Hi, I am Shelley Quinn.
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You know, I firmly
believe that if we want
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to keep the youth in
the Church, we have got to
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get them active for
the Lord Jesus Christ.
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So, please join us
today for Issues and Answers
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because we are
going to be talking about
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Spiritual leadership
opportunities for you.
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If you want see a young
person get excited about
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their relationship
with the Lord Jesus.
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All of you have to do
is send them on missionary
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trip or get them
involved in Evangelism and they,
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it becomes real to
them. They wake up to what
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Jesus can do for them
and what it is all about.
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And you know, I was
thinking in Jeremiah
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chapter 1, beginning in
verse 6, when God called
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Jeremiah, Jeremiah
said Ah, Lord God! Behold,
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I cannot speak for I am
only a youth but the Lord
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says in verse 7 say not
I am not only a youth for
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you shall go to all
to whom I shall send you
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and whatever I
command you shall speak.
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Here to speak with
us today about this very
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topic. This very
issue is Cindy Tutsch.
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Yes. And Cindy you are the
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Associate Director
for the Ellen White Estate
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and I am so
thankful that you are here.
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Before we begin tell us a
little bit about the Ellen
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White Estate. It's
in case some of our
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viewers aren't
familiar. Certainly, Seventh-Day
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Adventist believe
that. Ellen received messages
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from God and they
tested those messages through
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the scriptures to
make sure that they weren't
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contradictory to the scriptures.
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That we believe that
all of our doctrines are
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established from
scriptures and not from
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any outside
source, but we believe that
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according to Joel 2
and Effusions 4 and first
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Corinthian 2 and
Roman 12 that the gifted
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prophecy could be one
of the gifts to the Spirit
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that God gives to his
people at the end of time.
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And Ellen White we
believe received that
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gift of prophecy
through her 70 years of public
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Ministry. Before she
passed away, she wrote a
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will in which she
established the Ellen G.
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White Estate for the
purpose of preserving her
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writings for taking
care of the copyrights,
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for making compilations
on themes that will be
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useful to the Church
from her writings, yes,
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later on and also what
we do is we accept speaking
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appointments from
around the world to talk aboout
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the gift of prophecy,
to talk about principles
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of how we do our interpretation.
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How do you understand
Ellen White's writings
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and what are some
misuses that could
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happen from the
application of her
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writings and ways that
are not Spiritually healthy.
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So, we have a wide
gamut of responsibility at the
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White Estate, and my
particular focus is on
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youth and young
adults, how do we make Ellen
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White's writings
useful and relevant to young
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adults. Amen. Now you come
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from a long
background of youth Ministry,
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tell us a little bit
about your own personal walk
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with the Lord in Ministry.
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Well, I became a
Christian on my decision
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when I was eight years
old. I had a renewal of
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commitment to Jesus
when I was in my early
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20's and realized that
I can put little bit on
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the back boner
and from that time on,
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from the time I was 21
I was involved either as
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Bible teacher or as
a youth Pastor or as a
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youth Evangelism coordinator.
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I have also been working
in the North-West part of
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the United States
as a Youth Coordinator;
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we call it as a Youth Director.
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And I just need a mentor
and a facilitator for the
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activity that are
going for youth, for me that
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particularly meant getting youth
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involved in Evangelism.
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And you know I have
shared this story before
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and people probably
tired of hearing it but I love
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the story. We were
giving a young lady arrived back
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from a GYC
(General Youth Conference)
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and this was a
meeting at Sacramento.
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We brought her back
from the airport in her car
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and she was in the
very back and I said to her
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how do we keep our
young people in the
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Church. And you know
what she said without
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blinking an eye she
said give us a challenge and
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co-train and retain
us. Oh! I love that.
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Isn't that wonderful?
