Hi, are you like me,
you know, you want exercise
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more. May be eat
healthier and spend more
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time in the word of
God, but you just can't
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seem to get motivated.
Well join us today for
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Issues & Answer,
because today. We're gonna be
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talking about, how to get
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that proper motivation going.
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Hi, I'm Shelly Quinn and
we're so glad that you're
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joining us today
for Issues & Answers.
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We're gonna be talking
about getting motivated
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and I'm like to share
one of my favorite scriptures
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with you, because
somehow I think this surprise
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in Ephesians 2:10
Paul write and says,
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for we that you and
me are His workmanship,
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God's handy work. His
work of art, created in
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Christ Jesus for Good
works, which God prepared
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before hand that we
should walk in them,
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and you know, we all
know that they are certain
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good works and good
things, that we're be
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doing and sometimes
we sit around and say.
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I just don't feel
motivated, but today
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we've a very special
guest. She's going to
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tell us, how to over
come this and her name is
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Jennifer Jill Schwirzer.
Jennifer, we're so glad
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that you're here
and I know that you've a
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Masters in Human
Services and you're a certified
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Christian counselor. Aren't you?
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Umm! Umm! And we're so glad that
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you've come today
to talk us about that.
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Great to be here,
I'm really excited.
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I wanna ask you a little bit
about your ministry, tell us.
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Tell us about
yourself. Okay, well I started
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out doing a lot
of, I mean musician,
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I did lot's of
singing then I got into
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writing and presenting
seminars do that for many
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years and then
finally, that's a second half in
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my life career decided
to get into counseling.
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So, I went back to
graduate school got them
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answers and
counseling and I've a counseling
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practice on top of
all that other stuff.
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That's wonderful
do, why did you choose
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getting motivated.
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Well, I've see that
it's a common clinical
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presentation a lot of
people come to counseling
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and need to get
motivated. They just
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can't seem to get
themselves, you know,
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off their chair
and into action so.
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It's a common presentation.
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Do you have a
definition for motivation?
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Well, we're gonna get into that.
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Okay. But, I wanted to say
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that. You know, I see
a lot of people coming in
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and usually it has
to with things like,
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needing to change their
diet. They no, they need
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to eat healthier or
they no need to exercise.
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Often time's people
have a difficult time getting
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motivated to clean
their house. Sometimes it's
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religious devotions;
people want to be close
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being God. They
wanna have a spiritual
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experience, but
they can't seem to get
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themselves to self
discipline enough to get
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up early in the morning
and spend that hour with
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God and so these
kinds of things are very
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common motivation
issues and so, we really had
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to kind of sort
through. You know, what's going
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on their in minds and
try to find something that
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works for them
so. I thought that,
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we could talk about it.
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I think it's wonderful. Yeah.
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Because I know, I
can identify with that.
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There are times that,
you go through a time in
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your life where
you're exercising regularly.
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You feel really
wonderful what you are.
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Umm! And then something
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breaks the rhythm
that you've going.
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Yeah. And it's so hard to
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get going again, even
.though you start feeling
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poorly. That's right.
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And you think well, I
know if just getup and
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exercise. Umm! Umm!
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I feel better, but it
is interesting how we can
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sometimes not
have the discipline.
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We need to getup and get going.
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You've it one period
and then you fall away and
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then you need to
get backup and going.
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But you just
can't seem to get there.
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Amen. But the reality is it
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everybody is
motivated, whether people think
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they're motivated or not
everybody is motivated to
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do something and what
we say in psychology is
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all behaviors operative.
There is something we are
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trying to achieve in all
behavior, either avoiding
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something that we don't
like or getting something.
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We do like all
behavior is really pretty much
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motivational so.
People that say, they're not
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motivated really are
motivated, but they're
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motivated to do things
like eat lot of junk food
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or sit in front of
the TV and watch TV or
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you know avoid something
unpleasant or difficult.
