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Hello I'm Shelley
Quinn and welcome again to
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Issues and Answers. We
welcome you no matter where
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you're joining us from around
the world. I think today you're
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going to be extra glad that you
tuned in because we are going to
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have an incredible discussion
on evolution, intelligent design
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and creationism. You know the
bible says in Romans 1:18 and 19
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let me read this to you. It
says For God's holy wrath and
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indignation are revealed from
heaven against all ungodliness
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and all unrighteousness of men
who in their wickedness repress
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and hinder the truth and make it
inoperative. For that which is
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known about God is evident
to them and made plain in their
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inner consciousness because God
himself has shown it to them.
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For ever since the creation of
the world his invisible nature
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and attributes, that is his
eternal power and divinity have
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been made intelligible and
clearly discernible through the
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things that have been
made. So men are without excuse,
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altogether without any kind
of defense or justification.
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Please help us welcome our
special guest Jim Burr and Jim
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is the president of Heavens
Declare ministry. Jim we are
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so thankful that you
have returned to 3ABN.
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Yeah, it's always an honor for
me to get a call and say would
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you come again,
invited back. It's a big honor.
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You know I remember watching you
some years ago when you did the
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Christian Concerns and it was
always so fascinating because
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your whole involvement is
fascinating to me because you
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started off in the television
business and then just through
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amateur astronomy, you
became very interested in that,
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suddenly you started developing
and manufacturing telescopes and
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you've even sold
telescopes to NASA haven't you?
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We did sell two, yes, for
the Mars science lab which the
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project now, the major part, has
been cancelled, but yes we did
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sell two to NASA. That
is amazing. And I know that
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you're also an inventor and
you hold 12 or at least about a
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dozen patents, I think.
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Something like that I guess yeah
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Something like that. Now what
we're going to be talking today
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about is creationism, evolution
and intelligent design. Let me
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ask you a quick question. When
our schools are saying we want
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science for our kids. We want
it to be absolutely something
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that's trustworthy, that you can
prove. You've got these three
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theories out here and really to
me creationism and intelligent
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design are very closely akin.
Intelligent design just doesn't
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say who the designer is. But
can the Bible be proven? Let me
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phrase this another way. Is
science really that reliable?
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Well we're going to show today
that there are so many problems
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with science. So much is learned
Every day something new is
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coming out and old things are
shown to be obsolete and we've
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got new theories. Even now
they're saying we need a new
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physics because this latest
discovery violates all standard
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physics. So what we want to
do is show the cry is give us...
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we want science. We want
something we can taste, touch
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feel you know verify, solid
science. And yet we're going to
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show some of the problems with
evolution and the thing about
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intelligent design... The
intelligent design movement is a
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recent movement as opposed
to evolution. The intelligent
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design people tend not to say
who this intelligent designer is
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They're kind of fence
straddlers aren't they?
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Yeah right. They're kind of
between a rock and a hard place.
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The evolutionists say tell us
who this intelligent designer is
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so we can write it off. We want
to write off God. Tell us it's
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God, come on tell us. And
they're reluctant to say it's
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God and the Christians over here
are saying to the intelligent
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design people, tell them, tell
them it's God. Because it's on
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it's on our side you see.
Basically Michael Behe has been
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one who is really prominent
in that and has come out with
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the Darwin's Black Box which is
really a wonderful book and he
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shows the complexity of the
bacteria flagellar motor, he
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talks about the mousetrap that
you need all the ingredients
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there before it works. It's like
your car. If I take your starter
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it isn't going to work, right.
If I pull out a piston, it's not
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going to run. So Michael Behe is
saying irreducible complexity,
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everything has to be there and
how do you evolve all of these
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different ingredients to make
it work. So the cry is we want
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science for our kids. So today
I would just like to show what
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some of the problems with
evolution are and then show how
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we can actually test the Bible.
The Bible's not a science book,
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but yet there are so many things
that are scientifically accurate
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You know the Bible writers were
prevented from following the
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common errors of the day. You
know when some religions said
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the earth is supported on the
backs of turtles and elephants.