So, I know that you have
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spent quite a bit of
time in studying the idea of
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Spiritual leadership
for youth. You actually,
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when you were working
on your master's degree
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you shared a story with
me earlier. Please share
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that with our audience
because I think this is
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something that we
really helps set the tome for
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this program. You know, I was
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attending Seventh-Day
Adventist University,
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it was a Church
sponsored university and
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not our denomination,
but another, a positive
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denomination. They
are very gracious to me,
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I was only Seventh
Adventist in the graduate
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program and they
were very very helpful and
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accommodating and in
fact they allowed me to
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write my project Thesis
on involving Seventh-Day
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Adventist youth in Evangelism.
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Using a model that I
had initiated a both in the
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Lake Union Conferences
Seventh-Day Adventist
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and also in the
Pacific Conference of
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Seventh-Day
Adventist. It's a model that
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involved youth doing
literature Evangelism
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door to door,
distributing Gospel
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door to door.
Teaching Revelation
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seminars and Teaching
people in the community,
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adults in the
community about the book of
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revelation and how it
correlates with the times
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in which we live.
Giving Bible studies and doing
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community service and
so I had developed this
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model and I wrote a
proposal of how other
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Churches or youth
groups can replicate this model
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and they were
very interested in my
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proposal. After I
finished the Thesis my
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major professor read it
and called on the phone,
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he said Cindy I want
to say something to you
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apart from the committee
and back up my attention
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you know what
he is going to say.
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And he said I have read
your thesis and he said I
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think I know now
why my denominations
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membership has
remained static for the last 15
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years where as the
Seventh-Day Adventist
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Church membership has
grown exponentially and
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I said what was
that? And he said I noticed
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that all the way
through your Thesis you talk
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about the Eschaton
the coming of Jesus,
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the second coming of our Lord.
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And he said you don't
just talk about that you
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talk about mobilizing
and orienting and providing
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opportunities for young
people to be involved as
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heroes of this event. Yes, yes.
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He said I saw that,
you know the thread all
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the way through your project.
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He said now we we
still have a second coming in
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our Creed its still
in our books, but we
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don't preach it. We
don't really teach it
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and he said we certainly
don't mobilize youth to
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be heroes of that
event. He said that's why my
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Church membership
hasn't grown at all in 15 years
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and yours is going
by leaps and bounds.
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And then you know,
I am thinking of what
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Paul wrote to Timothy,
when he said do not let
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them despise your
youth and we need to
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sometimes I hear
people talk about the youth of
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the Church as the next
leaders of the Church and
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I think that we need to
make certain that we are
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not just putting that
next leadership, exactly,
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ideal generation,
oh yeah, that were
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postponing it because
we see through the ASI,
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which is the
Adventist Laymen, okay.
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Adventist Services and Laymen's
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Adventist Laymen's
Services and Industries
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Thank you, I usually can
say that but we see these
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young people who are
just learning how to go
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out and Evangelized to
do doctrinal messages to
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give prophetic
seminars and its amazing how it
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changes their life. And
its also amazing how God
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uses these youth to get
into areas to give Bible
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studies where may be
some of us older people
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won't let us in their home.
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Exactly, and in fact I
think that we are finally
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recognizing and what
we see in this generation
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have used for Christ and
also other ASI initiated,
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youth Evangelism
projects is a full form and of
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what Jesus said in
Mathew 28, in verses 19 and 20
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we have his
familiar commission where he
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says they are for going
and make disciples of all
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the nations and
baptize them in the name of the
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father and the Son
and the Holy Spirit.
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But now who was
he talking to there?
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Well, you know
sometimes we thought
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while he is just
talking to the old folks, but I
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really think this
commission is gender
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inclusive. I
think its age inclusive,
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I think its race
inclusive, I think it's
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all of this. And I think
it doesn't matter whether we
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have a sparkling
extraverted personality
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or whether we
are more introverted.
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God wants us to use the
temperament and the gifts
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that we have and
use them for his good.
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Yeah. Because all of this can
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have a testimony.
May be we wont give
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give that testimony
in exactly the same way.