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I don't like
working out a conflict in
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relationship, they're really
motivate to avoid that you know.
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So, you know, I
used the terminology,
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that motivation
means it's a motive for
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actions. That's right.
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And basically, at this
point, if I don't wanted
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to get out and
exercise or say I'm not
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motivated to
exercise, that's true, my motive
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for the action of
staying in my chair,
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if you will, that's
right, is because I am willing
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avoid the strain of
the work, that's right,
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maybe just sweating,
that's right, and sore
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muscles. That's right, so you're
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motivated to do something.
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You're motivated
to avoid exercising.
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Okay. So, motivation is
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always a work.
The way we say it in
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Psychobabble is all
behaviors operative.
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There is something we're
trying to get out of that
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behavior, either
avoiding something or achieving
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something or getting something.
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Okay. All behaviors operative!
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Well, let's talk about
some of the psychobabble
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theories is if you
will. Okay, I hope,
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I can use that term
loosely, some people that
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I speak English and I'm
fluent in psychobabble so.
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Okay.
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One of the most popular
and well known theories,
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they talked about
motivation was Abraham
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Maslow, and so let
me just give a little
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background on him and
then we'll discuss his
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theory. He said,
the basic premise that
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he worked from was
that all behavior was
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need based, people
were motivated to be fill
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certain needs and the
add what he called the
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hierarchy of needs, started with
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physiological needs
like food and then he went to
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safety. We need to
be sheltered from the
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elements and then it
was belonging. He said need
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to be part of a society
or group or family and then,
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then it was a steam and
need to fill valuable and
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the finally self
actualization, which was
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sort of realizing
your own potential.
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Okay, so that was the
hierarchy of needs and
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what he said was
that, if we don't have the
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basic needs to fill. We
won't be able move on to
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the next tear of the
hierarchy sort of speaks,
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so the thinking was
that you've to meet those
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basic needs and then
the person will naturally
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progressed to the
next need in the hierarchy.
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I would prompt with
that, because what I see in
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my clients and people
and my self, is that once
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get those basic needs
met. Once we're fat and
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safe and warm, we
tend not to get the things
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that we needs,
such as belongingness.
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Many people are
too lazy or avoidant,
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to work on developing
healthy relationships.
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Self
actualization, you know people
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fulfilling their
potential. You know,
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how many they're,
that never to fulfill
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their potential
simply because they're rather
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sit in front of the
TV and avoid having to
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actually discipline
themselves to you know
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go get a master's
degree or do whatever they need
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do to feel their
potential. So, many
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people really need
things, but don't get
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those things.
Because they're not really
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motivated by what they
need, so much as by what
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they want. You know,
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for some reason, I
trying to remember what it is,
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I know it's in Isaiah,
there was a scripture in
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Isaiah that just talks
about, how the Lord is,
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like the eagle stirs the nest,
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The nest, and
stirs up her young.
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And basically, what
the eagle does is go and
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there is a huge
nest that they build and
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they're so wonderfully
comfortable, but they
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start taking out all
of the feathers, and the
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cushion things,
that's right, just leave
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the sticks, to motivate,
to motivate the babies to
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get out of the nest,
to get out of the nest
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and fly, that's
right, but what you're saying
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is that sometimes when
people's basic needs if
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they are, if they got
sheltered, yeah they are
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comfortable,
they're in comfortable
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place and their
bellies are full.
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That's right.
But sometimes people
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just sit back they
need the Lord to stir the
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nest, to give them some
discomfort in their life,
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to get them of dead
sinner, if you will.
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That's right, that's
right and often that discomfort
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comes in the form of
problems that develop.
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Because they're spending
all their time sitting in
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front of the TV
instead of attending to what
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they're really do need.
So those needs will kind
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of cry out to them,
if they're not met over
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a long period of
time. But you know,
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it's amazing how
avoidant people can be even in
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the face of you know,
things are going majorly
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wrong in their life.
