 Relationships, where they are losing their 10:54 individuality to another person and very often it's 10:58 to a man and I think it's because of this longing 11:01 desire for bail approval. And, and I you know, 11:05 I've seen it over-and-over again. 11:07 Clinically, I have seen it in friends; 11:09 I've seen it in people that women will do really self 11:13 destructive and sometimes just stupid 11:15 things out of desire to get the approval of the man 11:19 in their life. This is an entirely bad thing, but it, 11:22 but it goes really bad in the context of a 11:25 relationship that is not Christ Centered, so. 11:28 Yes, because if it is a Christ Centered 11:31 relationship being submissive to a man is easy 11:37 because if the husband is a truly loving the wife as 11:41 Christ love the church. Yeah. Doesn't mean that 11:44 he is ruling over her so much as his guiding 11:48 in a woman can, servant leadership 11:49 it's a servant leadership. That's right, that's right. 11:51 But, then when the man is not in that situation and a 11:55 women is, is acquiescing to his every desire. 12:00 I have seen a lot of women who totally 12:03 lost their individuality. Yeah, yes. You know, 12:05 I have done a lot thinking about this and I, I have 12:08 asked myself, why is it that women crave this 12:12 approval for men? Why, why what is kind of 12:14 under opining that whole phenomenon. Now, really 12:17 sure, I understand it fully, but I know that from 12:20 research that there is this thing called the Male 12:22 Preference Phenomenon. We tend a few man is 12:26 more competent than women, even when it's 12:28 not so. Research was done with 360 college 12:32 students, a 180 male and 180 female. So, an equal 12:35 mix of male and female, they were given an 12:38 academic article and it was the same article that 12:41 each person was given, but they were signed by 12:43 either a male name, a female name or initials. 12:47 So, the people that got the essay looked at and read 12:50 the article and saw that either a man had written 12:53 it or a women had written it or they didn't know, 12:55 who it which had written it. And what was found 12:58 was that the article written by a male was 13:00 evaluated more favorable then if 13:03 the author was not male. So, there is just tendency 13:06 we have to think that man have it more together, 13:09 it's just, it's just, just human nature. 13:12 And, I think that's part of this whole mix and 13:14 I think that that's part of what's fueled, the next step 13:17 in the series of consequences of sin 13:19 and that's male dominance. So, if we could talk about 13:22 that phenomenon. Please. Women are at an educational 13:25 disadvantage globally, Women are socially and 13:27 politically weaker obvious. Women are the primary 13:31 victims of the sex trade. Women are the primary 13:34 victims of domestic abuse. Women are the primary 13:37 victims of rape. Women are the primary victims of 13:39 sexual abuse just on the domestic abuse point. 13:42 Women are victims of domestic abuse in, in home 13:47 you know, where there is a man and women 95 13:49 percent of the time there is abuse, it's perpetuated 13:51 by the male upon the female. This poses a whole a 13:54 series of questions, when there is two males in a 13:57 relationship we have lot of domestic abuse in Gay 14:00 Male Marriages, but that's just on the side. 14:03 Women on domestic abuse between one 14:06 quarter and one half of women have been abused. 14:10 Worldwide 40 to 70 percent of female 14:13 motive victim are killed by an intermit partner. 14:16 And this is true across all social economic religious 14:19 and cultural groups. Now, this is an amazing little 14:23 piece of information here, get ready for this. 14:25 This was in from 1980. In 1980, half of the world's 14:29 population roughly have the women of the world. 14:33 Did two thirds of the world work made one 14:36 tenth of the world's income and on one, one 14:40 hundredth of the world's property. So, has not this 14:46 proclamation that God made in 14:48 Genesis 3 come true in the lives of women and 14:51 you know, I'm not a affirming at the mouth 14:52 feminist you know, I don't have agenda, 14:54 I'm not a man hater, I'm just looking at the 14:57 facts. God's said this what happen and it's happening. 15:00 But, what I want to say about that is, it was not 15:04 what he meant to happen. Amen. Amen, you get what I'm. 15:07 I know that, yeah absolutely. Yes, there is a danger of 15:10 looking at this thing as if God wanted women to 15:14 suffer in this manner and it is most certainly not the 15:17 case and that's why, I ask people to stay with the 15:19 program until the end. I want to this, and I want 15:22 to say at loud and clear that God turns the 15:24 curse into a blessing or, exactly. 