Jim Burr who is the president of
Heavens Declare and we're going
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be talking today... We've kind
of been talking in general about
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creationism, intelligent design
and evolution, but we're really
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going to get today into
evolution, how they say life
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started. There was absolutely
nothing and nothing exploded
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that created all this. Whereas
Jeremiah said it was God who
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created by his word everything.
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David says in Psalm 139:17 that
God knit me together in the womb
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And over and over again
the Bible says that God is the
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creator of all things.
We believe that, that in the
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beginning was the Word, the Word
was with God and the Word was
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God and that all things were
created through him. So let me
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just for the sake of those of
who may not be familiar with Jim
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Burr, can't believe anybody
wouldn't be, but Jim is a very
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fascinating individual who has
a great deal of knowledge about
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astronomy and the topics that
we are addressing today, but he
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also is an inventor and designs
and develops telescopes, some
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that have been sold to NASA.
So having set you up like that
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let's talk about Darwin and corn
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OK. I was reading this book
about Darwin and I'm not going
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to promote the book so I'm not
going to mention it, but it was
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just kind of interesting because
I'm reading in here and this
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author is saying you know
we used to think that it was a
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miracle of God that you could
put that little seed in the
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ground and it grew. We used
to think that was God. But now
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through science and chemistry
we can explain what makes that
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seed grow, how that seed
grows. And I was looking on the
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internet the biology of
germination. In fact, I was
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going to bring you an article
to read which I didn't do, but
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there is one book of 900 pages
on the germination of the fern
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spore. Yet in the opening
they said there's still a lot of
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things we don't know. So
they're saying we used to think
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this was God but now this is not
God. This is not a miracle. Man
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can't do it, right? We can't
create a seed. We can't create
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life. The Bible says you put it
in the ground, it dies. Another
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scientific fact, we can test
that, right? The Bible says the
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see dies and up comes the plant.
You know and how does that
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happen? Man can't produce it.
And because we can explain it
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does that mean it's not
scientific. And they would say
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well it's the natural world.
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Wait a minute. You said because
we can explain it does that mean
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it's scientific. My question
would be because we can explain
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it does that mean that it's not
a miracle. If we can't reproduce
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it, it's still
miraculous is it not?
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Yes but they would get out
of it by saying well this is the
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natural world, this is the
natural world, the seed goes in,
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it's nature, right? You see.
Probably we should reterm that
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by saying it's superhuman, it's
beyond human ability to make
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that little seed grow. Yeah, it
said in there, the biochemistry
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of germination poses many
unsolved questions. That was in
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Seed Technology, 900 pages. I
should have brought that little
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paragraph because it is just to
me gobbledy gook. All the names
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they've given to all the
processes that go on to make
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that seed grow, it's just
amazing. But Richard Dawkins
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wrote in one of his
books. I thought it was really
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interesting. He says, I shall
not be surprised if in the next
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years chemists report they
have successfully midwifed a new
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origin of life in the lab.
Midwifed. That's an interesting
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terminology. They
can't create it but they
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can midwife it. God
would say go make your own
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chemicals, right? But he is not
going to be surprised if in the
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next few years... So really what
is Richard Dawkins, Dr. Dawkins,
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telling us? Is he telling
us that we are not intelligent
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enough now to create life?
But in the future we might be
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intelligent enough to create
life in the lab and prove that
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it doesn't take
intelligence to create life.
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Now we're really talking in
circles just as he is, right?
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So that's an excellent point.
We're not smart enough to do it
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now, we don't have the
intelligence but if we study
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harder and gain more
intelligence there may be a day
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that we can create something
they say it didn't take
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intelligent design.
Right and they're using
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intelligence. You see all of
these efforts to create life in
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the test tube and everything
is done with the process of
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intelligence. So that's an
interesting choice of words,
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midwifed. But in the 50s we
had the two guys by the name of
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Miller and Uri that were trying
in a test tube to create life,
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to get whatever they could get.
I had made this little model of
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their device. It didn't survive
the airplane trip. Probably the
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TSA inspectors. I thought
I'd packaged it pretty well. But
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what they did, they were trying
to get some elements, some amino
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acids and so forth and see
what they could get. Scientists
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believe that when life evolved
on earth it was what they call
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a reducing atmosphere. There
couldn't have been oxygen here.
