Participants: Shelley Quinn (Host), Derry James
Series Code: IAA
Program Code: IAA000332
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00:30 Hello, I'm Shelley Quinn
00:31 and welcome again to "Issues and Answers." 00:33 No matter where you're tuning in from around the world, 00:36 we are so glad that you've joined us. 00:38 Today, we have I think a very important topic. 00:41 We're going to be speaking about being judgmental, 00:46 having a critical spirit. 00:48 Let's first share the words of Jesus 00:51 from Matthew 7:1, 2. 00:54 Here's what He said "Do not judge lest you be judged." 01:00 He is saying don't judge, don't criticize, 01:01 don't condemn others because you are going to be 01:06 judged criticize to condemned if you do. 01:09 Verse 2 He says "For just as you judge others 01:14 so will you be judged and in accordance 01:17 with the measure you use to deal out to others 01:21 it would dealt against you." 01:25 So can you see why it so important 01:27 to you and I don't have judgmental spirit, 01:30 critical spirit and yet sometimes 01:33 it's a very easy thing to let this come over you. 01:38 And we're gonna talk about how not to you today. 01:41 A very special guest is a good friend of mine 01:45 and she's returning to 3ABN. 01:47 Let help me welcome Derry James. 01:49 Derry, it's so good to have you back. 01:52 Oh, it's good to be here, Shelley. 01:54 I always enjoy coming back to 3ABN 01:56 and seeing my friends. 01:57 I don't realize how much I miss you 01:58 until I come back in the door again. 02:00 Well, we always missed you. 02:02 Now you are a--you have a doctor of ministry 02:06 you specialize in Christian counseling 02:08 and you are the Chaplain 02:09 for the Sierra Nevada Memorial Hospital in Grassland. 02:14 Grass Valley. Grass Valley, California. 02:17 Well, we're glad that you come back 02:18 and, you know, we've got so much to talk about today 02:21 that we're just gonna kind cut that part short 02:24 and let's get into this 'cause I know you always 02:27 share a little bit of your own testimony 02:29 when you are teaching so. 02:31 Try to do that. 02:32 Let me--Let me share a thought with you 02:34 and this is something this is gonna be 02:36 very expose myself here. 02:40 This happened a couple of months ago someone shared 02:44 with me something someone's history and past 02:48 and they were attributing to them 02:50 that same attitude in today's time. 02:54 And I found myself because this other person was judging 02:58 and being little bit critical rather then standing up for them 03:03 it was like I let that come over me 03:07 it's contiguous what I am saying. 03:09 And I walked in that for a couple of days 03:12 and then the Lord got my attention 03:14 and He showed me that I was being judgmental and critical. 03:18 Wow, Derry, what do we do? 03:22 We certainly need heart transplant, don't we? 03:24 We do, amen. 03:26 So I'd like to talk little bit about may be 03:28 some of the judgments that I made 03:30 and some misconceptions. 03:32 About people and then let's get back 03:34 to what we really can do about, okay. 03:37 I'd like to ask you a question, Shelley? 03:39 If you saw someone with a red face, 03:44 what would you, what would you assume, 03:45 what would do you think? 03:46 Oh, that may be they've got a sunburn 03:50 or that they've been crying or-- 03:54 Okay, but it might be that they have just run race. 03:59 It might be that they had a high fever. 04:01 Or they could be embarrassed. 04:03 They could be embarrassed, exactly. 04:05 You know, they are a lot of different things 04:07 that they could have red face about 04:09 but do you see how because our own insights 04:11 or experiences are our own stuff 04:14 we immediately say, they must have red face because. 04:19 And we do that over and over in lot of circumstances. 04:23 I'll share story with you. 04:25 I can remember going to women's house one day. 04:27 She was expecting me. 04:28 I knocked at the door and she said just a minute 04:32 and I heard her running around the house 04:35 and when she came to the door finally 04:37 she had unlocked three locks on the door. 04:40 Now, I immediately thought this poor women 04:45 she must be terrified. 04:47 They have three locks on her door 04:48 and to keep the house lock like this in the middle of the day 04:51 and have to run find keys unlock it from the inside like this. 04:55 So I just made that little judgment about a week later 05:00 I was ahead back to her house 05:02 and as I was going to her house again 05:04 I was reminded of all this locks that she had unlock. 