They can still manage
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to avoid doing
anything about it.
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Yeah. So to me, you know
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there is a lot of
that I like about Maslow's
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Theory, but I think
it breaks down and really
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one of the reason it
breaks down, it's because
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humanist decades based
on the believe that people
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are motivated by the
goodness within them and
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they will always to
fulfill though, always involve
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into higher level of
being and of course we
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know from the Bible
that humanity is devolving
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rather then
evolving, yes Amen, that we're
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innately wicked
rather than innately good.
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So, we don't rest on
that humanistic premise.
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But, another really
intriguing theory was
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authored by a man
named Lawrence Kohlberg and
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he talked about
the stages of the moral
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development and I
find this very, very
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fascinating and I
also find it very Biblical.
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He talked about,
how children's start out
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and basically
children are motivated by two
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things, a hope of reward
and a fear of punishment.
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Okay, so little
children are motivated by
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lollipops and
spankings, they will avoid the
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spanking and they're
will try to acquire the
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lollipop. That's
basically, how we're as
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the children and then
kind of in the middle,
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you know of life. We
go through, you know lay
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childhood add
lesions, young adulthood and we
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go to different stages
of moral development and
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that's basically the
same essential motives
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being afraid of
failure or afraid of punishment
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and then hoping
for reward, but they're
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sort of translated
into the social realm.
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Because people become
more socially geared as
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they get older. So
they're afraid of social
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punishments, you
know ostracism or being
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rejected and
they're seeking after social
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acceptance in that
type of thing and then
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according to Kohlberg
in the latter stages of
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moral development.
People start to develop
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principle based
motivations, ultimately
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resulting in the
highest stage of moral
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development, which is
called post conventional
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and that is that right
is based up on universal
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principles and that
person that achieves that
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highest stage of moral
development is actuated
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or motivated by this
Universal Principles of
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Right. He does things
or she does things just
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because they're right
and I think that's a very
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appropriate and
accurate model of how people
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progress from
ones stage to another.
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Amen. If they're maturing on
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God's time table, but
the problem is, that I mean
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somebody adults that
our biologically adults.
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But they're really
operating on the motives
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of the two year old and
I could say the same for
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myself, it times of my
life. You know, we can be
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very childish even
though we're biologically
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mature. So, people,
my point are the people
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just naturally mature
into that higher stage of
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development. It takes
something beyond of just
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people, you know,
living and learning.
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It takes something divine.
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And you know some
of that divine in my
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estimation and you are
talking, I just turn to
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Romans 12:2 because
this scripture came to my
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mind that says, Do
not be conformed to this
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world, but be transformed
by the renewing of your
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mind, that you may
prove. What is that good,
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and acceptable, and
perfect will of God and I
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believe, I've read a
study that said that the
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frontal lobe,
especially of young boys,
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the frontal lobe in a
teenage boy has as much
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slower development,
that's right, rather than
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teenage female, but as
the frontal lobe begins
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to developed or are
you spirituality is.
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Well, my question
would be, do they ever catch
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up? That's a good question.
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Do you know the answer?
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I don't know the answer, do you?
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Okay, I'm just
curious, I think they do,
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I think they do.
Okay, but when you
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think of it. I shouldn't
say that, because I might
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somebody write me on
that, the when you think
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about it. The
transformation were we
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really do begin to
seek the type of action are
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motive for action is
to pleased God that's when
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we really begin when
we are in the word of God
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then the more word
we've in us, the more we want
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to actually please
our Lord, because we're
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learning about what
pleases him. We learn
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his perfect will and
it's that transforming power
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of the word of God
that does confirm our mind.
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Amen, Amen. But, my
point is that they're has
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be some kind of
divine intervention, some
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kind of super
natural interposition in the
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human beings life in
order to get them from
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stage one to the
final stage of moral
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development, it
doesn't just happened.
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We don't have some
kind of maturity time clock,
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that's just innately within
us the naturally progresses.