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That's why we're going to Titan.
That's why I showed you in one
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series we landed on Titan that
moon that has a lot of methane
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gas there. And they think that
in order to get this life going
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we needed methane, we needed
ammonia, we needed sparks from
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lightening and stuff like this.
So they put in here water vapor.
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They heated it up, boiled the
water, methane, ammonia, they
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put sparks over here to see
what would happen and I think I
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read one place they'd actually
tried 100 different times to get
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some elements of life that they
could identify. They'd sample it
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through this little tube on this
side. It would condense down and
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cool and so forth. Eventually
they were able to get some amino
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acids. They got some tar; that's
the stuff you make streets with,
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you'll die if you eat that.
They got some amino acids but
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actually they got left-handed
and right-handed amino acids.
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They don't tell you this in
school because the right-handed
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ones destroy life. They're
poisonous to the formation of
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proteins. Isn't it
amazing. I remember
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hearing this before. I'm not
sure if I read it or saw it on a
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scientific program, that there
are right-handed amino acids
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and left-handed amino acids and
the two don't mix. So nobody can
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create life. But all life has
this in it. It's just amazing.
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You know we use the left-handed
and right-handed rule in
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magnetism to find the force
north-south pole. We take our
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fingers, this would be the
right-hand rule and we say the
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flex line of the magnetic
is flowing this way and this is
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going to be north and so this
would be left-handed. The same
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type of thing goes here for
left-handed and right-handed.
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The way of the rotation as they
look at it under a microscope.
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The impression is really given
to the children in school books
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that they really did something
here that was significant. And
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they didn't do anything
significant at all. And they
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have tried over and over again
since those early 50s when they
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did this experiment,
they've tried and tried again to
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duplicate it. They haven't been
able to duplicate it. I mean
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they haven't been able to come
out with anything more than what
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these two guys, Miller and Uri,
did. So they used intelligence,
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they used artificial atmosphere,
they wouldn't let oxygen be
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present. And yet if they had
gotten a cell to live what do
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they need for the first cell?
They need copious amounts of
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oxygen. Jeffrey Bottrop made
a statement in one of his books
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that the biggest unsolved
problem that we have when we
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entered the 20th century,
how did life originate, we still
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have. I read that wrong. Today
as we leave the 20th century
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we have the same, the biggest
unsolved problem when we entered
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the 20th century-how did
life originate on earth. In the
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beginning was the Word, the Word
was with God and the Word was
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God. He was in the beginning
with Him. All things were made
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by Him, without Him was not
anything made. He could call it
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into existence, he could speak
and it was so. The energy and
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the power from his voice.
He didn't lift a finger when he
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created the universe.
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I've read in books, a number of
books, where various atheistic
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scientists have said that they
cannot prove their theories and
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the evidence that lines up to
prove the Bible, the idea of a
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creator God, they totally
disallow because to support that
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even though they see evidence,
to support that would mean that
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they're supporting the Bible.
So a lot of what we read in
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scientific reports, there are
people with agendas and this is
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something that I guess
every parent needs to... There's
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nothing wrong with keeping up
with what science is doing but
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we can't take that to the bank
because there's a lot of it out
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there that... I won't use
the word falsified but that's
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probably a good word, there's a
lot of what they document or put
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forth as being tested
that's not really been tested.
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We can do a whole program on
that and where they freely admit
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that they've got an agenda.
They freely admit it. You know
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life is impossible... There's
some of these guys like Francis
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Crick and so forth will say life
couldn't have evolved and the
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chances of life evolving are
like a number so big we can't
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even write the number. Yet I
believe we evolved. They used
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to think spontaneous generation
of life. If you had rags and
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grain in a corner it was mice,
that was a recipe for mice, OK?
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Some warm little pond. And then
Louis Pasteur demolished the
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theory of spontaneous generation
of life, he just demolished it
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and so there is no spontaneous
generation of life. And you're
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happy every time you open
the peanut butter jar there's no
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no spontaneous generation
of life, right? The whole food
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industry is based on the
fact there is no spontaneous
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generation of life. They do
millions of tests to be sure
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when you open that jar every
time that there's nothing alive
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in there. In Scientific American
there was a statement in one of
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the magazines that said that the
living cell is so complex that
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even with our super computers
we may never be able to fully
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synthesize the living cell.
