Hi, I am Shelley
Quinn you know, one thing
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that we all
wanted to actually know
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is how much the
Lord the loves them.
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and we want our
children understand about
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Jesus. So, how do they do that
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join us today on
issues and answers we'll find
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out. Jesus said
suffer the little children
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also said that the
most important command is
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to love the Lord of
God with all of your hearts
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so mild and strain.
So, he is inviting the
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little kids to come and to know
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who he is? So that when they
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understand how
much he loves them
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that they can turn
around and love him
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with all of their
hearts so, mild and strain.
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how do we teach our
children about the love of the
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Lord. Of course the Bible
is number one, but we've got
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to take it down to
bite pieces sometimes.
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And today we are going to
talking with Cindy Tutsch,
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from the general
conference actually from the
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Ellen White Estate, that's
right, the associate director,
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thank you so
much for coming today.
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I'm glad to be here.
Cindy why do you think
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it so important to
make Ellen White's writings
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accesable to children?
That's a good question.
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First of all where we
want to our kids to have
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more than anything else it's a
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relationship with Jesus.
knowing Jesus as a friend
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and a savior. we want
them to have an experience
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with him to believe that
he is their elder brother
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their king, their
God, And so we want to use
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every agent see that we
can find to help establish
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this relationship with God
with out kids for our kids.
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And one of the things
that we use of course as you
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mentioned is a scripture
in fact, that's primary,
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that's the most important thing
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yes that we can pass onto
it shouldn't is a love for
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the word of God for the
Bible. they can do that through
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mermory verses
learning the Bible by memory
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by wrote. So that
those precious promises
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and instructions from God
come easily to our childrens
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minds and hearts at
any time if they are alive.
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And if we can do that
by telling them the stories
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from the Bible by
singing songs and prayers
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and wishes and by
taking them out in nature
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and talking to
them about the God
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who created all of
this. Also another method
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throught which
communicate to his people
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is through the
prophetic voice and
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certainly we look first
at the prophets of the Bible
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Mathew and John
and Ezequiel and Daniel
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and all of these
wonderful wonderful prophets who
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gave us messages
straight form the heart of God.
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But according to Ephesians 4 and
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first Corinthians
12 and Romans 12 Joe 2
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there could be the
gift of prophecy that could
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come just before Jesus comes
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the kid come in
contemporary times
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then of course
that someone claims
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to have that gift and
we would want to establish
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or compare that
claim with the word of God
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the word of God always
being the primary source
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by which we evaluate
every other claim to have the
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message form the Lord.
Because the true prophet
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will never
contradict the word of God.
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Oh! yes, that's absolutely true.
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and that we don't say
that the latest prophets
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who proceeds the
word of the first prophet
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no we believe that all
that subsequent prophets
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can back to the
original script the word of God
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the scriptures, solace scripture
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that's our man
to us. absolutely.
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But if we believe
in the word of God
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that we missed also
understand that the word
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of God says that there
would be prophetic messages
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that come from
God before Jesus comes
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in other words at the time
of the end according to Joe 2.
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Seventh Day Adventist
believe that Ellen White
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that the message
that she received from God
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in over 200 visions
and dreams throughout her
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70 years of public
ministry meets those test of the
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prophet like
Isaiah 8:20 to the law
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and to the testament
you do they speak according
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to this the word of God
then if they do their could
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be lighten them other
way as their darkness.
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And then since we
believe that she passes
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these test of the
prophets then her messages
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must also have
relevant for our children.
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And therefore
harder we make her writings
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which some people
think her sort of antiquated
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you know they use
19 century language
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which means that
sense might be longer and
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the words is not commonly
express this view today.
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how we would make these
things accessible to children
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so that is they grow
older they can love books
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like the desire of
ages the story of the
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life of Christ and
bring this back again
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into scripture
that my favorite books.
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yes indeed, but if you
try to read the desire of ages
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to an eight year old
they might fall asleep
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just because the vocabulary
is not that which they
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ordinarily use and
because some of the concepts
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are deeper then with their minds
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and so yet able to assimilate.
