Hi, I am Shelley
Quinn. Please join us today
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On Issues and Answers
as we talk about wonderful
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stories of the
Adventist Heritage.
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I don't care how
old you are. We all seem
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to enjoy stories of the past.
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Stories that - have to
do with something about
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our heritage and you
know the Bible even tells us
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in Jeremiah at 31:21 "Set
up for yourself road signs
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look back and turn your
heart toward the highway
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that you came on and
this is what we're going to
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do today, is retrace our
steps of Adventist Heritage
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with our very special
guest Dr. Cindy Tutsch.
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And Cindy, so glad
to have you back again.
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Now you are the
Associate Director for the
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Ellen G. White
Estate. That's right.
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Its located at
the general conference
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which is
Adventist World Headquarters
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in Silver spring, Maryland.
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And Ellen White was one
of, I mean she is probably
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the most
translated female author.
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I think in the world I thought.
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Yes, indeed. In fact, her
her's book Steps to Christ;
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The devotional
book, "Steps to Christ"
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has been translated
in over a 150 languages.
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How wonderful? Now
she was also one of the
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founders for the
Adventist Church.
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That's right. As
a group of people,
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interdenominational
people came together in
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Bible study and then
started the advent movement.
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Now Tell me before
we get started here
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how long have you been with the
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Ellen White Institute now.
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I've been there for
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eight and half years already.
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Alright. And you came from?
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I came from
Washington State where I was
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Youth Director that
means I was the Director for
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youth activities for the
Seventh-day Adventist Church
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around the Seattle area.
The Washington conference
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we called it which was
about seven-day Churches
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there and I directed
youth activities and before that
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I was a Pastor and before
that I was a Bible teacher.
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Wonderful. So you
always had, I know you have
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three children of your
own and you've always been
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drawn to youth
ministry, haven't you?
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That's right. That's wonderful.
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I love kids. So
tell us a little bit
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about our heritage as Adventist.
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You know I love these
stories because I think
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they kind of help us identify
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with a very special
spiritual pioneers and
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the heritage that we have -
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I think of Joshua 4,
where after the God had
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Miraculously part
of the Jordan River and
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Israelites had gone through it,
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then the Lord instructed
them to take twelve stones
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out of the River
and build an alter
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and every time they
saw that alter it reminder
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to them of the
wonder that God had done
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in helping them to
get across that river
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and into the promise land.
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And so these
stories I think I just
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reminders to us that
what God has done for
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our people for our
denomination to bring us
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together to be
Herald of the good news
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that Jesus is coming soon.
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Amen. And which story do
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you want to start with today?
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Well, the story that I
think I would like to begin with
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happened probably around
1845, before they are even
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was a
seventh-day Adventist Church.
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It was after the
great disappointment of
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October 22,
1844. When the -- had
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preached that Jesus
would come on that date
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He had not come and
so the Adventist were
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a little bit
distress. There were no
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Seventh-Day
Adventist at this time.
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These were groups of
people from many different
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denominations who
would look forward to the
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coming of Jesus. And
about two months after that
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great disappointment,
young 17 year old Ellen Harmon
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had a vision, a
special message from God
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in which he told
her about this path
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going from earth up
to the New Jerusalem
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and the believers
were walking on this path
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and some were falling
off into the dark road below
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And after she
came out of that vision
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that message from
God. About a week later
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God called her to a
special ministry for him
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And as a
prophetic minister for God.
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But of course, you
know, she is 17 years old
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she is weak. She is a woman
and the day when woman have
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little
credibility. She is uneducated.
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And so there were
some persons who wondered
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that you have too
much pickles and ice cream
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the night before. Did she
really have a message from God?
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And my story today
concerns establishing
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Ellen White's
credibility, not by feelings and
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emotions, that
by the word of God.
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And you know I
want to just point out
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because many of our viewers,
and our audience are not
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Seventh-Day
Adventist so I do want to
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point out that Seventh-Day
Adventist based all of our
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doctrines on the
Bible. And one think that
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we appreciate about
Ellen White as one of the
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founders of this Church
is that, she did as well
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And she wrote
believe we were talking about
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this earlier today that
she wrote about Jesus Christ
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most and then the
Holy Spirit was her second
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That's right.