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We may be we wont
share our faith and the
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knowledge of scripture
and how Bible says with
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others and
exactly the same format,
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but God calls all of us
to Evangelize, you know,
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in hardness, in our own way.
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And I can tell you
Shelley, I have seen the
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lives of the young
people themselves completely
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turned right side
up. Because as a young
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person said to
you many young people,
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many Christian young
people today are over
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entertained today and
under challenged and if
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we would provide them
with the opportunity and
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believe in them and
think that yes they could be
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Evangelize for God.
They don't have to wait
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for until 25 or 35 or
45, they can do more than
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just take their
offering in Church. I think it's
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great if they take up
the offering in Church don't
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get me wrong. But they can do so
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much more than that. Amen.
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What are the things
that I found particularly
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important in recruiting
students to be involved
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in students in this
kind of activity was not to
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look at the, you
know, stereotypical Bible
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thumping kids, I would
go to the back row of the
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Church or out in the
parking lot where kids
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will chewing gum and you
know talking about sports
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and internet and guy-friends and
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girlfriends and
music and all of that,
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and seemingly disinterested in
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Spiritual things
and I would give them a
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challenge. I say,
you know what, I have a
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group of people over
here at Mill Street they are
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looking for somebody to
say Bible with them and I
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think that you will be
just perfect, what about
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I go with you the first
time and introduce you to
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them and show you how
the lessons work and then
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you carry it on, you
and your friend escort here.
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I think you guys will
be great partners in doing
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this. And you know at
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sometimes, I would
have to ask them more than
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once, sometimes I
have to ask them more than
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twice. I tell I was
tenacious sometimes.
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I would ask them
10 times and more,
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but I found that they
distrusted themselves.
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They didn't think that
they were worthy or that
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they knew and offer
that you know, that their
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Spirituality was
deepened up whatever, but once
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they started
teaching a Bible to others,
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they got much more
excited about their own
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faith. Though, they
have to find answers in the
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scriptures, when the
people that they were
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studying asked
questions, they had to find the
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answers in the word of
God and that was really a
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growing experience for them.
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Amen. I would say that
we learn to teach and we
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teach to learn.
Yes, I like that a lot.
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And it really works
doesn't it? So when you
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think of all with
Bible has to say about
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Evangelism and about
youth. And we see that
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the Lord included
youth and Jesus had such a
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special relationship
with young people and we
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know that John,
Apostle John, was a very young
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disciple of Jesus.
What were some of the
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things that we have a
very famous quote that we
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use of Ellen White's
writings and when she
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says an army of
youth, yes, rightly trained
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Right, I like that a
lot. In fact I brought along
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with me several citations
from Ellen White because
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sometimes we tend to
think of Ellen White and
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I speak Ellen
White because I am coming
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from the Ellen White
Estate and I want people
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to know, have a little
broader understanding of
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her work and her Ministry
but not that I think that
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she would ever take
the place scripture.
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Because of the
Seventh - day Adventist
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doctrines are built on
the word of God and our
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scripture. I am
glad you put such an
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emphasis on them
because since you are
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coming from White
Estate we do that's kind of the
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central to our
discussions here but it's
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important that people
don't misapply what we
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are saying. Yes,
absolutely, and our
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original commission is
from Jesus himself when
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he says go into all of
the world and teach the
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Gospel. But you know,
you eluded to one of my
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favorite citations
its found in book Ellen
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White called Education
and it says with such an
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army of workers, says
our youth, are rightly
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trained, I will skip
that rightly trained,
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forget that involves
us as adults to encourage
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them and mentor them
and coach them and provide
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them with opportunities.
With such an army as our
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youth might furnish
how soon the message have a
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crucified reason and
soon coming savior might be
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carried to the whole world.
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How soon might the
end come, the end of
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suffering and sorrow
and sad. You know that goes
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along with what
Peter says it is within our
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power not only to look
for but to you hear soon
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the coming of Jesus.
Exactly, and you know
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sometimes people
think well you know young
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kids what do they
know, but look at Helen White
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was 17 years old.