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So, we've been
thinking about that at the way
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and straight and what can we do
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to particularly how
children understand that
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prophetic word
is also a way that
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God could speaks to
them. And one of my favorite
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ways is that easy and
it's an electronic magazine
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that we've made for kids
they are just ages 8 to 14
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it's called visionary for kids
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you can find it
on the internet at
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www.whiteestate.org/vez
so you can also find that by
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just going to our
website whiteestate.org and it's
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right there front
center on her home page
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and there you will
find visionary for kids
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you click on that and
you'll find about seven issues
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and themes like
friends, entertainment
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health, missions, our
current is on the Sabbath
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and our next issue
is on the second coming
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and we talked what
the Bible says about these
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important themes and
also and what did Ellen White
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about these things that could
be useful and helpful to kids.
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we do that through
stories through games,
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through puzzles,
through the kids have their own
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coronary where they can
post pictures and they can
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write little essays and
they can write poems and
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so it's just really fun.
So this is like an electronic
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magazine, aha, yes
and go t whiteestate.org
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and just click on the
visionaries, wait, wait.
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You see that
right in the home page
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or see visionary
for kids you know, it's
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bing and bright graphic and bold
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to can't miss it, wonderful
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you click on
that and there will be
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the current issue in PDF form
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as well as the web pages
and you can download for free
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or you can just look out
on your computer your kids can
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and then we have all of
our previous issues are all
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archives on our website.
And we've heard from kids
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we got markings, we've notices
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I am not very text that
either my project developer
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tells us that people in
over 100 countries have acces
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our site to know.
We have to say about
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Ellen White for kids,
because they are interested
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in that subject. You
know, I think this is
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fabolous because
this her favorite topic
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to arrive on was
the life of Jesus
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which is so much
she can make us story of
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Jesus life come alive, but
now this electronic magazine
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would be
something that would be good
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for people who are
Sabbath school teachers
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and looking for
material to teach the children
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and parents or grandparents
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this is just something
is a very exciting project.
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Now I know you've
been there eight years
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with the Ellen White
Estate you come from long time
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of long line of career
line i guess I should say
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of ministry that you
always had just a special heart
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for youth ministry. And
in fact, all of my career
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I've been
involved in youth ministry
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and when we another
I was youth director
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over you know, helping
with the youth activities
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for over 70
churches, I was a youth pastor
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I was a Bible
teacher, I was religion teacher
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in various schools
and I've been an out reach
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co.ordinator. So,
it's always been with kids.
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So I have a passion
for kids, I love them.
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So I think this the
very exciting project
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that you be here
and its something that
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I would imagine that some
people you don't have to be
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under the age of 12 to go
and enjoy this site, right.
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But you know
that's we are finding
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it;s actually a
regular White estate website
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which is the standard one
that everyone goes to pastor
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and people that are
interested in Ellen White
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and whatever they go out website
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Whiteestate.org, but
they invite on that website
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we have several
resources that are helpful to
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people who want to
introduce Adventist heritage
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or Ellen White
writings to children.
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we have that
what i just mentioned
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the visionary for kids
and then right underneath
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there is a CD
called meeting kids needs,
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and which we have in
plans on Adventist Heritage
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for kids from
kindergarten all the way through
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grades 12, thanks to God
yes, we have less in plans
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and with all of the
stories and a little tests
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and little quizzes
and the fun stuff and the
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the audio stories that a
teacher or path finder leader
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or Sabbath School
teacher or parents, Home School
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whatever could
use those recources
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that are on our
site to help their kids.
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And you know on
our visionayr magazine
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we also have
broadcast oh! excellent.