Most favorite topic,
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That's right. And
she always pointed
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back to the scriptures.
And she never wanted to
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elevate her
writings above the scriptures
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Oh! it's called
herself a lesser life
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pointing into the greater life.
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Exactly, the
Scriptures, even her
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language in which
she writes is just
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seeped in scripture
because she was such a
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student of the Bible. Yes, Amen.
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Well, this certainly after
Ellen White was called to this
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Prophetic ministry
a group of Adventists
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in the Boston
area developed some
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Fanatical teachings.
They believed that they were
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holy and sinless and that
they could not sin because
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they had been set apart
and they were beyond the
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power of temptation.
And they also believe
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that the year of
jubilee had come which meant
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that the men could do
no work during that year.
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So you know,
wouldn't this to be kept?
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The women do it.
You know, they couldn't
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go out and get jobs.
And people were saying
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how can we do this?
How will we support our
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families? And they
said, well they are the
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rich. So, just sell
everything they have and give
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to the rest of us
and we can all go for
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whole year without
working. So, there is ahead
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of the Adventist
believers there just
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South of Boston
named Mr. Nichols who
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thought may be Ellen
Herman could be helpful in
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counter-acting and combating
some of this fanaticism.
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So, he invited her and
one of her sisters, Sara to
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come to his house.
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The name of these
leaders of this fanatical
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movement was Mr.
Sir- John and Mr. Robbins.
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And they had always
said, Ellen Herman because
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that was her maid name. Right.
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They had always said
that her visions were devil.
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And she were in their
presence then she could not
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possibly had a vision.
And they also said that
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they were the, called
to be the leaders of this
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movement. But this said
that if they ever had the
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opportunity to see her,
they would be very grateful
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because they knew that she
can have never have a vision
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in their presence
because they were of the God
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and she was of the
devil. Well, here they are
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sitting in the living
room, visiting and they ain't
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Mr. Nichols sees
the carriage coming down
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the lane and here
it is this Mr. Sir John
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and Mr. Robbins
and he thinks oh great,
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you know Ellen Herman
is here. We can all visit.
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We can talk. We can
say the Bible together.
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And may be we can, you
know, work out some of these
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difficulties. So, he
went out to meet them.
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And they said, ohh yeah
we're So glad to be here with
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we could spend the
night at your house,
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and he said great. He
said, you will be glad to know
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that Ellen Herman is
here. Mr. Robbins looked to
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Mr. Sir John and Mr. Sir-
John looked to Mr. Robbins
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and he said, we just
remembered that we have
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another
appointment down the roadways
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And Mr. Nichols
said, what's up with that?
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You know, I thought
you wanted to come in.
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I thought you're
going to spend the night.
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Oh! No, no. I
wouldn't come in for lot more
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many. So he said,
when are you going to meet
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this Ellen Herman who
later became known Ellen White.
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They said, well, just
have her come up to Boston
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this next Sunday. And
she can speak to all of the
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Adventists that
are gathered together
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at that time.
And he said, alright.
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So when Mr. Nichols told
Ellen Herman, and she said
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fine. We all will
be happy to do this.
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and so everything
was good, but that night
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Ellen Herman had a
very short vision in which
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God told her not
to go North to Boston
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but to go South
about 20 miles to a town
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called Randolph.
But when she told
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Mr. Nichols
about this the next day
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he was really perplexed
because they had already,
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you know, made the
commitment that they were going
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to go up to Boston. And he
thought all the people think
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you know, if we just
don't show up you know,
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no cell phones and
no internet, no way,
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no telephones, no
way to let people know
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you are not coming.
But he believes that
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Ellen Herman's
visions were of God because
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they had been
tested by the word of God.
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And he thought
well, may be God has
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purpose in this.
So on Sunday they went
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down to Randolph
and as they approached
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the door of Mr.