15:26 The consequences of sin into a blessing, 15:28 everything reverses in Christ. This is a Biblical 15:30 principle, I called it the much more principle, 15:33 if sin abounded grace did much more abound. 15:37 We can see this principle in several things 15:40 throughout the redemption story. 15:41 One is the cross itself. The very worse thing that 15:44 could ever happen, humanity crucifying their 15:47 creator and redeemer. The very worse thing that 15:49 could happen. God made it into the best thing 15:52 that ever happen. Exactly. The Cross the greatest 15:54 manifestation of God's love that the universe is 15:56 ever seen. So, God take the curse transit into a 15:59 blessing. We can see in the fact that this, this 16:02 planet the one benighted planet in the universe, the 16:05 one planet that descendent into sin. 16:07 Is going to become you know, the center of the 16:09 universe in the sense that, that the unfallen beings 16:12 were look here to get and gain and greater 16:14 understanding of God's character. So, we have 16:16 see that much more principle. God is constantly in the 16:20 process of redeeming our failures, redeeming the 16:24 fall out of sin and, and turning the 16:26 curses into blessing. And, it's just really 16:28 exciting to me that, that he is that way and so, 16:31 what I have see in, in, in you know, this principle 16:34 in this context is that God never designed for 16:37 women to suffer like this. And I read a quotation to 16:40 that affect. A moment ago, but let me read 16:43 another one, if I could. Please. This is about the 16:46 whole concept of male dominance. Some people 16:48 look at this curse in Genesis and they say 16:51 well, you know, I'm gonna dominate my wife. 16:53 Listen to this, it's very interesting. Man must be 16:57 under the rule of Christ that he may represent the 16:59 relation of Christ to the church. If he is course, 17:03 rough, boisterous, echo deistical harsh, and 17:06 overbearing man, let him never utter the words 17:10 that the husband is the head of the wife. 17:12 Oh! It's good. And then she must submit 17:14 to him in everything for he is not the Lord, 17:17 he is not the husband in the true 17:19 significance of the term. Amen. 17:22 Is it not a draw, dropper? That's a great one 17:24 But, getting back to this much more principle. 17:26 It, it was God's design that this, this terrible 17:30 incident of the fall into sin in Eden. 17:33 Would be transformed by his transforming grace 17:37 into something really beautiful and so God 17:39 wants women within, he doesn't take the 17:42 consequences of sin away, but he redeems the 17:44 consequences of sin. So, in the consequences of 17:48 a Godly marriage for instance with a servant 17:50 leader for a husband and women can have, have a 17:53 totally different experience then this you know, male 17:56 domination that I was describing a minute to go. 17:58 You know, this is when you see around the world 18:01 people, who were Christianity is a sin that 18:04 women's plaque has been better. And even, but even 18:09 within the church there are some who have taken 18:12 Ephesians chapter 5. In particularly verse 22, 18:16 where it says, wife had submit to your own 18:18 husbands. Some men have take that as I will 18:22 dominate you know, and they forget that in verse 21. 18:26 It says, submitting to one another in the fear of God. 18:29 But, as Paul goes on and he is talking about 18:33 husbands you should love your wife like you do 18:37 your own body. And husbands are to love their 18:39 wife's like Christ loves the church. 18:42 When you think about that Christ was ready to 18:45 die for the church. And it is all about the servant 18:48 leadership and then the idea of submission is 18:52 more the way I explain it anyways. 18:54 It's a response to sacrifice. It is, in the way I explain 18:57 is you know, anytime if, if a creature has two heads 19:03 we would agree that is some kind of a monster 19:05 belongs in a circus. Umm! Umm! 19:07 So, in a marriage God knew, that you could 19:09 have this marriage unit with two heads. 19:13 And he gave the husband this authority, but he also 19:16 gave as head of the household but he also gave him 19:20 so much accountability to God. And then if the 19:25 husband though is lined up underneath God as the 19:29 head, the wife is the neck that turns the head you know. 19:33 That's interesting. That's how I look at it is 19:35 that she influences the husband in turning the 19:38 head, but I often will tell people J.D. 19:43 is very easy. It our, it's very easy for me to be 19:47 submissive to him. Because he loves me in 19:51 such a way he has my best interested at heart. 