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yeah I traveled in many
places, I have travelled
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to 51 countries on
behalf of Whiteestate,
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and I interviewed
kids in Kuwait early teens,
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in Kuwait about
what they are doing
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for the Lord and
with and how they enjoyed
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reading Ellen Whites
writings and of course the
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scripture what is
their Bible study plan
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and things like
that. And then we thought
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we would take a group
of a very young children
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ages like 9 to 12 and
use Ellen White's book
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early writings where
she wrote very early on
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in her life, it
has a simple language
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style and we
introduce these kids
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we gave each one of
them this book early writings
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we had them sit in the circle
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and we did a
broadcast of them discussing
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her first vision,
which begans on page 13
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of early writings
and goes to page 20
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and what we did was
each of the kids have this
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book and this was
totally experienced on them
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we didn't rehearse this,
we didn't know what's going
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to happen in age 9
reading Ellen White
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you know most would say
well, you know this is a
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19th century writer,
because we aren't to be
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to able to understand
this and I say to the kids
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what we didn't you as
we can read this paragraph
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by paragraph and if you
see something that you want
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to have further explain
that you want to comment on
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it and you want
to ask a question on
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you just stop
wherever you reading
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and ask the question
or anybody in the circle
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could this question.
And you know what happened
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we had hope to make this
about maybe in 45 minutes
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to an hour those kids
got so into this story
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of the Heaven
Ellen White describe
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in what God
showed her about Heaven
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and God showing her
about their new Earth
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and knowing God
what it would be like
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in Heaven they get
so excited about it.
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And so into it
asking so many questions
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and making so many comments
that finally I had to say
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okay we'll read a
paragraph and one person can ask
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one question and then
we'll go on to the next
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paragraph. How exciting,
because we wanted them to
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get through the whole
vision in the time that we had.
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But I was astonished
of children of that age
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could understand
there were few things
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that they had questions
about and you can see that
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broascast right
on our how exciting
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electronic
visionary magazine there
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is a broadcast right
there on a issue about heaven
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and you can see these
kids asking these questions
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and I going to show
you that was not rehearse
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you know, just with the
very question had they asks
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ought to little
hearts it was going on.
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and here was so exciting
about this is and I just
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want to say for those
if you who are watching
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who may not be Seventh Adventist
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I do want to say that the
Seventh Day Adventist Church
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bases all of our
doctrines who beleives
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on the Bible not on
Ellen's White writings.
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But she does help shall I say
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she expounds on
many Bible themes,
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because she had,
God gave her such inside
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and what you
saying with the children
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is that probably something
I mean they've heard about
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the theme of
heaven, but they got excited
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because she was expounding
on this and it became more
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real and more alive
then just simply reading of
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few scriptures on
heaven this was something that
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it really start
again real to them.
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And if she brings that
details that they really
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like to hear and
about life in heaven.
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and it just as you
say it made come alive
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for them and of course
you know we do not want
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Ellen White's writings
to ever super scripture
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to take the place of
scripture that we would spend
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more time in the
writings of Ellen White
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then we would in the Bible.
We want our kids to have a
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love for the Bible. But
because Ellen White talks so
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much about scriptures and
the benefits of reading the
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Bible and that need
for us to have a strong
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devotional life the
are going to be her writing
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are going to be an agency
that leads kids to understand
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Jesus better and to
understand the Holyness and
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beauty of his character
and his plan for their lives.
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and she always points
to the Bible as being the
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primary source of
knowledge the greater lights
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you called at and she
was just a less her life.
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So this is really exciting.
So, now you also have some
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books for the children
now. Yes, yes, I wanted to
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tell you that I want
to refer back to what you
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mentioned you said
something about desire of ages
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which one of your
favorites but we really wanted
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the kids to be able
to read what we call in
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kind of Adventist
going to ocular I suppose
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the conflict series
where Ellen White starts
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patriarchs and
prophets you know beginings
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origins of sin and the
beginnings of our world
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and then prophets
and king, desire of ages,
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Axe of the Apostles
and the Great Controversy
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these are the books
that tell really the story
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from our world
form its inception
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all the way thought
to the coming of Jesus.
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But probably in language
it's going to be a little bit
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difficult for
kids to understand.