Thayer, where they were going
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to meet. They heard
singing and the singing
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was quite loud and
they opened the door just as
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Mr. Robbins was telling
all the people who were now
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gathered in this
town South of Boston
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that Ellen Herman's
vision were of the devil and he
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looked at with great
surprise to see them because he;
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This was the very man that had
agreed to meet her in Boston.
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Exactly. And he
had gone Southway,
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right; so this just a
little prank, you know, this is
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going to be very funny
he thought that she and her
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little entourage, would go
up to Boston and nobody would be
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there. So, he of course was
very startled to see her there
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in Randolph and all
the people wanted to hear
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her speak and to hear about her
visions and her communications
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that she had had from God and
to give them a scriptural study.
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Of course, Mr. Sir John and
Mr. Robbins were not eager to
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have this happen at all.
So he said, okay, after lunch,
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after lunch. Well, after
lunch as Ellen Herman got up
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to speak. She was carried
off into vision and it turned
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out to be the longest
vision that she ever had lasted
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four hours. And some of
her visions were just a few
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moments but this one
was 4 hours, but Mr. Robbins
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and Mr. Sir John were so
eager for it to not happen
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that they tried to leave
the congregation in singing
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they would talk louder
then they could so that no one
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would hear her speaking
because sometimes when she
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had a vision she would
describe that she was seen.
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And here the people were
wanting to hear that so much.
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The Robins and Mr. Sir John,
they were trying to read from
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scriptures until their
voices has got hoarse, but they
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didn't drowned out her
voice and the people were saying
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my, you know that she is
speaking with a hope and faith
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and courage and talking to
us about the Lord and quoting
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from scripture and why
could you say that this is
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of the devil, you know, by
your fruits you shall know them.
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And you know she is
not speaking anything as
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contradictory to Scripture.
Now then this Mr. Thayer
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whose home they were
in. He wasn't quite sure,
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you know, what to think
and he had heard that if he put
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an open Bible on
someone who was in a vision that
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if it was of the devil they
would come out of immediately.
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So, he suggested to Mr.
Sir John that he do that,
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but Mr. Sir John
would have nothing of it.
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So, Mr. Thayer went over
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and he put the open
Bible on Ellen Herman who was
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kind of reclining in a
chair that moment and describing
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the things that she was seeing
as God portrayed them to her.
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And when you put this
big heavy family Bible like
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we have in those days.
On her, she picked it up,
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stood up and she was Freya
woman. Her health was not good
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she weighed about 80 pounds.
She held this Bible up over
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her head for her
granddaughter says, over an
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hour we don't know if that's
the case but at least there
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was a very long time.
And was quoting from the
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scripture as she turned
the page but she couldn't see
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the Bible because it
was up above her head.
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So you know what the folks
did, they grabbed chairs, jumped
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on the chairs, looked over,
and peep down to see if where
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her finger was and where
she was quoting was actually
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what the scripture
said and sure enough it was.
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And she talked about the wonder
of heaven and the richness
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of salvation, through faith
in Christ alone and then she
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started talking about
the judgment of the in time,
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you know, when those who were
doing wicked things would be
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called to judgment. And of
course this made Mr. Robins
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and Mr. Sir John extremely
uncomfortable and you know,
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when she came out of
that vision, the people
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expected Mr. Robbins and
Mr.- Sir John to probably go to
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the front and confess that
they had been wrong and this
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was a beautiful gift of
God, to kind of identify and
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strengthen the fledgling
movement. But none of that
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they just gone to slunk
out and left. But it was a real
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crossroads in the early
Adventist history because
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it helped the people establish
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their faith
that God had actually
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called this young woman
to the prophetic ministry.
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Not necessarily from
the external phenomenon that
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she didn't breath for
instance Right. Like Daniel
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didn't breath when he was
in vision or the fact that
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that her eyes were open while
in vision and she could talk
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but she didn't breath. Well,
it wasn't that those physical
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phenomena as striking as
that was. It was did, what she
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said harmonized with the
way they thought. Amen, With the
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scriptures. And you
know, I went at the Ellen White
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Institute and I have seen
that the size of that Bible
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and the idea of trying
to hold it for minutes your
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arm would be.