But even incomplete models could
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shake the foundations of biology
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So what does that mean,
incomplete models could shake?
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Well they're saying we can't
fully synthesize it, we can't
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fully understand what's going
on. They say it's more complex
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than New York City at rush hour.
Can you imagine how busy, how
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complex New York
City is at rush hour?
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So you're saying the single,
smallest possible living cell is
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that complex? Yeah,
we can't understand what
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all is going on in the living
cell, how that cell can nourish
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the body, how it can take
on oxygen, how it can replicate
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itself and all this type of
stuff. And you think of New York
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City with 10 million people in
New York City, 10 million cell
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phones. What's going on in
New York? Subways, buses, taxis,
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people, communications, cell
phones, signals from satellites.
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I mean, and they're saying this
living cell that they used to
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think was just a piece of
protoplasm and it was easy for
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it in a pond to evolve and
life came about through this
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Darwinian evolution. But
now they're saying that we
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understand that a single cell is
more complex that New York City
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at rush hour. Now take that cell
You got New York City at rush
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hour. Are you picturing that?
OK with all that's going on.
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Now take that New York City
and reduce it to a pin head and
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put another 1000
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on the top of a pin head.
The complexity of 1000 New York
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Cities going on the end of a
pin. We were just talking about
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the fact that the red
blood cells... You can put what,
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50,000 red blood cells on the
end of a pin. Cells vary in size
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obviously. There's quite
a variation there but the
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complexity of New York City...
When I first started looking at
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the heavens and the stars, I
mean I was just blown away. I
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I mean I just was blown away.
I suppose maybe I'm a little bit
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jaded now because I've looked
through... We had a telescope in
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my garage. It was a 40-inch
telescope, you know, on a
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four-wheeled trailer OK. So
maybe I'm a little bit jaded.
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The stars don't thrill me but
I'm learning a little bit about
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this through my microscope which
we're going to see a clip in one
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of these programs. But as I
learn more about the genes and
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the DNA and I don't know much
about it, but I'm just blown
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away again. To
know how fearfully and
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wonderfully we are made. Oh
it is incredible. Darwin made a
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comment about the sun that they
used to think that it was God
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that made the sun work and
so what does the evolutionary
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theory say how
the sun was formed?
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OK. Yeah, that was in that book
that I was reading about Darwin
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and this author who said the
seed, he used to think that was
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God and now he can explain it.
They used to think the sun was a
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miracle of God, I mean this was
God that kept it going. But now
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we can now explain through
science and physics how the sun
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works. So therefore it's not God
anymore. Once again is it God
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or isn't it God? Can
man duplicate it? What is
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interesting, we have on
planet earth 168 universities,
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governments that are trying
to duplicate what happens on the
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sun. What's going on on the sun?
Well first of all let's back up.
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We have the atom bomb which is
the splitting of the atom. When
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we split the atom we have
tremendous energy but when
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we fuse the hydrogen atoms
together to get helium we get
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a lot more energy from the
fusing process that goes on in
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the sun than we do from fission
or the splitting of the atom.
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And so how did the sun form?
Well evolution says that first
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it was nothing and then it
exploded. In the universe we had
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the big bang and then somehow we
have all this hydrogen gas that
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that began rotating and this
hydrogen gas began collating,
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condensing, getting smaller,
rotating on its own gravity.
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Now keep in mind we're talking
about gas in space, a vacuum,
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pretty much not a complete
vacuum but pretty much. Can you
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imagine gas in space. Doesn't it
want to expand or does it want
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to contract. I have gas in this
little can here, OK this little
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spray can. It's wanting to get
out of here. And this isn't even
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a vacuum. And when
it does it's not going
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out and coming out in a
ball. It's expanding outward.
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Yes, it's expanding. You see it
doesn't like being in here. It
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wants to get out and this isn't
even a vacuum. In a vacuum if I
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spray this in a vacuum it would
come out even faster wouldn't
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it? So evolution says that
we had all this hydrogen gas. It
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began rolling and rotating,
collating, condensing, getting
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denser and denser upon itself
with all its gravity and it got
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so dense that it hit 25 million
degrees. It takes 25 million
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degrees to ignite the sun,
25 million degrees to get those
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hydrogen atoms to fuse together
to form helium. But it just
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happened. Everything was right.