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That it was flat. Yeah
and that kind of stuff.
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And the Bible writers talk about
the circle of the earth. Let me
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share this real quick. I'm
not going to have much to say
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through this whole program but
when we were talking earlier I
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told you one of my favorite
scriptures was Job 38:19. It
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says, where is the way where
light dwells and as for darkness
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where is it's abode? And then in
the note here in my Bible, the
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footnote says, how except
by divine inspiration could Job
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have known that light does not
dwell in a place but in a way
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for light as modern man has
discovered involves motion, wave
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motions traveling 186,000 miles
a second it can only dwell in a
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way. So like you said the
Bible proves to be far beyond...
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We're probably going to mention
the 15 points here that can be
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tested and this is what they're
saying. You can't test creation,
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you can't test intelligent
design. You know we want
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something that can be tested and
falsified. And I think we can
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test it and that's what I would
like to share with you today.
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You wouldn't teach astronomy
from a book that's 25 years old
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because it's just out of date.
I was on an airplane, this was a
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red eye into Denver at 2 in the
morning and I turned on KOA's
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radio just in time to hear the
announcer say Professor you have
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written this book and you
say you can now show through
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chemistry and physics there is
no God. And I'm going I got to
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get on the radio. I have KOA
on my speed dial along with a
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couple other radio stations.
So I'm headed home up in the
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mountains, it's almost an hour's
drive, and I get on the radio
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and I say professor you know
there's two sides to every story
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He's presenting his case on
evolution and there's no God
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and yet the announcer is not
challenging him or questioning
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him on it. So I get on the radio
and I say you know there's two
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sides to every story. I said
I read these magazines. I would
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like to paraphrase, I'm on the
freeway, I can't read it to you,
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but I would like to paraphrase
six quotations from some of the
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scientific magazines. I'd like
to be able to talk about them
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after I paraphrase them for you.
I had a little chance while I
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was on hold to write a few notes
and so I said professor there
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was an article in the Sky
and Telescope magazine and the
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headline said how can
astronomers keep a straight face
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because to the public they
present the idea that evolution
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is a fact and yet they argue
over five major areas of the big
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bang. How can they keep a
straight face? I said in Sky and
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Telescope magazine of 2001 there
was an article where we now know
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and it's proven that the
universe is expanding it's
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acceleration of the galaxies
like somebody's got their pedal
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on the metal. They're going
faster and faster apart every
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day and Sky and Telescope
says this violates all standard
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physics. Now the cry is we
want the latest science and here
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they're saying this discovery
violates physics, right? And
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professor here's an article
in Astronomy magazine. They're
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talking about Lauren and Postman
These two famous people you read
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about, you hear their names a
lot, and they believe it looks
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like, they have discovered
a river of galaxies. Here's a
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river of galaxies going that-a-
way. What does the article say?
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If this is true, we
know less that nothing.
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Everything keeps disproving
their previous theories.
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We know less than nothing. Now
I know writers like to make a
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good story, right? But it's
still interesting reading. We
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know less than nothing if
this discovery is true. So I'm
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quoting the different quotations
Well about this time the radio
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man, the announcer, comes on
and says we have a news break
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coming up, could I remain
on the phone. Well of course.
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It's 3 in the morning and
I should be sleeping but I'm
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pumped, right? So he comes back
on and I say professor I've read
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more than one time where people
talking about the super nova
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explosion. We have in our
galaxy explosions of stars, we
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can call them explosions.
We have the biggest stars, seem
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to be the gas guzzlers,
the biggest ones seem to use up
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their fuel and expand like a
balloon till they can't expand
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any more and then we get this
humongous nuclear eruption and
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it's beautiful. Most of the
pictures that we'll see that
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we'll be showing are these
exploding super nova eruptions.
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And I said I'm reading a book
professor and it says here that
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in this super nova eruption
are created all the elements
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necessary for life including
oxygen. And I said, professor
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most all science would agree
that when you think life arose
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one earth there was no oxygen
here, a reducing atmosphere.
