Hello, I'm Shelley Quinn,
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and welcome again
to issues and answers.
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We are so glad that
you could join us today
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and I think that you are going
to find this a fascinating topic
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because our issue
today is going to be
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God's plan of
salvation for your children
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and how this plan is perfectly
depicted in the sanctuary.
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Let me read you one
of my favorite scriptures
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and this is a Bible promise
that you can hold on to it.
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It comes from Hebrews 4:16
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and the Bible says, "Let us come
boldly to the throne of grace,
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that we may receive
mercy and find grace
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to help in good
time for every need."
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You know, Hebrew 7:25 says that
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Jesus is living to
make intercession for us
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and God is
inviting us as His children
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to come before
Him to talk with Him,
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to let Him talk with us
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and to know that He is a
God who knows us intimately
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and He wants to be
involved in every detail,
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intimate detail of our lives.
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Well, please help me
welcome our special guest
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and that is Martin Weber
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and Martin we are so glad
that you have come back again.
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Oh, thanks.
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You know, you have been
here several times before
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and we've had
some good discussions
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about how to keep
kids in the church.
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And today we are
going to be talking
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about a very
fascinating topic to me,
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and that's heaven's
plan to save your kids
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as seen through the sanctuary.
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Now you are, for those
who have not seen you before,
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you are the
Communications Director
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for Mid-America Region of the
Seventh-day Adventist Church.
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You are the editor
for the Outlet Magazine,
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Just finished
your doctorial studies
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and everything that we've
been discussing has come from,
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as you worked in the doctorate
in divinity, is that what it is?
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I mean doctor of ministry. Yeah.
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Doctor of Ministry.
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So you have done
all of this research
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and found some
fascinating things.
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So let's talk
about why the Sanctuary
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and this pre-advent
judgment is actually something
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that if your
children understand,
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it will help keep
them in the church.
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Yes, yes.
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The Bible talks
in a New Testament
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about the same
Old and New Testament
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about the sanctuary.
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The word
"sanctuary" means refuge,
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just like during
the old slave days
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the nation of Canada
was for escaping slaves,
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a sanctuary, a place of refuge.
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They were going north through
the underground railroads,
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you know, and find refuge there.
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And Jesus today is
working harder for us
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than He did when He
was here on this earth.
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Because here on this earth
He had to take time out of sleep
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and do the things we all
need to do or we like to expect.
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In the sanctuary, the
Bible says right now here,
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right now He ever lives,
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always lives to make
intercession for us 24x7.
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Amen. And that's so exciting.
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Sometimes people will say,
"Oh, I need a prayer partner."
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And a lot of times people,
because I am on television,
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you know, they
will call in or write
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and say will you
be my prayer partner?
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And I can't obviously.
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So I'll tell them if you
can't find any prayer partner,
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just know that
there is one in heaven
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who is interceding with you.
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I mean He's
praying with you right now
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and Jesus is
your prayer partner.
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Yeah, and He is interceding.
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It's another word for
it, He is our advocate.
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Absolutely. Advocate.
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And He is not trying to
get God the Father to like us
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or want us to be saved
like He wants us to be saved
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or rather the two of
them are working together
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against our common adversary,
which is the enemy, the devil.
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Now let me make sure everyone
understood what you just said.
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God loves us unconditionally,
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and Jesus isn't trying to
convince the Father to love us
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because He's loved us
with an everlasting love,
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therefore He draws us
with love and kindness,
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but rather the two of
them are working together
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against our adversary Satan
who is the accuser of brethren.
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He is the
accuser of the brethren.
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The word adversary or accuser is
right there in the name, Satan.
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It's very dramatic
throughout scripture
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particularly in the Book
of Revelation, Chapter 12
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where it talks about the devil,
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Satan, accusing
us before the Father
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and day and night
as being unworthy.
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You cast me out of heaven,
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how dare you bring them up there
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when they do some of the
same things I tempt them to do.
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Yes, yes.
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So now when you
were studying this,
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how do you think that
the pre-advent judgment
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shows God's
willingness to dialogue with us?
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Yeah. Dialogue as we
talked about is a major factor
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in avoiding attrition
instead of because I said so.
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So we are
talking about attrition
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and children leaving the church
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and if a parent
will actually communicate
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and dialogue and
let the child speak back
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and be open instead of just,
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you are going to
do because I said so.
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Yeah.
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Some Christians have a view
of God that's very arbitrary.