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So, we wrote those in
kids friendly language
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and conjunction with
this Seventh the Adventist
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real church
Sabbath school department
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because they wanted to use
these as auxiliary resource
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materials children for
the Sabbath Schools lessons,
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Bible lessons and the
first one the name of the
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first one I always have to look
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at my notes because I
forget the names of it
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is beginning of the
end then royalty and rule
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and then humble hero is
the name that we've given
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to the desire of
ages. And so we've only done
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three are now project director
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for his project
Bill Fagley is working on
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Axe of the
Apostles now and then the
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Great Controversy
that is my favorite book
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and I can't wait to
have children to be able to
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read that book and
language that they understand.
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So you know what I've discovered
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I disvoered this some
adults are really enjoying that
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simpler language
too as just you agreed
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to saved the same thing
it wouldn't be just to show
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a children and
audience, but I am sure
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Even though that was
our focus and our intent
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when we do well up the project
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I came to my Dad's
house a few weeks ago
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on his 90 years old,
he is very capable and
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and a good student of the Bible
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and he and his friends
were studying this book,
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I noticed on his table
the first one which was
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beginnings of the end
along with their study
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of the scripture and
I thought well that's
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Dad I said do you
like that but he said,
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because he didn't
know that it was you know,
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that we had adopted the language
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from the White estate I
said do you enjoying that
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book and he said, oh
yes he said we have a
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entity nomination to study group
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and we are
reading the Bible and also
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reading this book and he
said all of us just love it
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and I had to laugh
here is my 920 years old Dad
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enjoying this book
which we did for kids.
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that's wonderful,
it is wonderful because
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you know it will never
take the place Ellen White's
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standard words and
that's as purpose to be place
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them, but just to be in
that so that people could
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is understand her
writings in ways that maybe
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more applicable to their
vocabulary or their interest
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or their reading
level whatever and then
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and find out the
great themes of God
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because as you said,
Ellen White talks about Jesus
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talks about heaven,
talks about the planet
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and ways that
really open up our eyes.
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some people feel that C.
S. Lewis was very valuable
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to them in terms of
learning more about God.
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if that wasn't agency
that could help people
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to know about Jesus
then we say praise the Lord.
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Well, Ellen White you
know, we believe that she was
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in Agency that can
bring us back to study
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and the
scripture and knowing God.
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You know when I used to
go one of my favorite authors
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was Andrew Murray
and I loved his style of
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writing because as
I was reading I mean
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every sentence he say I thought
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Oh this I know that
scripture that comes from
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I know this scripture
like he spoken parapharise
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scripture because he
had so much scripture in him
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and then when i began to reading
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Ellen White I
found the same thing.
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As you reading through
this just so much scripture
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even though she
doesn't' every occasion
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put out the scripture referance
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its the principle of
that kind of scripture
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of paraphrase. Her
phraseology and her
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language is just
to seem in scripture
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yes that is and
its just wonderful.
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So that now are these
books already available
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for sale yes they are
you can find then at the
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Adventist book center.org
website or you can find them
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in the Adventist book
centers that are scattered
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throughout the Unites
States and through some
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parts of the world,
but you can always look
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Adventist book
center.org and find these books.
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You know it occurs me
that there are so many
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false prophets involved
today do you have something
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specifically to help
children understand and how to
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parents teach
children to judge between
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what is the true prophet of God
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and what is the
false prophet of God.
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You know several years
ago on 3ANB I hosted team
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pathways and we
went through the BIble
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in a Bible marking
plans so that but on themes
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from what happens when you die
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and to angels to
health, to salvation
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we put in out Bibles we
mark ten text for each theme
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one of those themes
was the gift of prophecy
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what does the Bible say
about prophecy and prohets
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it's an prophetic
claim what would be the test
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of a prophet if someone
claims to have a message
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form God, how would we
know that claim was authentic
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and not counterfeiter
or fornaro or whatever.
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and actually those Bible said
is that I did with the teens
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on teen pathways
it's have been put into
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a printed form its 41
Bible studies for teens
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and one of those Bible
studies is on the spirit
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of prophecy or
the gift of prophecy
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and that might be useful
so they are wanted those tests
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and that for even
Bible studies for kids
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its available
for Adventist source.
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Cindy when you were on before
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we were talking about
some of the visions that
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Ellen White and
didn't get a chance to
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there is a one that you've
kind of with it my appetite
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I've never heard the
story but it was I think to said
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her shortest vision
and it was about hillnet.
