Hello, I'm Shelley Quinn
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and welcome again
to Issues and Answers.
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We are glad that you joined us
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and we got a guest
today that is so much fun
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and I just love
him, he is precious.
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But you are going to
want to get a pen and a paper,
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sit down and take some
notes on today's program.
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I relay believe
that, we are going to be
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talking about the issues
of Assurance of Salvation.
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Can you have assurance?
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Let me read to
you a Bible scripture
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that I love it
comes from 1 John 5:11, 12
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"This is the testimony,
God gave us eternal life,
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and this life is in his Son.
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He who possesses
the Son has that life
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he who does not
possess the Son of God
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does not have that life."
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Let me invite you to help me
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to welcome Pastor Philip
Dunham from Salem, Oregon.
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He is returning.
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Pastor Phil, we are so
glad that you are back.
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It's such a need privilege
to be here with you, Shelley.
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You are so fulfilled
with the joy of the Lord
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and something tells
me that this is the topic
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that you are--its not
just something tells me,
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I know this is a topic you
are well qualified to speak on.
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Let me ask you a
question just to kick this off.
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Do you believe
that we have to be just
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a sinless perfect
saint to make it to heaven?
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You know, there
are lot of people
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who believe that way
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and it causes such consternation
and such a heavy load.
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Now first of all you
have to define saint.
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What is a saint?
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Well, the dictionary says, a
person of exceptional holiness
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and something in
terms of being canonized
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and specifically set
apart and designated as a saint.
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But there is another
dictionary definition it says,
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a member of any of
various Christian groups.
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We know what, that's more inline
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with Paul's definition of saint.
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Because of the 61
times that the word saint
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is used in the New Testament,
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Paul uses it 39
of those 61 times.
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And he would address
people in different churches
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to the saints in emphasis
to the saints in incoherent.
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If you read the Book
of Corinthians Shelley,
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you know, that
they weren't "Saints"
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because they had so many
problems in so many divisions.
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So no where in
his usage of this term
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does he refer to a
fully perfected person.
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You know, I would-- I
have to say something.
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It occurs to me,
I'm talking about
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how well qualified you are,
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I'm so excited to
dive into the topic
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that I didn't give
you a proper introduction
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for those of you
who-- our viewers
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who may not have met you before.
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You were a pastor
for how many years?
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Well, 40 years.
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40 years you pastored in the
Seventh-day Adventist Church.
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Yes. And then you have
been retired for 18 years
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but you had 14 interim
pastors in those 18 years.
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And you written two books
one called 'Sure Salvation,'
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the other
'Blinded by the Light.'
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You have also, been speaking,
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making yourself available
to speak at camp meetings
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and seminars and you
are returning again to 3ABN
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to talk about this
very important topic.
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And do you know what
this is been, Shelley?
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Well, what's that? Holy fun.
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Oh, praise the Lord.
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Such a privilege to
be able to share. Well.
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Because when we get blessed,
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we want to pass on
the blessings. Amen.
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And we are so glad that
you are here to share with us.
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But so we defined in that Paul
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and the Bible
clearly makes it obvious
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that if you're in Christ
you are considered a saint
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as far as God is
concerned in that terminology.
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Peter said we are all members
of a royal priesthood. Yes.
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But now many
people think of saint
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in the idea of
sinlessness and perfection.
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And certainly we know
that there are scriptures
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in the Bible where God says,
"Be thou holy for I am holy."
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Oh, yes.
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But, so let's talk about
this sinlessness and perfection.
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Do we have to be
just absolutely perfect
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to make it to heaven?
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Do you know, actually
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the Book of Hebrews
says, with out holiness.
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No one will see the
Lord. No one will see the Lord.
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Yes. But let me refer
to thief on the cross.
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In a matter of
moments he found what made it
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possible for him
to be in the kingdom.
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So if you have to be
perfect, he found it.
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If you have to be
holy, he found it.
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Where did he find it?
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In the one who was hanging
on the cross next to him, Jesus.
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Yes, and, you know, we
want to be its so difficult
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and I just wanted to
ask for you to stay with us
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through this 30 minutes.
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It's a very difficult
topic to just address,
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we are gonna be kind a
skimming over the top of it
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to really do
justice in 30 minutes.
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But we always want to
remember the balance of this.
