Hello, I'm Shelly Quinn
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and welcome again to
"Issues and Answers."
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Today we have something
that you won't want to miss.
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We're going to be
talking about internet safety
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and we'll specifically be
talking about the spiritual
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impact of the internet
and media on our families.
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You know, there's really I look
at media as a great blessing
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because
obviously this is the tool
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through which God is using 3ABN
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as a tool of
evangelism in His hands.
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And because we're
media, we're broadcasting
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to every inhabited
continent around the world.
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What an incredible opportunity.
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And I think of the
internet and all the good
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that's on the internet
and it's a wonderful tool.
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But at the same time
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if we don't keep
our lives in balance
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and if we aren't
aware of the dangers
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and the evils that are
lurking out of there, out there.
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Then what can
happen is the internet
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and media can become our enemy.
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And Peter, wrote something
interesting in 1 Peter 5:8,
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he says, "Be well
balanced, be vigilant
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and cautious at all
times; for that enemy of yours,
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the devil is roaming
around like a roaring lion,
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seeking whom he may devour."
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So we got to be
cautious and be vigilant.
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And here to do some
instruction for us today
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and share some of
the wonderful knowledge
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that he's
gained is Ernest Staats
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and he is the IT
or in--What is IT?
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My mind went blank,
is something technology.
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It's the computer
information technology.
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And you are the
information technology director
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at the
Georgia-Cumberland Academy
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in the great town
of Calhoun, Georgia.
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That is correct.
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Well, we are so glad
that you've come here
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and that you've come safely
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and so is this
how you got interested
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obviously in what the internet
and media is what kind of impact
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its having on our spirituality.
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Part of it was from academy,
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I started getting
into network security
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when I worked for
the State of Georgia.
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And then-- when I
came on fulltime staff
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on to the academy staff,
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I started
seeing some real issues
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and then I went on to get a
masters in network security.
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And while I was doing that I
was challenged by Nancy Limbro
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who is the division
IT director to not look,
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just look at it as technology.
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See I always thought of
myself as a technologist.
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I am into data
bits, bytes, zeros, ones.
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She was more saying
look at it as a ministry.
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I always just thought
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I was a technologist
helping a ministry. Right.
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And she challenged me to
look at more as a ministry
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and I said okay, if
I'm gonna have a ministry,
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where would this fit in.
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And since I kind of got a--
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I really got
involved with security.
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I said, well, how
would that fit into
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and I saw there was a
huge gap in our church
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with the lack of understanding.
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And not just inside our church,
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I've spoke to
other congregations too,
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non-Adventist congregations.
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And there is just a huge lack
just across the Christian world
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of understanding the
security implications
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of what's online,
what they're doing,
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what to do with their cell
phones, all of that involved.
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Oh, I'm really, I know that I'm
going to be educated as well.
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But let me ask you this because
when I think about it, Ernest,
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here we're talking
about the spiritual impact
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of media and
television and the internet,
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how that's impacting us.
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But first we have to establish
is it really becoming a problem.
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I mean, are we-how much
time are people spending
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in watching the media and being
bombarded by these influences.
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Well, for example my
watch here also plays mp3's
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so I can have music on it.
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This is Dick Tracy, aha.
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And I have another watch that
I can actually watch movies on,
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that I can sit here
and I've got my head phones
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and I can sit
here and watch movies.
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You really are a
techie, aren't you?
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So, yes, but I mean
its just everywhere,
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there are more
then 56 unique devices
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that are being tracked
by the consumer reports
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right now that are
electronic media devices.
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So and that means
totally different, I mean,
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an mp3 is and mp3 player
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but there's an mp3
player then there is this,
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then there is this, I
mean there is all these.
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There's iPod's and
the Blackberry's and that.
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There is everything, exactly.
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So most people are consuming
between 8.5 hours a day of media
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and this is children
from the ages of 8 to 18.
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8.5? 8.5 hours of media a day.
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Where do people
have time to do that?
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Yeah. That's amazing.