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can you show that
with us? Oh yes, didn't we.
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Ellen White's husband
died when she was about
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54 years old first she
didn't know she could caring
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on her ministry without
him because she have been
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so dependent upon
him as her companion and
00:19:15.73\00:19:18.73
her partner and her
husband he was quite devestating
00:19:18.76\00:19:22.36
blow to her but she
continue to practise
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that she and her
husband had began early
00:19:24.66\00:19:26.76
in their marriage
of inviting students
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just stay in their
home that way it made a less
00:19:28.43\00:19:31.61
expensive for them to
attend the local Christian
00:19:31.64\00:19:35.56
school and they enjoyed
living in Ellen White's home
00:19:35.59\00:19:38.87
she let them pedal
fights once a week her
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granddaughter's remember
and they you know they had
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good garden food
and they had wish him
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together also glad
that you brought that
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because some times
people think of Ellen White
00:19:47.37\00:19:49.99
is being the supreme
proper and no sense of humor
00:19:50.02\00:19:52.83
right, and it was quite
the contrary she is a very
00:19:52.86\00:19:55.33
well balanced woman,
right and kids loved her
00:19:55.36\00:19:57.60
the schools around
there where she lived
00:19:57.63\00:20:00.65
the Northern
California for the last 15 years
00:20:00.68\00:20:02.51
of her life the students
was always ask she could come
00:20:02.54\00:20:05.03
and be the speaker
even though sometimes
00:20:05.06\00:20:06.59
she was a little
bit of long wented
00:20:06.62\00:20:07.84
i mean you know we
usually make half before getting
00:20:07.87\00:20:09.91
how a devotional for a
picnic we make kind of sure
00:20:09.94\00:20:12.31
with our hand on the door and up
00:20:12.34\00:20:13.53
well a devotional
that she gave at a picnic
00:20:13.56\00:20:15.87
shortly before she past away
00:20:15.90\00:20:17.54
was 45 minutes long
and the kids have her on
00:20:17.57\00:20:19.88
everywhere do you know
she was just interesting
00:20:19.91\00:20:21.38
and she was engaging,
and she really love kids
00:20:21.41\00:20:23.36
she really enjoy to
them. Well, one girl I guess
00:20:23.39\00:20:26.30
we just call her Lisa was
living in Ellen White's home
00:20:26.33\00:20:28.79
and she past by Ellen
White's bedroom one say and some
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aren't and she saw
something in Ellen White's room
00:20:32.31\00:20:34.64
that she wanted
it wasn't expensive
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watch or beautiful
pen, it was hair net
00:20:37.12\00:20:39.72
and back in those
days and other woman often
00:20:40.54\00:20:42.38
where they hear up
and top of the head and
00:20:42.41\00:20:44.37
in kind of donate
looking thing and covered with a
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hair net and this
was a very well made one
00:20:47.52\00:20:49.30
and a nice silk hair net
so Lisa wanted this hair net
00:20:49.33\00:20:53.37
and she just stole it you know
00:20:53.40\00:20:55.20
scrunched it up in her
hand took it back and put it in
00:20:55.23\00:20:57.60
her trun, in her bedroom.