And her husband was
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only five or six
years older and many of our
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early Adventists pioneers
were young, the editor of
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the Review for I
think over 50 years Uriah
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Smith, wasn't
always over their on the
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chronologically
challenged end of the
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spectrum. He became
editor of the Review
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when he was only 21 years old.
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Oh, I didn't know
that. And even Joseph Bates
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who was older, most
of our early Adventist
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founders and
pioneers were young people.
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You know they had a vision.
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They had a
passion. They wanted to be
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scripture driven.
They wanted to be a
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behest in the word of
God and they wanted to not
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just be hearers,
they wanted to be doers
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of the word of God.
Yeah. Ellen White and
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Adventist theology,
says the Lord is calling
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for youth for he would
make them his helpers to
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do good service under
his manner. And I love that
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analogy of the world
calling for the youth and
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don't be contend with the
superficial things of this
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life but get out
and do something that's
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meaningful. And you know Cindy,
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I get a lot of people
will call here who will
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say what can I do with
my child, that my child
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is just going
bizarre and cunning.
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They are getting off
in to life style choices
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that are really frightening me.
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And I tell them take
them on a missionary trip,
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send them on
missionary trips, yeah right,
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and it is amazing how
many times when a young
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person who is
beginning to stray from the path
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and make some
really critically dangerous
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choices. You send
them out to Ministry to
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someone else and
they see the how the Lord
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works. They see the
miracles of the Lord in
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the missionary failed
and it becomes real to them
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and it absolutely is
pivotal, it changes their
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life and turns
them towards the Lord.
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Now you have been
involved in doing,
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I should say in
putting in places some of these
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programs. Can you
tell us some about them?
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Sure. I will tell
you about my first
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involvement, well it
came along the line like this.
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I had had a Summer
Literature Evangelism
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Program, where
students went out door to door
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with Gospel Literature,
praying with people at
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the door, distributing
these books, vegetarian
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cook books Bible
story books for kids.
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Some of the Ellen White's
beautiful books on Desire
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of Ages, you know,
what we call a Mega book for
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now, which is half
magazine and half book.
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You may have had
young mega bookers on your
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shows here at 3ABN
before I telling some of
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their experiences, I
know I was interviewed with
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kids back in the
90's here they did that.
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Well, this organization
that we mentioned before
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ASI, Adventist Layman's
Services and Industries,
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decided that they
wanted to have a program
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involved more than
just literature Evangelism.
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They wanted also to have
revelation seminars in it
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and Bible service
and community service and
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they invited me to be
the leader of this program
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back all in the early 90's.
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Now you have to
recognize at that
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time in Detroit,
there were more honest
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sites for kids under
the age of 17 then any other
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city in the whole
United States including Los
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Angeles. So, you
know who are we going to
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recruit to go door
to door in Detroit?
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What parents going
to let their kid go
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door to door? Absolutely.
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But we did what Jesus
did but to as to call them.
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You know he said that
he is calling the youth to
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do good service
under his manner.
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So we appealed to the
parents and we appealed
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to the students and
we got a group of 35 that
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first summer. We taught three
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revelation seminars
in three different sites,
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the kids doing all the teaching.
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Can you imagine? Amen.
00:17:07.67\00:17:08.64
Here we know, this
bachelor, you know,
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we expect him to stand
up there and be articulate
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and profound on the
word of God but you know this
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this is 15, 16, 17
year old kids teaching these
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prophecies from Daniel
and Revelation and doing
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an outstanding
job. And of course,
00:17:20.69\00:17:23.42
the grown-up and
adults that are coming to this
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are blown away,
you know these are
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teenagers that know the
Bible better than I know
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and if the teenagers
didn't know the answer to
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questions that would
surface they would say
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oh, I don't but I will
do some research about that
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this week and come
back and give you an answer
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next week. So, this summer was a
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wonderful
fulfilling for all of us.