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To a high stage of
moral development and left to
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our own devices,
we'll devolve instead of
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evolve, exactly, and
will become more and more
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in Satan image less
and less and God's image.
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So, God change is all
that of course when he
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enters our
experience. But to me the basic
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difference between all
of these human theories is
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valuable as many of
them are. These humanistic
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theories basically
teach that people get their on
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their own and my
believe as a Christian counselor
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is that when man
fallen to sin, he created a
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God's sized
problem. He created a problem
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bigger then he
himself could fix. Secular
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psychology teaches us
that, yes we've a problem
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and we can fix
that problem. Christian
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psychology teaches us
that, we've a problem in
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our sinfulness, in our
fallowness and only God
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can fix it so. There
has to be this divine
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intervention in an
individual's life in order
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for them to get to
the place where Paul,
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got where he said when
I was a child, I spoke as
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child, thought as a
child and reason does a child.
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But when I became
man, I put away childish
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hings. How many
adults do we know that never
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put away those childish things?
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That's true. People that are
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squabbling in their
marriages as if they are
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two year olds, yes,
you know, four year olds
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maybe. People that are
engaging in back-biting
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and gossip, you
know tearing down their
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neighbor, handling
relationships in a very
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immature manner or
just not even managing
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themselves well,
because they've never matured
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beyond that very
early stage of moral
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development. They
need an experience with a
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Lord they need a
divine in feeling.
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You know, when you
were talking Jennifer.
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I was thinking,
because you use the word
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self-discipline and I
was just thinking that a Paul
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wrote II Timothy
and II Timothy 1:7 and
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you know, you see if
I'm on the same as you here,
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it's in Second Timothy
1:7, Paul wrote if I can
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find it here, He said
God has not given us the
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spirit of fear; but
of power, and of love,
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and of a sound mind
or self discipline some
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translation says or
self controls with the
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amplifies says.
So, essentially what
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saying is that this
development, if we're
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going to evolve
instead of Godly principle.
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Amen. It takes, these is really
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no such thing as self
discipline. It has to be
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motivated I mean it
comes from the Lord.
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He gives us a
spirit. Amen, yeah.
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To, he's the one that
actually is initiating.
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That's right.
His ability for us to
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control the selfish
tendency is that we've.
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Workout your own
salvation with fear and
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trembling but it's God
that works and you both
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to willing to do,
so you wrestling with
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You know, God
created us for self-mastery,
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but isn't as in our
fallen condition is it a
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self-mastery,
that is self-generated.
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Yeah. No it is not, it's a
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self-mastery that is
empowered it is initiated
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and had every stage
and powered by forces
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outside of
ourselves. i. e. God himself and
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heavenly agencies, his
Holy Spirit, you know the
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intervention of
angles or whatever we've to
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constantly have.
This external power supply
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coming into our
lives. Absolutely.
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Or we will not be able
to fill the propos for which
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God created us and to be
to live as if in his image,
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which is calling. But
at the same time God did
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created us for
self-mastery, he created
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us with this kingly
powers, reason conscious,
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the ability to believe
what we don't see to fix
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our faith on the more
sure word of prophecy.
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That's more sure, and
event he witness of our
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senses. Amen.
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God has created us
with these kingly powers,
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these governing
powers and they were mend to
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rule over the other
aspects of our being,
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our appetites, our
passions, our emotions,
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we were design to
such way that's how we
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function the best,
when those kingly powers are
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in dominates or in
control. We're turned
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upside down,
because of the fall.
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You know, I love, you
just moved into two of my
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favorite passage
or scripture are in
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Philippians 2:12, I
used to really get hung up on
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that were. Paul writes
and says, work out your
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own salvation with fear
and trembling and I did,
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I mean, I was trying to
do more best for the Lord
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and I was fearing and
trembling and the church,
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the denomination in
which I grow up, which I left
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at the age of about
28. I guess, but, yeah,
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that denomination taught
us that, if you just want
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perfect. God was
getting ready to spew you out at
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his mouth and strike you
with the lightening bolt,
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just striking with
the lightening bolt,
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I've thought God,
you were toast, I was,
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I'm read and so you
would and I wouldn't do
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all I could, but I
can't never do enough then I
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get discouraged
and it walk away.