Well, Ellen White was quite
00:20:57.63\00:21:00.81
an organized individual
and she came back to he room
00:21:00.84\00:21:05.03
when she was
getting ready to go out
00:21:05.06\00:21:06.28
and looked for that
hair net and it wasn't there
00:21:06.31\00:21:08.68
and I can imagine that
you know she is looking here
00:21:08.71\00:21:10.82
and there thinking
maybe the wind blow it
00:21:10.85\00:21:12.57
and those kind of thing
so that night it worship
00:21:12.60\00:21:15.04
after they
played that pump organ
00:21:15.07\00:21:16.90
and I've been at
Ellen White's home
00:21:16.93\00:21:18.31
it's been restored its an
actual historical landmark
00:21:18.34\00:21:22.26
because it was
restored authentically and
00:21:22.29\00:21:25.13
the pump organ is there
you can see the old furniture
00:21:25.16\00:21:28.00
you know where
they used to sit around
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and read the Bible
stories and saying and
00:21:29.21\00:21:31.57
after the end of
their family devotional time
00:21:31.60\00:21:34.42
in the evening Ellen
White said has any one seen
00:21:34.45\00:21:37.01
my hair net then
no one answered to her
00:21:37.04\00:21:39.75
the next day Ellen White
was blocking by Lisa's bedroom
00:21:41.11\00:21:44.64
then Ellen White heard
a voice and the voice said
00:21:44.67\00:21:48.09
look in Lisa's trunk. Now
Ellen White was not a busy
00:21:48.12\00:21:51.79
body she wasn't
that police officer
00:21:51.82\00:21:53.47
and she kind of resisted
that ways she kept walking
00:21:53.50\00:21:56.39
and then the voice
came back to hear clearly
00:21:56.42\00:21:58.75
look in Lisa's trunk.
Now this time she recognized
00:21:58.78\00:22:02.89
that as the voice
of the angel guide
00:22:02.92\00:22:04.58
they was often with her
in vision the commentator
00:22:04.61\00:22:07.70
that told her the
various things that she was seen
00:22:08.57\00:22:11.75
she decided she
probably should listen
00:22:12.68\00:22:14.19
and she went back in the
bedroom in Lisa's bedroom
00:22:15.36\00:22:17.27
and she opened the trunk
and of course there on the
00:22:17.30\00:22:19.02
top tray was
that missing hair net.
00:22:19.05\00:22:21.71
So she just loved it there
and close the trunk back up
00:22:23.08\00:22:25.55
that night when she
after the pump organ and
00:22:26.93\00:22:28.96
after the
stories of from the Bible
00:22:28.99\00:22:31.17
and the songs the scripture
and the prayer by the way
00:22:31.20\00:22:36.05
Ellen White's
always wanted to keep
00:22:36.08\00:22:37.67
family worship short
and sweat she wanted to kids
00:22:37.70\00:22:39.73
the liked she wanted
to be a happy and joyful
00:22:39.76\00:22:42.33
time and she don't
wanted to be long in tedious.
00:22:42.36\00:22:44.42
So, the idea of the 45
minutes devotional before the
00:22:45.54\00:22:48.62
picnic that was not
something that she repeated in
00:22:49.22\00:22:51.19
every evening photoframe
or no, definitely not.
00:22:51.22\00:22:53.79
definitely not. And so
again she ask the question
00:22:53.82\00:22:58.06
has anyone seen my hair
net and no one answered to her.
00:22:58.09\00:23:02.69
So a few days later
Ellen White was writing
00:23:04.24\00:23:07.57
some that new script that
probably based on her visions
00:23:07.60\00:23:10.07
she had had
perhaps it was a letter
00:23:10.10\00:23:11.45
to someone she
often wrote letters
00:23:11.48\00:23:13.03
to council to individuals
and she had her shortest
00:23:13.06\00:23:15.82
vision and in this vision
she saw Caressing Lantering
00:23:15.85\00:23:19.84
and the Rick of
course with springing
00:23:20.86\00:23:22.64
she saw a girls hand holding
a hair net over this open
00:23:22.67\00:23:27.91
flame the hair net was
dropped down into that globe
00:23:27.94\00:23:32.20
of the caressing
lantern and of course it being
00:23:32.23\00:23:34.46
a natural fiber it
immediately burned up
00:23:34.49\00:23:37.45
completely. So
now Ellen White knew
00:23:37.48\00:23:39.93
what it happened to
the hair net that was
00:23:39.96\00:23:42.01
in Lisa's trunk, oh no.
So that night after wishing
00:23:42.04\00:23:45.90
Ellen White asks the third time
00:23:45.93\00:23:47.37
has any one seen my hair net?
