Participants: Shelley Quinn (Host), Ron and Nancy Rockey
Series Code: IAA
Program Code: IAA000320
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00:29 Hello, I am Shelly Quinn
00:31 and welcome again to "Issues and Answers." 00:34 We are so glad that you could join us today 00:36 and we just want to welcome those of you 00:38 who are tuning in from China and Japan 00:41 and New Zealand and Australia and Europe. 00:44 It's so exciting and especially for those 00:47 that are tuning in from Saudi Arabia. 00:49 We are so glad that you are joining us. 00:51 You know we are going to talk today 00:53 about how to get on the right road? 00:57 How to get off that path that's leading to destruction 01:01 emotionally and to get back on a healthy path? 01:07 And it makes me think of the Scripture 01:09 and I kind of wear this Scripture out. 01:11 I love it. 01:13 It's Acts 26:18 and Paul is sharing the story 01:17 of what Jesus said to him on the road to Damascus. 01:21 And here's what Jesus said, he said to Paul, 01:23 "I am sending you to open blind eyes, 01:28 to turn them from darkness to light, 01:30 from the power of Satan to the power of God 01:33 that they may receive an inheritance 01:39 among those who are sanctified by faith in Me." 01:42 Isn't that wonderful? 01:44 That's what God wants to do, is open our blind eyes, 01:47 help us to recognize what's really going on 01:49 and turn us around, bring us out of darkness into light. 01:52 Well, we have returning today, Nancy and Ron Rockey. 01:57 And I am surprised, Rockey is a German name. 02:01 Yes, it is. Huh, okay. 02:03 And you guys are both doctors. 02:07 You have your doctoral degree in Psychology. 02:10 You are the founders of the Life Renewal Institute. 02:15 Right. I am going to get that. 02:17 And I am so glad that you've joined us again today 02:19 because we are going to be 02:21 talking about a very needed topic, 02:24 how to change the way we react to our past, 02:29 how to instead of react, respond. 02:32 Is that right? That's right. 02:35 I like to look at it from a different point of view 02:37 rather than react 02:38 to the circumstances of life, we act. 02:41 In another words we have got the ability 02:42 to make a choice. Amen. 02:44 Without the information we are stuck on self defeat 02:48 because we are on that road that seems right unto a man, 02:51 but when you have the right information we can act 02:53 and make a decision to go out in a different direction. 02:56 So, Ron, you were saying something 02:57 before the program began that I really liked 02:59 and you said that when we are wounded 03:02 we come to the wrong conclusions and then what happens. Yeah. 03:05 When we are wounded we come to some wrong conclusions. 03:07 Distorted. Distorted conclusions. 03:09 and when signs are shown that-- 03:12 in fact, you can even see it by Paul's writings as well 03:15 that when we are wounded in childhood 03:17 we are emotionally stunted. 03:19 We are dwarfed at the age of the damage. 03:22 So we become infants or we are fully grown adults, 03:27 but we act in interrelationships like child, like being childish. 03:33 Board meetings, church board meetings, 03:35 husband and wife, they bicker over little things. 03:39 All this nitpicking nonsense. I want it my way. 03:41 And what we haven't understood 03:45 is that when we were growing up we are supposed to-- 03:48 the natural process is going from self-centeredness, 03:51 a child must be self-centered when as an infant. 03:54 That's survival. 03:55 That's survival to get his needs met. 03:58 When we are wounded 03:59 and there's a long list of things 04:02 that would cause the wound. 04:03 It could be a difficult birth, 04:05 it could be abuses, it could be anything. 04:08 Well, when we were wounded 04:09 we are emotionally dwarfed at that age. 04:12 And rather than being other-centered, 04:14 when we start hitting puberty 04:16 we wind up finding that we are losing control 04:19 when we are other-centered and thinking about others. 04:22 So we turn back to what is norm for us 04:25 and we become and stay in a self-centered, selfish mode 04:29 and we continue that for a life time. 04:31 And the purpose of the gospel 04:33 is to move us from selfish modality to other modality. 04:37 So I have heard and read scientific studies 04:41 that have said that when someone starts taking drugs, 04:45 say if they start drug-use at the age of 13 or 16 or 18 04:49 then at that point that they become addicted to drugs 04:53 that is where they stop emotionally. 