Exactly. Absolutely, even I've
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heard this is true but
I've heard that, that they had
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strong men try to do
this who just couldn't even
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hold it up for an hour.
Right. Now that particular Bible
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that you saw at the Ellen White
Estate, that is not the same
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Bible that she held when
she was at this family's home.
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That Bible was probably a
little bit smaller still much
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bigger than the Bibles
that, you and I use, yes, but
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probably not as big as
the one that you saw at
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the estate. That Bible
that you saw was the very Bible
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she did hold up in
a subsequent vision.
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And sure enough Mr.
Miraca, who once came to the
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Ellen White Estate was not
able to hold it up like this
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longer than two and half
minutes. But again you know
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those physical phenomena
as striking and interesting
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as they are. Right. Are
not the most important thing
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why? Because they
can also counterfeit,
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absolutely, miracled. That's
good point. So it has to be
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in conjunction with
God's words. Absolutely.
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That is the most important
thing. So this little frank
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that they pulled on her,
trying to send Ellen White
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to Boston while they
went down to South to
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discredit her. It totally
backfired on them because
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the Lord spoke to
her in a short vision
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telling her where to go.
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Exactly. So, Amen. I hope
those lunatics in that group
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were eventually called out
of the Church where they worked.
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Actually I think they
fell away because we don't hear
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any more from them. The
Adventist group continue to
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swell and to
strengthen of course ultimately
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colonizing into a
denomination in 1863.
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Now you mentioned though
Cindy, that they were meeting
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on Sunday. Yes. And we all
know that one of the things,
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of course they were at
that time just called Adventist.
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Right. But we are now
known today as a Seventh-Day
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Adventist. How did
the Seventh-Day, you have
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the story on the
Seventh-Day Sabbath and how this
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actually began to come in
and be embraced by the Church
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as a true Bible doctrine. Right.
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Well it happened in a little
mountain village of Washington
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New Hampshire. There
was a group of Adventists
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there who were looking forward
to the coming of Jesus but
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who were meeting on Sunday
and the school teacher there
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named, her name was
Delight, and her mother
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Rachel Oakes
Preston came to visit.
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Now Rachel Oakes Preston
was a seventh day Baptist,
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but there were no seventh day
Baptist Churches there and so
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she went with her
daughter to this little kind of
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Congregational Church there
in Washington, New Hampshire.
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And in the afternoon,
the Pastor came to visit her
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as the new
person in town. Right.
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And as she was sitting
there in her rocking chair,
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she said Brother Wheeler,
his name is Frederick Wheeler,
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brother Wheeler, while
you were preaching I could
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scarcley contain myself.
You say that we should keep
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all Ten Commandments,
but you yourself constantly
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break on of them. Now of
course, he was indignant,
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answered whatever do
you mean and she said, well,
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you know, she said,
you keep the first day in
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contradiction to the
plain word of God which
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clearly states that the
Seventh-Day is the Sabbath
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of the Lord Thy God. Well,
you know, this really peaked
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Frederick Wheeler's interest,
so he went home and began
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studying about this and
as he was studying he would
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come back to his little
Sunday keeping Adventist Church
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there and preach about
what he was discovering.
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And ultimately two
young men in his congregation
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Cyrus and William Farnsworth
stood up in front of the
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people that they had known
all of their lives and said,
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we want to keep the
Seventh-Day Sabbath of the
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Fourth Commandment. Well,
in the mean time a man named
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Thomas Preble, wrote a very
strongly worded tracked based
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on scripture and supporting
Seventh-Day Sabbath observance
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and this tract fell into
the hands of Joseph Bates.
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Now Joseph Bates was a
man of action. He was formerly
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a sea Captain. He owned his
own little shipping business.
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But he sold that retired
and put all of his money into
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the cause of God, I mean
he was zealous, you know,
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the Lord is coming. We
want people to know that.
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We want people to give their
hearts to Christ, while theirs
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yet time and I mean he was
an Evangelist on fire for God.
