Hi I'm Shelley
Quinn, inviting you
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to join us today, on Issues
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and Answers, as we
discuss Intercessory Prayer.
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And how you by participating may
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change the lives,
of your loved ones.
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If you're like me, you
have a family member. Who
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you wish could know the
joy of a personal relationship
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with the Lord. What
do you do when you have
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someone like that in
your life, you know you can't
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take a fiddle and beat
somebody over the head,
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to convince them how
beautiful the music is,
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nor can you take the
Bible and beat someone over the
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head to convince them
how much God loves them,
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but one thing you can do
is pray for them and that's
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what we're going to
be talking about today
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on Issues and Answers
is Intercessory Prayer.
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You know this is
something that we are commanded
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to pray for others and
according to Samuel it's
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even a sin when we don't
pray for others, let me share
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a scripture with you
from First Samuel 12 verse 23
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he writes, more over as
for me far be it from me that
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I should cease to,
that I should sin against
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the Lord by
ceasing to pray for you.
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So, we're going to be
discussing that today with
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our very special
guest Dr. Cindy Tutsch
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and Dr. Tutsch thank you
so much for coming to 3ABN
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I'm glad to be here!
You've been here before
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I've seen that face on
3ABN. Several times, actually
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I think I started
about 16 or 17 years ago
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with my first statement.
Praise the Lord and you did
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some teen pathways
before. Yes, I know you are the
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mother of two.
Three. Three! Aha!
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Okay, we're gonna talk about
all these things, but first
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tell us what you are
doing right now as the
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Associate Director for
the Ellen G. White Estate?
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My focus actually is
helping youth and young
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adults understand that Ellen
White, still has things that
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are relevant to their
spirituality, in other words
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even though she with a 19th
century visionary, she still
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talks about issues that
face kids today and directs
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them to Jesus.
Directs them to Jesus,
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the answer to all of their
conflicting claims of life.
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Okay now let me ask you
this question, because I'm sure
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we have a number of our
guests, who do not know who
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Ellen White is? So, can
you explain, just tell us a
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little bit of her
history. Oh, certainly!
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Well, Seventh-Day Adventists
base all of their doctrines
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on the Bible and
interestingly enough in
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Romans 12 and First
Corinthians 12 and Ephesians
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4, we find listed as one of
the gifts of the spirit, the
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gift of prophecy and
even before the Seventh-Day
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Adventist church was
organized as a denomination
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when it was still a
nucleus of believers
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that were
expecting the Lord to come
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and eager for his
second coming, our early
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pioneers discovered that
there was according to these
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lists, gifts of prophecy,
the possibility of someone being
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a prophet even in
contemporary times, even
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in extra-biblical
times. And so when this young
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teenager Ellen, who was
then Harmon, that was her maiden
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name, had a vision, some
people were skeptical you
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know, can this
really but instead
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of determining whether
she was authentic just by some
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kind of experiential feeling
they went to the scriptures.
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What does the scriptures
have to say and they discovered
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that there were several
tests of a prophet, including
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Isaiah 8:20 to the law to
the testimony, they speak not.
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according to this word
there is no light in them
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and so as a result of
studying the Bible and
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comparing these messages of
Ellen Harmon and later Ellen
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White, the Seventh-Day
Adventist Church believed
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that she had
indeed received messages
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from God, never to
contradict the scripture,
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never to supercede the
scripture, but always to
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direct people back to the
scripture and direct them to
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Jesus. And so, Ellen
G. White was one of the
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founders for the Seventh-Day
Adventists movement and they
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were as you said these
nucleus of people, it was all
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in denominational, who
were really seeking the
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scriptures coming to,
trying to understand about
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the second coming
of the Lord. Right.
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So, now you are, tell
us a little bit about your
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children in your family,
you have a doctorate. I have a
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doctorate of ministry
from the, Andrews University,
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Seventh-Day
Adventist Geological Seminary
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and then, our daughter
is actually an attorney
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in Eastern Washington,
she does Social Services
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Law, you know, helping
the poor and marginalize,
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and those who are the
least in society and have no
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voice, very proud of her
for that and then we have twin
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sons who are 34. Oh!
That's where I messed up. Double
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trouble, double joy. That's
why I thought you only had
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one son that was 34,
but you were talking about
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two different
sons there. Right. Yeah
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As a mother and one who,
how long have, have you always
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had a personal relationship
with the Lord or was this
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something that
developed later in life.