04:56 That's the stop of their emotional growth, 04:58 but you are actually saying before that it's even more, 05:02 it's where-- it doesn't just have to-- 05:05 What is the reason for wanting to take the drugs? 05:07 It's the wound. 05:09 That's just the loss of control. Okay. 05:10 It's the wound that sets us up. 05:12 So this, I have got control over. 05:14 Do you think everybody does that? 05:16 I mean, that's on drugs. 05:17 Do you think that's just a control-- 05:19 No, people do it with religion as well. Okay. 05:22 They become addicted to religion. 05:25 See, if I pray enough, if I read the Bible enough. 05:27 I am stepping on the toes now. 05:30 But when we are doing it in order to get, 05:33 we'll never get. Okay. 05:35 It has got to come from Him living within. Absolutely. 05:39 And that is not a matter of getting 05:42 or trying to be, it is because, I am. 05:44 You know what, that reminds me some dear soul called 3ABN 05:49 and I have been talking on a program 05:51 about praying for an hour or two hours a day. 05:53 And they called and they said, "What are you trying to do? 05:56 Look so self righteous 05:58 and make us all feel guilty out here?" 05:59 And I thought, hah. 06:01 You know I was trying to be very careful 06:03 and say, "I know, I felt God called me to this 06:07 and it's not that everybody needs to do that, 06:10 but it sure wouldn't hurt, 06:12 but I am not doing it to earn anything 06:15 or out of a feeling that I have to. 06:17 Why I do that it's because I have just enjoyed learning 06:21 how to press into His presence and receive from Him." So-- 06:25 You know when two people love each other-- 06:28 They want to spend time. 06:29 They wanted to be together. They want to communicate. 06:32 Ron and I like nothing more 06:35 than the privilege of nothing in front of us, 06:38 but empty time to be together, 06:41 to talk, to share, to laugh, to cry, 06:44 to pray, to sing together. 06:46 And how many years have you been together? 06:48 42 years we love the idea sitting on our porches 06:51 holding each other's hand and saying nothing. 06:53 Oh, that's wonderful. 06:55 That's contentment-- That's been real contentment. 06:57 Yes, it is. It's just, it's awesome. 07:00 But it wasn't always that way. Oh, no. 07:02 It was the 12 years of on the road to hell, if you will 07:06 and then something happened and you woke up. 07:10 Let's talk about that process. 07:13 Knowledge came our way. 07:15 You know, Hosea 4:6 says, 07:17 "My people die for lack of knowledge." 07:19 It's what we don't know about ourselves personally. 07:24 What we spend for some of us a lifetime denying. 07:30 That does ascend. 07:32 When we finally tell ourselves the truth, 07:34 when we say, I have a need, I have a problem. 07:39 I don't feel like I am worth much. 07:42 We go back to see how we got there. 07:46 We change the view that we have of ourselves 07:49 instead of what worth and value we got 07:54 from mom or dad or the person who wounded us, 07:58 the old man across the street who sexually abused us 08:02 or whatever, whatever, instead of that view 08:05 we hear God saying, "You are mine. 08:09 I call you by a pet name I have for you. 08:12 You are my cherished possession, my priceless pearl." 08:16 We begin to see our innate, 08:19 inborn worth and value, not self esteem. 08:25 That's thinking of ourselves more highly than we ought. Okay. 08:29 But our worth and it comes from only one place, 08:35 from God. Amen. 08:37 So when we begin to change that conclusion 08:40 that we are worthless to we have 08:42 infinite worth and value in God's sight. Wow. 08:47 Then we start acquiring more knowledge. 08:51 And our fear-- remember, 08:54 we talked about how slippery fear is. 08:57 It creates so many negative feelings. 08:59 Our fear turns to hope and to love. 09:03 And all of a sudden 09:04 we are not driven on the road to self-defeat. 09:07 For the first time in our lives we have a choice. 09:11 We see that there's two roads. 09:13 The Bible says it, "There's a way that seems right, 09:17 but the end thereof is the way of death, 09:20 but My way is the way of life." 09:23 Mmm, I don't have to take the old road. 09:27 I can try the new road. 09:29 So all of a sudden we start developing techniques, again. 09:34 But this time they are positive techniques. 09:38 We spend time with God. 09:41 Our techniques are changed. Very positive technique.Yes. 09:44 Instead of making ourselves feel better by taking drugs 09:50 or drinking we feel better by relishing in the warmth 09:55 and the love and the affection that God, the father has for us. 10:00 And instead of paying a price for those terrible techniques 10:03 all of a sudden we are reaping benefits now 10:06 because of our new techniques. 