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Well, and kids
complain about homework
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but they don't spend
8.5 hours on the whole
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but when they are doing homework
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they are listening, they
are watching stuff on TV.
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There's most--lot of
times people are--right now
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60% of young
people that were pulled
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when they rather eating their
meals, they are watching TV.
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That's unbelievable.
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So that means the communication
that used to happen, you know,
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when people sit
down at the table
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and talk as a
family, that's not there.
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You know I say that's
unbelievable but I'm thinking,
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my husband and I really
don't eat a large supper,
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we just have a little
snack and often that's the time
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that we turn on only bit of news
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that we'll get to see
for the day or something.
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So it's really
become-in the family
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though you kind of think
that a family is gonna sit down
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and take that time but
it's just not happening.
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It's not happening, no.
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And actually my wife
and I were quite surprised
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couple of years
back when we invited
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several students
over for more of a formal,
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just sit down,
just nice dinner supper,
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and the kids weren't,
it was a foreign concept
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to the few of the
kids that were there
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to actually sit down as a family
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and talk without anything
else on, no radio, no TV.
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And they expressed that this was
a real culture shock for them.
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And it was real, I didn't
think much about at the time,
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I was like, okay.
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You know it seems like
there's different personalities
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and I'm not sure but
like I'm the type of person
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when I get up in the morning,
I appreciate some quiet time,
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so I even get up an
hour earlier than my husband,
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at least 45 minutes
early to have that quiet time.
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He on the other hand is the
type that he wants to get up,
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he's got the TV on
and the radio going on
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another room and that constant,
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he doesn't like to
driving the car without it.
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Now there is--has
something to do with personality
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but I've also
noticed that this generation
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of youngsters
that are coming up,
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they feel like they have
fallen off the face of the earth
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that they're in a vacuum
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if they don't have some
kind of media input. Right.
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If they're
unplugged, they're almost like
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they're having a culture shock
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and a environmental shock. Yeah.
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'Cause it is, it's
on your cell phones,
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you know, cell phones,
you can surf the internet.
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You know, so even like
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a Georgia Cumberland Academy,
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we tried real hard to keep
good filters on the system.
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But if the kids come with
internet on their cell phones,
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they've
unfiltered internet. Yes.
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You know, so there's a
lots of different aspects
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where they can reach
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and where
they're just constantly
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being bombarded by images,
by different media and music.
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We're also using
it as an education,
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we've got-- our chaplain does,
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you know, a podcast
and the kids listen to it
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and they really enjoy it.
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You know, we do a
virtual newscast on our website,
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you know, the kids
tune into and they enjoy it.
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So, you know, we tap into that
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because we see that
this is where the kids are at
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but we also
realize that there is also
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some issues along with this.
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So internet use is
just continually growing,
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isn't it? It is.
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And there's something I think
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you had a statistic
about 150,000 new users a day.
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Right, they were
coming on to MySpace.
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On to MySpace.
Just under MySpace.
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And MySpace itself
has over 13 million people
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viewing it a day which is twice
the number of use of Google,
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if you can imagine that.
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And that's so amazing to me
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'cause I guess I'm
gonna sound like an old folk,
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yeah, I use the
internet all the time
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but I've not been on MySpace
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or any chat room
or anything like that
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because I just don't have time,
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so that's interesting. Go ahead.
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I was gonna say that well,
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I have multiple
MySpace accounts.
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It amazes me.
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I use it for
different things at the school
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'cause we go and check
MySpace profiles of young people
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who are interested
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because we find some
pretty alarming things
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when we're there sometimes
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and sometimes
students are told that
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no, thank you, we don't think
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you'll fit into
the program of GCA.
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But what happens is
they don't realize that,
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that's also all the
companies now are searching that
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when you go look
for your next job,
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most of the time
they'll check on MySpace profile
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and see what you put out there.
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Oh, you know, and
here's something that I think
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that most young
people don't recognize
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and many don't is that
once it's on the internet,
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it's pretty hard to
get it off the record,
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I mean, it's going
to be cashed somewhere.