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And then finally one
day as I was studying and
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thinking about that's
scripture. The Lord just
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impressed up on me
so much that you cannot
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separate Philippians
2:12 from Philippians 2:13.
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Yes, Amen. Because essentially
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Paul say workout you
own salvation with fear and
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trembling, but
not in our own study.
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That's right. Amen.
Because the next verses,
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who it is God, who is
all the while and work
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within you to willing
to do, to willing to act
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according to his good
pleasures so, what was
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the word you called
that, that you're, the word?
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Self-mastery. No the
powered word you say.
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About the like
external power source.
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There is an external
power source that must
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come into our lives. Okay.
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So, that process of
self-mastery must be
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initiated and
then empowered by God
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God throughout the
process of maturity.
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Absolutely. As you were talking
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about that I was
thinking about how people go
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through those. What
we might call legalistic
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experiences as
where they're trying to do
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God's willing in
their own strength and their
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living in a state of
fear, you know God gave us the
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fight or flight response,
as a means of coping with
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the dangerous world.
The problem as if we live
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on fear eventually the
fight or flight response
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itself will cause
physical break down will
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be a danger to us.
So, people that are in a
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religious context were
they're encourage to be
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motivated by fear for a
long period of time will
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often break down and
though if the apathy will
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follow fear. Their
nervous system literally
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collapse as they get
to a place where are they
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doing even care
anymore, because their nervous
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system just can't manage.
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You've seen that
happen, I've seen that happen to
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people. I've to, it will reminds
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me of what
Salomon's said in the book of
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Ecclesiastes, he said
be not righteous overmuch,
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why should you destroy yourself.
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Umm! Isn't that interesting?
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That is an
interesting. And if I can quote
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Ellen White, she said
excess of caution is it
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attendant with his
much, these many problems as
00:20:06.58\00:20:09.89
excess or not enough
caution, so. If you've
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too much caution,
you're bringing as much
00:20:13.84\00:20:15.82
trouble upon yourself
as if you've not enough
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caution. We need to
stay balance, do we need to
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realize that our
power source is Jesus.
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Amen. So.
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That's a good word balance.
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Yeah. Now, let me ask you
00:20:25.94\00:20:27.03
this, because our
time is going by quickly.
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Sometimes people
will say and I'm upset it
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myself, I don't feel motivated.
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Yeah, Amen. How that you,
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we're promise to you
that. We're gonna tell
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you today, how to get motivated.
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That's good. When someone says,
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they don't feel motivated.
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What do you say to them?
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When people tell me
that they're not motivated,
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what they are saying
is. I don't feel motivated
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and many of those
people operate on the basic
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premise, that they
can't do something until they
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feel like doing
it. That is the basic
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believe that many
people have, I can't do it,
00:21:01.46\00:21:04.89
unless I feel like
do again and so to them.
00:21:04.92\00:21:07.30
Feeling like doing
something is equivalent
00:21:07.33\00:21:10.71
to being
motivated to do something.
00:21:10.74\00:21:12.53
But, this is not
true, according to Biblical
00:21:13.89\00:21:16.96
teaching. People can
actually learn how to do
00:21:16.99\00:21:19.65
things, but they
might not feel like doing.
00:21:19.68\00:21:21.79
But it does take this
divine intervention and
00:21:22.73\00:21:25.03
the thing that I
think, I was the new covenant
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and how God said in
Jeremiah Chapter 31.
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I will put my laws in
their minds and write it
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on their heart. Amen.