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What was your history with God?
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My parents actually,
became Christians and
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then Seventh-Day Adventist
Christians when I was just a
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child about the age
of four but I had my own
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personal
encounter with Jesus, when I
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was eight, that
sounds kind of young.
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Praise God. But I
actually, heard the voice of God
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speaking to me, not a
literal audible voice, but a
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gentle calling to my soul.
That's First Kings 19:12, the
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still small voice of God.
Exactly at that young age.
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And I took Bible
studies, decided that I wanted
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to be a Christian, for myself
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gave my heart and
soul to Jesus as a child,
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and of course I had that,
some of those struggles that
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many people have when
they were teenagers I had those
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struggles too and came
back to a stronger and deeper
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commitment to Jesus when I was,
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probably oh! I
don't know, about 24
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and one of the agencies
that guides you to bring
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me back to full commitment
to him was the little book
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by Ellen White,
called Steps to Christ.
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Yes! My husband's favorite
book, I love that book as
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well. Oh, okay. And
then, she has so much
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to talk about the
personal relationship.
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You know, a lot of
people think that religion is
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gonna save them, it doesn't
matter what name is across
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the church that you
attend, what matters most
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I shouldn't say it doesn't
matter at all, but it doesn't
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it matters very little
if you don't have a personal
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relationship with the Lord
and that's what this book is.
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Our whole obedience,
our keeping the Sabbath,
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whatever we do its
response to grace, the wonderful
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grace of God. Absolutely.
And what I have discovered
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when I'm traveling
around to various countries
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on behalf of the
general conference of
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Seventh-Day Adventists
is that many persons have
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strong concerns for either
a friend or a family member
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who was making lifestyle
decisions that seemed to be
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destructive, they're
concerned that they haven't
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either their
family, their children or
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their best friends,
yet made a decision for
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Jesus that brings them
that peace and that joy.
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So, I am discovering that
a lot of persons are thinking
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what can I do about this,
do I lecture as you mentioned
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at the beginning, do I
continually try to give
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my testimony, do I
pray and certainly our own
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personal testimony is
very important and the
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Holy Spirit kind of
nudges us along when we
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can give that testimony,
but I want like to especially
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talk today about
intercessory prayer.
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Absolutely. And you
know before you start
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about that I think you
would agree with me that
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sometimes the most important
thing that we can do in
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addition to praying for
our loved ones especially if
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you live with those
loved ones, is show them the
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example of grace
operating in our life because if
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we are not
walking, if we just talk the
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talk and we don't
walk in his footsteps,
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people aren't going to
listen to anything that we say.
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And you know Jesus
must have been winsome,
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because the children
loved him according to the
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scriptures. They
like to sit on his laps.
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They like to collect around him.
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So, he must have been
a very open, very gentle,
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very appealing, loving
person and certainly our
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children when they are
younger and need teaching
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from the scripture,
they need our example.
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But as they grow older
and began to leave the home.
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They already know
what's right and so what can
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we do best to draw
them. Perhaps to a renewal
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of their relationship
with Jesus or may be even a
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first time
experience with Jesus.
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And I think once our
children leave our home
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this idea of
intercessory period becomes even
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more important, more
pivotal to administrate
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our own kids. Amen.
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I'm thinking of
First Timothy, chapter 2
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where Paul says, I urge you,
that's a pretty strong words,
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that's the command, first
of all he says to pray for all
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people as you make your
request, plead for God's
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mercy upon them and give
thanks. I like that, gives
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thanks, usually we
plead for God's mercy and
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then we go into worry
mode. Now here he instructs us
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to give thanks and
then verse 3, this is good.
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In other words,
Intercessory prayer
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is good and pleases God
our savior, for he wants
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everyone to be saved
and to understand the truth.
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He wants us to pray
for all humanity and that's
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our command to pray.
Right it's not our option.
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And let's discuss
what Intercessory prayers
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because that's a
terminology that many Christians
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are familiar with,
but how would you say
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Intercessory prayer
differs from other prayer.
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I think a lot of our prayer
is praise the God, which is
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wonderful and thanksgiving
to Jesus for what he has
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done in our lives.
And it could also be
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petition, asking for specific
things in our life perhaps or
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in the lives of others, I
think Intercessory prayers
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is when we hold someone
up to Jesus and say Oh! God
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please just fill them
with your Holy Spirit.
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and have them to
understand who you are?