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We can't have oxygen. It
would oxidize the elements we're
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trying to produce life with.
Miller and Nary were trying to
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do that. We're going to get to
that in another program. I said
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professor so here they're
saying all the elements that are
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necessary for life in super nova
eruptions including oxygen yet
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most scientists say life
arose on earth with no oxygen.
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Professor, when you get that
first living cell what do you
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need; copious amounts of oxygen.
And he didn't like that. And he
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says well you just got to
stop reading those writings.
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So he didn't have any response,
any scientific response.
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He didn't have any response and
I think there was about one more
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that I said. Norwood is a noted
astrophysicist and Mr. Norwood
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says in his article in his book
that we have in our Milky Way
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galaxy a hundred billion stars
and we have at least another
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hundred billion galaxies...
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What's a hundred
billion times a hundred billion?
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The silent embarrassment to
astrophysicists is they cannot
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tell you how even one star
formed. I said, professor, can
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you tell me how our sun was
formed. Well at this point he
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just started talking over me.
I mean, he was trying to sell a
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book, right? And I wasn't
helping his sales of his book.
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Good for you.
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I mean, this is Clear Channel,
this was KOA, this was nation
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wide, truckers in the middle of
the night are driving and I was
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just happy that we were able
to challenge some of the garbage
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that's being presented there.
So we want science for our
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kids. In 1984 they came out with
a new theory of how the moon
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formed. They don't have
the first clue of how the moon
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formed. I mean they've got
a number of theories and ideas
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about it. So in 1984 we had a
new theory getting attention and
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this is an article from
Planetary Science Research
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that says the cloud from which
the solar system, that's the
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sun's system, formed was
composed of gas and gas somehow,
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can we test somehow, we don't
know how, somehow, that dusty
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cloud the sun formed in the
center of the planets which all
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formed around it, somehow.
Can we test that? No we can't.
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We can't test that. But we
want to be able... we want solid
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science. Someone
told me once, a man who
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was in the book business,
he sold books to schools I mean
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and he said that the books that
were the most quickly outdated
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are science books. Is that true?
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I think that's probably true,
yeah. I'll just share a couple
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quotations with you. This was
in U.S. News and Promater was a
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famous astrophysicist and he
says the universe is extremely
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complicated and each new item
of information we get only shows
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us who much we don't know. We
want the latest science but we
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don't know. New things are
coming out every day. I think
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the chances that any one of the
ideas that are around today are
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slim. See this is a famous
Berkley astrophysicist who says
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the chances of any one idea I
think are true. We're going to
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probably find out they're wrong.
And the big issue over dark
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energy, I know our time is
moving along, This is again from
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Promater and he says dark energy
is something we have no clue
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as to what's causing it and it
doesn't fit any of our current
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physics theories and they have
to develop new approaches to
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explain it and so forth. By
looking you see at the galaxies
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gravity affects everything in
the universe and when they look
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at the density of the galaxies
and the rotation of the galaxies
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and they say in order to make
this whole thing work there's
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something missing. You know
96 percent of the universe is
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unknowable. We cannot see.
There's only about four percent
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they believe. When I
read these scientific
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and I know really very little
about astronomy, but I do read
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articles, I read scientific
journals. For example among
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geologists, we kind of have a
tendency to think that geology
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is a science that can be proven
and yet geologists, it's all
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theories and there's fighting
among themselves which theory
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is correct. For example
take carbon dating. Most people
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accept that as something that
is a scientific, provable fact
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yet it is a theory. You now when
you look at between something
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like that, what goes on with
astronomy and the advances that
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we've made... You were showing
me the straw, you had that
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straw in your pocket, the straw
where you look through and just
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see the little speck, explain
that to me for a second because
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that's amazing. Well
we'll maybe do another
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program. You know I always like
the straw; seems to really get
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people's attention because I ask
them do you think you can see
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one star through this little
stir stick because people think
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a telescope gets these big
pictures of the heavens and
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actually we look at the tiniest
little speck. The Hubble looks
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for 10 days back in 19951/25th
of one degree of the sky and
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they photographed 3000 galaxies
through that little speck of the
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sky. How many? Three thousand
galaxies. Three thousand
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galaxies through that one little
tiny speck and if you were to
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look at that, how
many specks times...?