05:08 And as I thought the poor lady 05:10 I really need to pray for her to overcome her fear. 05:13 And God distinctly said to me, what makes you think 05:17 she is afraid, like you think she is afraid? 05:21 And the bottom-line was she locked the doors 05:23 because she had two small children 05:25 and she lived on busy road 05:27 and she didn't want to children to get out in the traffic. 05:31 This scripture says in James 4:12 Shelley, 05:34 "There is only one lawgiver and judge, 05:36 the one who is able to save and to destroy." 05:38 But you-- 05:40 "Who are you to judge your neighbor?" 05:42 And we do it all the time. 05:44 We don't mean to but we just do it all the time, its nature. 05:48 In little things and big things. 05:49 So how do we get away from that? 05:51 We're gonna come up with that by the end. 05:53 You know, I'd like tell you another story 05:55 about criticism the way I am. 05:56 I'm gonna do a object lesson here, okay. 05:59 And I have three strips of newspaper-- 06:01 And they all the same. They all the same, yeah. 06:03 Just three strips of newspaper. 06:05 Yeah, and I am just going to scotch tape them together here. 06:08 Okay and then I am going to be cutting them. 06:12 So I want to talk about a time 06:14 because we are talking about judgments and criticisms. 06:16 And I want to talk about a time 06:18 when, when I was pretty critical. 06:21 I had a dear friend she had a child 06:25 before I had my first child. 06:27 And they came over to the house 06:29 brand new house I was so excited. 06:31 It was our first time to have any guests over it all. 06:34 And she had her little baby 06:36 and you know you get your first house 06:38 and what happens your penny poured right. 06:41 So, this little guy was eating Spaghetti 06:47 and she kind of wiped his hands. 06:50 He was also eating garlic breed 06:54 she barely wiped his hands. 06:56 Spaghetti went on my new carpet one on the floor. 06:59 And I remember looking at her and saying Merlin, my new house. 07:07 I am thinking to myself what kind of mother is she? 07:11 You know, she's doesn't even wash her kids hands off. 07:13 She letting run over my new house. 07:15 All right, what are you doing? 07:16 Okay, so now I am just, I am just cutting the circles 07:19 that I scotch tape together. 07:20 Okay. And I am just cut them-- 07:22 So you just take in three pieces strips of paper 07:28 and you've tape them together. 07:30 All right, so now your complaining to Merlin. 07:33 So what I did is I really judged what kind of parent she was. 07:38 And I kind of held that against her for a little while 07:41 I was little concerned about 07:42 the child coming over again and-- 07:47 I am laughing because we've got, 07:49 you know, we've just moved into house recently 07:52 and I've got my brother-in-law and sister-in-law coming 07:56 and my--his daughter my niece 07:59 and her little two year old Terra 08:01 that they say you got beg for your house I don't think. 08:07 Well, the bottom-line is while I am thinking 08:09 of what kind of mom she is I am thinking 08:12 what a perfect mother I am going to be of course. 08:15 I am heavy with child but I am going to be the perfect mother. 08:20 We'll guess again, we have these visions 08:23 of how we're going to do everything so right 08:26 in my own insecurities what you think I start doing. 08:28 Well, I started measuring myself against other parents 08:32 and whenever they made a blurb 08:34 I was well, I would never do that. 08:35 Of course, I would never do that, you know. 08:39 And what is your true experience, 08:41 if you look back on the history. 08:42 And the true experience is 08:43 I would hate to have you talk to my boys. 08:45 They can tell you lot of mistakes I made 08:48 and how I could I've done things so differently. 08:50 So what I am doing I am just cutting 08:52 all of these just like this 08:54 she saw me tape them and so we have-- 08:55 So you just took three strips paper together 08:58 and now you just cutting in circle 08:59 for make it two circles. 09:01 Yes, so as I cut this one I'll show you, okay. 09:04 I will just take the part and will see. 09:07 And the point this is that things are not always 09:10 how we perceive them, all right. 09:12 So here I've just cut this. Right. 09:14 You see we have two pieces here, okay. 09:16 Now you saw me cut the others 09:17 I kind of put them in my lap 09:19 but look what happen when I cut this one. 09:22 This didn't come in two pieces. 09:24 This is just one long piece 09:27 and then I cut this one and look at this. 09:32 Here's too length together. 09:34 That's great trick this is--kids would love this. 09:38 Wouldn't they, so you know what my point is 09:41 in this little visual that we look at something 09:44 it looks a particular way to us we make a--form a opinion. 