10:08 Let me tell you one of the benefits that I received. 10:12 With my background being rejected 10:14 and not really connected with females in my early childhood, 10:18 do I know anything about love? 10:20 Now that's, very little. 10:22 No, zero. Zero, okay. 10:24 The only love I knew 10:25 is what I could get from other people for myself. 10:27 Okay. That's the only love I knew. 10:29 So how do I love this woman? 10:31 So you are seeking love, you don't know how to give love 10:34 because you don't understand what the love is. 10:35 Anything I give is only in order to get. Okay. 10:38 Self-centered. Self-centered. 10:41 That's what wounds do to us. 10:42 They make us need to survive so we become centered on self. 10:49 Okay. So how do I love this woman? 10:52 You can't. Can't. 10:54 Thank you. To this day, I can't. 10:58 So what happens is this, I used to ask her what do-- 11:01 you keep saying, "Do you love me?" 11:04 What do you need from me to know, 11:06 so you'll know that I love you? 11:09 She says, "Pick up your underwear." 11:12 Oh, is that it? All right. 11:13 So I picked up my underwear. 11:15 But that didn't mean you loved her. 11:16 That's exactly what she said, two days later. 11:19 I have been keep picking up my underwear, 11:20 do you know I loved her. For two whole days. 11:22 Do you get it now? Do you get it now? 11:23 No, that was then. It's different today. 11:25 That's the whole point. 11:27 Our idea, the concept is love changes consistently. 11:32 So this idea that doing the right thing, 11:34 bringing a rose, saying I love you, 11:36 all these things, yes, they are important 11:39 but if it's not coming from within it means nothing. 11:42 If its coming from emptiness in order to get back. 11:46 Now watch what happens. So how do I get there? 11:51 Is emptying the cheese out of my macaroni, 11:53 emptying the pain out of my own life, 11:56 so when He lives in me, I ask Him, 11:59 Lord, I don't know how to love this woman. 12:04 I don't know that, but you do. 12:07 You are the source of love. Amen. 12:09 Give me, lead me in the paths of your right being. 12:13 And I know all of a sudden wind up doing things for her 12:16 it blows her and me out of the water. 12:18 You know this is interesting because first of all, 12:21 I want to explain the cheese and the macaroni 12:22 because we talked about that on the previous program. 12:25 And the cheese, the macaroni is that 12:27 Ron's got this little analogy and it says that 12:30 you know, if you got macaroni swimming around in the cheese 12:33 and it gets all filled up with cheese, 12:35 then you can try to pour something else on it and over it 12:39 nothing is going to get that cheese out. 12:43 The Holy Spirit is like that. 12:44 He's been poured on us 12:46 and as long as we get this cheese in us, 12:47 all this negative stuff 12:49 then He can't really get inside of us. 12:51 He's first got to wash it out of us 12:53 and we have got to surrender that to the Lord. That's right. 12:55 That what you were just saying 12:57 is I use Romans 5:5 to teach that, 13:00 you know, 1 John 4:16 says that "God is love." 13:04 Romans 5:5 tells us how we can love 13:07 is that God pours His love into our heart 13:11 by His Holy Spirit. Absolutely. 13:14 So when He asks us to love Him with all of our heart, soul, 13:17 mind and strength or love our neighbor as yourself. 13:19 We can't. No. 13:21 We have to go to Him, 13:22 but even for a love between husband and wife, 13:25 it's got to be that. 13:27 She was wanting a self-sacrificing love. 13:29 You were not feeling valued 13:31 because he left everything for you to pick up, right? 13:33 That's correct. 13:34 So, now, so far what we were talking about it's really good, 13:37 but I don't want it to come across as theory to our viewers. 13:40 Oh, no, its not theory. So I want to back this up. 13:43 You're saying that when we recognize 13:46 we have been wounded, we have had distorted thinking 13:51 and somehow we gain knowledge to say I recognize this. 13:56 It's time to do something about it. 13:58 How did that happen for you? 14:00 You were a pastor 14:02 and you really weren't connected with the Lord. 14:04 You weren't filled with the Holy Spirit, 14:07 you're filled with rage, you're filled with rejection. 14:10 Tell me how it happened for you specifically 14:13 that God got your attention because we can say, 14:16 okay, you get new knowledge and you start new techniques. 14:19 How do you make that turnaround? 