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Well, I've gone
around the country
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and I've spoken to
different young people
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and they say, we
know all about internet,
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we know about
security and stuff like that.
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I said how many of you know
about worldwide web archive.
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And I get completely dumb looks.
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You know, like I don't
know what you're talking about
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and I said, everything
you put on the internet,
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even once it's taken off,
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it's still on the
worldwide web archive,
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so I can go
back and search that.
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Isn't that interesting.
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And the kids are like
oh, you mean that picture.
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I said, yeah, that picture.
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And we've don't it
before where I asked one girl,
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we came across
media cart from the camp
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where they had a bunch of
inappropriate contact ones
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and inside that media cart
was one of our female students,
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a picture of her
in a bathing suit.
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And I said, did you realize this
is being passed around the dorm?
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And she's like no.
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And I said, she's like I
never gave that picture out.
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And I said, you
didn't post it anywhere.
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Oh, was on
MySpace. Oh, merciful.
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So she was put in there
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with a bunch of
really horrible stuff
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and she didn't realize it.
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You know, and she
didn't think about the fact
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just 'cause she put on MySpace,
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she's like I
need to get that off
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and I said, oh, okay, good.
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And once it's up
there, you can't erase. Right.
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There's no retrieval
process that you can reduce it.
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And you know,
there's things that are going
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on in high school,
you hear about this, that,
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where kids are
taking in their cell phones
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and they go into the locker
rooms after gym or something
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and they're taking
compromising pictures
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and then they put these up on
something like MySpace account.
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And they're
doing so much damage,
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so there's all of these issues
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that schools
have to think about,
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but it's not
just schools nowadays,
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I mean, we really--our privacy
is really being interrupted here
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and intruded upon.
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Now what kind-because
of this large percentage
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of families and
teens who are spending time
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in front of the
television and on the internet,
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what kind of trends do
we see coming out of this?
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Some pre-alarming trends
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as I've taught
with different colleges,
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Adventist and non Adventist
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and there's been
studies done around the world
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looking at young people
and what's happening to them.
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They're finding that
they're having high anxiety,
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high depression
rates, eating disorders.
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They're also finding
that self abuse is going up
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in several
different form factors.
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And self abuse can be anything
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from the cutting
to they're choking,
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there's all different
kinds of things they are doing.
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There are
several different forms
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and just and
putting themselves down
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and beside what's
one of the big issues
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it's kind of spun out of this,
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was something we didn't expect,
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it's called cyber bullying. Yes.
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And that's where they're
text messaging each other
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or they get on to MySpace,
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they say horrible
things about each other.
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And, you know,
people are getting hurt,
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that's happening,
that's very common.
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Kids are committing suicide
because of cyber bullying.
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We heard of that famous
case of a young 13-year-old girl
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who thought that she was
interacting with a young boy
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and he was kind of--that
language was luring her in
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and it turned out
then that the person
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that she was
communicating with on MySpace
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turned on her viciously
and she committed suicide
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because of this
and unfortunately,
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I mean either way it's horrible.
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But it turned out that
this was not a young boy
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but a mother of young boy
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who was upset
with this little girl
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and so she done
this vicious things
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and you know,
it's so hard to police.
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Right. So it's very
difficult situation.
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And, well, and the
FBI are short in staff.
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They have a directive to hire
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literally thousands
of people to help them
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but there's not the
people out there to do it.
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You know, so the
security is the hot topic,
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it's a good job,
you know, interest,
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if someone's
interested in it but right now,
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there's just a huge demand
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because it's
growing exponentially.
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So what are the kind
of trends are we seeing?
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Some of the other trends
we're seeing is the young people
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are becoming--really specially
towards the young people
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that's more of my
passion would lie honestly
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working on in academy. Yes.
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We're noticing
that the young people
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are getting really disconnected
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from church and from God.
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They're not,
they're spiritual seekers
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that we thought they were.
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We're actually
finding they would rather
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go to car sales
than go to church.