19:55 He is not trying to control me to say, were you can't 19:58 do this or you could do this. He wants me to 20:01 become all that I can't be it's that 20:04 much more principle. You know, when you're 20:06 talking about that I was thinking how Jesus said 20:09 in John 10:10; that the thief comes only to steal 20:13 to kill and destroy, but I have come that they 20:15 might have life and have it more abundantly. 20:18 I would like to speak to women, who might be 20:21 single or not married and so, how did they see, 20:23 how God can turn the curse into a blessing and 20:25 that the context of their lives. And I, I think of 20:29 being involved in the church, okay for instance 20:31 or, or being involve in society. A lot of times 20:33 women are marginalized or they are not in the 20:36 circle of privilege sort of speak. They might 20:38 experience has been left out because of you know, 20:41 male dominance and this type of thing. 20:44 And that might even happen in the church, but 20:46 you know, the thing is that God can use women 20:48 outside of orthodox channels. For instance 20:52 Mary Magdalene you know, she was constantly put down 20:56 from what I can gather from scripture by the 20:58 disciples because she was a women, because of her 21:01 past and for whatever reason and yet Jesus was 21:04 able to use her more than use any other disciple and 21:07 issued a compliment to her beyond any 21:09 complement that he gave any disciple. 21:11 And in other words God used her even though she 21:14 didn't get the recognition maybe that a man would 21:17 have gotten. And, so I see God doing this type 21:20 of thing you know, he doesn't necessarily 21:22 change our circumstances many women are in 21:24 situations were they are dominated unfairly, but 21:27 God can even you know, turns, turn things around 21:31 within the context of that circumstance. 21:33 Amen. But, I should say that we should try for 21:36 something better and I think that's you made that 21:38 point a minute ago that in our culture here in the 21:41 U.S for instance. Women are on the whole treated 21:44 more fairly than in other parts of the world. 21:46 I think the only thing that can explain that is the 21:49 influence of the gospel. Now, the church is in 21:52 always correct in his position on things, but 21:55 where, wherever the gospel is, wherever the 21:57 spirit of God is then women and children and 22:00 any, any kind of vulnerable individual 22:02 would be treated better. And, so that explains why 22:05 women have more rights in a gospel influenced society. 22:08 I agree one hundred percent. Yeah, yeah. 22:10 Now, when you, have you dealt with any of your 22:13 clients, who were perhaps in an abusive relationship 22:20 either verbally abusive or just where a husband was 22:24 very domineering and controlling. 22:26 Oh! Absolutely, but I should, it's so this is 22:29 claimer that are, I think I probably have as many 22:33 marriage situations where the women is the abusive one. 22:37 Usually not physically abusive or, or in 22:41 my practice never I heard I known a physically 22:43 abusive wife, but verbally and emotionally abusive. 22:46 It, it does happen. So, it doesn't only go one way, 22:50 but women more often as I read a moment to go 22:52 find themselves in those abusive situations, so. 22:55 And, how do you counsel someone because. Yeah. 22:57 I know, that there are probably people who are 22:59 watching right now. Who are in this situation and 23:03 they feel that and, and we just want to understand, 23:06 God didn't pronounce the curse on the women, he 23:08 just said these are the consequences of your sin, 23:11 but he did intend it to be a blessing that a women 23:16 would be protected by a husband. 23:18 And unfortunately the abuses of men, mankind. 23:23 It has, it has turned up otherwise. So, how would 23:26 you encourage someone maybe who today is 23:30 suffering under that kind of a domineering situation. 23:34 Okay, very, very good question. 23:37 I would just encourage women to care for themselves 23:40 you know, you can't prove self, selfishness 23:45 from the Bible that, that selfishness was a good 23:47 thing you can't prove that, pride is the good thing 23:50 but you can prove that self care is an appropriate 23:52 and a good thing. As adults, no one else is 23:55 gonna take care of us, if we don't take care of 23:57 ourselves. So, it's, it is a difficult question to 24:00 answer because some women can survive apart 24:02 from you know, their marriage that the maybe 24:05 financially, maybe they have many children and 24:07 this really not gonna work for them to live or maybe 24:10 things would have to get a lot of worse for them to 24:11 live there lot of questions that have to answer. 