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You mean how many
pictures would I have to take?
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Yeah, how many pictures?
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To take pictures of the
whole sky well we've got a real
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problem because today the sun is
covering up a bazillion galaxies
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out there because behind the sun
is all illuminated in the sky
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and I can't see that part of
the sky because the sun is there
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but in six months we'll be on
the other side of the sun. Now
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we can see the rest of the
universe. We'd have to go to
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Australia too to get the rest
of the galaxies. It would be
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27 million pictures through
here to cover the whole sky.
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Times at least 3000.
Twenty-five thousand.
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Twenty-five thousand galaxies
times 100 billion stars so we're
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talking about numbers that
none of us could comprehend.
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His ways are as high as the
heavens are above the earth.
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Are my ways above your ways
as high as the heavens are above
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the earth. Are my thought above
your thoughts. My ways are not
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your ways. Because
I think sometimes man
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thinks we are so important
and you think about what the
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psalmist David said. You know,
what is man that you are mindful
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of him? When you think of all
the glory of God in all of his
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creation and here on this tiny
little speck called earth we're
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these little tiny little
specks called man. It's amazing.
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That's Psalm 8, what is man
that you are mindful of him.
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And Jesus left that. We're going
to have to make this into two
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programs Shelley because...
You know Jesus left the glory of
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heaven and the worship of the
angels. They're now discovering
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that... They've been looking at
a star, HT97048 as a Nova star.
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Scientists have been studying
that and they have discovered
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precious diamonds and rubies and
gems and sapphires in space and
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and the article says that in
this star they have discovered
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there are 100,000 to
one million trillion tons of
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diamonds. How do
they know that though?
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Well because they look at
the carbon, the temperature, the
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pressure and diamonds have
a lot of carbon present, the
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the temperature there and so
forth. Well what's interesting
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the Bible says that though
he was rich yet for our sakes he
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became poor that we through his
poverty might become rich. Goes
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right along with priceless gems
in space. There's even more but
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I don't have it in front of me.
But things have been discovered.
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Lawrence Livermore University
has been looking at the sun.
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This was announced in 1987
and it was repeated again more
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recently and they said
that every element on earth is
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present on the sun. They could
see every element on earth is
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present in the sun. And they
have discovered that the sun
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has enough gold to pay the
United States national debt five
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hundred million times over.
That's amazing. And they've been
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looking at... Of
course to mine that gold
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would be our
death knell wouldn't it?
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Without the sun we
wouldn't even survive.
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But they've been looking at
Uranus and Neptune and they say
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the carbon, the temperature
and the pressure on those two
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planets, Lawrence Livermore
University you remember, and
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they say that there may be
30 percent diamonds on those
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planets, Uranus and Neptune.
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But the whole point of where
we're starting, and I'd love for
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you to come back so let's make
this two programs, but the whole
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point that we're making today
is that here you've got people
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parents crying, we want science
for our children, and yet
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science is the one thing that
cannot be proven because I mean
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it keeps changing. What they
think they're proving changes
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from decade to decade, sometimes
year to year, I guess. Whereas
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sometime scientific discoveries
actually come in and support
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what the Bible says. Is that not
true? Just like archeologists
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who used to say oh we can't
find that and now the more we
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discover of
archeology there they are.
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Well, yes, you know we have
to respect some of what's being
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done. I mean we sent the Cassini
space craft to Saturn, a billion
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miles away. But the problem is
I think that the universe is so
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big and so far away and we have
all these theories about the
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universe. The Cassini is an
incredible space craft. It's
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like a school bus. It weighs
12 tons. We don't have a big
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enough rocket to get that a
billion miles away to Saturn.