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And you know, I have
to say that when the ASI
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conventions that I
have attended that's my
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favorite time of
everything that goes on
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is when they bring-in
these army of youth after
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they have been after,
yes, and the kids have
00:17:51.99\00:17:54.54
such zeal in their
heart; they are so excited
00:17:54.57\00:17:56.88
about, right, what
the Lord has accomplished
00:17:56.91\00:17:58.79
through them. And
you know that, that is an
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experience that will
change them for life.
00:18:01.63\00:18:03.62
And yes that they
will never forget and you
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know not only it's a
Spiritually beneficial to
00:18:05.29\00:18:07.66
them but it teaches
them social skills in meeting
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all these people door
to door, they are learning
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to talk with complete strangers.
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They are learning
practical things like
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diligence, and
tenacity and responsibility and,
00:18:14.59\00:18:17.70
and they are overcoming
all of these fears that
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even many adults you
know, many adults in the
00:18:19.60\00:18:21.56
Church, if you would
say we would like to go out
00:18:21.59\00:18:23.63
and go door to door or
we would like you to go give
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the Bible Study and they
adults would feel just as
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unqualified and
many as the youth do.
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But when we see
that the youth can do it,
00:18:32.69\00:18:34.86
it should shake up
the Church and wake,
00:18:34.89\00:18:36.71
accept all being involved.
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And you know that
has happened, after that
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summer I went on to
do nine more summers of
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young people being
involved in 24x7 Youth
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Evangelism Program
for eight weeks in the
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summer and then I
did some doing the school
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year, and what I
discovered is we would
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have these young
people come up in Church like
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you saw the ASI
conventions and you
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suggest be at the
local Church telling their
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experiences and after
they had done that for a
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weeks the adults begin,
surreptitiously coming to
00:19:01.82\00:19:04.90
me in the corridors
and saying, you know what,
00:19:04.93\00:19:06.34
I don't want the
kids to have all the fun.
00:19:06.37\00:19:08.30
Can we start in
Bible study or at least me
00:19:08.33\00:19:11.15
drive for these
students. Let me be their driver
00:19:11.18\00:19:13.22
where as they go
out to a Bible study.
00:19:13.25\00:19:14.67
So, we found it
was a way of kind of
00:19:14.70\00:19:16.83
eliminating the
generation gap because
00:19:16.86\00:19:19.19
adults and youth were
coming together to the
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Church once a week,
working together for the
00:19:21.66\00:19:24.70
salvation of souls, and
I should tell you something
00:19:24.73\00:19:27.72
what happened, I was in
Prague a number of years
00:19:27.75\00:19:30.73
ago; it was the first
institute or Council for
00:19:30.76\00:19:35.27
Youth in Evangelism.
So, there were delegates
00:19:35.30\00:19:37.30
gathered there from all
over the world and on the
00:19:37.33\00:19:40.33
last night the speaker
challenged all the young
00:19:40.36\00:19:43.11
people to turn the
world upside down for Jesus
00:19:43.14\00:19:45.33
Christ. And one
young man walked right from
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the back of that
vast auditorium, he strode
00:19:49.00\00:19:51.69
right up to the
platform, he took the microphone
00:19:51.72\00:19:54.22
out of the hand of the
speaker, all us are very
00:19:54.25\00:19:57.79
startled you can believe,
he said sir, our world is
00:19:57.82\00:20:01.55
already upside down.
I want to turn our world
00:20:01.58\00:20:04.95
right side up for Jesus Christ.
00:20:04.98\00:20:07.23
And you know I
thought about that a lot.
00:20:07.26\00:20:09.53
I think it was
really profound because our
00:20:09.56\00:20:12.11
world is upside down
today, you know we have
00:20:12.14\00:20:14.05
video games and that
are totally profane and
00:20:14.08\00:20:17.84
totally violent
and totally disruptive,
00:20:17.87\00:20:20.86
immoral, immoral, of
every value that we hold
00:20:20.89\00:20:23.60
as Christians whose
faith is based on the word of
00:20:23.63\00:20:27.42
God and holiness
character of God.