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Have them to understand
that you died for them
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and you care about them
like there was not another
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stool on the
earth to share their,
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your watch care. And
that Intercessory prayer
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then is our asking
God to save this person.
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To whom, for whom we
have a great love and
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a great burden that
they know Jesus personally.
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So, Intercessory prayer is
kind of standing in the gap
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for someone else. Now,
see if you agree with this.
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You may not, but I
tell people often that
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you know God will not
force his will on someone's life
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I know my sister was
involved with drugs for
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15 years and I interceded
on her behalf constantly
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I was praying for her,
because I knew she wasn't
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praying for herself. Right.
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And I tell people
God is like a loving God
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has put handcuffs
if you will on himself.
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That he will not
superimpose his will
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upon someones lives
and prayer is kind of,
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Intercessory Prayers is
like the key that unlocks
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those cuffs and gives
him permission to work in
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someones life who just
flat won't turn to the Lord.
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So, I like that analogy.
I like it because of the
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great controversy,
the great battle between
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Christ and Satan.
Satan has said, these are
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mine you know they have
not made any claim to your name
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These are mine and so
God is allowing Satan to make
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that claim, but only to
a degree, if we're saying
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God we're asking you to
send your spirit to this
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person's life, then
as you say it releases
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God to do that and
still have things fear and
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this great
converse. This great battle
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between the will of God
who's cast a vote for our soul
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and the will of Satan
who's cast a vote for us soul
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and then ultimately we
have to cast the deciding vote.
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There is another text I
think that is encouraging
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to us when we get kind
of weary of praying for
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the same person, it's
Psalms 126, verse 5, Psalms
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126, verse 5. I
like this one because
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sometimes particularly
for our friends they ask
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us to pray for them
and we start out doing
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pretty well and
then we kind of forget.
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And this reminds us
that we need to be persistent
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and it says in verse 5.
Those who plant in tears
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will harvest with shouts of joy.
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Amen! They reap
as they go to plant
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their seed, but they sing
as they return with a harvest.
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And that says to me you
know it might be kind of hard
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going, you might see
any indications at first.
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that God is really working
in the life of the person
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that we love so
much, but if we persist
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if we are tenacious, God
is in process and we just
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have to have faith that
he is working even though
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we might not seen any
outward indications of that.
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You know that persistence
is something in Luke 18,
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that Jesus was so clear
when he gave the parable
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of the persistent
widow that he wanted us to
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continue to pray until
we see the reaping of this
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and I believe it's
Luke 18:8 where he says when
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the son of man comes
back will he find faith on the
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earth, I think if we give
up in prayer, particularly
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in praying for others.
It shows a lack of faith
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but one thing that I
want to make sure that I just
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admonish you, if somebody
asks you to pray for them
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and you say yes I
will, do yourself a favor.
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So, that you
won't be caught a liar
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and that is pray
for them right then.
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That's a great idea.
Because once if you tell
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somebody yes I'll pray for
you. It's so easy when we're
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being bombarded by
so many images during
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the days, so many
interruptions and our
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lifestyles are so
hectic. You may have the best
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of intentions to
pray for somebody.
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And then your memory
lapses you know, a week
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later you're thinking.
Oh! You hear about their.
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Right. Problems
and you're thinking
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Oh! I meant to pray for them.
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I like the idea of
praying for them immediately
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and also it's been
helpful to me in my advancing
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aid is to add it
to my prayer journal.
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Absolutely. And
then I'm reminded
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to pray for this person?
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I like to tell
you a story. Surely.
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This is about my son
and I asked him permission
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to tell this story
and he said sure mom,
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if it would be an encouragement
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to other parents and
may be even young people who
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are struggling with
their spirituality, absolutely.
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My son has always
been very athletic from the
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time he was just a kind of
a toddler and when he made a
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decision for Jesus he
was about 11 years old.
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But as time when
on it kind of waned a
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little bit, it kind of
got put on the back burner.
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He is an extreme
snowboarder, in another
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words he is a sponsored
snowboarder, you could see
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his picture on
postures and snowboard magazines
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and such, even
though there are definitely
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Christians in the
snowboard industry or culture.
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There is a lot of people
they are kind of partiers
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And you know, I think that
kind of maybe rubbed off on
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him a little bit. Surely.
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And so Church and God
and making time for God.
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Sort of wasn't really
that important in his life.
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And every night my
husband and I would pray that
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our son would
come home spiritually.