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That's the first stage
of this final stage of moral
00:21:35.49\00:21:38.50
development, you
know, when we, if we're ever
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go and come to
unsurety it's gonna be because
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God put his laws in our
mind and wrote it on our
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heart. Then we could be
guided by those timeless
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principles that
come straight from his
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character of love. We
can be guided by those
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principles into maturity,
but we will come to the
00:21:55.46\00:21:59.18
place where we
don't feel like doing.
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We should be so naive
is to think that they just
00:22:01.62\00:22:03.80
because we're a born
again Christian fallowing
00:22:03.83\00:22:06.74
Jesus, so the disciple
of his and warning to do his
00:22:06.77\00:22:08.98
willing choosing to
live our lives for his glory,
00:22:09.01\00:22:11.83
we should not be so
naive is to think that there
00:22:11.86\00:22:14.18
won't be many times
when we don't really feel
00:22:14.21\00:22:16.63
like doing, what we
know we should do. Amen?
00:22:16.66\00:22:19.39
Amen. I mean, won't there
00:22:19.42\00:22:20.78
will be times? So, let's
not be naive of that some
00:22:20.81\00:22:24.19
people entertain a
notion of the Christian
00:22:24.22\00:22:26.10
experience that they
always feel motivated to
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do the right thing.
Now, I'm not saying they
00:22:29.08\00:22:30.38
would never feel
motivated, sometimes
00:22:30.41\00:22:31.99
which is flows and it's
always the best one it's
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flowing straight
out of our heart,
00:22:34.35\00:22:37.55
you know so to speak.
00:22:37.58\00:22:38.55
But they're will be
times, when there is
00:22:38.56\00:22:39.96
a pull one direction to the
00:22:40.00\00:22:41.66
wrong thing and then
our conscious will pull
00:22:41.69\00:22:43.87
other direction to the
right thing and then that
00:22:43.90\00:22:46.89
moment we must make
it choice to be motivated
00:22:46.92\00:22:50.27
to do the right thing
and so what I do with my
00:22:50.30\00:22:53.20
clients that have
this motivation issues.
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I teach them, how to
act on principles instead of
00:22:55.75\00:22:59.22
unfeeling.
Okay, so explain that.
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What I mean by
acting on principles instead
00:23:02.10\00:23:04.15
Let me give you a case in point.
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Okay. This is a client,
00:23:06.18\00:23:07.34
who was very, very
unstable and I won't
00:23:07.37\00:23:09.85
going to great
detail here, but when people
00:23:09.88\00:23:12.10
become
sufficiently unstable in their
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relationships and in
their relationship to
00:23:14.39\00:23:17.05
themselves,
sometimes they were become very
00:23:17.08\00:23:19.41
self-destructive. Umm!
00:23:19.44\00:23:21.36
Sometimes they will
let their relationship just
00:23:21.39\00:23:23.51
we're out of control.
This was where there is
00:23:23.54\00:23:25.55
person born; she was
just very, very unstable.
00:23:25.58\00:23:28.78
just very, very
unstable. So, I thought this
00:23:28.81\00:23:30.84
person, how and I
remember the moment
00:23:30.87\00:23:33.05
when the light went on
her head. We're walking
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sometime; my clients
and I will walk when we
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have sessions believed
or not. I think it's even
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more their orthopedics
they just sitting and
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talking or it can't
be and I remember the
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moment, when the light went off.
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We're walking and I
just have been talking to
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her and talking to her
about how she didn't have
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to live by your feelings
basically and it finally
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broke through and she
realized I don't, I can
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do things, even though
I don't feel like doing
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things and it was
something like cleaning
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her room and her
house or something that she
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was procrastinating
and it just, it just,
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I mean it sound so
stupid, it sound so
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so simple, it sound
so basic. But you won't
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believe, how many
people on a very subconscious
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level believe that
they can only do things,
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when they feel like
doing them. So, she finally
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realize on that
subconscious the deep
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level kind of some
sunk down into the substrate
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of her thinking, she
could actually choose to
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do things, even
though she didn't feel like
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doing them. You know, it going
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back to Philippians
2:13 where it says God works
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in you too, will into act.