00:20:27.45\00:20:29.10
You know we hear
about cruelty and abuse and
00:20:29.13\00:20:33.40
violence and war
and people being totally
00:20:33.43\00:20:37.46
consumed with commercialism. Our
00:20:37.49\00:20:39.51
world needs to be
turned right side up for Jesus
00:20:39.54\00:20:41.84
Christ. Yes. We need to
be more excited about the
00:20:41.87\00:20:44.22
word of God than we
are about video games and
00:20:44.25\00:20:46.83
more excited about
talking about Jesus and
00:20:46.86\00:20:49.08
we are talking
about MTV or whatever
00:20:49.11\00:20:51.57
consumes us and that's
true for us as adults as
00:20:51.60\00:20:54.48
well as for the youth
and I think the best way for
00:20:54.51\00:20:57.46
youth to once again
understand who Jesus is
00:20:57.49\00:21:02.13
and who they are in
relation to Jesus and
00:21:02.16\00:21:03.92
what disciples
means is to give them some
00:21:03.95\00:21:07.06
responsibility. Exactly.
00:21:07.09\00:21:08.34
Make them feel that
they are expected to do
00:21:08.37\00:21:10.47
something. The Lord calls them.
00:21:10.50\00:21:12.31
Now, how would you
recommend, I am sure
00:21:12.34\00:21:15.15
that there are people
who are watching right now,
00:21:15.18\00:21:17.35
who are saying you know
this is making sense but
00:21:17.38\00:21:20.49
where do we get
started? What would you
00:21:20.52\00:21:21.98
recommend for Church or
a parent, how do they get
00:21:22.01\00:21:26.20
started implementing
programs that can include
00:21:26.23\00:21:29.53
the youth and
mobilize the youth?
00:21:29.56\00:21:32.25
Well, first of all of
course I have to say that if
00:21:32.28\00:21:34.54
there is a
Literature Evangelism Program
00:21:34.57\00:21:36.70
anywhere in the area
where those young people
00:21:36.73\00:21:39.48
are they should sign
up. You know they should do
00:21:39.51\00:21:42.44
that for at least
a summer, it's a life
00:21:42.47\00:21:44.34
changing experience.
And here in the United
00:21:44.37\00:21:46.55
States there is pockets
of young people doing...
00:21:46.58\00:21:49.15
How do they find out about that?
00:21:49.18\00:21:50.41
They could get on
the Seventh-Day Adventist
00:21:51.98\00:21:53.71
Website or through our
world Church or through
00:21:53.74\00:21:57.02
their local conference,
but you know it's not
00:21:57.05\00:21:59.11
just here in United
States there are young
00:21:59.14\00:22:01.11
people around the
world. That are involved
00:22:01.14\00:22:03.03
Literature Evangelism
through the Seventh-Day
00:22:03.06\00:22:05.52
Adventist
Conference or through a local
00:22:05.55\00:22:08.90
independent Ministry
such as Weimar Institute
00:22:08.93\00:22:13.66
out in
California; you know they send
00:22:13.69\00:22:15.60
kids out with
literature Evangelism.
00:22:15.63\00:22:16.89
There are other
supporting ministries
00:22:16.92\00:22:18.74
that involve young
people in literature work.
00:22:18.77\00:22:21.54
But there is a, I
will give you a really easy
00:22:21.57\00:22:23.83
way that, let me
make one comment before
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you do because otherwise
I am going to forget it,
00:22:25.79\00:22:27.50
okay, and I was
just thinking as you were
00:22:27.53\00:22:29.09
talking how many
Church leaders that I have met
00:22:29.12\00:22:32.62
that, that is part of
their testimony is that
00:22:32.65\00:22:35.20
they began in
Literature Evangelism.