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You know, He even determines
arbitrarily apparently
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before people are born,
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whether they are
going to be saved or lost.
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It's a very Calvinistic view.
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Yeah, yeah,
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and of course a lot of people
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duly love the
Lord and believe that,
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but the view of
God if we as parents
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whether we are clergy
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or otherwise have
that way towards our kids
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because I said so,
you know, arbitrarily,
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extrinsic rather than engaging
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and God says, "Come
now, let us reason together."
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Right.
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There are couple of things
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about the Old
Testament sanctuary
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that are so
beautifully reflected
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to the New
Testament ministry of Christ.
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May I share it?
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Please. Please, do.
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Okay.
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In the Hebrew legal system
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there were no
advocates normally.
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If you witness the crime,
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if you saw me at
WalMart stealing something,
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back in Old Testament
times you understand--
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Right, with the
WalMart ahead off the cyanide.
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Yeah, off the
cyanide, yeah, right there.
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If you saw me taking something
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that was yours
specific duty to prosecute,
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to bring me before the judge
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and say I saw Martin
doing such as such, you know.
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And so there are
words before the judge.
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Now there was
no defender for me,
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because the judge was required
by Hebrew law to take my side.
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The Judge was your advocate.
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Yes. He was your defender.
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Yes. Right.
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Now here in our
western legal system,
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which we get through the Romans,
the Judge has to be neutral.
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If there's a biased
one way or the other,
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the judge must recuse
himself and step back.
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But back in Hebrew times,
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no, the judge was biased
and prejudiced in favor of--
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Hallelujah. Yeah.
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Isn't that exciting?
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Yeah, in favor of the defender.
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Now of course the
judge had to be fair.
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So if you could,
you know, show a video
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from your cell
phone of me taking that
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whatever I was taking
from WalMart you know,
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if you are the evidence
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the judge had to reluctantly
abandon his defense of me
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and see to it that a just
justice would be executed.
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But, that was not
the predisposition.
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The
predisposition was vindication.
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And what so
exciting about that is
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because Christ is
called our advocate.
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He is also called our judge.
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So he is the Father and the
son are actually on our side
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and if this evidence
that's presented to them
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is found to be true
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and if refutably true
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and we are not
seeking refuge in Christ
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then there will be a
penalty. Yeah, absolutely.
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The penalty of sin is death.
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Yeah, it wasn't an
inconsequence thing
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that Jesus died.
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He didn't die in vain.
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He died for a purpose
for us to find a refuge.
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Now here is what
I really get excited
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because although
they were not advocates
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or defense attorneys normally,
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and three situations
in Old Testament times
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in Hebrew legal system
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and three situations
there were advocates.
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And this is from
the Jewish encyclopedia.
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Number one, if the
accused was the spouse of,
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if you were the husband of
the accused and more as charges,
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then the husband was a
court appointed advocate
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to represent the wife.
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Christ and His pride.
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There you go. I love it.
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Yeah, Christ stands up for His
pride which is being accused.
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So number one, number two is,
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if there was a minor child,
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a girl under 13
and a boy under 12,
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in the Hebrew legal system
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a child was given a
court appointed advocate.
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Praise God.
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And so we are children.
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We are children of God.
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So we have an advocate appointed
by the judge to represent Him
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and to represent us
before Him against Satan
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who is accusing in helping.
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The judge vindicated.
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And the third, now this not
very flattering of human nature,
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but when I hear to be flattered.
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If there was an insane person,
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if there was insane person
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that obviously couldn't
defend himself or herself
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the judge was
required by lateral point
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and advocate to
represent this insane person.
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Now of course, the Bible, says
that the whole head is sick.
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The whole heart is faint.
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Sin is insane.
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You know, it's
insane to treat the people
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we love the most the
worst, that's insane.
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It's insane to do the stuff
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we are tempted to
do too often indeed.
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Dude, in our
weakonomics that's insane.
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Absolutely.
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It's insane not love the Lord
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with all our
hearts and soul and mind.
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It's insane, it's insane,
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whatever that you yield towards
temptation, we are in the flush.
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We are insane. Oh, that's true.
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And God is sort
of condemning us,
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He pity's us by giving us
a quarter pointed advocate,
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who stands up for
us in the sanctuary
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with Him and represents us.
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So they are right there
in the Jewish encyclopedia
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from the Hebrew legal
system in the Old Testament,
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we have these glorious New
Testament Gospel principles
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of father and
son working together
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for our
vindication against the enemy
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who is accusing us
like he accused Job.
