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Hello, I'm Shelley
Quinn and welcome again to
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Issues and Answers.
We're so glad that you've taken
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the time to join us today and
we are continuing today a very
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fascinating topic about
creationism, intelligent design
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or evolution. The Bible says in
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God
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created the heaven and the
earth. Now believe it or not
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there are some people who think
that is a fairy tale and they
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trust in science. They put all
of their confidence in science
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and it's a science that is
changing and disproving itself
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all the time. So we met with our
special guest, Jim Burr, last
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time and were talking about can
science be really solid enough
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to lay as our foundation of
faith or should we look more to
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the Bible. Jim, we're just glad
that you have joined us again.
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Well it's always a pleasure to
be here. You know we still have
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to respect science, discoveries
in space and some of the things.
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But when we look on the grander
scale of the universe, there's
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still so much we don't know
and the cry is that we hear from
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school boards we want
science, we want science.
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And through that cry, before
we get there and explain this I
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want to let people know just
a little bit about who you are.
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You are the president for
Heavens Declare ministries and
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you've been... It's interesting
to me that you started off as a
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business owner in the
television business but then you
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became interested in the
astronomy as a hobby and then
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you've actually designed,
developed, manufactured
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telescopes now that have
been sold to NASA and you hold a
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number of patents. So this
has become your life focus,
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has it not? Yeah, a
tent maker I guess like
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Paul. But I have a ministry.
Yeah I have a new invention
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the last few years which is
a line of binocular telescopes
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where you get a telescope
for each eye. When you look down
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into it, it looks behind you in
the sky, JMI telescopes, and we
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have a little one, the cheapest
one is about $3000 then you go
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up to a 10-inch where you
get a 10-inch eyeball. You know
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you're collecting the light like
you get a 10-inch eye for each
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eye. The you go to a 16-inch one
and now at this point there is
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nothing on planet earth that
you could buy off the shelf that
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would show you galaxies in deep
space. It was very difficult to
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do. Actually I've got two
patents on that but I took six
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motors to do it. It really
was considered almost impossible
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by people in the industry
because these things are so
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powerful how do you get the
starters when you look at them
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that there all together. I
did it with six motors. One
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telescope pivots this way
and one pivots this way. So when
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we build them we look out at
a power line pole but you get a
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pole in each eye, run the motor.
OK they're lined up this way but
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the cross bars are off. You
bring the cross bars together.
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so now with motors you've
actually aligned both these
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instruments so all the stars
are right where they should be.
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You know, you're not cross eyed.
Then the motors are focusing in.
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Each eye is spaced different
so we have a lever switch so you
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set if for your spacing
and then focusing. Fascinating.
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Then this year has been probably
the busiest year of my life, I
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think this year because I
developed a new drive system
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that's never been done before
for the Light Ridge telescope
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we have four models of that
and I think plus five of the
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products that go along with that
Then we've been on the road.
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We were in Russia in
December. We went to ASI.
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You do seminars,
you go to churches.
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They set us up for 25 programs
at ASI for the kids. Yeah 25
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programs and it was like three
in the morning and three in the
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afternoon and we've been
traveling coast to coast doing
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camp meetings and stuff like
this. The Lord has given me good
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energy and I say Lord who am I?
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Amen. Just like David right.
OK so when the people are crying
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out for science and they don't
want to hear the ideas of the
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Bible, we were looking at some
of the things that science keeps
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disproving and/or contradicting
itself. As you said we're not
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trying to thumb our nose at
science because we know that
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there is some really good
intelligence out there and it's
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amazing how far science has come
But we're saying as a foundation
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for faith it's
pretty shaky isn't it?
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Well I think particularly in
astronomy and cosmology there
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is so much we don't know and
I shared with you in the last
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program. We talked about some of
the claims. Here's one US News
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Misuse of Outer Space. It
says the universe is extremely
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complicated and each item of
information we get only shows us
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how much we don't know. Another
one; new things are coming out
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every day. I think the chances
that any one idea around today
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is true are slim. Any idea.
And yet we want science for our
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children. Here's another
one talking about dark energy or
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vacuum energy. The universe
is expanding. The galaxies are
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stretching out, accelerating,
and what is this giant sucking
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sound? Well it's vacuum energy.
Is that an oxymoron, vacuum
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energy, sucking the galaxies
out. Well it's dark energy.