24:13 So, each individual situation is different, 24:16 but I would say that if a women is in an abusive 24:19 relationship, and she has to aware with all to be 24:22 outside of that relationship that she should definitely 24:25 physically separate from a physically abusive man 24:29 and then emotionally separate from an emotionally 24:31 abusive man and the same thing is true of a husband 24:35 who is being emotionally abuse by his wife. 24:37 Most often women don't physically abuse their 24:39 husbands, but it does happen. But, if there is an abuse, 24:42 there should be separation that is just, 24:44 it is the best thing to do for the individual that is 24:48 doing the abusing. What is often confused in 24:51 minds of people in abusive situation? 24:53 As they thing it's true Christianity to submit to 24:55 that abuse. And, they look at the cross of Jesus as 24:58 evidenced for that for instance, but what they 25:01 don't remember is that Jesus try to escape his, 25:04 his perpetrators and he did successfully. 25:07 Escape them couple of times, when they try to 25:09 stone him and then once they try to thrown over 25:11 cliff and he escaped. It wasn't until the cross that 25:14 he allow that abuse, but it was in the context of him, 25:16 laying down his life for the salvation of humanity. 25:19 So, he was accomplishing a greater good. 25:22 What women in abusive situations are doing much 25:25 of the time is, is not accomplishing good at all, 25:27 but they were rather enabling their husbands, 25:29 they need to issue a warning call to that 25:32 individual. It would be in his best interest for them 25:35 to separate from him to give him that warning call. 25:38 So, so if they are going to be truly unselfish thing, 25:41 they need to given unmistakable message to 25:43 that person, who is doing the abusing and separate 25:45 themselves from. To let the person know, 25:47 that this is an unacceptable behavior. 25:48 That's right. And then of course she 25:50 would recommend getting counsel. 25:52 Amen. Amen, because. Yeah. You know, you can't 25:56 expect, I had of relative who is married to a very 26:01 abusive person. Yeah. Who would put her in the 26:04 hospital a number of times and each time 26:07 promised, it would never happen again. 26:09 And I really saw her suffer the battered woman 26:12 syndrome. I didn't believe in it, 26:14 actually tell I saw her and knew her so well. 26:17 So, well we are almost out of time Jennifer. 26:21 It's just amazing. I want to thank you for being here 26:24 with us again today. And for bringing these, 26:26 this matter to our attention, but I also want 26:30 to just to encourage you to remember that when 26:35 God said this is the way it was gonna be. 26:38 He also said that his son came for the purpose of 26:43 doing away with sin. And he does want to turn our 26:47 curses into blessings. He wants to turn, into 26:51 laughing; he wants to turn your ashes to the oil of joy. 26:56 And if you think about the abundant life that God 27:00 has to offer and if you look to him for all of the 27:04 answers. He will give you the way out, 27:09 That's his promise to you. Amen. 27:11 So, Jennifer thank you, so much again for coming. 27:14 And I hope you will comeback and see us again. 27:17 Yeah. You know, I just have to add one last thought. 27:19 Sure. I was thinking about how God, when the 27:24 suffering and when you're talking, but how the 27:25 suffering turns to joy. When a woman who goes 27:29 through all these pain birth or pain at child 27:33 birth, when they put that little baby in her arms. 27:36 That I went through twice. And that is when. 27:39 These all worthy, turn into joy. 27:41 Amen. And then they don't even, I mean they 27:43 don't really worry about having another baby later 27:45 on because they know the joy of the Lord. 27:47 Amen. Amen, for all of you at home, we pray that 27:52 you're in a healthy relationship and it all 27:54 begins with having a healthy relationship and 27:57 intimate relationship with a Lord Jesus Christ. 28:00 Now, may the grace of our Lord Jesus, the love 28:03 of the father and the fellowship of the 28:05 Holy Spirit be with you today and always. |
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