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So what did they do. They shoot
it off to Venus. Now it's headed
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towards Venus like a sling shot.
It's falling towards Venus and
00:19:13.11\00:19:15.56
gravity of Venus is pulling. But
it misses Venus. Like a sling
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shot it picks up speed around
Venus, then they shoot it back
00:19:18.13\00:19:20.99
to earth. Now Venus is doing
70,000 miles around the sun,
00:19:21.02\00:19:23.81
earth is doing 66,000 miles. And
they aim it back toward earth.
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Now it's falling towards earth
but like a sling shot it picks
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up speed back to Venus again
picking up speed off to Jupiter
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a half a billion miles away.
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You mean we've achieved this?
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They've achieved this, yes.
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Isn't that amazing
what man has achieved.
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Yes and then to Saturn. It takes
seven years to get to Saturn
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that's a billion miles away.
They fly it through the F and
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and the G rings. They've
got a 2500 mile window and they
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fly it there. They reverse it
and fire the rockets 96 hours.
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Now it's in orbit about Saturn.
OK. So you have to say the God
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who made the laws that
they follow. I mean you think of
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just hitting Venus. I mean
the earth is doing 66, Venus is
00:20:02.17\00:20:04.72
doing 70,000 miles an hour and
we're going to fire our rocket
00:20:04.76\00:20:07.16
on a moving space craft. We're
going to hit this one and go
00:20:07.20\00:20:10.10
around there right, you know.
It is incredible. It's amazing
00:20:10.13\00:20:12.96
what they've done. So we do need
to respect solid science. In the
00:20:13.00\00:20:19.00
process we saved 75 tons of
rocket fuel by using gravity
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assist, using the gravity of
Venus and earth and Venus and
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Jupiter. We saved 75 tons
of rocket fuel because we don't
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have a big enough rocket. I
don't know if the Russians have
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a big enough rocket. We don't
anyway have a big enough rocket
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to shoot a school bus that far
away. So that's incredible stuff
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you know. That is just
incredible. How are we doing on
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time? We've got
seven minutes left.
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Yes we have a few minutes left
if you want to bring something
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else up here. Well
again the cry is we want
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science for our kids. The Big
Bang cannot answer six profound
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questions. This was in an
article in Scientific American
00:20:53.99\00:20:59.24
last year, 2007. They came out
with a special feature on the
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of the universe the origin of
the universe. So it says in here
00:21:03.74\00:21:07.16
in one of these articles, there
are six profound question that
00:21:07.19\00:21:09.98
cannot be answered. The other
magazine said five, now we got
00:21:10.01\00:21:13.09
up to six; we're making progress
here. Ten years ago we had five
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things but now we've got six.
It says in this article the Big
00:21:17.98\00:21:22.85
Bang offers no explanation
for this apart from dumb luck.
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I heard someone say it would
be like taking a junk yard,
00:21:27.57\00:21:32.15
throwing in a stick of dynamite
and thinking that explosion, a
00:21:32.19\00:21:36.18
B-47 designed would
be coming out of that.
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Yeah, I think it was Francis
Crick that said that evolution
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is like a tornado going through
a junk yard and producing a 747.
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You know. The chances, what's
the chances of that happening?
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So not here they're saying that
the Big Bang cannot explain the
00:21:52.30\00:21:56.30
universe apart from dumb luck.
So make a little bit of fun of
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that the kids in school go okay
today I want your attention kids
00:22:00.04\00:22:03.69
because today we're going
to give you the latest science.