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There's two basic problems.
When we look at the stars in our
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Milky Way galaxy, in the center
of the galaxy I've got pictures
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where you see stars, they've
plotted stars that are going
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around the center 20 years,
30 years. They're orbiting the
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center of the galaxy and we
have 100 billion stars and the
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stars in the arms are trying
to catch up. You know they're
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trying to go round. They're
so big and they take 100 million
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years for them to rotate
but in the center they're just
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screaming around. Well what
is it? I mean, I don't know if
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you've seen the pictures we
showed of the sun on the screen.
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The sun is like this and
the earth is like this you know.
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You could put a million in there
So we see this sun holding all
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planets. In fact Jupiter moves
our sun a half a million miles.
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When Jupiter goes around the
sun it moves it half a million
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miles. We have this humongous
sun and all these little tiny
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planets. When I look at the
galaxy what is in the center of
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the galaxy. What is it that
holds 100 billion stars? Maybe
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in another program we'll show
you the picture of the sun. It's
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just humongous compared to the
other planets. So the sun holds
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all the planets. Jupiter moves
it half a million miles. What is
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is in the center of the galaxy
that could hold 100 billion
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stars. They don't have an idea.
There's a black hole. Come on
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give me a break, a black hole.
It's supposed to suck everything
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in. Where does it go
when it goes in. It's kind of
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theoretical physics, I think the
black holes are. We don't really
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know for sure although there are
some pictures that are coming
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out that make you say maybe
there's something to it. But
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Christ holds all things together
it says in Colossians, in him
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all things are held together.
It's a mystery. Why is it
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expanding? What holds it
together? You see. So they must
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invent something to hold
the stars in the center of the
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galaxy. They call it dark, we
can't see it, because it's dark.
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It's got to be really massive
so they call it matter. So dark
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matter holds the center of the
galaxy. Dark energy or vacuum
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energy is what makes the galaxy,
all the galaxies stretch out.
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So essentially last time
we discussed a number of these
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types of things and we were
actually showing some of how
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science has disproved itself,
the theories how on the Big
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Bang theory there are six major
questions that they're arguing.
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They cannot prove. They have
no idea. There's a lot of theory
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out there. But also we were
ending talking about forbidden
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archeology and I kind of had
to cut you off because we were
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talking about the 900 pages you
said of forbidden archeology but
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we didn't get to make the point.
So tell us a little bit about
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that. Of course,
what they're saying
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is you know creation cannot be
falsified, cannot be tested or
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falsified. We're going to show
how we can test the claims of
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the Bible. But we can through
this one volume, not written by
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a Christian, Forbidden
Archeology, 900 pages, we can
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falsify evolution. When
you say we can falsify it,
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it's showing that it
has... Claims that are wrong.
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Claims that have been falsified.
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But for example, pages and pages
and pages taken from newspapers.
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You know, here's a clipping
from a newspaper in the 1700s
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and the 1800s, a coal miner
in Pennsylvania who discovered a
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gold chain or they discovered a
hammer. They see the imprint of
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when they break a piece of coal
apart. Another one I was reading
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a lady was getting her coal
in her stove and a chunk of coal
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fell apart and here was a
cup inside. Well how we can show
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evolution is wrong is because
evolution says this coal was
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made 300 million years ago and
evolution says but man didn't
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melt brass until 3300 years BC.
How did manmade items get into
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this coal you see. So we
can show that the claims of
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evolution are false. They've
shown the dinosaur prints in the
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coal and we've seen through the
strata of the earth that they
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say each stratum is so
many hundreds of thousands or
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millions of years old and then
they found a tree growing right
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through all these
strata, so that disproves that.
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There's some work been done by
Institute for Creation Research
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on Mt. Saint Helens where Spirit
Lake broke through and eroded
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and they'll go through and
they'll show you now this layer
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looks like it's 50 million years
old. Now this layer was put down
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let's say June 13th and this
was June 15th and this is... And
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they show the different layers
that happened in a couple weeks
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and it looks like 50 million
years. And then the Grand Canyon
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that's another subject. You know
from our previous program, one
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more quotation I just thought
was really cool here and this
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was from Scientific America last
2007, last fall, and it says in
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there that the Big Bang cannot
answer six questions. It offers
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no explanation apart from dumb
luck, and that is not the first
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time I've seen that. But you
know we want to teach our kids
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science. We had
mentioned actually the website
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dissent from Darwin last time.