14:21 That turnaround happened after I had a PhD. 14:24 Okay. We were-- 14:26 So everybody's got to go and get a PhD. 14:28 No, the PhD didn't do it. Trust us. 14:30 Didn't do nothing 14:32 and I was a pastor for many years 14:33 and I was in the parsonage 14:35 and Nancy and I were having a knock-down, blow-out battle. 14:40 Screaming and hollering and carrying 14:42 are one of those bad days and the door bell rang. 14:45 And I who was blasting her all the way to the door 14:48 and I opened up the door 14:50 and he says, "Are you Pastor Rockey?" 14:52 I said, "Yes." "Glad to meet you." 14:55 I went from a raging nut case just by a decision, 15:00 bang, I was fine and all that stuff, 15:02 now wait a minute if I can do that for a stranger, 15:06 why I can't do that to my wife? 15:08 Yeah. Wow. 15:11 And it took for us to then 15:14 begin to get the answer to that question, 15:18 why can't I do that? 15:20 And he couldn't because his resentment, 15:23 his greater resentment was toward his mother. 15:27 And when a couple marry 15:30 the husband takes out his resentment 15:32 toward his mother on the wife, 15:35 and the wife takes out her resentment 15:37 to her father on the husband. 15:39 So why did I have so much animosity toward her? 15:44 Because my mother didn't want me. 15:47 Does that means she didn't want me, me? 15:49 No, they couldn't afford anymore children 15:52 and she was in such denial 15:54 and then she couldn't take care of me in their early years. 15:57 My sister couldn't take care of me 15:58 and it was on and on and on, 16:00 so I built up a tremendous resentment 16:03 toward women in an intimate relationship. 16:06 I have to interject this thought. 16:08 My mother gave me some good advice. 16:10 She said, "Marry a man 16:12 who's got a good relationship with his mother." 16:14 And I did and it really does show. 16:16 I know that there's something in there because-- 16:19 I am glad you said the word good. Yes. 16:21 Because there can be too good of a relationship 16:24 with mother then the wife suffers. 16:27 I agree there too but that's not a good relationship. 16:29 No, it isn't. 16:31 I mean, you go over in a way. 16:35 And with that kind of background, 16:37 I mean, she just drove me crazy 16:39 every time I turned around. 16:41 That wasn't her that was doing it. 16:42 But that was your moment of epiphany, 16:43 when you shook your hand out and realized, 16:45 hey, there's something that I chose to do here. 16:47 But what are some practical steps, 16:49 you know, once you recognize and you are on the right road, 16:52 you said you are doing new techniques, 16:53 but how do you make that turnaround 16:55 because there's people out here who are saying, 16:57 "Yeah, I would like to be spending time with the Lord, 16:59 I would like to be doing the right things, but I just-- 17:01 You have to seek help. Okay. 17:03 You have to seek help. 17:05 The good book says there is wisdom 17:08 in the counsel of many and that's why-- 17:14 oh my, many years ago, now 15 years ago, 17:17 Ron and I wrote the first program of recovery. 17:20 How do you do it? Here's the process. 17:23 You start here and it ends up recovery. 17:27 People tell us, I am nothing like I was. 17:31 Praise God. 17:33 Someone here this morning at the office said to me, 17:36 went to one of your seminars, quite a few years ago now. 17:41 And then I came to you and I asked you a question, 17:45 you gave me a couple of little pointers 17:47 and it began my turnaround, 17:50 my whole life turned right around 17:53 because I was determined 17:57 that I would have a good relationship with my partner, 18:02 with my children, and with my God. 18:05 If we are teachable, we are flexible. 18:06 But we have to say we need the help and go get it. 18:11 So that's why Ron and I wrote the program 18:14 called 'Binding the Wounds' 18:16 and the program called 'The Journey.' 18:18 And, you know, I am going to agree with you. 18:20 I believe that people need help. 18:22 I believe that they need good counseling. 18:24 For myself, I didn't go that route 18:26 in seeking outside counseling. 18:29 I just got into the Word and I wanted to know. 18:34 God just woke me up one day, 18:35 I think it was 2 Corinthians 1:20 18:37 that all of His promises remind 18:40 and I realized I wasn't living in them. 18:42 That happens for some. And not for all. 18:46 Actually, for very few 18:49 because the human heart needs to know its being heard 18:54 and many people need to speak their truth 18:59 and speak their story and know that someone, 19:04 other than the God that they can't see is hearing them 19:10 and accepting what they say at face value. 