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And you know when
you think about this,
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I use this illustration
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that what
Satan's favorite snares
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is he takes us to his
baton of self-condemnation
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and he is passing it off to us.
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And so what we
do is not realizing
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that we have an advocate
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who is standing before the
judge and they both on our side,
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we will take that baton
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and we will just bang it
on ourselves over the head.
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There is self-condemnation,
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whereas the Bible
says in Romans 8:1,
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"If you are in Christ,
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therefore there
is no condemnation
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for those who
are in Christ Jesus."
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Right.
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Later in that
chapter which is of course
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one of Christianity's
favorite chapters,
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Romans 8, later on it talks,
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it bring us into the
Sanctuary on this very matter
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that you are
talking about condemnation,
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who is he that
would dare condemn us,
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God is the one who justifies.
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And Jesus is the one
who intercedes for us.
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So right there
in Romans chapter 8,
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whatever we are
feeling condemned about,
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God says you may feel that way,
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but it's not reality in Christ,
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if you have come
apart from the world
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and its foolishness
and you've turned around
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and you've repented and
you've come to me through Jesus.
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And the throne of grace that
Hebrew chapter 4 talks about
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that you read about
is actually of course
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in the Old
Testament like the mercy seat.
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Right, Amen.
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And, yes, the law is there.
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God is a just God.
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But the slab of Gold,
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there is mercy with the angels
looking over the mercy seat
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that's how we relay
with God through his mercy.
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None of us is good
enough to relay to Him
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on the basis of how
well we are keeping the law.
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You know, in
Lamentations 3:22-23,
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I believe, where it says that,
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"His mercies are
new every morning,
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His compassions fail not,"
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and we think about this and
that is God wants to forgive us
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if we would
just turn 1 John 1:9,
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says that he is faithful and
just if we will confess our sin
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he will not only
forgive us our sin,
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but cleans us of
all our righteousness.
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And, you know,
when you said earlier
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that some people believe
that there is a predisposition
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that you are predestined either,
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you know, you
saved your knot distance,
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the Bible says that God wants
all men to repent into the same.
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That's His heart.
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The only predestination is that
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I can really say for
sure is Romans 8:29 that
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"Those who He foreknew
that would come to Christ,"
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based on what Romans 8:28
says that we are in Christ,
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He predestined
us to be conformed
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to the image of His Son.
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So that's our destiny.
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That's our pre-destiny, is
to be conformed to His image.
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God has put us in
Christ, without our request,
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without our permission before
we even existed physically
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God put us in Christ.
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When Jesus died, we died.
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When He rose. We rose.
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And when He was as a
high priest installed
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as in this ministry in
the sanctuary that was for us.
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And so now, we
have a choice to make
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He is called the second Adam.
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The first Adam wrecked at
the tree in the Garden of Eden.
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And that's not fair.
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Somebody says it is
not fair for what Adam did.
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Because of what Adam did,
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you know, there is death there.
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It's true it's not fair.
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That's why God gave us a
second Adam, Jesus Christ.
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So now we have a choice to make.
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We can identify ourselves
with either fall in Adam
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and his follies by doing
what comes naturally doing
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what we feel like doing,
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doing what the
world tells us to do,
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or we can identify with
the second Adam Jesus Christ
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and find a whole new
history in what He did
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and His perfect
works become our history.
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Now, you confused
me just a little bit
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because there is a
choice for us to be in Christ
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when 1 Corinthians 1:13 says,
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it's because of God
that we are in Christ,
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but we agreed
that the choice says
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we have to born
again to be in him.
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Okay. I just want a
clarify that one point.
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Yeah, to get a little deeper,
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164 times in the New Testament
there is a Christ motif
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and God has created a
whole new humanity in Christ.
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We are new
creations in Christ Jesus.
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The old has gone
and the new has come.
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That's right. And
historically, 2000 years ago,
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there was a whole new human race
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created through the
resurrection of Jesus Christ
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called the Church,
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and Jesus briefed his spirit
upon this whole new humanity
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and when we repent
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and come to Christ we are
included in this new humanity,
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we are included in Christ. Amen.
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And so in a sense
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we were in the
Garden of Eden when he send,
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Adam send the first
Adam and in a very real sense
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we were also in Christ
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when he died on the
Cross and rose again.
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And now we have
our choice to make.
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Do I wish to be an Adam?