You now scientists and people
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with degrees if they would like
to sign on there I think it's a
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simple statement. I have
questions about Darwinism. I
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don't believe in it. So it's
dissent from Darwinism. Just
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Google actually can find it.
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It's dissent from Darwin, yeah
not Darwinism. OK now let's go
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on because we're already half
way through this program just
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recapping. So we need to get on.
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OK. OK. Well what does the Bible
have to say? The Bible says God
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has made man from the dust. Dust
thou art. We can test that can't
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we? We can test that. We'll show
that coming up here actually
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about the percentage of
the elements in the body but I
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think I got ahead of myself.
But let's just talk about some
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claims of the Bible. Could
intelligent design or creation
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be more scientific than
evolution? OK here we have
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a claim in the Bible Genesis
1:22 says that all the animals
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were created after their kind.
And we don't see dogs and cats
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making dats or whatever. I
mean evolutions just happened
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millions of times, millions and
millions; it just can't help but
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happen. You see it seems like
it comes from a little warm pond
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Take an egg from a cat and a
sperm from a dog. That's all you
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need for life. I mean there's
the ingredients for life, right,
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and yet it won't work. But Bible
says after their kind. So we can
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test that can't we?
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You know what always amazed
me because everything is brought
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down to the single-cell amoeba
and science cannot create a
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single-cell amoeba but as
long as they've been studying it
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they've never seen a mutation
of a single-cell amoeba. They've
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never seen anything evolve from
that. Yet they're trying to say
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that these ingredients that are
so intelligent in this cell that
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that was an accident
and then it just kept...
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Yeah, we're going to get into
that in one of these upcoming
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programs too. The Bible says
there was a flood. You can test
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that. You can go to Mt. Everest,
you can go to any mountain top
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and you'll find shells from the
ocean. I have this little fossil
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fish here. Shelley, I really
wanted to go down to the store
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and buy a trout and put it on
the sidewalk for three days and
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take a picture every day to see
if it turns into a fossil. You
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see what happens because that
thing is gone. In a few days the
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bugs and the birds and it's
going to be nothing but bones
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in a few days. We have people
run into deer, occasionally
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we've had deer hit on the
highway up in the mountains and
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in three days the deer are gone.
All that's left are a few bones.
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They're gone. The birds come
in and the coyotes come in and
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then the mountain lion. One day
I saw a mountain lion had taken
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it down, the whole carcass down
to the creek, you see. So how
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do you get a fossil. So if like
the Bible says the fountains
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of the deep opened up and
covered up these things, there's
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a fish flat fossil fish. This
supports what the Bible says
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about the flood. And you can
look at the side. Let me show
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you the side. There are fish
flattened out all throughout
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this thing. You can look at any
side and see all these little
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marks. That's a fish and there's
another fish, there's another
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fish, there's another
fish. They're all flattened out.
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You see some people don't even
understand because they haven't
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studies the Bible. I've had
people say you can't tell me
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that just because it rained 40
days and 40 nights that that was
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enough water to cover the
earth. But what they miss is the
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scripture a lot of people
haven't heard that it wasn't
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just the rains that God brought
as the environment basically
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melted on them, but he opened up
all of the fountains of the deep
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and the windows of heaven.
So it was kind of coming at them
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from both directions.
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You know what's interesting to
me is that they're looking for
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water on Mars and they think
there may be some water under
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the soil. Scientists they'll
all agree that Mars was once
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flooded. How much water is on
Mars today? Hardly any if they
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they can find it. But we don't
have enough water on earth for a
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flood. How much of the earth is
water? The earth is 70 percent
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water but we don't have
enough for a flood. But Mars was
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flooded and it
doesn't have any water.
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Excellent point. OK. The
Bible says the stars cannot
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be counted, Jeremiah 33:22. He
says innumerable like the sands
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of the seashore. He compares the
stars of heaven and scientists
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today are quoting exactly what
Jeremiah had said 3000 years ago
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Although this is only just
recently that they've begun to
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quote that because before they
thought at one point they had
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counted them all and they kept
upping the number and upping the
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number to where it went from
hundreds to thousands to tens
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of thousands and it's
to trillions of stars.