00:22:35.23\00:22:36.97
Yes, absolutely because
you learn so many skills
00:22:37.00\00:22:39.67
and you learn that
you have to pray, you know
00:22:39.70\00:22:41.56
are at the meeting
so many and that person
00:22:41.59\00:22:43.53
might be very hostile
or they may have a lot of
00:22:43.56\00:22:45.55
questions and you have
not the foggiest idea how
00:22:45.58\00:22:47.25
you are going to
answer. So you realize,
00:22:47.28\00:22:48.81
you have to get outside
of yourself and you have
00:22:48.84\00:22:50.58
appeal for divine
power. So, it definitely
00:22:50.61\00:22:52.89
crystallizes your
prayer life into Jesus that
00:22:52.92\00:22:57.73
total dependency is upon them.
00:22:57.76\00:22:59.25
Right, right. But, I
want to tell you that in
00:22:59.28\00:23:01.55
another simple way
that any local Church youth
00:23:01.58\00:23:04.46
group could get
involved in learning to work for
00:23:04.49\00:23:07.19
God. It's very
simple, it's a survey.
00:23:07.22\00:23:09.48
I have people this
survey on a clipboard and they
00:23:09.51\00:23:12.88
go out two by two in
to the neighborhood and
00:23:12.91\00:23:15.13
there is just three
questions on the survey,
00:23:15.16\00:23:16.89
the first question is
number one, what do you
00:23:16.92\00:23:22.05
think of people who
call themselves Christians?
00:23:22.08\00:23:24.46
And the person
answers and you write down the
00:23:24.49\00:23:28.17
question and the
answer in a brief form on your
00:23:28.20\00:23:30.52
little clip
board, and then the next
00:23:30.55\00:23:32.57
question is there is
all kinds of violence in our
00:23:32.60\00:23:36.37
world today and
child abuse and wars,
00:23:36.40\00:23:38.66
why do you think
that those things are
00:23:38.69\00:23:41.54
happening? And you
know they write down
00:23:41.57\00:23:44.09
with what that
was, what the answer was
00:23:44.12\00:23:46.33
at the door, and then
the third question is what do
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you think young people
can do to make this world
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a better place? And
you know I will tell
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you people have
an answer for that,
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everybody has an
opinion what young people can
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do. And then the young
person says thank you so
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much for answering
our survey. It was very
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short, it's only few
questions. Just to say
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thank you, we have
something that we would
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like to share with you
as a gift to your family
00:24:06.29\00:24:08.15
from our Youth Group
and then they give them
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steps to Christ.
They give them a little
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pamphlet of the word
of God and may be the book
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of John you know you
can get that through the
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American Bible
Society, Amen, or if there is an
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Evangelistic
series coming up, where
00:24:18.29\00:24:20.27
somebody is going to do
preaching on the word of
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God, may be an Evangelist
is coming to town they
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could say you know we
have series of lectures
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coming up at our
Church over here on the corner
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of fourth in Mill
Street and we would like to
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invite you to those lectures.
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Here is the pamphlets
that are issues some of
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the topics, yeah, we
hope that you might be there.
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So, you had a little
connection with these
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people by asking them
these three questions.
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People are eager to answer them.
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The young people are
interested in the folks.
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You know they are
looking them in eye.
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They are smiling.
They are obviously
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interested in being a
help in their community,
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that's great, and it's
a little way that kids can
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get involved in door to
door work and learn there
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are people out
there with great needs,
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some of whom they can pray with.
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Amen. I knew as
you were talking,
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I was thinking of
Billy Doug Batchelor, who was
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speaking recently that
he got a group of youth to
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do this and they
were actually giving some
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kind of a short survey
but then they were giving
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away the final events DVD.
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Oh! That's great.
Everybody likes to watch
00:25:15.98\00:25:18.22
DVD; everybody is
interested in times,
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so that was good.
So, I think that this is
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all excellent and I
know you have had many years
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if you could talk to
a parent. I know as a
00:25:26.93\00:25:29.52
mother of three
children what would you say just
00:25:29.55\00:25:32.35
look into your
camera over there and say
00:25:32.38\00:25:35.22
something to them,
mom and dad who may be
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discouraged about the
direction in which their
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youth are going.