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Well, you know, you're
finding when you said that they,
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you know, I was thinking
this is a plugged in generation.
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But they're plugging
into the wrong power source.
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They're not
plugging into God. Right.
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And so it's just another
one of these distractions,
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you know, Ernest, I
have a saying that sin--
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what the devil does with sin
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is he puts this beautiful shiny
foil wrapping paper around it
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and big old bow and
then he serves it up to us
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and it looks so attractive
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and it's nothing more
than gift wrapped garbage
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but we don't recognize it.
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And so these kids,
they seems innocent
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and they get
involved in all of these
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various electronic activities
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and it just is changing
their priorities taking,
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robbing them of the time
that they could spend with God.
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And not only the
time but one of the things
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that's also
we've seen a big change
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and I've seen it
even through teaching.
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The author Leonard Sweet
talked about this generation,
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generation wise being
epic, they're experiential,
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if they don't
experience it, it's not true.
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They don't have
ultimate right and wrong.
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It's what they experience,
it's what they participate in.
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yeah, they've
been involved in it.
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They're very image driven
and that's where the online,
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the text messaging with
pictures and videos even.
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You know, all that's part of
it and they want to communicate.
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They want to talk
about their experiences
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and that's one of the areas
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where I feel like a
lot of times as a church,
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we need to look at how
we're treating our young people
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because if we don't tap into
realizing that they're epic,
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that they want to have images,
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that their communication
that they want to participate,
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they want to experience
it but there's a problem here
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because that's where they
go to places what they do,
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what they do
experience, they say,
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oh, that's my
reality, that's my truth.
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So they're looking at
it differently than we do.
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You know, and how interesting
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because what you just said
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is really what's
created this mindset,
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this trend within
this younger generation
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is all of these
things that we're discussing
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has created this attitude.
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But now, instead of
us trying to combat it
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because how do you
combat it once it becomes,
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so what you're saying is that
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we actually have to
feed into the technique
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if you will, if
you're going to reach them.
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I think so, yes. Okay.
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Ellen White in Evangelism
talked about in her day
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the big thing was the press.
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There's people who really said
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maybe we
shouldn't get into the press
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'cause there was bad
books being printed and stuff.
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And she said, no we
need to reach the people
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where they were or
where they are excuse me
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and that's exactly right.
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Our young people are online.
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At GCA we have over 150
rules just blocking MySpace.
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But I also encourage all of
our staff to go out to MySpace.
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Because that's
where our kids are.
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While we block it on campus
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to keep them safe
and stuff like that.
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We realize when they go home
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when they are on
their cell phone,
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they are on MySpace.
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So we try to make a
positive outreach there.
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So you're telling me
that somebody like myself
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even should learn
the use of MySpace
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and to learn how to know
what kids are doing online.
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Political
candidates are doing it.
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You know, if they
are trying to reach
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and they are trying to
reach the younger generations,
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I think if you want to
reach the younger generations,
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I think we should,
yes. That is amazing.
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So what are some of the specific
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implications of on
our spiritual life.
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You said that children are
tuning out from God somewhat,
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what about these online lives,
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what are the kind of spiritual
implications does this bring?
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A lot of people are
getting a lot more disconnected.
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Substituting real
life relationships,
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that's happening
sometimes between spouses,
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that sometime happen
between kids and parents,
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that's happening
between us and the Lord. Yeah.
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Because even if I'm
looking up at spiritual stuff,
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I'm always doing
spiritual stuff online,
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that's a
different type of medium.
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If there's not some quite time
to hear the voice of the Lord.
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Then there's a problem
and people are not realizing
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and I call the big
G's and little G's.
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I say we need to
go back to the big G
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which is the Word of God. Okay.
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And we need to
unplug from the little G's,
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the Google's, the MySpace,
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all these other G's
that are part of our life.
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So I think there's a
certain amount of time
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that we need to
detoxify basically.
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When I was in Union College,
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one of our professors there
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always told us
in literature class
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that while she read a lot
of literature for every hour
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she spent in secular literature,
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she would spent two
hours in the Bible. Amen.