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That he would renew
that decision for Jesus
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that he had made
with all of his heart when
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he was just 11 years
old. And we have a good
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relationship, but you
know he only came to church
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when mom came to visit.
And you know just wasn't
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really, really into
the things of the spirit.
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And we had made some
lifestyle decisions that
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were very, of great
concern to me because I was
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afraid that he would
you know destroy his body
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from whom Christ died and
never have the opportunity
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to make a decision for God.
And one day I was walking in
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a state park and got
out off cell phone range.
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When I'm came back
in there was a message
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from my son, now
Shelley you know as parents
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we know very well when
something is wrong with
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our kids it's that mother's
intuition, and so I thought
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hmm, that sounds a
little bit different, his
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cell phone
message was mom call me.
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And just those three words,
so I called up one of my friends
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who was one of my
prayer warrior friends and
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I said I don't know
what's going on with my son
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Mickey, but I'm gonna
return this call will you
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just cover me with prayer
and I ask Jesus to give me
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the words that he
would have me speak.
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And so when I
called my son he said mom,
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I just want to tell you, I
can't sleep and I had just read
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Neil Nedley's
excellent book on depression
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the way out. Yes And so I talked
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to him about some of
this stressors in his life.
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He was taking a couple
of really hard classes in
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university and had just
changed jobs, that he was
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a flight
instructor at a new place.
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And you know there
were a number of things,
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a number of changes in his
life. And I talked to him about
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some of the physiological
things that he could do to
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avoid depression and
insomnia and that sort of
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thing. And he thanked me
and a couple of days later
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he called me again and
this time his voice sounded
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almost ragged, just
almost despairing, and
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I was concerned and he
said mom, I'm still not sleeping
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I'm not sleeping at all
and I'm a flight instructor.
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And I'm afraid I'm gonna
to crash with my students.
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And I said Mickey,
do you think this is a
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spiritual battle and
just like that, Shelley.
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He said, yes. Wow!
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And I just prayed I said,
Oh! Lord, give me the words.
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And I said
Mickey, do you remember
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a couple years of
ago I sent you a book
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the name of that
is a call to stand
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apart, and it's an
adaptation of some of the
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Ellen White's writings
for young people who might
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struggle with some of
the 19th century language
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and so it's written
in contemporary English.
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And I said, do you
remember that book.
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And he said, yes.
And I said, well, do you
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still have it? Now,
that was an question because
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sometimes may son
called my mail out to him
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propaganda
packages. And so the contents
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didn't always stay in house.
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And he said yes, and
that surprised me that he
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knew that he still had
that book because I send it
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to him a couple of years before.
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And I said, well, why
don't you go home and why
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don't you read the chapter
you can come home anytime.
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It's chapter 4 and he
said well, okay, and that
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chapter is just amazing
of course it's the story
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of the prodigal son
in contemporary language.
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It starts out, this
the story of a young man
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weary of the
restrains of living at home.
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And then it goes
through what happened with the
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young man as he went
away from home and talks about
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in a language that
young people can understand.
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And then it talks about
that young man coming back,
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coming back and then
father running to embrace him
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with his passionate
warm embrace of love.
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You know with no
words of condemnation and
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no words of judgment
and just welcoming him back
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to the family, it's such
a beautiful story that tells
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a completely
different perception of God then
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many people have, they
think of him as kind of
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stern and demanding
in his requirements.
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But when they just
take that first step back
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to the Lord they find
how loving and compassionate
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he really is. And the story ends
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like this, don't wait or
try to clean yourself up.
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So, you could be good
enough to come to Jesus.
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If we waited to be good
enough, we would never come.
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Amen! Jesus is waiting for you
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calling you, yearning for you.
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And all heaven will
celebrate when you come home.
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Amen! You know my son
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called me the next day
and he said, mom I read
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that story, and I was
just thinking, I was thinking
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back when I was a
counselor at youth camp.
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I was thinking about all
the times when I had this
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peace because I was
right with God and he said,
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I want that experience
again, he said the person
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I am today, he said that's
not really who I want to be.
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He said I just
want you to know mom
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that last night I
invited Jesus to be my savior
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again. Praise God, praise
God. I just can't tell you
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how the joy
just filled my heart.
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Absolutely. Up to overflowing.
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And a couple of weeks
later I went to visit him
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across the country he
lives in Washington state
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and I live in Maryland.