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When God says, "Be
thou holy for I am holy"
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He is serious about this.
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He is a holy God and
He wants us to be Holy.
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But we talked last time,
how it's God who works in us
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to do this
process of sanctification.
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Yet, many times in
the Bible we are told
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that we are to make
every effort of He empowers us.
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That's where we
find I think for me,
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and let me ask
you this question.
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When you really learned
the simplicity of salvation,
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you could have the
assurance of salvation.
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Did that not give you
more hope for the judgment?
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Oh, yes, I should say
because otherwise, you know,
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the judgment has some
heavy-duty connotations.
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Yes. When you think of judgment,
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court, verdict,
summons, subpoena, ticket
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that's called
negative connotation.
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And one time I was going to hold
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the week of prayer
at a Christian academy.
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And on the way I
was driving alone,
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totally harmless, undefiled
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and just doing
everything correctly
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but there were
red and blue lights
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flashing in the
rare view mirror.
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It was in the
evening, it was getting dark
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I had passed through a
little town of one store
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and I passed
somebody in an interception
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but it was just
like a country road.
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And the policeman was very nice
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and he gave me a
very nice ticket.
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And so all of that week
I had this summons ticket,
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judge hanging over me.
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And when I
returned after the week
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I had to stop in St.
Helena to see the judge.
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When I went to see him he
said, what do you do, sir?
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And I said, gope, I'm a pastor.
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And he said, for what church?
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And I said well,
Seventh-day Adventist
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and we were right close
to Pacific Union College.
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And he said do
you know so and so?
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Well, yes, I do. Well
do you know so and so?
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And I knew all of the so
and so's that he mentioned to.
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All for too it is for you?
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Yes, it was very comforting.
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And we talked and he
said you know pastor,
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I have never given
a pastor a ticket yet.
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And I'm not
going to start today.
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Oh, praise God.
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But he said, I
just have one thing
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I want to tell
you before you leave.
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Go and sin no more.
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A judge with a sense of humor.
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Yes, that was really
need and I want to tell you
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I was under grace
and I was thankful
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that this is a
picture of how God treats us.
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So in essence
what we were saying,
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when we are talking about
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assurance of
salvation there is nothing.
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We have to believe what
the Bible tells us that,
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"Salvation is by
grace through faith."
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That's Ephesians 2:8-10.
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There is nothing that we can do,
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no works that we can
boast of that are gonna save us.
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And as we read
in 1 John 5:11, 12
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that God says we can
have-- this is His testimony,
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if you have the
son you have life.
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So the hope of our
judgment is first of all knowing
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that Jesus is our
advocate, that He is the judge,
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that He is the
one who died for us,
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He is the one working in us
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to live and to act
according to His good pleasure.
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Yet, what can we do?
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We got this great
hope but at the same time
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its saying, "Without holiness
no one will see the Lord."
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Well, He is our
holiness or sanctification,
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Yes. 1 Corinthians 1:30 says.
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But still what about
living the cleansed life?
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Because that is important.
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Yes, and the Lord
wants to us to do that
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and when we accept
Him, and when He lives in us
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that's the life
that we can live.
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So, what you are saying
is that when Christ is--
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when you are abiding in Christ
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and He is so abiding in you,
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His power the
power of His spirit,
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Christ in his our hope of
glory that's what changes us.
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Amen. All right.
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Yes, it is. I loved it when
I heard somebody say one time
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there I was
going down the street,
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walking down the street
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just doing what
comes spiritually.
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And I really enjoyed
that and the person--
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Good point on words.
In whom Christ abides.
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He just goes around
doing what comes spiritually.
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That's good, that's
good. Isn't that beautiful?
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Instead of doing
what comes naturally,
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that was doing
what comes spiritually.
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How to live the
cleanse life, Shelley?
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Let me suggest something's
to our viewers today.
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Some very simple things.
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Go by yourself
ask the Holy Spirit
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to reveal every sin that
there might be in your life.
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When he reveals it
to you write it down.
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Write it down on
a piece of paper.
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When you are
through and the Holy Spirit
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isn't reviling any other point
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that might be
outside of God's will
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or outside of the
plan of the scripture.
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At that point you confess it.
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And confession means
agreeing with the Holy Spirit
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that the thing
he is pointed out,
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yes, you are right I am wrong
and purposing not do it again.
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This is a part
of the confession.