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Do I wish to be in Christ?
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And by that identification
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that's our
eternal salvation or loss.
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And, you know, there is
Revelation 12:11 says that,
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"We overcome by
the blood of the Lamb
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and the word of our Testament,"
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and that's something
that I think its so important
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we were discussing
this before the program
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knowing your identity in Christ
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and confessing
who you are in Christ
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because if the Bible
tells us in Romans 10:17,
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it says, faith comes by hearing
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and hearing by
the word of Christ.
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And I think it's
Romans 10:10 that talks about,
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it's with your
heart that you believe
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but with your mouth that
you confess and are saved.
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So this is something
that's our part of thing
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that's our
sanctuary when you talk about
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overcoming the blood of Lamb
and the word of our Testament.
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Yes.
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And the context there is
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specifically overcoming
the accusations of Satan. Amen.
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He is accusing us and God
has to be fair just like with,
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you caught me at WalMart
back there at Satan right.
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And so the Judge has to be fair
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and if you got
evidence against me,
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I need to have
evidence to vindicate
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in my evidence is in the
cross of our Lord Jesus Christ
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and that's where the
cross comes in because God,
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a holy and just God, finds
through the cross the evidence,
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the blood of
Jesus, we are vindicated
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through the blood of Jesus
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and whom we trust
so, there at the cross,
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we find the
evidence, we find our salvation
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and God says yes
that is your evidence.
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So a holy God
can relate to sinners
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through the blood of the cross.
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Now we are talking about,
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we need to bring this back in
00:19:06.07\00:19:07.40
and hide into how this
helps children's to know things
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and keeps them in the church.
00:19:11.45\00:19:13.04
You know, God is one who
is very open and transparent.
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He says comes let
us reason together.
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I want to have this
communication with you,
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which is what you are
saying that parents need to,
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it can't be God
doesn't force us to act.
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Nor can we force
our children to act.
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We have to train them
up, give them principles,
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but we have to recognize
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that we do have to
as they grow and mature.
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They have to learn how to make
some decisions on their own.
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But how does
this in your research?
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What was it about understanding
the sanctuary system?
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And this relationship with God,
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how is that helped keep
the children in the church?
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On the specific
thing of dialogue,
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the dialogue and we
are processing problems
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and discussing problems
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this is what's
going on in the sanctuary.
00:20:06.95\00:20:08.77
The Bible talks
about in the New Testament,
00:20:08.80\00:20:12.45
well first of all,
a lot of Christians
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are looking to Jerusalem
00:20:16.06\00:20:17.84
for rebuilding of a
temple down there, you know.
00:20:17.87\00:20:21.74
But it says in the book of
Hebrews don't look down there.
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Look to heaven.
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Yeah, we are just like
a cook needs of kitchen
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a priest needs a sanctuary
00:20:29.72\00:20:31.86
and Jesus our priests in
heaven interceding for us
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is in the sanctuary and
there are two different phases
00:20:35.92\00:20:39.61
of this sanctuary work for us
00:20:39.64\00:20:42.38
there is the
continual forgiving us,
00:20:42.41\00:20:46.31
confession there
is the that going on,
00:20:46.34\00:20:49.10
but there is also judgment phase
00:20:49.13\00:20:51.97
where by God opens the
books for the celestial universe
00:20:52.00\00:20:57.52
for the angels to
see how he has been fair
00:20:57.55\00:21:02.33
and relating to
people throughout history,
00:21:02.36\00:21:05.72
and He wouldn't have to do that
00:21:05.75\00:21:07.32
because He is God,
He could say well, hey.
00:21:07.35\00:21:09.82
Just because I said so.
00:21:09.85\00:21:10.88
Yeah, exactly, but
instead He does say,
00:21:10.91\00:21:14.18
"Let us reason together,"
00:21:14.21\00:21:15.69
and Romans 3:3 talks
about how God Himself,
00:21:15.72\00:21:22.08
allows Himself to be vindicated
00:21:22.11\00:21:24.51
and He overcomes
when He is judged.
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That almost seems
blasphemous to think
00:21:27.81\00:21:31.26
that God being
judged will actually,
00:21:31.29\00:21:34.92
God does allow
Himself to be ordered
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by His celestial universe.
00:21:38.75\00:21:42.08
He opens the book and
says I have nothing to hide
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just like a CEO
of some corporation
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who might be
accused of some fraud.
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He says, "Look, I
have nothing to hide.