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Yes. We think that in the
known universe that there are 70
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sextillion stars which is
70 with 20 zeros behind it.
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I can't even think of the number
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They're quoting basically what
Jeremiah said 3000 years ago.
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So we can test, we can see
all these Bible claims stack up
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against what scientists have
discovered today. The Bible says
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17 different places that he
stretched out the heavens, he
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spread them out like a tent,
he stretched them out like a
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curtain. Seventeen times the
Bible says that and scientists
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agree today, yeah we see the
universe seems to be expanding
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or stretching out just like the
Bible says. So we can test many
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of these claims. The Bible says
he hangs the earth on nothing.
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Some religions taught that
the earth was on the back of
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turtles and elephants and Atlas,
Hercules or whatever. The Bible
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says he hangs the earth on
nothing. I should be giving you
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these scriptures because someone
may want to look this up. That's
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in Job 26 verse 7 and Jeremiah
23:22 says the stars are like
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sands of the seashore
innumerable and the Bible says
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that the earth is a circle it's
not flat. He sitteth over the
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circle of the earth. That's in
Isaiah 40 verse 22. Again, all
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of these things
the Bible claims...
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And the point that we're making
here is that the Bible claimed
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this way before popular science
could catch up with it so
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science is now proving the
Bible as science becomes more
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accurate. In Psalm
102 verse 26 it says
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that the earth is waxing old
like a garment. That's repeated
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in Hebrews 1 verse 11. The earth
is getting old like a garment.
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Well we see that don't we.
We see the depletion of the
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magnetic field of the earth. If
you play that back that's very
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interesting because back
millions of years ago the
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magnetic field would have been
so strong life couldn't have
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existed here anyway. And they
say well it reverses ever so
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often; the north pole becomes
south pole. This is what the
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scientists would say that
it reverses. By looking at the
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rocks they think that they
can see the magnetic field is
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changing in the rocks and
the lava and so forth. But my
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question is what happens to all
the migratory birds that travel
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from here to Alaska to Hawaii
for 5000 miles based on magnetic
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field. What would happen to all
of these creatures if the earth
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switched on them. They would all
be going north when they should
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be going south. You know they
put birds in a cage and they put
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ink on them to see how it was
affected when they changed the
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magnetic field around them
and they discovered that somehow
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they're able to detect the
magnetic field of the earth.
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So the earth is getting old.
The magnetic field is wearing
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down. The ozone is depleting;
we hear about that. If it's just
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off a little bit who tuned it if
it's so finely tuned, who tuned
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it? We have erosion. We have the
earth slowing down. We reset our
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watches don't we. Every year
we have to adjust a few micro
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seconds. There's many things.
Oh there's another statement
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from scripture that tells us
that the Bible is right on the
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money. The Bible says one star
differs from another star in
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glory. I Corinthians 15:41 says
there's one glory of the sun,
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another glory of the moon and
one star differs from another
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star in glory. We now know
there are not two stars in the
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universe alike. Every star has
its own like a fingerprint, its
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own spectral light. There's
a myriad of colors, color
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variation. It has to do with the
temperature of the stars and the
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elements present there. But
yet every star is different just
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like every person is different.
There's not another Shelley
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Quinn in the universe.
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To which some may say thank
goodness. But the point is that
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at the time that this was
written they didn't have these
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magnificent telescopes to know
this. I mean, people looked up
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at the stars and thought they
pretty much all looked alike.
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So this had to be by divine
inspiration as in Job 28 that I
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read last time where Job says
where is the way of light and
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that had to be divine
inspiration because light moves
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at 186,000 miles per second
and it could only be a way not a
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a place. So as, I don't want to
say uneducated, as undeveloped
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as science was back the Bible
was light years ahead of what
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the scientists knew
then and what some know now.
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Exactly right. You know, the
second law of thermodynamics,
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if we look at Romans 8:22 where
it says the creation itself will
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be set free from the bondage of
decay. That goes along with the
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second law of thermodynamics.
Everything in the universe is
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running down. Everything is
tending toward disorder. You
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know, check your garage if
you don't believe it right. You
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make it all nice and then
what happens next month, right.
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everything is running down
and declining and tending toward
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disorder. As the Bible says
the creation itself will be set
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free from the bondage to decay.