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And he was a prominent leader
in this group of Adventist,
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no Seventh-day Adventist
remember. But he came into
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this tract that Thomas
Preble had written, read it
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through and as he is reading
this track, and studying this
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track, he becomes
convicted of the validity of the
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Seventh-Day Sabbath. And he
knew that this little group over
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Washington, New Hampshire
had adopted the Seventh-Day
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Sabbath and he thought,
well, I want to talk to them.
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So he just took up from
his little town of New Bedford,
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Massachusetts. We
don't know how he got there,
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may be on foot, may be
above on horse back, may be
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partially by boat. He
meets the Farnsworth there and
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the biographer tells us
under a stand of maple trees
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there are in a little
village I have been there
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several times in
Washington, New Hampshire.
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He talked with him about
the Sabbath all afternoon.
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They stayed up half the
night talking about the Sabbath,
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and by the end he
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was committed to keeping
the Seventh-Day Sabbath holy.
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Alright. So, he
finishes visiting with these new
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Adventist believers,
remember there is no organized
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denomination of Seventh-day
Adventist that in a sense we
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can call them the first
Seventh-day Adventist because
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they looked forward
to the coming of Lord
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and they also kept the
Seventh-Day Sabbath. So, he
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gets home by whatever
means and he was walking across
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the bridge that spans
the river that goes to his
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little town of New Bedford
and a man named Mr. Hall, accost
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and he says, what's the news
Captain Bates, and of course,
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Joseph Bates being
overly the Evangelist
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said the news the
Seventh-day is the Sabbath of
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the Lord Thy God and Mr.
Hall, goes, what you know,
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and so of course here Mr.
Bates, Joseph Bates gives him a
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Bible study about the Sabbath
right there on the bridge
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and Mr. Hall, becomes
Joseph Bates first convert
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to the Seventh-day Sabbath,
the of the sanctity of the
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Seventh-day Sabbath. In
the meantime Joseph Bates went
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home and thought, you know,
I can only be here and here
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and here, but if I write
something like you, shall I
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when you write books they
go everywhere and he thought if
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I write a little
pamphlet or a little book on the
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Seventh-day Sabbath that
could go many places that
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I couldn't go. The problem was
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he know, he
spent all of his money.
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So, he is sitting there,
trying to figure this out and
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starting to study and
think how he is going to put
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together this book when
his wife, Puddins, comes in
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and she says, I
need some flower Joseph,
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I have to finish out my baking,
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and he said, how much do
you need and she said ohh
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probably about 4 pounds.
So he went into the kitchen
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and picked up a six quote
milk pan and toss off down
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to the store to get the
flower comes back she was out,
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so he just let it there on
the counter in the kitchen and
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goes back to a study and
he is sitting there, beginning
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this little book.
He is going to write on
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Seventh-day Sabbath,
and pretty soon she comes
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and you know hands on
hips and she says, Joseph,
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where did the
flower come from? He said,
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well, I bought it and
she said, well you bought
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four pounds of flower.
You who have been all over
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the world on the shipping
industry and you used to
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buying a 100 barrels of
flowers and you bring just
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this little pile of
flowers. Little did she realize?
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She didn't realize.
She didn't know that he had
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put their whole fortune
into the gospel. And so then
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he confided to her.
You know, I spent my last
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Shilling, a York
Shilling, was worth about
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twelve and half
cents in those days.
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He said, I spent my
last Shilling on this flower.
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And that was all, the
flower he could afford. Yeah.
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So, she burst into tears
and she goes. Oh! Joseph,
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you know, whatever
shall we do and. He says
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the Lord will provide and
she starts crying and said,
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Oh, Lord! That's
what you always say
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the Lord will
provide. Well, in the
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meantime, he is thinking,
he has an impression that
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may be there is many for
him waiting at the post office.
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Just an impression that he
thought came from the Lord.
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So he goes down to the
post office and asked if
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there is mail and yes,
there was a lot of from him.
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But in those days you
didn't have to pay a postage
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you could pay it,
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if you wanted or you
could leave the postage off and
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then the person who
received the letter had to pay
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the postage. So, he discovers
that there is, the postage
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has not been paid and
he said to the post master,
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well, I can't take the letter
because I don't have any money
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pay for it and I'm sure
the post master just thought,
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well he just left his money
at home. I'm sure he didn't
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realize because absolutely
broke and he says no, just
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take it, you can pay me next
time you come in, but Joseph
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Bates didn't want to go
into debt and so he said, no
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I tell you what? You open
the letter and if there is
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any money in it then you
can take out the postage.