09:49 We expect something, we expect an outcome. 09:51 That's right and we speculate how it's going to be. 09:55 But things are not always as they appear. 09:58 Amen. Okay. 10:00 So with your children you found 10:05 that your experience was you are not a perfect mother. 10:08 I wasn't a perfect mother. 10:09 I would like to see if there just one of you out there 10:11 if could raise your hands I was a perfect mother. 10:14 Its--you can't have an imperfect person 10:17 doing something for the first time around 10:19 or the second time you may have nine children. 10:22 But it's so easy for us, you know, 10:25 to look at someone else and think I'll never do that. 10:29 I had a friend come to me once and she said, 10:32 she was talking about someone she said, 10:33 the worse thing about her just she such gossip 10:37 and I cracked up laughing 10:39 because she sitting here gossiping 10:41 and being critical about this women 10:43 and I cracked up laughing. 10:44 And she said why you are laughing? 10:47 And I said what we're doing right now? 10:50 This isn't gossip and then we're, you know, 10:52 you criticizing her for that. 10:55 You know, our own attitudes are most judgmental 10:59 when we're forgiveness. 11:01 That's true. 11:02 And it could be unforgiveness even towards ourselves 11:07 and I--you know, I don't thing that this thing 11:10 about forgiving ourself is really biblical 11:12 because if we walk in the glory of Jesus forgiveness 11:16 that's I mean don't see anything scripture 11:18 that really says we suppose to forgive ourselves 11:19 but something we've talk about lot in the world now 11:22 you need to forgive yourself. 11:23 The real issue is we need to accept Jesus 11:25 forgiveness and cleansing. 11:26 But when we're walking in unforgiveness 11:29 we're most judgmental about other people, 11:32 we're most apt to measure ourselves 11:36 against what other people do 11:37 so that we feel better about ourselves 11:39 when we're feeling inadequate. 11:41 And as we're measuring ourselves against other people 11:43 we becoming more, more critical of others 11:45 because we thing that makes as we look better. 11:49 And I think-- 11:50 Because we can do this better so that's-- 11:52 I think that's part of it there root of insecurity 11:55 that when people I find that the people 11:57 who talk most about other people 12:00 are very insecure inside of themselves. 12:02 Because the more you feel-- the more you know 12:05 who you are in Christ the more you know 12:08 feel good about yourself and I am not talking about 12:10 going by feelings but the more you are have selfish-- 12:15 not selfish assurance, Christ assurance 12:18 then you not as critical and judgmental. 12:21 That's right, that's right. 12:23 I'd like, I'd like our viewers to look at a picture 12:25 that they are gonna put up on the screen right now 12:27 for a just minute and as the question. 12:31 Viewers what do you see there? What do you see on the screen? 12:34 A white paper with a black dot. 12:36 Okay, so probably you are going to say 12:39 generally people responses I see a black dot. 12:43 Okay, you can take the down now. 12:45 The truth is there was a huge expansive white 12:48 but what do we focus on. 12:50 Okay. We focus on the spot. 12:52 Focus on the-- You've got it and we do that-- 12:56 The old story about windshield and the bug 12:58 on the windshield, right, okay. 13:00 So we need realize that we're all 13:02 at varying degrees of life and spiritual growth 13:08 and we really need to give each other grace. 13:11 We need to give each the opportunity to make mistakes 13:15 and flub up and be there do encourage 13:19 and support one another. 13:20 And I used to be terribly judgmental and critical 13:24 and I came to God one day and said, 13:26 you know, I don't like this. 13:27 I don't like me like this. 13:29 Can you please help me? 13:31 And the Lord, you know, 13:33 the Lord likes that kind of prayer I'll tell you. 13:35 He doesn't want us to be that way with each other. 13:38 So God has given me eyes that really see the good in people 13:42 and I can look at a person even that's down and out 13:45 and God just shows me their goodness. 13:47 And I just take that as an incredible gift 13:50 from God, an incredible gift. 13:53 We don't realize how much our judgments of other people 13:58 affect their life, affect even who they are. 14:03 And we don't realize how much it affects us aside 14:05 from even what we open with Matthew Chapter 7 14:09 "That judge not should be not judge." 