19:15 And that key point too we talked about. 19:18 In a previous program, we actually talked about 19:21 when you get to that point of recognition, you know, 19:25 my people die for lack of knowledge. 19:27 Recognition of what's going on? 19:29 You mentioned the idea of writing out a letter 19:33 and say if it was your father that had wounded you so badly, 19:37 but now for you, you didn't go that route. 19:39 You went directly to your mother and talked with her. 19:42 Yeah, primarily because I have great difficulty with writing. 19:45 Okay. Hand writing things out. 19:47 How did that go that when you went to-- 19:49 I mean, certainly what the Bible says 19:52 if you have got odd with any brother-- That's right. 19:54 That's what we miss in the church 19:55 and we miss in humanity period. 19:58 You got and odd with your brother, 19:59 you got a need to go him. 20:01 And it ought being if you-- 20:02 Resentment, bitterness, anger, malice 20:04 Or if you know that your-- 20:06 somebody else got a resentment toward you, 20:09 you had to go to both directions. 20:11 I went to my mother and one evening I told Nancy, 20:14 I just-- I want to talk to mom for a minute 20:16 and I said, "Ma, are you feeling all right? 20:17 Yeah, you feel good. Tired, no. 20:20 And neither do I. 20:22 I would like to talk to you a couple of minutes." 20:23 And she said, "Is that all right? Yeah. 20:24 And she says, "I am going to bed." 20:26 I knew what was coming up. 20:27 And I didn't fear I belonged there, 20:29 that was between him and his mom. 20:31 And when I went is a history lesson. 20:33 I wasn't out to get you know, skeletons in the closet. 20:37 Or to accuse and blame. 20:38 Or to accuse and blame 20:40 because it's not about accusing and blaming. 20:41 No. It's understanding. 20:43 And I said, when I was around three, 20:44 there's a little farthest back that I can remember. 20:47 We used to live in a house there was a train going by 20:49 about 50 feet from the house. 20:51 Then she smiles says, "No, about 150 yards." 20:54 But with three-year-old we have, 20:56 worked conceptions and perceptions. 20:59 And I said, "Oh, so I asked her for few things about that 21:02 and the fire that happened in that house. 21:04 Then I went to another little thing that, 21:06 you know, that I remember. 21:07 Then I came to the big one. 21:09 The first one that I resented to her desperately about, 21:12 you remember, when I won that rabbit that time, 21:15 you know, I brought it home 21:17 and I built this little cage for it. Yeah. 21:19 I told you to watch it because I was going 21:21 to spend overnight at my friend's house. Yeah. 21:24 And I came home and that rabbit was dead. 21:27 She says, "Yeah." And I went quiet. 21:33 And I was trying to pick the right words. 21:35 I said, "I have hated you all my life for that, 21:39 can you forgive me?" 21:44 Did I accuse her? No. 21:47 She says, "Well, sure I forgive you. 21:49 Can, I remember-- 21:52 Something remember I went out there with you 21:53 and turned the rabbit over 21:55 and there was two red marks on his throat. 21:58 I said a weasel got in there and killed it?" 22:00 "Yeah." It all came back to me. 22:04 So you didn't sit with your mother all your life. 22:07 Oh, I hated her for it. Oh, mercy. 22:09 And she didn't even know it. And she didn't even know it. 22:12 This is a good application of the Bible scripture, 22:15 if you got something against brother go talk to him 22:17 because as you said it's not just when you are child 22:20 but when you are child things get warped. 22:22 See, I could, I could-- And you know what-- 22:24 I have to interject here, honey, 22:25 it's not just that one incident with the rabbit. No, no. 22:29 When a child has several incidents, 22:34 instances that occur, 22:35 repeated instances of the same kind. 22:39 Distrust which happened in birth. 22:42 The distrust sets in and in Ron's case he had a cat. 22:48 The cat, notoriously, 22:51 like most cats do became pregnant 22:54 and delivered 12 kittens. 22:56 One day his parents give him a quarter, 22:58 sent him to the movie, he came home 23:00 and the cat had been drowned with the all 12 of her kittens. 23:04 He had a Labrador retriever. 23:06 The Labrador retriever bit down on a hot electrical cord 23:11 and it did something to the lab's brain. Mentally. 