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Open the books
look over my shoulder,
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see what I have done,
see what I have got here."
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And then the company,
they can look and say,
00:21:59.32\00:22:02.62
"Well, hey, yeah, you
have been fair and justice
00:22:02.65\00:22:04.99
this is the type of
thing that's going on right now
00:22:05.02\00:22:09.42
just before Jesus
comes in the sanctuary,"
00:22:09.45\00:22:12.23
whereby the devil who
accuses not just us and,
00:22:12.26\00:22:15.90
you know, ultimately it's
not us that he is getting it.
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It's--He is trying to
get a God. That's right.
00:22:19.22\00:22:22.40
You know, we are just peons,
00:22:22.43\00:22:23.79
you know, come along
and live a few days and die.
00:22:23.82\00:22:26.90
He is trying to prove
God's system is wrong,
00:22:26.93\00:22:29.21
which is what he
has been trying to prove
00:22:29.24\00:22:30.77
from the very
beginning. Exactly.
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God is like the chair
of the parole board, okay?
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Okay.
00:22:36.93\00:22:37.96
Now here in Illinois, if
the chair of the parole board,
00:22:37.99\00:22:43.80
or the governor
whoever pardon in this day,
00:22:43.83\00:22:46.49
let somebody who deserves to
die paroles him turns him lose,
00:22:46.52\00:22:51.77
well, it's not just a question
00:22:51.80\00:22:53.07
why is that guy
running around lose,
00:22:53.10\00:22:54.63
but who in the world-- Did it.
00:22:54.66\00:22:56.50
Yeah. Parole is such a person.
00:22:56.53\00:22:59.20
So here we are running
around free of condemnation.
00:22:59.23\00:23:04.33
Now the Devil says,
00:23:04.36\00:23:06.55
"Mind whoever
deserves to be condemned."
00:23:06.58\00:23:09.05
But God, the Father,
paroled me in the sanctuary
00:23:09.08\00:23:11.90
so here I am running
around free in the Lord,
00:23:11.93\00:23:14.53
rejoicing and the devil says,
00:23:14.56\00:23:16.21
"Hey, not only why
is he running around
00:23:16.24\00:23:18.93
but how could
you God set him free,
00:23:18.96\00:23:22.22
how could you paroled him
from guilt and condemnation!
00:23:22.25\00:23:25.45
And so it's in the Sanctuary
that God shows this man
00:23:25.48\00:23:30.87
is trusting in the
blood of Jesus Christ. Amen.
00:23:30.90\00:23:33.82
Yes, He is got false and such,
00:23:33.85\00:23:37.18
but when you come
down to that this man
00:23:37.21\00:23:39.47
is a believer
and you are believer.
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In my church, by definition,
00:23:42.37\00:23:44.03
they are the part
of the body of Christ.
00:23:44.06\00:23:45.45
They are believing in Christ.
00:23:45.48\00:23:47.65
So therefore they
have a right to be free.
00:23:47.68\00:23:52.38
God stands up and
he defends our freedom.
00:23:52.41\00:23:55.50
"Whom the son has
set free is free indeed."
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Yes. Amen.
00:23:57.40\00:23:58.98
Now, you know, I'm
thinking about the love of God.
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Romans 5:8 is one of
my favorite scriptures
00:24:03.94\00:24:07.10
that says that this is the way
00:24:07.13\00:24:09.21
God manifested His love for us
00:24:09.24\00:24:11.54
that He sent His
son to die for us
00:24:11.57\00:24:14.56
while we were yet sinners.
00:24:14.59\00:24:16.87
Is this the idea
in your research,
00:24:16.90\00:24:20.25
how if children
understand this plan,
00:24:20.28\00:24:26.65
and understand
that God is not that--
00:24:26.68\00:24:30.60
let me put it this way
that God is the perfect Father,
00:24:30.63\00:24:33.99
the giver of every
good and perfect gift
00:24:34.02\00:24:36.21
and that He is not one
up there as judge looking
00:24:36.24\00:24:39.27
and saying I'm
going to get you, get you,
00:24:39.30\00:24:41.23
ah, you did this wrong.
00:24:41.26\00:24:42.35
I'm going to get you,
00:24:42.38\00:24:43.50
but rather He is up
there working with Christ,
00:24:43.53\00:24:47.38
the son as our
advocate trying to say,
00:24:47.41\00:24:50.82
you know, come confess to me,
00:24:50.85\00:24:52.49
I'm going to
send my Holy Spirit.