Yes, I can understand
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that too because you
know as all Christian
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parents, I have prayed
for the salvation of my
00:25:46.13\00:25:47.92
children everyday
since they were born.
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Nothing is more important
to me than they be in the
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Kingdom of God.
But, I would say get
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involved with
your children. When our
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daughter was
young, I took her out on a
00:25:56.28\00:25:58.18
project that the
Adventist Church calls
00:25:58.21\00:25:59.94
Ingathering that's
just meant that we went
00:25:59.97\00:26:02.01
door-to-door
collecting funds for people who
00:26:02.04\00:26:04.07
have been involved
in disasters, collecting
00:26:04.10\00:26:07.09
funds to help
education of persons around the
00:26:07.12\00:26:10.36
world who might
not have some of the
00:26:10.39\00:26:11.89
educational
advantages that we have,
00:26:11.92\00:26:14.04
for disaster and
famine relief and my daughter
00:26:14.07\00:26:17.29
today is Social
Services Attorney, on one day I
00:26:17.32\00:26:19.74
was teasing her and
said how come you are a
00:26:19.77\00:26:21.47
cooperate lawyer so
could buy me a Lamborghini,
00:26:21.50\00:26:23.59
you know, I was giving
her a hard time and she
00:26:23.62\00:26:25.36
said mom, how can I do
anything else but social
00:26:25.39\00:26:27.89
services law after you
used to take me door to
00:26:27.92\00:26:30.21
door to collect money
for the poor and the needy
00:26:30.24\00:26:32.24
when I was a little
kid. And I would say you
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know fine things to
do in your community,
00:26:35.14\00:26:36.71
singing perhaps at a
nursing home with your
00:26:36.74\00:26:39.67
family, going door
to door may be with your
00:26:39.70\00:26:42.72
kids, just be involved
as a family in things that
00:26:42.75\00:26:47.25
help others and that
combined acts of charity
00:26:47.28\00:26:50.39
with the Gospel
message. I think that's most
00:26:50.42\00:26:52.94
important thing you
can do as a parent of grown
00:26:52.97\00:26:56.22
children. I wish I have
done that even more often
00:26:56.25\00:26:58.42
when my children were younger.
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Amen. And I think to
another thing that we can
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always do for youth
and especially for your
00:27:03.76\00:27:07.10
children and your grand
children is let them know
00:27:07.13\00:27:09.65
how important a
personal relationship with the
00:27:09.68\00:27:12.45
Lord is, yes Amen, a
true personal connection so
00:27:12.48\00:27:15.85
that religion, you know
I would say rules without
00:27:15.88\00:27:19.21
relationship result
in rebellion, exactly,
00:27:19.24\00:27:22.20
and so we don't our
kids growing up just thinking
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that it's a bunch
of don'ts and dos,
00:27:25.07\00:27:27.67
right, but the God
is really interested in
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every detail of
their life. Kids like to be
00:27:29.98\00:27:32.19
active and they like to
know that Jesus is their
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friend and we can
combine both of those
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things. Amen. Cindy thank you
00:27:36.17\00:27:38.42
so much for being
here again Dr Cindy Tutsch
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Yes. And I am so pleased that
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we have enjoyed these
programs that you have
00:27:44.70\00:27:46.52
done and hope that you
will come back again to
00:27:46.55\00:27:48.46
3ABN. Thank you.
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You are always welcome.
For those of you who are
00:27:49.47\00:27:51.75
at home, remember if
you want to keep your
00:27:51.78\00:27:54.46
children in the
Church, go and try to entertain
00:27:54.49\00:27:57.31
them and give them
a challenge that's the
00:27:57.34\00:27:59.32
desire of their heart.
Now may be grace of the
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Lord Jesus Christ,
the love of the father
00:28:02.04\00:28:04.16
and the fellowship of
the Holy Spirit be with you
00:28:04.19\00:28:06.96
today and always, thanks.
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