14:11 One time the Lord really impresses upon me 14:13 while I was praying that a judgmental spirit 14:17 is a spirit of self-exaltation 14:20 and you know who that's taking after. 14:24 We're modeling our self after Satan 14:27 who exalted himself and judgmental spirit against God. 14:30 And that's what we're doing. 14:31 We're exalting ourselves when we're judging others. 14:34 It's kind of like you were saying, 14:36 I will be better mother than that. 14:38 And when we do that we're actually condemning ourselves. 14:41 When we judge someone else in that kind of attitude 14:44 and attitude of bitterness or in attitude of-- 14:48 Self-righteousness. Yes. 14:49 Self-righteous is exactly then we have condemned ourselves 14:53 and we will reap the rewards of that 14:55 and we have to know the consequences. 14:57 And there is no inner piece for people like that. 15:00 Exactly. 15:02 So how do we get beyond this point, Derry? 15:04 If you're counseling with me and you recognize 15:07 when I lock in the door that this is person 15:11 who's miserable inside. 15:12 Just all of like there's acid that's just bumbling 15:16 over in a critical and I am judging others. 15:18 What would you say to me? 15:20 Well, the first thing I want to work on 15:22 is your forgiveness issues. 15:24 Because when we're carrying all this unforgiveness around 15:27 that's when we have all the resentment 15:28 and all the bitterness. 15:30 That really is the bottom-line. 15:32 And to remember who is the judge, 15:36 who is the judge scripture in Ecclesiastes 12:14 says 15:38 "For God will bring every deed into judgment, 15:41 including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil." 15:44 God will bring those things to lightness. 15:47 We don't need to bring them to light for each. 15:49 You know, life is tough we have a lot of challenges 15:53 into today's world 15:54 and if we would come along side each other 15:57 and encourage one another and left each other up 16:00 and pray blessings upon one another instead of pick, 16:03 pick, pick, pick, you know 16:06 which is so destructive to ourselves into each other. 16:09 I mean, how much happy would we all be really. 16:11 I'd like to read just little story here. 16:14 This is--this came from Christian journal 16:17 and was about woman that had bitterness 16:20 and she was explaining why she didn't believe in God. 16:24 And her complaint went something like this. 16:27 "Don't come talk to me of God, 16:29 come to my door with religious pamphlets, 16:32 or ask me whether I'm saved. 16:34 Hell holds no threat more agonizing 16:36 than the harsh reality of my own life. 16:39 I swear to you that the fires of hell seem 16:41 more inviting than the bone-deep cold of my own life. 16:44 And don't talk to me of church. 16:47 What does the church know of my despair-barricaded 16:50 behind its stained-glass windows against the likes of me? 16:53 I once sought repentance and community within your walls, 16:57 but I saw your God reflected in your faces 17:00 as you turned away from the likes of me. 17:03 Forgiveness was never given me. 17:05 The healing love that I sought was carefully 17:07 hoarded, reserved for your own kind. 17:10 So be gone from me and speak no more of God. 17:13 I've seen your God made manifest in you 17:15 and he is a God without compassion. 17:19 So long as your God with holds the warmth 17:21 of human touch from me, I shall remain an unbeliever." 17:25 You know that just broke my heart 17:28 the first time I read that I was truly interiors 17:32 and I though we have no idea what affect we have on people 17:38 even, even with the person for example 17:41 that is in our presence that we are so busy, 17:45 so distracted that we don't even acknowledge 17:48 their very being, their presence 17:50 and the statement of that says to them 17:53 that you are not there you aren't here. 17:58 And one of the nicest things we can do is validate 18:00 each other in a positive way. 18:02 I once heard someone I was actually 18:06 at kind of train the trainer's type camp. 18:08 And my mother was in intensive care 18:13 and I had been with her for two weeks 18:16 and they brought her at on the medical floor 18:18 and I have been chosen from a number of people around 18:22 the United States to go this camp 18:23 and I went and I am just an agony 18:27 but I'm having to put forward this wonderful face. 18:31 In at one point they were having us all just give 18:34 little sound bits, little message of encouragement, 18:38 motivational something and parading us across the stage. 18:42 And the man right in front of me 18:45 was repeating a line I believe that Dale Carnegie coined. 