And I stayed at his house
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and I noticed that the
contents of his refrigerator
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were different and
the things on his wall
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were different and
the books in his bookshelf
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were different, but what
really got me was the next
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morning when we got
up and had breakfast.
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Mickey said to be, mom
would you like to study
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the Sabbath
school lesson with me.
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Praise God. Oh! I
nearly dropped my tea.
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You know that was
four years ago and his
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relationship with
Jesus has remained strong
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and growing and
further he married a wonderful
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Christian woman and they
are active in their young
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adult group in their
church and I thought you know
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maybe that story would
be encouraging to parents
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who are praying for
their children and thinking oh!
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you know will
they ever come home.
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You know Cindy, as we
are listening to your story
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about Mickey, this
reminds me of a scripture
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from Jeremiah 31:16
and the scripture says.
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Thus says the Lord,
restrain your voice from weeping
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and your eyes from
tears, for your work shall be
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rewarded, says the Lord.
And then in the amplified
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it says and your children,
your children being in brackets
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that's what in the context.
"Your children shall return
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from the enemies
land." Praise God.
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I do too. He
promises us in Isaiah
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that God will contend
with those who contend with us.
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And he will save our
children. And save our children.
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Yes. So, the whole
idea of praying, you
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know there are times and
it may not be your child.
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It could be your
husband. It could be your wife.
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It could be a good
friend. But, the whole idea of
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people you know the joy
in your story was your son
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knew what he was
missing. He had experienced that
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joy and peace in his life.
He knew that he was feeling
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empty now he wanted what
had before before, the biggest
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problem I think is for people
who, that we are praying for
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who have never known that. Yes.
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Now in reaching them it
is the prayer, but it's also
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that's where don't
you think that's where a
00:21:16.16\00:21:18.70
personal testimony and
the example that we set
00:21:18.73\00:21:22.65
in living and
showing that we're calm.
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Right, that Jesus has
done something for us and they
00:21:25.94\00:21:28.29
wonder, where did
you get that calmness
00:21:28.65\00:21:30.75
where do you get that
joy. And they know that
00:21:30.78\00:21:32.91
not everything was right
in our lives they can see
00:21:33.60\00:21:35.28
maybe that we've lost our
job, whether our house burned
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down. Exactly. Or
you know we got in a
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car accident and whatever it is.
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But, when they see that
we maintain that consistency.
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And we're not always
consistent because we are.
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Human. Exactly, and I just,
but I think that does often
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offer an opportunity
for us to give our personal
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testimony to persons
who perhaps they have never
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encountered Christ in anyway.
I liked the text that you
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shared and I also like
Isaiah 43, I'm reading from
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verse 5. Do not be
afraid, for I am with you,
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Amen! I will gather you and
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your children from
east and west and from
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north and south, in
other words wherever they have
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gone in their
spiritual experience.
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He says from the
distant corners of the earth
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I will bring them back
I will claim them for my
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own glory
because I created them.
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That's encouraging to
me. It's wonderful, but I'm
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sitting here, I'm thinking
there is probably someone
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who is watching us
right now. Who prayed for
00:22:29.58\00:22:32.32
their children, and/or a husband
00:22:32.35\00:22:33.92
or a brother, or
sister, or parent and they
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prayed and they
prayed and they prayed and
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they never saw that person
give their heart to the Lord,
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before they died.
Before the person that
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was praying died or
the other person die.
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Before the person for
whom they were praying died.
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And they, and you know I
see often i'll have someone come
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up to me and say I
prayed I did all of these things
00:22:53.51\00:22:56.84
but, then I died and I
never saw them give their
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heart to the Lord
and I always tell people
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you don't know what
happened in those closing
00:23:03.08\00:23:05.63
moments of their life.
You don't you know we can't
00:23:05.66\00:23:09.09
judge just because we
see of course usually we are
00:23:09.12\00:23:12.86
going by the
evidence presented to us.
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Right. Right. But, we
don't know, I believe that
00:23:15.43\00:23:19.54
we're called to be the
planters of the seed, but it's
00:23:19.57\00:23:22.93
God that gives the
harvest. It's God that's keeping
00:23:22.96\00:23:26.81
it a well watered garden
and gives us the harvest.
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Exactly and also we
can't discount the choice
00:23:29.23\00:23:33.22
the human will. I
would have suppose that
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Adam and Eve prayed
earnestly for their son Cain.