00:23:47.40\00:23:49.30
and when no one replied
she said Lisa I'l like to
00:23:50.16\00:23:52.52
talk with you and Lisa stay back
00:23:52.55\00:23:56.11
and Ellen White said you know,
00:23:56.14\00:23:57.62
God showed me Lisa
that you took my hair net
00:23:59.19\00:24:02.53
he showed me that
you put it your trunk
00:24:03.36\00:24:04.89
and then he showed
me that you bring it up
00:24:05.79\00:24:08.37
and she began to cry and
she said oh! sister White
00:24:10.33\00:24:11.93
because they called
her by that effection
00:24:11.96\00:24:13.66
oh sister White I was
so shamed when you started
00:24:13.69\00:24:18.27
about it, I did steal it, I
saw it, I wanted, I took it,
00:24:18.30\00:24:21.61
but we stood asking
about I was so shamed.
00:24:22.34\00:24:23.87
I didn't want you find
out about, so I just wanted to
00:24:23.90\00:24:25.87
get rid of it. So, I
bruned it out and she said
00:24:25.90\00:24:28.23
will you forgive
me? And you know,
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those who think of
Ellen White is kind of a
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domineering
ridgered, not very nice person
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might have thought, at that
point she stampered her feet
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and say no way, no cookies
for you this time for a week or
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whatever you know,
but no she took Lisa
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in her arms and she
told her Lisa you know
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of course I forgive
you but the God of heaven
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who created all the
galaxies space and the my Lisa
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like a lady bird they
are everything in our world.
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loved you so much that he
sent a message to me so that
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you could make this
right because according to
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Isaiah 59:1 are sins
can separate us from God
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not because he doesn't
love us but because those sins
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stand in a way of our
perceiving that wonderful
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love of God. you know
that really impressed Lisa
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and she thought up to
that time that she was pretty
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good moral person,
she went to church,
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she paid her tide you
know, she was about as good
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a candidte to escape hell
as any she didn't understand
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the wonderful love of
Jesus for her and then he died
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for her individually
specifically and then when
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she did wrong it
grieve the heart to God
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and who care to
love about that too.
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Well his messengers knows
that Lisa can make that right
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I thought it was you
know, because the biographers
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that actually was
pivotal experience
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in Jesus' life and
then she came up a commited
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wholeheartedly
bring a Christian to Jesus
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and I thought you
know isn't at the work
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of a prophet, yes to
put their arms around us
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and tell us that God's love this
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and to direct this to
the wonderful love of Jesus.
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But also according t
first Corinthians for 18:3
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the wake of the
prophet is to give us worth of
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edification on
instruction as well as comfort
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Jeremiah 23 says
that are false prophet
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is going to say I'm okay
you're okay, we're all okay
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in other words the
false prophet is going to
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declare peace,
but there is no peace
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he is going to tell us
that we are right with God
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when we haven't made
things right with God
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and we haven't
asked him for forgive us
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since and we haven't
accepted him as our savior.
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So, I think you know as I
read that first corinthians
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4:18:3 I think the prophets
where it can sort of like
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tree like a stool
without all three legs the
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stools getting tape over
and it included edification
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it includes instruction
and it includes comfort.
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we need all three
elements to be a true prophet.
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here I am so thankful
that we're here today to
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share this with us all
o the exciting things that
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the Ellen White Estate is
doing to make her writings
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more accessful to
children in the style
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what they can enjoy
Cindy thank you so much.
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again for being here.
thanks for inviting me.
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You know for
those of you at home
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I didn't up in
the Adventist Church
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and I know that
one of my big questions
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coming into the church
was how I would recieved
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the writings of
Ellen White and as I have
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become more familiar with
her writing that one thing
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that I appreciate so much
is that she always heralded
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the Bible as or
stand with of truth
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and that is the
standard by which we live
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and her standard by
which are true discovered
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is the Bible and
the Bible only as far as
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the foundation for
truth but praise the Lord
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that he has not he hasn't
left us without of prophetic
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gift in these and
times the gift of prophecy
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is still a valuable gift
and we certainly see that
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it was a gift that
was given to Ellen White,
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who is one of the
founders of this Seventh Day
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Adventist church. I
hope you've enjoyed this
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time with Cindy too.
We are going to try to get
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her back again and
please us again, bye, bye.
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