23:15 So that the lab only would allow Ron anywhere near 23:19 and everybody else he wanted to bite and keep away. 23:23 So they gave him a quarter, sent him to the movies 23:26 and when he came home the black lab was gone. 23:29 So you see several of these instances taught him-- 23:34 you can't trust a woman, 23:35 she will take the thing 23:37 that is nearest and dearest to your heart and do it in. 23:40 And so I went through the whole process of all that 23:42 never accusing her of anything, 23:44 taking the responsibility for the feelings I had toward her. 23:48 You took responsibilities. I took responsibility. 23:51 So it opened her up to confess back if she wanted to. Okay. 23:55 It was about me releasing my pain 23:58 and the feelings that I had toward her, 24:00 not to accuse her of anything. 24:02 And you see that's the same way 24:04 if you do it with the handwriting, 24:06 you are not accusing. 24:08 You are talking about how you felt 24:11 when these things happened 24:13 and as a result my behaviors have been, 24:18 and you list them. Okay. 24:20 So there's this turning point 24:23 and that turned out well with your mom. 24:25 Very well, as a matter of fact what the side effect was that, 24:28 was that I, two months later, 24:30 because after I cleaned it up with my mother 24:32 I found that I was treating my daughter differently. 24:35 The young girl that reminded me of my mother, 24:39 I was keeping her at a distance. 24:41 Really. And I didn't even know it. 24:44 So now I got some work to do with my daughter-- 24:45 When you keep saying that this is what I love about you, 24:48 is I am learning something here 24:50 because you would think that when you said that 24:53 how controlling you were in your early marriage 24:55 and then when you were listing all these things 24:57 and talking to me about then you said, 24:59 "But I didn't even know it." 25:01 Right now you are talking about, 25:02 you keeping your daughter at distance, 25:04 but you didn't even know it. 25:06 Until they did, you see 25:07 and that's the Lord's job, He reveals that. 25:09 That's it. That's right. 25:10 He said, "He will lead us in the paths of right being, 25:12 righteousness for His namesake." Right. 25:17 "If you acknowledge Him in all your ways." 25:19 Absolutely. Absolutely. 25:21 Okay, so once you have made the turnaround 25:24 and as we are saying if you have to go get help-- 25:26 we have only got like a minute and half. 25:29 Tell me some of the new techniques 25:31 when you are on this new road to recovery. 25:34 Well, I want to tell you 25:36 one of the side effects for sure. Okay. 25:38 People start noticing your changes. 25:41 All right. Big-time. 25:43 And our changes then become a blessing 25:48 to other people who are hurting. 25:51 They see, wow, you must be doing something. 25:55 What are you doing because you're becoming quite different? 26:00 And so our healing, our recovery 26:04 becomes impetus for them to do the same. 26:08 You are sharing that experience. Now, yes. 26:10 And now we are becoming "Ministers," 26:13 we are ministering to others without ever preaching a word. 26:18 2 Corinthians 3:3, isn't it? 26:19 That you're a letter written on the heart." 26:21 Exactly. Absolutely. 26:22 As well as they will see your good works. Yeah. 26:26 And so you then are able to share with them. 26:29 Well, I have been doing some real in depth looking at me 26:35 and I have been counting on God to heal a lot of wounds I had. 26:42 And I like what you said about owning 26:45 your own thoughts about this 26:48 and instead of reacting to someone else 26:51 you are acting upon this. 26:52 It's like this is what I did, you know, 26:54 here's how I felt rejected, this is how I felt, 26:57 you know, anger, bitterness toward you. Right. 26:59 Forgive me, you are owning that-- 27:01 Exactly. Okay. 27:03 So instead of blaming others you are owning your part. 27:06 That's good. Your responsibility. 27:08 And in giving it up to Him to take with. Amen. 27:10 I just took a peek at the clock, it's all gone. 27:12 Oh. Again. 27:14 Thank you all so much for coming. 27:16 We really do appreciate both of you 27:17 and the ministry that you. 27:19 Do remind folks to click the button. 27:21 Yes, their website is www.yourlri.com. 27:29 That's www.yourlri.com 27:34 and there's a button on there for 3ABN viewers, 27:36 you can just push on that button 27:38 and download all the information 27:40 that we have been discussing in this series with the Rockeys. 27:43 We want to thank you so much for joining us 27:45 and hope that you have learned something 27:48 that you can really put into practice from this series. 27:51 And right now we just want God 27:53 to bless you abundantly and enjoy His blessings. |
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