You see now we have 167 or 168
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universities and institutions
around the world trying to
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duplicate that. The sun is
wonderful because we've got all
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this energy. Do you see
pollution from the sun? We got
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all these fires in California
and fires in Colorado. The skies
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and sunsets are red and the
skies for the astronomers are
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kind of bad with all this smoke.
But do you see smoke from the
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sun? The sun is pollution free.
It can solve all the energy on
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planet earth. We can solve
all of our problems and use sea
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water, basically I'm simplifying
it, use sea water to produce the
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process that goes on on the
sun, fusing of hydrogen atoms...
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And so we're desperately
looking for this source of
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energy. But there's no crucible
on earth that can hold hydrogen
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gas at 25 million degrees. What
do we do? Well we can put it in
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a magnet. So we have TOCAMAC is
a name, it's a Russian acronym.
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So we've got all these chambers
of magnets that try to hold the
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hydrogen gas and try to heat it
so we can get it to 25 million
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degrees so we can fuse those
atoms together so we can solve
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our energy problem.
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How can they contain 25 million
degrees though if they do get
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it to 25 million degrees?
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Well they have just about
achieved that at Princeton
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University. How
small a mass are we talking
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about? Oh it's a
pretty good sized unit
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I mean, it would be as big as
this room probably, yeah, it's
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pretty big and they're working
on even some bigger ones.
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Europe is working on a bigger
one where I showed you the
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picture. Sorry I didn't bring
the pictures with me. I had
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it down here and you see this
big magnetic thing. We spend
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billions of dollars to try to
get the energy that God put in
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the sun. Twenty-five million
degrees. No crucible will hold
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it so we put it in a magnetic
field to heat it. Now at
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Princeton they actually got out
almost as much energy as they
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put in. I mean, they reached
at one point before they shut it
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down for a few seconds, they
actually got power out of it,
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enough power to run it, but
no extra power to run your cell
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phone. So they're still working
on this and of course they're
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also looking at maybe even using
lasers some way to get this
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thing hot. But does it make
sense that this hydrogen gas in
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space could get so hot on its
own. Oh, you know what, we've
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got another problem. We have
100 billion stars in the Milky
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Way galaxy. A 100 billion times
all this hydrogen gas was just
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right and it got to 25
million degrees and these things
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exploded and then we got
that star and we got 100 billion
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stars and it was just right 100
billion times and then we have
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a 100 billion galaxies with a
100 billion stars in each galaxy
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Everything was just right. It
just happened. But we can't with
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all of our brains, all of our
money, all of our funding, we
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cannot duplicate
what happens on the sun.
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And doesn't it always come back
to the same thing, just like
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with the Big Bang theory. You
had mentioned that there were
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six profound questions that they
could not answer with the Big
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Bang theory, one of them being
where does the existence of that
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first matter come from and how
do you explain that matter. So
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how do they explain the gases?
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Well there's all the theories of
the Big Bang and inflation and
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String theory and all this kind
of stuff and there are problems
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with all of it. But in Jeremiah
32:17, I don't know if I dealt
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with this question or not, but
let me read you Jeremiah 32:17:
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You know what it says? Oh Lord
God behold thou has made the
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heavens and the earth by thy
great power... Goes along with
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E equals MC squared. Matter
and energy are interchangeable.
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And nothing is too hard for thee
Nothing is too hard for thee.
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Our time is moving on but I need
to share a couple more things
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with you. Did I
answer your question?
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Well what I really want you
to do is talk about how could
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everything... There's the idea
how could everything appear from
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nothing? Well it
can't. But nothing is
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too impossible for the Lord.
This is an article in Scientific
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American, we've got seven more
minutes, so we're OK. They were
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talking here about the fact
that the Big Bang cannot answer
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six major questions. The first
question is the very existence
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of the Big Bang. How could
everything come from nothing?
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They can't answer that. Some of
the problems are the uniformity
00:21:05.09\00:21:08.70
of the universe, the expansion
of the universe, the density of
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the universe. The density of the
universe has to be on part in 10
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quintillion. To compare this
to something you know about on
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earth, we could take the beaches
of North America and South
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America, all the sand on all
the beaches could maybe come in
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somewhere 10 quintillion.