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So, the post master opens
the letter and sure enough
00:21:03.74\00:21:07.25
and here is $10.
Which was a lot money
00:21:07.28\00:21:09.62
back then.
Absolutely, a lot of money.
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And so they took out the
postage and Mr. Bates, thinks
00:21:11.79\00:21:16.54
I think I'll surprise my wife.
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So, he goes back to the
store and he orders all these,
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this time a whole barrel of
flower, a big bag of potatoes
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and some sugar and you
know all kinds of staples.
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And he must had quite a
sense of humor because he said,
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to the delivery boy, he
said, now you just take it to
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my house and put it on the porch
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and my wife is going
to come with a answer
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it doesn't belong to us but you
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just put it there
anyway. And then he
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slid back into his
study to keep writing on his
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Sabbath document. So
the, delivery man comes to the
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door and the wife
says, Oh! no, you know,
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we don't do this. This is
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not ours, we didn't
pay for it, you know,
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and she just can't imagine why
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he leaves the stuff there and
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she comes back to tell Joseph,
you know, her husband look
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at, look at all
these stuff and she says
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where did it come from?
And he got a twinkle his eyes
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and he said, well you
know I told you, the Lord will
00:22:01.18\00:22:02.99
provide. Amen. So then he
00:22:03.02\00:22:05.17
told her the story
of this, what seemed
00:22:05.20\00:22:07.57
to him to be a miracle
that God had provided for their
00:22:07.60\00:22:10.71
needs and she too was a
kind of ashamed of her lack of
00:22:10.74\00:22:13.96
faith and realized that,
yes, God was going to give them
00:22:13.99\00:22:17.85
the courage and the faith
and afford to keep pressing
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on to carry out this mission
that they believe that God
00:22:20.95\00:22:24.18
had given to them. And so
Joseph Bates wrote the rest
00:22:24.21\00:22:28.23
of that tract he printed it,
he published it and sent out a
00:22:29.42\00:22:31.97
thousand of copies of it on
money that was sent to him from
00:22:32.00\00:22:35.23
various sources miraculously
and that tract came into
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the hands of Ellen and
James White. And at first
00:22:40.98\00:22:44.52
they kind of resisted Oh!
You know, how can this be,
00:22:44.55\00:22:47.13
you know, we have
kept Sunday all of our
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life. It's easy for anyone
to resist truth that is contrary
00:22:49.11\00:22:55.67
to your foundational
believe system. It's very
00:22:55.70\00:23:00.11
difficult because not
growing up an Adventist.
00:23:00.14\00:23:02.39
I went through, of
course the Lord was the one who
00:23:02.42\00:23:04.69
took me into a deep study.
00:23:04.72\00:23:06.09
It wasn't someone else
trying to teach me but it was
00:23:06.12\00:23:09.07
something that, you know,
when you have these pivotal
00:23:09.10\00:23:13.67
believes, it's like, Wow!
These pillars I should say
00:23:13.70\00:23:17.34
believes. And somebody comes
along says know what you've
00:23:17.37\00:23:20.78
known in recognize this truth
all your life is not truth.
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That's a difficult thing.
You have to be really open to
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the Holy Spirit.
Absolutely. Because otherwise,
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it's kind of, well, what
did my grandparents do and
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my great-grandparents.
I know that when my father
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became a Seventh-day Adventist
there were no Seventh-day
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Adventist in his entire
family, none whatsoever. And his
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father came to my dad
and said, you know, you are
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going to give up the religion
of our ancestors because that
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religion had gone back
you know for many generations.
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And my dad said, I am
building on what I have
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learnt as a child.
Amen. Amen. And ultimately
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his father
acknowledged to my dad that yes,
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I can see that
the Seventh-day is the
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Sabbath. We do
acknowledge with that.
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So, go ahead.