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If I did that
with my media life,
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that would be an amazing
amount of time in the Bible.
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And, you know, the one
thing about the Word of God is,
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it is inexhaustible but it
takes--it's interesting that,
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you know, the Psalmist said,
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taste and see
how good the Lord is.
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But it takes
more than just dipping
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your toe in
occasionally to really enjoy.
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You've got to
learn how to jump into it
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and really to swim
but I will say one thing,
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I love Bible software.
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I mean, to me Bible software
has changed the way I study,
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it's made my study
experience so much richer,
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so there's some really
good things about this as well.
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Some excellent things,
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I use these sort a
lot, I really like it.
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I have it on my laptop,
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you know, it's
got different maps,
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I can pull up the Greek,
I can still say, you know,
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what was the real
meaning behind this.
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And try and dig a
little bit deeper into that.
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And there's so
many resources out there
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and the nice thing I
like seeing in our church now,
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as I'm starting to see
more resources for young people.
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You know, Review and
Herald, several other sites,
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these children sites
up that are fantastic.
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And I think we need to
have more and more of that
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not less that are plugging
and pulling young people
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'cause they're already
gonna be out there online.
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My 3 year old
girl Nariah, you know,
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she's four now but when
she was three years old,
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she called me said, daddy,
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I was at strawberryshortcake.com
today with mommy.
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And I was like,
oh, my...you know,
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she's already getting used to it
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and she can drive a mouse
very well as a four year old.
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And they do it-- And they do it.
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She knows her way around.
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So of course besides
having some educational stuff,
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I want to make
sure she's getting
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some spiritual
content also in there too.
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Amen, amen.
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So what are some of
the--with the teens,
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other than the fact
that they're just unplugging,
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what are some of the
implications for youth
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when it comes to
the media online lives
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that they're living?
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As I mentioned before
we're seeing higher anxiety,
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higher depression rates
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but lot of them are now
on medication, for things,
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you see a lot more
of that what used to.
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We have small numbers of
hyperactive children before.
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Now we're seeing a
lot more or higher numbers
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and they're more medicated.
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And, you know, I
rarely watch television
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but as I sometimes
I'll flip the channels
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to be looking for
a specific program
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and I saw a
commercial the other night
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and noticed this increasingly
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so lately is that commercials
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within that 30 to
60 second timeslot,
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you're bombarded with a
couple of hundred images,
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they just bam, bam, bam, bam.
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Now this is what's
happening to little kids
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who are watching
television all the time,
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they're having
all of these images
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and I'm wondering if
that's not what's giving
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them the ADD and ADHD,
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it's just their
brains don't learn to go
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from step A to step Z,
it's kind of like A G B F
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and it's just back and forth
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and it's shooting
that at all the time.
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Yeah, and that's
what we're finding
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a lot of them are pulling
their spirituality from to,
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as far as who
they are with the Lord,
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what they do is they
pull little from here,
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a little from there,
they pull little from this
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and I'm talking not
even just from one religion.
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Because they're seeing all this
stuff is out on the internet.
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There's a little bit
of Hindu mixed in here,
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a little bit of
Buddhism mixed in here,
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it's on the TV shows,
it's on their favorite movies.
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So they pull all these
little trends in and out
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and that makes who they are.
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So they're now being
coming very pluralistic
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in their
philosophies and their religion.
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Oh, mercy, that's dangerous.
That is very dangerous.
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And I saw when we go
on, go on for four years,
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lot of the kids
there, they were Adventists
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because it was
such a catholic society,
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call themselves
Catholic Adventist,
00:21:01.63\00:21:03.90
which at first I said,
this is a contradiction.
00:21:03.93\00:21:06.35
It was really hard for
me to wrap my head around
00:21:06.38\00:21:07.88
but because their
families were so catholic,
00:21:07.91\00:21:09.99
they would go to rosaries,
they would do all this.