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We don't know whether
Cain will be in heaven
00:23:39.96\00:23:41.66
because the Bible
doesn't tell us that they must
00:23:41.69\00:23:43.81
have been very discouraged
by the behavior of Cain.
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I mean here he murders
you know their beloved Abel.
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And so sometimes I think
that we don't necessarily
00:23:51.27\00:23:53.46
know the outcome on
this earth but that doesn't
00:23:53.52\00:23:55.88
give us any reason to
leave off praying, the Lord
00:23:55.91\00:23:59.00
says pray with persistence,
pray without ceasing.
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Be not weary of well
doing for you will reap if you,
00:24:03.21\00:24:06.04
if you faint
not. You know then you
00:24:06.07\00:24:07.95
can always think
of Job, in Job 42:10
00:24:07.98\00:24:10.94
where the Lord said
because Job, when he turned and
00:24:10.97\00:24:15.25
starting praying for
his friends, God then turned
00:24:15.28\00:24:18.63
Job's situation around and
actually restored everything
00:24:18.66\00:24:21.74
and gave him twice as
much. So, there is, there can be
00:24:21.77\00:24:24.58
a benefit and I believe
that Intercessory Prayer
00:24:24.61\00:24:28.07
does benefit us, it
helps draw us near to the Lord,
00:24:28.10\00:24:31.07
it gives us, we are
calling on, it gives us more of
00:24:31.10\00:24:34.93
the Lord's heart for
others as we intercede for them.
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Indeed. Do you agree?
Absolutely and it also
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reminds me when I'm
praying for the person
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it reminds me if my need
to be on the alert in case
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the Holy Spirit is
saying saying something to me
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about a testimony I
could give or you know someway
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that I could be aware
of the other person's need
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and may be respond to
that, not in the preaching
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lecturing way, but
just in a recognizing their
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humanity and recognizing
how God is the one that
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can fill the
emotional and spiritual
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needs in their heart. Amen.
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And you know the
more you intercede for
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others I think, I
often will pray for a divine
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appointment. Yes.
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And I ask the Lord, by
what I mean by that is that
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I'm asking the Lord to
connect me with someone
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that day by his
will for whom or to whom
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I could minister and
often when I am really focused
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on Intercessory Prayer
and I'm praying for a divine
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appointment as I am out.
You know I'll be standing
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in the line and Lord
will say go and pray for
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this person and you
can feel like an absolute,
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well, it can make you
feel a little stranger
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out of the ordinary.
Like you're sticking out
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like a sore thumb, to
walk up to a total stranger
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and say you know I
would like to pray with you.
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I am impressed to pray with you.
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But, it has never failed
that the Lord will lead you
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right to the person who
would just begin to weep
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or sometimes may not say
well, I'm not sure I need
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any prayer. I said are you
sure I really feel that the
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Lord was directing me
and suddenly the flood gate
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breaks. Amen!
And they will start
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talking to you about
something and you can
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pray with this person
and they may not have any
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relationship with the
Lord. But, that's how the Lord
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has reached them when
you do that, I mean just
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your willingness to
intercede for others.
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That's very inspirational
to me I've never done
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that I have don't a lot
of literature evangelism
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where I go door to
door with young people.
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I've directed ten
years of student literature
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evangelism programs.
And I've encouraged the
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young people to pray
with the people at the door.
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And say you know is there
anything I can pray for you
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about concerning your
family, there has been wonderful
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response and I've done
that myself as I have gone
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door to door with
gospel literature.
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But I have never gone
up to a complete stranger
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in a store or a mall
or something like that.
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I think that you would
definitely have to know
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that you were directed
by the spirit and I admire
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your ability to recognize
the voice of God and to do that.
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I think also of God's promise
here in Ezekiel 34, verse 16.
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I will search for my
lost ones who strayed away and
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I will bring them
safely home again.
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Amen! Dr. Cindy
Tutsch, thank you
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so much for joining us
today Cindy, it's just been
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a real pleasure to have
you here and its always good
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when someone is ministering
from experience and you
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know something that
I wanted to share with
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our viewers as we are going
off the air is you may think
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well who is
interceding on my behalf.
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Let me share a promise
from Hebrews 7 and verse 25.
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This is talking about
our Lord Jesus and it says
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therefore he is able
to say to the uttermost
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those who he is
praying for since he is always
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living to make
petitions to God and intercede
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on their behalf.
Jesus is interceding
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for you. Don't forget that.
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