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And then the next step is
claiming 1 John 1:9. Amen.
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"If we confess our sins,
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he is faithful and just
to forgive us our sins."
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And I am so glad
that doesn't stop there,
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"And to cleanse us
from all unrighteousness."
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So if you have asked
the Holy Spirit to reveal
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plague spots in your character
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and he has pointed them out
he is the divine pointer outer.
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And then I confessed and
I have claimed 1 John 1:9
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when somebody says, yes pastor,
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but what about after that?
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What if I do something
wrong? What if I sin again?
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Well, you know what you
do, spiritual breathing.
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Well, what's that?
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Well, in breathing
you exhale and you inhale.
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Exhaling in the Christian walk
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in the cleanse
life is confession.
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Inhaling is claiming
1 John 1:9. That's good.
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So, you confess and you breathe
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in the beautiful
fragrance of 1 John 1:9.
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And you know we
always-- we normally think of--
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or at least how I
teach exhaling is prayer
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and inhaling is the spirit
of the word the spirit of God
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and that's what
you have just said.
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You know, so-- Yeah.
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Now, let me ask
you this question
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because when we are
recognizing ourselves
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that we cannot save ourself,
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that we are
totally depended upon God,
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it takes that surrender that get
to that point of surrendering.
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I have been through the process
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that you are
talking about asking God.
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Actually it came when
I went back to college
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at the age of 28 years old
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and I was praying
one night in my room,
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and I was reading
the Bible and I was--
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I read where Jesus
told the rich young ruler
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why do you call me good?
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Only God is good.
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And I thought,
well wait a minute.
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Jesus is God, why
would he say that?
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And then he began to
explain to me that He was,
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I began to understand
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that Jesus was
testing this man's motivation.
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But I said well, now Lord,
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what do you mean
that only God is good?
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Everybody has always told
me what a good girl I was.
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And I said if I've
not been good all my life
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then I need You to show me.
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Pastor Phil, that was 10 o'clock
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in the evening when I
began to pray that way.
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I got down from the
bed where I was reading,
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I got on my knees and the
Lord was revealing things to me.
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Pretty soon I was on my face
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before the Lord as He revealed
just wrong motivations not--
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I mean just
things that sometimes
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you do good
works to make yourself
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look good or something.
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Yes, and they are
tainted with self.
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Yes and so from 10
o'clock in the morning to 6--
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oh, 10 o'clock in the evening
till 6 o'clock in the morning,
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I think that was my
time of true conversion
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because the Lord
showed me so much.
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Now we don't want
people to settle in
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and just get hung up
on mortifying the flesh,
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it's you got have
that co-execution.
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Yes. Now, but once
you get to that point
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of accepting this
assurance of salvation,
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do you think that in
any way some people suggest
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that it will make you
less likely to obey the Lord?
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That less likely to
keep His commandments
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if you have that,
do you agree with that?
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There is some who feel that way
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and there are fearfully that
if you bath in the grace of God,
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that some how you become proud
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or that His word
doesn't make any difference
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or His love
doesn't make any difference
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or His will
doesn't make any difference
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because I'm saved and
praise God and hallelujah
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and I don't have to
worry about lifestyle
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or any of those things that
too is a deception because if,
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if I sin and I confess
it and I ask for forgiveness
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but I really
like what I just did.
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I really enjoy
doing what I just did.
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You enjoy this and
didn't have godly joy. Right.
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And what if,
what if really like it
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and I want to
continue committing it
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and confessing it and
practicing the aggressive.
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I don't think we
will have forgiveness
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because we can't live that way.
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When we give ourselves to Him,
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He changes our direction.
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You know, you
just said something
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that really correct with me.
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You can confess and
not receive His forgiveness
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and cleansing of
all unrighteousness
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because if you confess and
think its just cheap grace,
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I had it and it went out of me.
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It's like Acts
5:31, 32 says that,
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Jesus is the one
who is at the right hand
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at the throne of his
Father, who gives forgiveness
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and gives us repentance.
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He grants us repentance.
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When we receive His forgiveness
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and this cleansing
of unrighteousness,
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it's by His power,
He is turning us around
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not to continue to repeat that.
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Not that we will ever fall again
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or stumble in that area
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but that He takes
that desire from us.
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Would you agree?
Yes, you definitetly.