18:49 And he said "Treat everyone as if their heart 18:52 is breaking because it probably is." 18:55 Where here I've been trying to hold all 18:57 this heartbreak back and he says this 18:59 I mean, the tears you know I am try to like keep it all together 19:03 so I can go right next and say my little motivational tidbit. 19:07 But I never forgotten that at moment 19:09 and there's time that you may walk into 19:14 that you are at service station 19:15 and you go into the shop there to get something 19:18 and someone may be so rude to you 19:21 and you can take fits or you know, 19:24 if or not easy we could or we can judge that person 19:27 and think oh, boy, that would just, you know, 19:29 its obvious there are just here for a paycheck. 19:31 They need better people skills. 19:33 But we don't know is that they may have had a horrible 19:37 argument with their spouse that day, 19:39 they may be a facing eviction from their home. 19:43 We don't know their heartaches. 19:45 They could have just gotten a life-threatening disease, 19:48 diagnoses, someone they love 19:50 may be in the hospital facing death. 19:52 I mean, we don't know what the other person is going through. 19:55 You know, when you talking about this article how sad this is. 19:57 There is a cycle here too because here this women 20:02 did not receive, they were judging her, 20:04 so she not only judge then may be rightfully 20:08 so they have how they were acting 20:09 but she judged God by how they were acting. 20:15 That reminds me in the scripture of 2 Corinthians 3:3 20:17 that we are a letter written on the heart by God, 20:22 by the Holy Spirit and sometimes 20:24 we're the only letter from God that people get to read. 20:29 So sad story though. 20:31 You've asked me what can we do about this. 20:34 And I think one of things that probably was most effective 20:38 from me in dealing with is my own life 20:41 was to come before God and ask God 20:44 the prayer of David actually in Psalms 20:46 "Search me, O God, and know my heart, 20:49 know my thoughts and see if there be any wicked way in me, 20:52 and lead me in the way everlasting." 20:55 You know, who of us really can understand our errors. 20:59 I think it's really important to have 21:01 accountability friends, in your life 21:03 people that know your heart, 21:05 people that know how you want to be for Jesus, 21:08 people that are willing to call you on those things 21:12 that we do that would not properly reflect 21:14 the character of God, that would lovingly 21:17 just take you and say, you know, 21:19 I know that this is gonna be hard for me to say to you 21:23 but I know you would want to know 21:25 because I know how much you love Jesus and want to be like Him. 21:28 That this is how you coming across when you do this. 21:31 That's good. So-- 21:33 We all could you accountability-- 21:34 And do you know it's hard it's hard 21:37 to be an accountability partner that is willing 21:39 to risk relationship to talk hard truth like that. 21:44 But to me that is the deepest love 21:47 we can give to each others that kind of honesty. 21:50 The wounds of friend or better than the kiss of the enemy. 21:52 That's right. That' right. 21:56 We need to come before Jesus and we need to confess 21:59 that this is an issue with us. 22:01 And we may need to make right some wrongs 22:05 of some judgments we've made that really affected people. 22:07 Maybe not those things we said in our own heart 22:10 that people don't know of. 22:11 We don't want hurt others. 22:13 But the may be times we need to make these kind of confessions 22:15 and to make right and start life over again with the clean slate. 22:22 Symptoms for inner peace would include 22:24 a loss of interest in judging self. 22:26 So, before we jump to that what you are saying 22:29 is that when we give up this judgmental spirit, 22:34 when we give up the critical spirit 22:36 we're going to find this inner peace. 22:40 Exactly, thank you for bring me back. 22:42 So--so I just want to make sure that 22:43 because when you say sessions 22:45 I was expecting you to say something bad 22:48 like it was a sickness this inner peace 22:50 but you are saying when we finally get to that point 22:53 here's how we recognize. 22:54 And we will know that this is happened with in us 22:57 when we get to the point where we have surrender 22:59 this judgmental or critical attitude 23:03 and that would be lots of interest in judging ourselves. 23:07 Ouch. See I'm still very judgmental of myself. 23:11 That's I've try not to be others 23:13 who have I can be pretty harsh of myself sometimes. 23:18 God wants us to be women of excellence. 