And that goes right along with
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the second law of thermodynamics
So you see when you say it can't
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be tested, yes, there are many
things we can test about the
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Bible. And show me; we can
falsify things about evolution.
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I mean they are out to present
you know fossils that have been
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doctored. I was just reading
in National Geographic now they
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think they had this fossil of
a dinosaur where they think they
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put the legs from a chicken and
the tail feathers from a chicken
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different types of particles on
this fossil to make it look like
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it was an intermediate
between dinosaurs and birds.
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I forget which one I read;
it was about one of the latest
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discoveries of a man that
the design of it shows him all
00:21:07.47\00:21:11.51
hunched over like and all they
found was two little tiny bones
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so this was all an artist's
conception and for most isn't it
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It's amazing. So, oh
boy, these programs go
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right by don't they? Ten million
cells are destroyed every second
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in your body. Ten million cells
are replicated every second.
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So the regeneration... There's
10 million cells dying and 10
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million cells replicating or
regenerating. That is amazing to
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think of. When you
think of those cells
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the more you realize how
complex these cells are the more
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you realize the importance of
what you put in to nourish them.
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Give them good stuff you know.
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We are fearfully
and wonderfully made.
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Yes. Psalm 139:1 Fearfully and
wonderfully made. It says there
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that we're knit together. You
know scientists used that very
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word to describe DNA
replication. That we're knit
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together like it says in Psalm
139. We're knit together. O Lord
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thou has searched me and know
me. Thou knowest my downsitting,
00:22:07.97\00:22:11.61
my uprising, thou understandest
my thoughts afar off. Thou
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compasseth my path and my lying
down and are acquainted with all
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my ways. So we are
going to come back on
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another program and talk about
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DNA, aren't we, because this
is this fascinating model that's
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been sitting here. I'm
going to give you a cake
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recipe and we're going to have
you compare a cake recipe to the
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replication of DNA.
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All right, I'll
look forward to that.
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Um, the first law
of thermodynamics goes
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along with creation. The first
law of thermodynamics says you
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matter can never be created
or destroyed. You can't create
00:22:44.68\00:22:48.63
matter or destroy it. You
can change it. When you light a
00:22:48.67\00:22:52.58
match. OK, I see
where you're going.
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Yes. You've
converted it to heat and
00:22:54.30\00:22:55.87
light and smoke, right. And yet
if you look at Einstein's theory
00:22:55.91\00:23:03.51
of relativity it's the
equivalent mass, matter and
00:23:03.54\00:23:06.38
energy. This is matter, OK. And
you see the Bible says by the
00:23:06.42\00:23:11.96
word of the Lord were the
heavens made. Jesus said all
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power is given to me. You see
power is energy isn't it? Yes.
00:23:15.73\00:23:19.25
The power of God could be energy
so that energy could call this
00:23:19.29\00:23:23.47
mass into existence. We could
go to Hiroshima and we took the
00:23:23.51\00:23:27.27
mass of a slice of bread and
created a bomb that blew away
00:23:27.31\00:23:31.01
100,000 people. I think that was
creation in reverse. There is so
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much incredible energy in
the atom. If you took a hydrogen
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atom and burned it like with a
match, a chemical reaction, you
00:23:40.55\00:23:44.70
could get one volt from it. If
you nuke one hydrogen atom you
00:23:44.74\00:23:48.50
could get a trillion volts. The
difference between a chemical
00:23:48.54\00:23:52.64
reaction and a nuclear reaction
is a trillion times, you see.
00:23:52.68\00:23:56.29
And so the power of God, I think
when we split the atom we are
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reversing creation because I
think God... When he created the
00:24:00.96\00:24:05.53
universe, he
didn't lift a finger.
00:24:05.57\00:24:07.73
That's an excellent point.
00:24:07.77\00:24:08.84
By the breath of his mouth, you
see, by the breath of his mouth
00:24:08.87\00:24:12.00
he could call the universe into
existence. That goes along with
00:24:12.03\00:24:15.40
the theory of relativity, the
equivalence of mass and energy.
00:24:15.43\00:24:18.76
Splitting the atom, we release
the energy God put there when he
00:24:18.80\00:24:22.09
created. His word
is alive and active for
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certain. Another
claim of the Bible,
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Genesis 2:1, Thus the heavens
and the earth were finished.