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And it would be
presumption to say
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that after I have confessed
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and after I have
asked for forgiveness
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and thank the Lord
for what He has given
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it would be presumptuous
to think that I can continue
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living in the same old way.
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Now so when someone says,
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than that if you have
assurance of salvation
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then it may be you
won't obey as well.
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Would you just agree
with the idea that Jesus said,
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"If you love me you
will obey my commandments."
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Yes. And what 1
John 2:3, 4 says that,
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anyone who says that
they are abides in Christ
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and keep not his
commandments are liars.
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Yes. So then understanding
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and having
assurance of salvation
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that makes us more prone by love
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to be motivated to do
the right thing for God.
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And you mentioned just
the motivation, its love.
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When I give myself to Him,
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when I accept His forgiveness,
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when I received His grace,
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that doesn't give
me a sinning license.
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Exactly. It makes me--
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because of my love to Him
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and my appreciation of
what He has done for me,
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it makes me want to do
His will, to be close to Him,
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to please--we want
to please those we love.
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Amen, Amen. And that's the
basis of the Christian life.
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So, when Paul told
Timothy he says that,
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if we are
faithless he is faithful
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and some people take that
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and they make
it sound like well,
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His grace is all I
need. It's cheap grace.
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It's kind of like, He
is gonna be faithful to me
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even when I'm faithless.
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But that's not
what the scripture says.
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Because he goes on and he
says, that if we deny Him,
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He will also deny us. Yes.
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And if we denying Him
in our actions, if we--
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I mean there is no such thing
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as cheap grace do you believe?
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You know, what I believe
that's a terrible misnomer. Yes.
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Because the only kind of
grace there is, is amazing
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and it's the most
expensive grace in the universe.
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So I know what people say
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when they talk
about cheap grace.
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Its saying I'm saved and
then living like the devil.
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And those two don't go together.
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Not at all because by grace
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we are given the
gift of Jesus Christ,
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the gift to the Holy Spirit,
the gift to His word. Amen.
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So there is no end and
the cost for that grace
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is blood of Jesus Christ.
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So there is
nothing cheap about grace.
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What, when we are looking
at the assurance of salvation
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we touched a little bit
about sure salvation last time.
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We are talking about
assurance of salvation. Yes.
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What are some of
your favorite scriptures?
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Do you have some scriptures
on assurance of salvation
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that you would
like to share with us?
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Because I do know
that a lot of this
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has to do with understanding
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sanctification
and justification.
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So why don't you
share some scriptures.
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Yes, yes, well let
me share few scriptures.
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"My sheep hear my
voice, and I know them,
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and they follow me and
I give them eternal life,
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and they shall never perish,
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neither shall anyone
snatch them out of my hand."
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That's so
beautiful the only time
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that we can be taken
out of the hand of Jesus
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is if we choose to leave Him.
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Exactly, no one can
take you away from Him
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but He doesn't
take your choice away.
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You could still jump out.
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But if we come
and we keep coming
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we are going to end
up in the kingdom. Amen.
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With God and Jesus forever and--
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loved ones who
have believed in Christ
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and the whole family
be saved and the angels
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if we come and we keep coming.
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Now what is the
scripture reference for someone
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who might be
wanting to write that down?
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Yes, John 10:27,
28 and John 17:3.
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"This is eternal life,
that they may know You,
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the only true
God, and Jesus Christ
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whom You have sent."
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And there are so
many I love Ephesians 1:6.
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"To the praise of
the glory of his grace,
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by which he has made us
accepted in the beloved."
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And Shelley,
this is the only way
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that any person on
this planet can be accepted.
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You get accepted in the beloved.
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You don't get accepted
because of what you are.
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You get accepted
because of what He is.
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You don't get accepted
because what you have done,
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you get accepted
because of what He has done.
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There is no way to save
ourself is what you are saying.
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Now. Right. It's just we
understand what He offers.
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Let me ask you this though,
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if we are looking at
assurance of salvation.
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We will comeback
to few more promises
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but it is important
to live that cleanse life
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because when Christ is in you,
you are going to be cleansed
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and so who does the
work of sanctification,
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lets look at
that for just a moment
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because that
cleansing part of us,
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He says, "He will cleanse
us from all unrighteousness."
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Well, that tells us right there
that God is at work, isn't He?