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Wow! That's all
the grains of the sand?
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That's all the grains of sand.
Now the universe has got to be
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so finely tuned that if one of
those grains of sand is missing
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the universe can't work.
That's what they're talking
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when they say that the density
would be within one part in 10
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quintillion. That's how finely
tuned they say... I mean, we
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could do a whole program on
this kind of stuff. The Big Bang
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offers, and this is Scientific
American, 2007, last fall, on
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the... Anyway, the Big Bang
offers no explanation apart from
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dumb luck. We don't have any
explanation apart from dumb luck
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And this is scientists who are
writing this article saying this
00:22:11.16\00:22:16.20
about all of their
theories and conjectures.
00:22:16.23\00:22:19.13
It could be just writers
that are writing articles
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interviewing scientists.
And I know they have to make an
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article. This kind of stuff
people like to read, so I mean
00:22:24.34\00:22:26.98
they're looking for a good
article, right? So we'll have to
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give them kind of a little slack
there. But in this same article
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it says cosmology is a difficult
science. OK, explaining the
00:22:33.25\00:22:36.28
universe is a difficult science.
We've always know it's been
00:22:36.32\00:22:41.29
difficult, except for dumb luck,
OK? But in many ways the whole
00:22:41.32\00:22:47.50
universe is easier to understand
than a single-cell animal. We
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can't explain this, only dumb
luck, is the only way we can
00:22:52.43\00:22:56.17
explain this how this all
works. But that would be easy
00:22:56.24\00:22:59.94
explaining that compared
to a single-cell animal.
00:23:00.04\00:23:02.11
Then here the very same
scientist who can't explain how
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the universe works and
yet believes in evolution and
00:23:08.65\00:23:15.06
they're saying that the idea
of a single-celled animal, the
00:23:15.09\00:23:20.60
amoeba, let's say, is more
complicated, what is going on in
00:23:20.63\00:23:26.07
that single cell than everything
that's going on in the universe.
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So they can't explain that. They
can't explain life. Of course,
00:23:29.97\00:23:33.91
everyone has heard of cloning,
we've heard of the things going
00:23:33.94\00:23:37.85
on there, but they
cannot create life.
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No. They can't even create the
seed. Shelley, I want to get to
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the prophecy of the Messiah,
wind this up, because our time
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is slipping away. OK. I think to
the scientific mind we can now
00:23:46.76\00:23:51.46
prove that you can trust the
Bible. We can prove the prophecy
00:23:51.49\00:23:55.10
of the Messiah. If we look at
the prophesies that I've taken,
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10 prophecies of the Messiah
here. What are the chances that
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any one person on planet
earth could fulfill all eight
00:24:01.40\00:24:03.61
prophecies, or 10 prophecies or
12 prophecies. And so I picked
00:24:03.64\00:24:06.68
the first one Micah 5:2, Out of
Bethlehem Ephrata, out of thee
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shall come he that is born King
of the Jews. Well the globe is a
00:24:09.84\00:24:12.91
big place, but they specified
the right Bethlehem, OK, the
00:24:12.95\00:24:16.08
right continent and so forth.
And so we're going to assign
00:24:16.12\00:24:19.62
this some numbers. In fact,
this came from Chuck Middler. I
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didn't do the math on this so
I have to give him credit but we
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put this at one in 200,000, the
chances of one person on planet
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earth fulfilling this prophecy
to be born in Bethlehem. The
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next prophecy was his triumphal
entry on a donkey. Well there
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are a lot of donkeys and every
body rode donkeys so we put that
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very low at one in 100.
Then we go down to Zechariah.
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You mean one in 100 chances.
00:24:45.45\00:24:46.78
Yeah, one out of 100 people.
Yeah. And the next one is
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Zechariah 11:12 which is 30
pieces of silver, being sold for
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30. OK, but I need to back up a
little bit, put that at one in a
00:24:53.32\00:24:57.83
1000, to explain the
probabilities of this happening.
00:24:57.86\00:25:02.36
We have to multiply this one and
this one and this one. It's like
00:25:02.40\00:25:05.30
the story of two guys getting on
the plane in the 70s when we had
00:25:05.33\00:25:08.20
bombs on planes. And this
one guy said to his buddy, the
00:25:08.24\00:25:10.54
chances of one bomb being on the
plane are one in a 1000 and his
00:25:10.57\00:25:14.11
buddy goes woe wait a
minute that doesn't sound very
00:25:14.14\00:25:16.24
encouraging, very comforting.