00:22:03.72\00:22:07.02
I'm going to teach you about
dumb luck. This is not the first
00:22:07.05\00:22:10.78
time I've read dumb luck. In
US News this is at least three
00:22:10.82\00:22:14.59
times I have read where they
said you know this is just like
00:22:14.62\00:22:18.36
dumb luck. You know
I've read a couple of
00:22:18.39\00:22:21.61
articles and even a book by an
atheist who is a scientist and I
00:22:21.65\00:22:26.14
forget his name actually but
he was saying that the reason he
00:22:26.17\00:22:30.63
couldn't support certain
theories was because that
00:22:30.66\00:22:34.50
would support God. He said I
can't prove what I believe but I
00:22:34.54\00:22:38.27
will not support the
other because what you're saying
00:22:38.30\00:22:41.69
supports what the Bible says. So
there are people out there with
00:22:41.73\00:22:45.66
an agenda as well.
We've got to remember that.
00:22:45.69\00:22:47.87
Absolutely, absolutely. I could
have brought along a lot of
00:22:47.91\00:22:53.09
things along that line but
they're not even bashful about
00:22:53.12\00:22:58.23
admitting it goes against our
sexual mores, we can't appeal to
00:22:58.27\00:23:04.64
a miracle. They can't have a
miracle. We want solid science.
00:23:04.67\00:23:11.31
So I mentioned before that 96
percent of the universe we can't
00:23:11.35\00:23:17.96
see. It's dark matter. It's
unknowable; 96 percent of the
00:23:17.99\00:23:21.85
universe is unknowable. And yet
the Bible says in Colossians 2
00:23:21.89\00:23:24.98
verse 3 in him are hid all
the treasures of wisdom and
00:23:25.01\00:23:27.27
knowledge. His ways are past
finding out. Job 9:9, God's ways
00:23:27.31\00:23:32.52
are past finding out.
When you think about people who
00:23:32.55\00:23:38.98
are supporting the Big Bang
theory in evolution having five
00:23:39.02\00:23:42.01
major questions a number of
years ago that they could not
00:23:42.04\00:23:44.93
agree on, that they couldn't
find any solution, and instead
00:23:44.97\00:23:48.79
of reducing it now there's
six. So if we had to take away
00:23:48.82\00:23:51.75
because we only have a couple
more minutes and I know you
00:23:51.79\00:23:54.65
could quote for quite some time
here. We'll pick up on some of
00:23:54.69\00:23:57.81
this that you didn't get in
here but if you had a take away
00:23:57.85\00:24:01.56
today what do you say to someone
out here who isn't sure that
00:24:01.60\00:24:05.28
they can swallow the
idea of a creator God?
00:24:05.31\00:24:12.76
First I'd actually like to
promote something, a website.
00:24:12.80\00:24:16.09
There's a dissent from Darwin
and this is scientists. They're
00:24:16.13\00:24:20.95
looking for people who would
sign their name to a simple
00:24:20.98\00:24:25.84
statement that we don't put
any belief or we have serious
00:24:25.87\00:24:30.22
questions about Darwinian
evolution. And they have over
00:24:30.26\00:24:34.58
700 scientists now
that have signed on.
00:24:34.61\00:24:36.30
These are Ph. D. types.
00:24:36.33\00:24:37.61
These are Ph. D. type scientific
people who have signed on and
00:24:37.65\00:24:41.33
they're looking for more. It
simply, I think, strengthens our
00:24:41.37\00:24:44.59
case because they say well
scientists don't believe this,
00:24:44.62\00:24:48.64
scientists don't believe in
evolution. So it's dissent from
00:24:48.67\00:24:52.16
Darwin and you just put your
name on a simple signature there
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So that's good. But you're
asking what would you say to
00:24:55.69\00:24:59.94
people. Well I think Jeremiah is
a good example. Jeremiah 33:22:
00:24:59.98\00:25:07.31
Jeremiah said the stars are
like the sands of the seashore,
00:25:07.34\00:25:10.66
innumerable. Like you cannot
count the sands of the seashore
00:25:10.70\00:25:13.87
you cannot count the stars of
heaven. Well you know that was
00:25:13.91\00:25:16.85
3000 years ago. Scientists are
quoting Jeremiah. I've read it
00:25:16.89\00:25:19.80
more than once. Now
wait. Three thousand years
00:25:19.83\00:25:22.23
ago they're going they thought
that they had counted all the
00:25:22.27\00:25:25.33
stars in the sky didn't they?