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They would sit here and
then they would come back
00:21:12.36\00:21:14.10
and it would go back
around, so I would see how,
00:21:14.13\00:21:16.27
they would see
even opposing views
00:21:16.30\00:21:18.58
on the State of
the Dead for example.
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They will say,
they were Adventists
00:21:20.66\00:21:21.69
but they talk about so and so
00:21:21.72\00:21:22.84
being in heaven
right now with Jesus.
00:21:22.87\00:21:24.86
So the kids are
pulling these little pieces
00:21:24.89\00:21:27.08
from here and
there. That's so dangerous.
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And so what can we
do if there's parents
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out here
watching or even teenagers
00:21:32.13\00:21:35.55
who might be watching.
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What can we do to make
sure that we're not squandering
00:21:36.76\00:21:41.44
our spiritual
health if you will online?
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First, I would
recommend unplug and detoxify,
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for a while, I mean, I work,
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you know, I've
all the great geeks
00:21:51.87\00:21:53.99
at the school work for me
00:21:54.02\00:21:55.64
and they're
great group of people.
00:21:55.67\00:21:56.97
I've got one girl
and a bunch of guys
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and they do fantastic work.
00:21:58.37\00:22:00.70
But even there, people
think of them as the nerds.
00:22:00.73\00:22:03.00
They enjoy going out
and going rock climbing.
00:22:03.03\00:22:04.93
I got a climbing
wall behind my house,
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they enjoy doing that.
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You know, they
enjoy doing some stuff
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that's totally non
technological at all.
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And we need to find avenues,
so we can plug in there.
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We need to spend time with them.
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The biggest thing
that I tell parents,
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it's not rocket science,
you don't have to understand
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all the super
intricacies of technology
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that maybe someone like me
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or other people may
know but you need to know is,
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its good
parenting is good parenting.
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You spend time with your kids.
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Even online that's
what you're saying, okay.
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Right, you spend
cyber time. Okay.
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And just like my
little girl Nariah,
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she's 4 years old I
know who all her friends are,
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I know their parents.
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I need to know
when she gets older,
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who her friends are online.
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I want to know who they are.
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I want to be
involved with her life.
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Now how does a parent, I just
know there's someone out there
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saying, you got
to be kidding me,
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my teenage daughter
and how does she see it,
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if I sat down and try
to be her online partner
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and see what she's doing.
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How does a parent go
about doing something like this?
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And I'm not going to tell you
that its that's the easy walk,
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it's a challenge, there
are several different ways,
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one of the thing is to open the
two way, two line communication,
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you can't just pull the plug
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and rip the
computer out tomorrow.
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If you do what will happen
is the kids will go underground
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with it and you
have just lost the battle
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'cause now you have no
idea what they are doing.
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So my suggestion is
you start talking say
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hey, if you are not involved
with their daily life friends,
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you need to start there.
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get involved with their friends
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that they have that
are coming around the house
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and then it will just
be a natural transition
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into what are your
friends like online.
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I want to be a part
of your online life too.
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Because I love
you, you're my child,
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I want to be
involved in your life.
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So that's where you kind of
have to make the transition.
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And that is a lot of
prayer to go into that--
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And a lot of
prayer, a lot of prayer.
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Okay, what are some specific
steps that parents can use
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to learn to help their children
balance their online time.
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You know, 'cause
as you were talking,
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I was thinking one thing I
would do maybe as a parent,
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if I knew my child is spending
too much time plugged in.
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Is that I would entice
him to do exciting things,
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have some
exciting adventures to go
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through that something
we'll have to use both hands
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and feet and can
may be plugged in.
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I worked in summer
camp for Nariah's summer,
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so my first answer
is gonna be summer camp.
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Because and then make
sure that the summer camp
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has a policy were
they are unplugged.
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And I found several Christian
Adventist and non Adventist
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camps where they say,
no headphones allowed.
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You know and that's part
of the importance to make sure
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the kids are out
doing stuff in nature
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being involved in the real world
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giving them
opportunities to lead.
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That's one of the
things we strive very hard
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for at the
church that I attended,
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we make sure that the kids,
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they are not junior elder,
they are elders. Wonderful.