And he said wait a minute. He
00:25:16.28\00:25:19.18
said the chances of two bombs
being on the same airplane are
00:25:19.21\00:25:22.35
one in a million because you
have to multiply a 1000 times a
00:25:22.38\00:25:25.49
1000 so that you see how
the probabilities go. So I
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always carry my own
bomb. That's a good one.
00:25:28.56\00:25:31.73
But that illustrates
the probabilities of these
00:25:31.76\00:25:34.83
prophecies happening. So Christ
wasn't sold for 100 pieces of
00:25:34.86\00:25:38.00
silver or 40 pieces of silver or
whatever, 30 pieces. So we put
00:25:38.03\00:25:41.10
that at one in a 1000. The
chances that the transaction
00:25:41.14\00:25:43.74
would happen in the temple...
You see they couldn't take this
00:25:43.77\00:25:47.11
money into the treasury because
it was blood money. They could
00:25:47.14\00:25:50.58
pay a debt or buy a field. So
the transaction happened in the
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temple. They took the money and
bought Potter's Field. There are
00:25:53.68\00:25:57.72
actually two prophecies in that
one; this is Zechariah 11:13.
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The first one was Micah 5:2 and
the donkey was Zechariah 9:9.
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So we put this at one in 100,000
to two double prophecies it
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would be the transaction would
happen in the temple and they
00:26:10.27\00:26:13.97
would buy a potter's field with
it. The time of his birth was
00:26:14.00\00:26:18.81
predicted in Daniel 9:25 and
we put that at one in 10,000.
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That seems low to me.
00:26:23.65\00:26:24.98
Well we went on down, we've got
to move along here. He did not
00:26:25.01\00:26:29.18
defend himself when he was
innocent. How many times if
00:26:29.22\00:26:31.52
you're innocent you're
going to defend yourself, right.
00:26:31.55\00:26:34.09
Absolutely. What are the chances
that somebody on death row
00:26:34.12\00:26:37.46
would be buried in Bill Gates's
tomb. You see, he was condemned
00:26:37.49\00:26:40.46
and yet he was buried with the
rich. I don't have time to go
00:26:40.50\00:26:44.03
through all these. But when
we get to prophesy number 8 the
00:26:44.07\00:26:47.27
chances of one person, if
you multiply this together, the
00:26:47.30\00:26:49.77
chance of any one person
on planet earth fulfilling all
00:26:49.80\00:26:52.17
those prophecies are the same
as if you cover the State of
00:26:52.21\00:26:54.84
Texas with silver dollars two
feet high. There's one silver
00:26:54.88\00:26:57.55
dollar that has been marked on
that somewhere. You have to walk
00:26:57.58\00:27:00.78
through the State of Texas blind
folded and find that one silver
00:27:00.82\00:27:03.99
dollar. You could still possibly
find it; according to science
00:27:04.02\00:27:07.86
you could still possibly find
it but there's a number at which
00:27:07.89\00:27:10.93
you cannot find that and if
we take four more prophecies...
00:27:10.96\00:27:14.23
To the scientific mind anything
with 10 with 50 zeros behind it
00:27:14.30\00:27:17.53
can never happen.
The law of probability is
00:27:17.57\00:27:20.44
telling us then that the Bible
is absolutely accurate. Not only
00:27:20.50\00:27:25.24
was Jesus the Messiah but he is
the creator God and God created
00:27:25.27\00:27:30.01
all things. Jim thank you
so much for joining us. I can't
00:27:30.05\00:27:33.25
believe how fast the time flies.
00:27:33.28\00:27:35.68
We got it all in.
We had to talk fast.
00:27:35.72\00:27:37.45
You did well. We want to think
you so much for joining us at
00:27:37.49\00:27:40.72
home and I hope you're enjoying
this program and we're going to
00:27:40.76\00:27:43.93
invite Jim to come back for
another one because we want to
00:27:43.96\00:27:47.66
talk to you about DNA. He has
some fascinating things to share
00:27:47.66\00:27:51.73
May the Lord richly bless
you today and always. Thank you.
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