I'm sorry didn't mean
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to interrupt, but
Joseph. Joseph Bates
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wrote that article that
that little booklet that he
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distributed widely.
Ellen and James White read
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that pamphlet. They
weren't quite sure about it.
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Joseph Bates came up
and studied with him and as
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they studied it together and
looked at those beautiful text
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that commemorate the
Sabbath throughout scripture.
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And they saw that there
was no injunctions to keep the
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first day of the week.
They too decided to become
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Seventh-day Sabbath keepers.
And they ended up founding
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the Seventh-day Adventist
Church. So it was Ellen White,
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her husband James White
and Joseph Bates, who were
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the founders of our
Seventh-day Adventist.
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I love it. I think that's
one of my favorite stories,
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but you know, I just want
to show one scripture with
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our viewers because this
is the scripture that's one of
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my favorites about the
Sabbath that he says, truly
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you shall keep my Sabbath.
This is Exodus 31:13. For it
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is the sign between you
and me that I the Lord your God
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sanctify you. And you
know, to be sanctified is to be
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made Holy and I think a
lot of us try to make our own
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selves Holy. And we forget
the Jeremiah 13:23 says, we can
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change ourselves any more than
Ethiopian can change the spots
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over his skin or lipid
change spots. And for me
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coming into the truth about
the Sabbath in the first time
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I celebrated the Sabbath.
This was that entering that
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rest of really acknowledging,
yes, Lord you're working in
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me and willing to act
according to your good
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pleasure. It's
you that you're gonna
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scantify me. It's by
your power that I'm kept.
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It was such a
beautiful thing to learn this.
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And I've just loved
that story and you know,
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our keeping the Sabbath is
not some means of legalism or
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works righteousness.
No. It's a response to the
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wonderful grace of
Jesus in saving us. And when
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he says, if you love
me. In John 14:15, keep my
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commandments and we so
eager to do that because he
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has done everything for
us and we want to follow his
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in his foot steps. We
want to do what he did.
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It's kind a like when
Pual told in Galatians 3:3,
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where he said, You foolish,
Galatians having begun in
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this spirit or you now trying
to justify yourself by works
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of the foolish. Well, if
all Christians are honest,
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we kind of get into
the demure, sometimes
00:26:24.38\00:26:27.08
and feel like we need to do
00:26:27.11\00:26:28.08
more for God, do
more for God. And praise
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the Lord the Sabbath is
that set apart that when
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you really are celebrating
the Sabbath for the purposes
00:26:34.38\00:26:36.78
for which God setted
apart that's what gives you that
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aha, moment again reminding
mind yourself and totally
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depended upon the Lord my
God. Yes, yes. And you know
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I also think about I can not
tell a lie. I have a workaholic
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I try my best not to
be, but if you were not
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for the Sabbath and
knowing that I, God gives me
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permission to have
that day off just, yes, to
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celebrate my
relationship with him.
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I think worked myself
right into it. So even says,
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logically the Sabbath of
benefit. One day and seven,
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you just concentrate on
a relationship with Jesus.
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I think one think that
I appreciate so much about
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the Joseph Bates story
is, his wife and you know,
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it's so easy when you know,
you got your last penny here.
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You do spin it to think how
I am going to do it, into help
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somebody that whose
faith is stronger at the moment
00:27:24.82\00:27:27.42
say that the Lord will
provide it's so easy to
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think how, but he
always does. Amen.
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Cindy we are
already out of time.
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You are a great storyteller.
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I can tell you used to
ministering the children but
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that energy is so wonderful.
Thank you so much again
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for begin here.
It's my pleasure.
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We appreciate you
will come back. Absolutely.
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Oh! Wonderful. For
those you at home I hope that
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you've enjoyed this
Adventist Heritage stories
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and she has got more. We
are going to have to tell
00:27:51.29\00:27:53.44
have her work that was
into the other programs
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here because it's so wonderful
00:27:55.79\00:27:57.86
to see the way in
which we led and to
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follow that
highway. Now may the grace of
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our Lord Jesus Christ,
the loving the father at
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the fellowship
of the Holy Spirit
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be with you today
and always. Good Bye.
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