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They are part
of the church board
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so they see everything
they become a part of it.
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They are just you
know board associates
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they actually sit
on there full votes,
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they are full board members.
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But you give them leadership,
you let them experience it,
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you let them
participate, you have some image
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and you know, you
let them communicate
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that's how you pull them in.
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You know, it's so amazing,
00:25:09.18\00:25:10.59
my husband and I
were in the Cayman Islands
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just recently and I want to say
00:25:13.53\00:25:16.00
hello to all of our
brothers and sisters down there.
00:25:16.03\00:25:18.97
And we had such a wonderful
time and wonderful people
00:25:19.00\00:25:22.02
and wonderful hospitality.
00:25:22.05\00:25:23.83
But coming back in the airport,
I believe we were in Miami
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and there was a soccer team,
00:25:27.89\00:25:30.89
young men they
were sitting all around
00:25:30.92\00:25:33.00
and I punched JB on his
shoulder and I said, honey,
00:25:33.03\00:25:36.29
look out of about 18 boys
that were sitting around us,
00:25:36.32\00:25:40.26
only one of them was not
plugged in doing something
00:25:40.29\00:25:43.75
as we were sitting there.
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And the thought comes to me
there's some parent out there
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who's saying, you
know, there's so many dangers
00:25:49.28\00:25:52.24
on the internet and if this is,
00:25:52.27\00:25:53.57
if my child is going to
maybe be introduced to pluralism
00:25:53.60\00:25:57.52
as far as worshipping
many different forms of a god
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or different gods,
would it be best just to say
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okay, unplug, none other stuff.
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And I would say no
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because you're gonna
get have straight rebellion.
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At least I'll be really
surprised if few wouldn't.
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And that's were I
think that's the easy road
00:26:17.27\00:26:20.07
is to say we're just
unplugging we're done.
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The better road which
often times the harder road
00:26:22.79\00:26:26.09
is to get involved
with there online life
00:26:26.12\00:26:28.47
and to sit there and say,
how can I help you lead you.
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Ask them about
their philosophies,
00:26:31.86\00:26:34.00
you might be surprised. Amen.
00:26:34.03\00:26:35.96
And so it mean, we start
talking to them just communicate
00:26:35.99\00:26:38.61
and say what do you
believe about when you die
00:26:38.64\00:26:41.77
and listen,
don't try to correct.
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You know when you said
that might be the easier way,
00:26:44.68\00:26:48.16
it's just kind of
like when you want to teach
00:26:48.19\00:26:50.18
your child how to cook.
00:26:50.21\00:26:51.37
I mean, it's actually
easier to get into the kitchen
00:26:51.40\00:26:53.73
and do the cooking yourself
than to teach them to cook
00:26:53.76\00:26:55.82
but that's where we have to
model various skills to then,
00:26:55.85\00:26:59.46
so I agree with you.
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Ernest, I can't believe
this has gone by so rapidly
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but we really do
want you to come back
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because we want to
talk some more about
00:27:06.09\00:27:08.89
what's going on in the internet.
00:27:08.92\00:27:10.93
I think next time
we're gonna be talking about
00:27:10.96\00:27:13.55
predators and
bullying on the internet.
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So, Ernest Staats,
thank you so much for coming
00:27:15.56\00:27:18.58
and sharing this with
us today. You're welcome.
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You know for
those of you at home,
00:27:21.60\00:27:23.70
if you take away anything
thing from this program.
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If you are parent, get involved
with your kid's online life
00:27:27.03\00:27:32.57
and don't be surprised that
they are lot deeper involved
00:27:32.60\00:27:36.43
than you might
think they are, very young
00:27:36.46\00:27:38.35
and part of this
younger generation particularly
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25 and under and so get involved
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make it your point to
really learn about the internet.
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Now may the grace of
our Lord Jesus Christ,
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the love of the Father
00:27:51.38\00:27:52.63
and the
fellowship of the Holy Spirit
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be with you always.
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