23:21 But it's not for us to try to be perfect 23:24 God we work that out in our life 23:26 and help us to grow if we're trying so hard to be perfect 23:32 then where people that are trying hard to be in control 23:34 with people full of fear where people full of all 23:36 of these criticism and judgment. 23:39 But if you take the breath and just say Jesus I love you. 23:43 Here I am do whatever you need to with me today. 23:46 Show me what You need to show me, 23:47 grow me where You need to grow me 23:49 and let the Lord be about the work. 23:51 We can move forward in peace and absolute contempt 23:54 that knowing that we surrender to God 23:56 and today we'll just do the best we can. 23:59 We will be a woman of excellence 24:01 with all the gifts that God has given. 24:03 And, you know, my excellence may be down here 24:06 yours may be up here but we'll give it all to got 24:10 because we want to be excellent woman for Jesus. 24:13 I think the only time I'm really harsh on myself 24:15 and I think thank you about this. 24:16 I've come a long way but boy, if I know 24:20 that I've really disappointed someone 24:21 or I've done something that is 24:23 and may be that's not being harsh on myself. 24:25 May be that's just godly so coming on me 24:27 if I feel like I've done something 24:29 that doesn't reflect the Lord. 24:31 That it's so disappointing to me 24:33 because I know how much I've disappointed Him. 24:35 Oh, well, I think that's different. 24:36 I think that's a true sorrow and a true remorse, you know, 24:39 for just like you said. 24:43 Not reflecting Christ in the way that we would want to. 24:45 Hey, we have just a couple of minutes left 24:48 tell us some more inner peace symptoms. 24:50 Okay, other symptoms of inner peace 24:52 would be also losing an interest in judging others. 24:55 A loss of interest in conflict 24:57 and loss of interest in interpreting actions of others. 25:04 So those would be like the four mainland's 25:07 and you know, I would like to tell a story here. 25:11 To kind of close our time together. 25:14 Several years ago, many years ago actually 25:17 when I was doing homeschooling and had my house four children. 25:22 There was a knock at the door around 11:30 at night 25:25 and this little grandma pushed her granddaughter in. 25:28 She was raising her granddaughter 25:30 and she pushed her little granddaughter in the door 25:32 and said you can have her, I cannot deal with her anymore, 25:37 and she slid her suitcase across the entry. 25:39 This is at 11:30 at night. 25:41 Little girl is there with her arms just, you know, 25:43 and she's just trampling and she is crying and-- 25:46 How old was she? She was about 13-14. 25:51 And grandma shut the door and walked away 25:54 and I stood there looking at this little girl 25:55 thinking oh, my Lord. 25:58 What am I going to do with you? 26:01 So I just said, honey, why don't you upstairs 26:03 and take the first room on the left 26:05 and I'll be up in just a moment. 26:07 And I stood in my entry saying 26:09 Lord, give me words to say to this child. 26:13 I don't know what I'm going to do with her either. 26:17 And I went upstairs and I walked into here room 26:21 and I said, sweetheart you and I 26:23 don't have much history together. 26:27 And you have come into my home now 26:29 to live for we don't know how long 26:32 and I just want you to know that 26:33 tomorrow morning when you get up 26:36 you can be anyone you ever wanted to be. 26:39 Amen. 26:41 And Shelley, we forget I think, 26:44 that that's how does with Jesus 26:46 that everyday, every moment for that matter 26:49 can be a time of new beginnings 26:52 and that we can be whatever it is for her Lord. 26:55 So whether its having to overcome a judgmental 27:00 or critical attitude-- actually no matter what 27:03 our weakness or what it is in our lives 27:05 that we would like not to be like. 27:09 We can start our way to Jesus. Amen. 27:11 Derry, thank you so much for being here today. 27:14 The time has run by very rapidly 27:16 but I believe we really learned something. 27:18 Thank you for sharing. 27:19 It was lovely to be here. It was. 27:21 Now for those of you at home please 27:24 let this be your take home point is that with God, 27:28 Lamentations 3:22, 23 says, 27:30 His mercies are new every morning 27:33 for his compassions fail not. 27:35 He is the God of new beginnings 27:38 and if you got a judgmental spirit or critical spirit 27:42 the practically one in the same all you have to do is 27:45 go to God and say remove this from me. 27:47 I want the inner peace that she has been talking about. 27:50 Thank you, so much for joining us 27:52 and may God bless you richly. 27:54 Bye-bye for now. |
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