00:25:25.36\00:25:26.74
Put Jeremiah in a mental
institution. Jeremiah don't you
00:25:26.78\00:25:29.59
read Guinness book where we
counted the stars. Don't you
00:25:29.62\00:25:33.82
keep up with science. We know
there's 5116 stars in the sky.
00:25:33.85\00:25:37.07
Jeremiah you say like sands of
the seashore. Put this guy away
00:25:37.10\00:25:40.14
right? Well scientists today
are saying exactly what Jeremiah
00:25:40.18\00:25:43.19
said 3000 years about.
Scientists today, and I've read
00:25:43.22\00:25:45.66
it more than once, say they
believe that the total number of
00:25:45.70\00:25:49.28
sands on planet earth are
roughly 70 sextillion which
00:25:49.31\00:25:53.42
would be like 70 time 10 to the
22nd power. And scientists say
00:25:53.46\00:25:58.86
we think that this is roughly
the stars in the known universe.
00:25:58.90\00:26:02.90
This is roughly equivalent to
the stars in the known universe.
00:26:02.93\00:26:06.90
This was what Jeremiah
said 3000 years ago. What we're
00:26:06.93\00:26:09.19
going to have to do in the next
program is show statement after
00:26:09.23\00:26:12.76
statement in the Bible you know
that are scientifically accurate
00:26:12.79\00:26:16.29
But actually I see we didn't
get even done with showing the
00:26:16.32\00:26:20.12
problems. I have book, 900
pages it's not even written by a
00:26:20.16\00:26:23.99
Christian. The title is
Forbidden Archeology and it's
00:26:24.02\00:26:28.37
900 pages and it shows newspaper
clippings from the 1700s and
00:26:28.40\00:26:33.05
1800s and documenting... A lot
of it has to do with coal mines.
00:26:33.08\00:26:36.99
There'll be an article in
Pennsylvania in that coal mine
00:26:37.02\00:26:40.19
they dug up a chunk of coal
today and there was a gold chain
00:26:40.22\00:26:43.37
inside or there was a hammer
inside. They broke apart the
coal and out... You
00:26:43.40\00:26:46.32
know here's the imprint of a
hammer and what does evolution
00:26:46.36\00:26:49.77
say this was 300 million
years ago this coal was made and
00:26:49.80\00:26:53.46
man didn't start melting metal
till 3300 years B.C. you know.
00:26:53.50\00:26:57.13
So the bottom line is we're
nearly out of time but we're
00:26:57.16\00:27:01.97
going to come back here. The
bottom line is if someone has
00:27:02.00\00:27:06.73
not tested the Bible for
them self or tested God we want
00:27:06.77\00:27:10.52
to encourage you to do that.
All right? Yes that's right.
00:27:10.56\00:27:13.75
I'm so thankful that you have
joined us. You know what? It's
00:27:13.79\00:27:16.85
too bad you don't have a little
bit of enthusiasm for your topic
00:27:16.88\00:27:19.91
I love it because you just
get so excited and you're so
00:27:19.94\00:27:23.58
passionate about
this, but thank you so much.
00:27:23.61\00:27:26.27
Well it's exciting stuff
you know. How can you not be?
00:27:26.31\00:27:29.72
Amen, amen. We're going to pick
right up and you're going to
00:27:29.76\00:27:32.93
come back and we're going to do
this again. And then for those
00:27:32.97\00:27:36.50
at home if you don't have
complete confidence in the Bible
00:27:36.53\00:27:40.07
yet we hope that by the time
you see the next program you'll
00:27:40.10\00:27:43.40
see that there is a creator God.
He has a plan for your life and
00:27:43.43\00:27:46.40
it's better than the one you're
living. I can tell you. I know
00:27:46.43\00:27:49.37
it's still better than the one
I'm living. Thank you so much
00:27:49.40\00:27:52.31
for joining us.
We'll see you again.
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