00:24:28.99\00:24:30.84
That goes along with again
the first law of thermodynamics
00:24:30.88\00:24:32.66
which says there is no more mass
we can't create energy or mass,
00:24:32.69\00:24:38.14
and neither create nor destroy.
It's always changed. So when the
00:24:38.17\00:24:42.93
Bible says thus the heavens were
finished, that's something again
00:24:42.97\00:24:47.06
scientists would agree with. The
Lord formed man out of the dust
00:24:47.10\00:24:51.16
of the ground. You know the
Bible says that man came from
00:24:51.19\00:24:55.93
the dust of the ground. We
could look at the elements.
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What is it? Dust thou art
and to dust shalt thou return.
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And we can look at the elements.
What elements do we see in the
00:25:03.25\00:25:06.99
human body? All the elements we
see in the crust of the earth,
00:25:07.03\00:25:10.86
not in the core of the earth
but in the crust of the earth.
00:25:10.90\00:25:14.63
Oxygen 65 percent in the human
body. Carbon 18, hydrogen 10
00:25:14.66\00:25:18.10
percent, 3 percent nitrogen
and so forth. You see that goes
00:25:18.14\00:25:22.75
along again, you see how
they say we can't test creation.
00:25:22.78\00:25:27.78
So over and over again we can
test the creation theory and we
00:25:27.82\00:25:33.70
can test what the Bible says.
The Book of Daniel, that's one
00:25:33.74\00:25:39.59
of those books to me that
proves... I'm kind of like
00:25:39.63\00:25:42.97
Sir Isaac Newton, that was the
book for me that nailed it as
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far as knowing that every word
of God was absolutely divinely
00:25:46.99\00:25:53.08
inspired. But our bottom line is
that we believe, you and I, in a
00:25:53.11\00:25:58.73
creator God and you are proving
and showing that the Bible can
00:25:58.76\00:26:04.35
be proven, it can be tested.
Not just theoretical but the
00:26:04.38\00:26:08.46
statements of the Bible are
proving to have been thousands
00:26:08.49\00:26:13.05
of years ahead of what the
knowledge of the day was, even
00:26:13.09\00:26:17.58
beyond our knowledge today, if
you will. And we're not putting
00:26:17.61\00:26:22.38
science down as far as saying,
I mean, it's a wonderful field,
00:26:22.41\00:26:26.54
there's some wonderful knowledge
and the Lord has certainly
00:26:26.57\00:26:30.78
blessed but what we're saying is
bottom line you can't put your
00:26:30.81\00:26:35.17
faith in scientific theories
because they change so rapidly.
00:26:35.20\00:26:39.44
Exactly right and also we
know that there's some deception
00:26:39.48\00:26:43.68
going on. You see we know
particularly in the fossil
00:26:43.71\00:26:47.32
record. Harold Cook was in
Nebraska in, I guess, a gravel
00:26:47.35\00:26:51.46
pit, found a tooth. It
became the Nebraska man,
00:26:51.50\00:26:55.06
hesperopithecus, herald cookii
and it was a pig's tooth and
00:26:55.09\00:26:59.89
the artist created a whole race
of ape men living in Nebraska a
00:26:59.92\00:27:04.69
million years ago. I mean
we have the Java man, Eugene
00:27:04.72\00:27:08.39
Dubois. We have so many of these
attempts to falsify fossils and
00:27:08.43\00:27:13.42
so forth. Our time is
getting low isn't it Shelley.
00:27:13.46\00:27:15.22
Our time is up. This is so
fascinating. You've got a lot of
00:27:15.25\00:27:18.41
facts in you. It's just fun to
sit and talk to you. Thank you,
00:27:18.44\00:27:22.04
Jim, for joining us today and I
believe that you've stirred some
00:27:22.07\00:27:26.78
people's faith out there. So for
those of you at home, we talked
00:27:26.81\00:27:30.63
about so many facts so rapidly,
if you want to get a copy of
00:27:30.66\00:27:33.83
this program you can always call
3ABN during regular business
00:27:33.86\00:27:37.84
hours or go online and order a
copy of this program. But these
00:27:37.88\00:27:42.89
are things that we need to be
able to answer, why we have the
00:27:42.93\00:27:46.69
faith and trust that we have
in the Bible. So I hope you'll
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study up on this.
Thanks so much for joining us.
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We'll see you next time.
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