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Yeah. I just teach that's to
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separate phases
that first phase by the
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renewing of your
mind, if you know what God's
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will is to live
healthy, to spend time with him
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or him pray or the
good things to do the good
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works and creative for
you to do. What you think
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about it, that for works
in you to will, it's kind a
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like you, he helps laying
you will up with his will.
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Amen. So, that his desires
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began to commit
your desire as well,
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but that does mean
you really feel like
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doing them. That's right.
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So, he's not
gonna force you to act.
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Yeah. So, the very next
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thing, that he does if
God more forces to act.
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How does he working to
us in us to will went to
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act, I was tell people,
there is the one foot gap
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between working in
his to will and to act and
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that is that God
once we know what's to do.
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Umm! What is right to do,
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he asks us to choose
it, to take once step?
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That's right, Amen,
that's exactly what I'm saying.
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When you just get, you take
one step that's right to do it.
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That's right. And then the power
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of the Holy Spirit
shows up and he works in us to
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act. That's right,
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I call it Faith it how
you make it, because I don't
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like Faith it how you
make it. Because we're
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not fake, we're real,
you know. Our Christian
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we're authentic,
but faith it's kind of
00:25:50.12\00:25:53.20
like fake it to you
make a, because you're not
00:25:53.23\00:25:54.83
there yet
experientially. I've use that
00:25:54.86\00:25:57.62
terminology for
years that my husband that
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Faith it how you make
it, you know it's great
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terminology, because we
do have to take that step
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in faith. Amen.
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Before, we've you
know, how to people get from
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it to be. How do
they get from bad habits,
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to better habits?
They've to step out in faith.
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Yeah, we've just a minute left.
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Okay. What we do you tell
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someone, who's out
here maybe and know they're
00:26:18.20\00:26:20.50
having self-destructive
behavior, because perhaps
00:26:20.53\00:26:23.45
they know they should
lose some weight and eat
00:26:23.48\00:26:25.22
healthier, but they
just keep going for the junk
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food, what we
would you tell them?
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Okay, first thing
come to Jesus, don't wait
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until you're sorry,
don't' wait for anything,
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just come to him and
then. He will give you
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gift of repentance;
you take ownership of what
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you've done to yourself
it's been harmful. Amen.
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And then you pray for
strengthen to over come;
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you're receive
him and his grace.
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Pray for strengthen to
over come and then live
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in accordance with you prayers.
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And make no provisions for this
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flash. Flash, yes. Amen.
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It was in Roman 14
something I think over he
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says making. Making of provision
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for the first of the
fill the less there are.
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Yes. Yes.
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So, for us to get
motivated, we just have
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to understand
basically and recapping.
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We're all motivated
sometimes, it's to avoid
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things and both the
right things, we know that we
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should do, but what we
need to do is just to ask
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the Lord for his
strength, his power to
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be making perfect
in us. We need to pray,
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we need to choose to
start doing it. If you
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can't get around to
clean in your house,
00:27:26.25\00:27:28.55
just settle little
timer for 15 minutes and go do
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something for 15
minutes and clean in your house,
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right. Yeah, also it helps to
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connect to another
person, a life coach,
00:27:35.23\00:27:37.04
a consoler, or prayer partner.
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Amen. Sometimes we need
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little nudge from
another fellow wanderer.
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That's right, Amen.
Jennifer Jill Schwirzer.
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It always so much
fun. It is. It always go
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so fast, you are here. Yeah.
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I just wanna thank
you so much for being here
00:27:51.73\00:27:54.36
and then now it's our
time is already all gone,
00:27:54.39\00:27:57.86
but I hope that you
saw something today to
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recognize that you
can over come lack of
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motivation by the Holy
Spirit help you today to
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do what you're to be doing.
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Thanks for joining us.
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