00:24:52.52\00:24:53.68
I am wooing you with my love.
00:24:53.71\00:24:55.53
Confess to me and
I'll forgive your sins.
00:24:55.56\00:24:58.86
I'll pardon you and
I'm going to protect you
00:24:58.89\00:25:01.67
from your adversary, the devil.
00:25:01.70\00:25:03.82
Is this idea?
00:25:03.85\00:25:06.54
Is this what gives children
the cement they need to stay?
00:25:06.57\00:25:11.27
Yeah, the hope to
carry on. Absolutely.
00:25:11.30\00:25:13.19
Hope, that's the
word I was looking for.
00:25:13.22\00:25:15.12
And, you know, there is
one more dimension to this
00:25:15.15\00:25:17.38
and the little
time we have left,
00:25:17.41\00:25:20.16
the sanctuary
also tells me not only,
00:25:20.19\00:25:23.28
is God not condemning me,
00:25:23.31\00:25:24.60
but I should not condemn myself.
00:25:24.63\00:25:26.80
Don't take that baton, right.
00:25:26.83\00:25:28.05
Yeah, yeah.
00:25:28.08\00:25:29.52
You know, often I would
hear as a pastor or chaplain.
00:25:29.55\00:25:33.42
Well, look what I did.
00:25:33.45\00:25:35.50
I can't forgive myself.
00:25:35.53\00:25:37.76
And I would try
to gently ask them,
00:25:37.79\00:25:41.33
"Well, do you think you are God?
00:25:41.36\00:25:42.85
You know, what makes you think
00:25:42.88\00:25:44.34
that you have the right to
00:25:44.37\00:25:46.08
either forgive
yourself or condemn yourself?"
00:25:46.11\00:25:48.33
You know, we
don't have that right.
00:25:48.36\00:25:49.94
We are not the
judge of ourselves.
00:25:49.97\00:25:53.84
God is the Judge and He says,
00:25:53.87\00:25:55.86
I am in the
forgiveness business.
00:25:55.89\00:25:58.64
So who are you or who am I to,
00:25:58.67\00:26:00.53
you know, think
what I need to decide.
00:26:00.56\00:26:02.28
I'm smarter than God.
00:26:02.31\00:26:04.24
He forgave me, but I
won't forgive myself.
00:26:04.27\00:26:06.98
And the sanctuary also tells me
00:26:07.01\00:26:09.26
that I have no
right to condemn myself
00:26:09.29\00:26:12.34
and I have no right to
let other people condemn me,
00:26:12.37\00:26:16.17
like suffer guilt
trips that other people
00:26:16.20\00:26:17.96
might try to force upon me,
00:26:17.99\00:26:19.46
whether they are
the Church members
00:26:19.49\00:26:21.00
or people out
there in the world,
00:26:21.03\00:26:23.09
if God has accepted me
00:26:23.12\00:26:25.12
and He is the only
one that accounts there,
00:26:25.15\00:26:27.22
He is the judge,
if He says you are in,
00:26:27.25\00:26:30.42
I have no right to question
that, nor does anybody else.
00:26:30.45\00:26:34.00
Praise God.
00:26:34.03\00:26:35.06
You know, I think one
of the greatest lessons
00:26:35.09\00:26:37.48
of the sanctuary is that
the typical day atonement,
00:26:37.51\00:26:41.00
which we are looking
for a typical day of epitome
00:26:41.03\00:26:45.00
is that is the
judgment was in favor
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of the people
of God, hallelujah.
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Yes, judgment in
favor, that's right.
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So that's why you can have like
to name Daniel, God is my judge.
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It means God is my vindicator.
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God's on my side.
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Amen. Amen.
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Martin this has
been just fascinating.
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I love this, and I want to thank
you so much for returning again
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and I think that, you've really,
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your research is going to
make a difference in the church.
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Thank you.
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We are so pleased to have you.
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I hope that you
have benefited from this
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and enjoyed this wonderful study
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and that this will just kind
of hitting the very top of this.
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I hope that you
go and do some study
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on your own for the sanctuary
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and all the beautiful
lessons that of the Gospel
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that are in the
sanctuary service.
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And for now, we pray
that you and your family
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that the love of
our Lord Jesus Christ
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and the grace of Him
and the love of the Father
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and fellowship
of the Holy Spirit
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will be with you
today and for everyday
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throughout eternity. Thank you.
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