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Yes, He is. So talk to us
about that sanctifying work.
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Jesus said, "For their
sakes I sanctify Myself,
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that they also might be
sanctified by the truth."
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And then in 1
Thessalonians 5:23,
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there is a verse
that many believers
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that I have known quote,
00:24:23.31\00:24:25.83
and it's kind of
truthful in a way.
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And they read it,
"Now may the God of peace
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himself sanctify you completely,
may your whole spirit,
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soul and body be
preserved blameless
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at the coming of
our Lord Jesus Christ."
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And they stop there and
don't read the next scripture.
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They don't read the next
scripture, Shelley. I know.
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See we are of
one mind now you see,
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you know what the
next scripture is.
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I do. "He who
calls you is faithful,
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who also will do it."
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Yes. He is the one
who does the sanctifying.
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Amen, one of my favorite,
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that's one of my
favorite passages of scripture.
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Yes, I love it. Absolutely.
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They rejoice in it.
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And you know,
Jesus said in John 17:17
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"Sanctify them by" your
word-- you know "your truth."
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Your word is truth. Yes.
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So, He sanctifies
us through the word,
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He sanctifies us
through the Holy Sprit.
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It's His work. Absolutely.
00:25:24.99\00:25:27.67
Yeah, my cooperation, His work.
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My believing, His work.
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Pastor Phil, when
you first learned--
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how old are you
when you learned really
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and understood the
assurance of salvation?
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Oh, dear, I was
probably in my 40's early 40's.
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I think same thing for me.
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Is your
experience been my like mine
00:25:49.53\00:25:51.68
that I found that
it was easier to obey?
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I had a heart to
obey for the Lord
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when I had
assurance of salvation.
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Oh, yes, you know what it means?
00:25:59.48\00:26:02.17
Rest, relief the
burden loads off the back.
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The praise comes,
the rejoicing comes,
00:26:08.00\00:26:13.91
the peace comes, yes indeed.
00:26:13.94\00:26:18.01
So we look into this
role and see polar opposites
00:26:18.04\00:26:21.38
people who think there is
nothing that they need to do,
00:26:21.41\00:26:24.30
they don't
cooperate with the Lord,
00:26:24.33\00:26:26.11
and they just take it
thinking that grace is cheap
00:26:26.14\00:26:28.80
and they don't have to do
anything, that's not true.
00:26:28.83\00:26:31.46
Then we see people over here
00:26:31.49\00:26:33.42
who think even
though they saved,
00:26:33.45\00:26:35.81
they know they are
saved by grace through faith.
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They are still are trying
to work their way to heaven.
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That's not true, but we know
that God has given us assurance.
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You know, I can't believe
our time is all gone again.
00:26:43.53\00:26:46.81
It went by way too fast.
00:26:46.84\00:26:49.41
But I want to thank
you so much for being here
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we come back again.
00:26:52.00\00:26:53.08
You are so welcome and
it's a privilege to be here
00:26:53.11\00:26:55.23
and I will come back.
00:26:55.26\00:26:56.81
I will-- I just love you.
00:26:56.84\00:26:58.72
I hope your wife Evelyn,
00:26:58.75\00:27:00.21
if she understands this is
the sisterly love in the Lord.
00:27:00.24\00:27:03.22
Yes. You know, we began today
talking about 1 John 5:11, 12
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where the Bible says that,
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"This is the testimony,
God gave us eternal life,
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and this life is in his Son,
00:27:16.40\00:27:18.29
He who possesses
the Son has that life,
00:27:18.32\00:27:20.77
he who does not
possess the Son of God
00:27:20.80\00:27:23.26
does not have that life."
00:27:23.29\00:27:24.73
I want you to go
back and read 1 John 5:10.
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Because He is
telling us in 1 John 5:10
00:27:28.36\00:27:31.58
that if we
disregard this testimony
00:27:31.61\00:27:34.66
we are calling God a liar.
00:27:34.69\00:27:37.59
God want you to know,
00:27:37.62\00:27:39.05
you may have been in
church all of your life
00:27:39.08\00:27:41.56
and you may still not
have assurance of salvation.
00:27:41.59\00:27:45.27
God want you to know
00:27:45.30\00:27:46.42
that if you are in
Christ, you are saved.
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Thank you, so
much for joining us
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and I hope you'll be
blessed by this program.
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