Hello, I'm Shelley
Quinn and welcome again to
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Issues and Answers. You
know, I just want to share
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something with you. There's
someone out there and you've
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been told that you were
a mistake, that you were an
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accident. And did you know you
weren't an accident. God knows
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you intimately. He knew you
as you were being formed in the
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womb. He knew you. The Bible
says that the very number of
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hairs on your head are numbered,
that he knows your thoughts from
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afar off and he says that he has
inscribed on the palms of his
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hands and that he will never
forget you. Today we have a
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fascinating program because
we've got some fascinating
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guests who are family and life
educators and what we're going
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to be talking about is
the importance of our early
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experiences; the experience
of the fetus in the womb and the
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first seven years. So let
me introduce to you our very
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special guests. Please help
me welcome Ron and Nancy Rockey.
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Good to be here. It is
so good to have both of
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you here. Now you are the
founders for, tell me the name
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of this again.
Life Renewal Institute.
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Life Renewal Institute. I had
that before we started; for the
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minute it slipped my mind. Let
me ask you, we'll start with you
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Nancy, tell me a little
bit about your educational
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background so that we can help
explain to the people why you're
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in this business that you're in.
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Okay. Well childhood set me up
to become a nurse. It also set
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me up to be very interested
in the human mind. So even in my
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nursing career, psychiatric
nursing was my favorite. Our
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marriage set us up
to have many issues.
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That's because she had a
lot of problems we had to fix.
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Yeah, one big one. So after
about 12 years of a nightmare
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of a marriage Ron decided
the marriage is going to end in
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divorce and I won't be able
to be a minister anymore so I'll
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go back to school and get
another degree and he went back
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for a masters in family therapy
figuring. How interesting.
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Well if you can't fix your
own maybe you can fix everybody
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else's. So after his first
class he came home and literally
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dragged me to the next class.
So we were both enrolled and we
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graduated a semester apart
because he started before I did.
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So we have a masters in family
therapy. And several years later
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we decided we wanted to continue
and so we did and then received
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our doctorates in counseling
psychology. So we both have
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those two degrees in
common, our graduate degrees.
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Okay, but then Ron you also have
a degree in religious sciences?
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No I got a
bachelor's degree in theology.
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In theology and you
pastored for 20 years.
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Twenty years, yeah.
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Now tell us what is
Life Renewal Institute?
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Life Renewal Institute is an
organization of people who are
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concerned about people. People
hurt everywhere, in the church,
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out of the church, it makes no
difference. Because Satan has an
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agenda. The agenda is to destroy
us. So Life Renewal Institute
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gives people good information
about their beginnings and what
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set us up to hurt and to have
issues and then we offer the
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tools to recover. And please
understand that all recovery
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that sanctification process
is through the power of God.
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Not something we do on our own.
God is always the power but he
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tells us we have work
to do; we must examine.
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He says so, that my people die
for lack of knowledge and the
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irony of it is a lot of people
have thought that that text
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meant my people die for lack
of doctrine, but that's not what
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the word is saying and that's
in Hosea 4:6. Hosea 1, 2, 3, 4
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and 5 say they don't know
me, there's no love in the land,
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there's adultery going on, there
is all kinds of garbage going on
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He's got a whole long list
of things that are going wrong
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and they're going wrong because
they don't have the right
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knowledge, the right
understanding of why they're
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doing what they're doing.
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You know something, the Bible
says the heart is deceitful
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above all things. We cannot
know our own heart, not like God
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knows it. But if we don't grow
up feeling that we have value
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and worth to someone then we
have a hard time. If we feel so
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void of this we
really have nothing to give.
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That's pretty much where Nancy
and I are coming from. We not
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only have the degrees but we
also have the major dysfunction
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of our beginnings.
Nothing like experience, huh?
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That's one of the things
that bothered me an awful lot.
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We would go to a psychologist
for help and I was the nut case
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in our relationship. But
they would say, I wish I was as
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healthy as you are Ron. Why
don't you go home. Bring your
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wife back next time, she's
the one who needs some help,
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because I was a
phenomenal con man.
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Now you were a
pastor at this time?
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And I was a pastor at this time.
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This proves a point though.
Not everyone who's a pastor has
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been called to that pastoral
position as much as sometimes
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people choose it as a career.
But we have to remember that
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no matter whether you're called
or it's a career that the person
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that is standing in the pulpit
is not perfect. He is also a
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sinner saved by grace that God's
working in the sanctification
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process. And God
will still use them no
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matter what their beginnings
are or how messed up they are.
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God still uses them because
it's not the messenger, it's the
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message.
Absolutely. Now you had a
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dysfunctional
upbringing. Very much so.
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And so that's what
your foundation was.
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Absolutely because my mother
didn't want any more children,
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my dad didn't want any more
children. They were very, very
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poor. So all of a sudden after
eight years my mother finds
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herself pregnant with me and she
says wait a minute, I can't be
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pregnant because we can't have
any more kids. So she went into
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total denial; so much denial
that I wasn't born until the
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end of the 10th month of her
pregnancy. So what does that say
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about me wanting to come
out because it's the child who
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throws out a hormone that
creates the activity to create
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the birth. So I'm saying,
I don't want to come out.
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It could also be that
you were undernourished.
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Oh not undernourished because
I came out at 10-1/2 pounds.
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And believe it or not was born
up in the attic and that very
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difficult delivery sent
his mother to the hospital with
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major complications. So much so
that it was predicted she would
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not live. She did live
and then daddy took her away
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with him. It was during the war
and he was working aboard ship
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putting in heating and air
conditioning. And he took mother
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away. So Ron was raised, cared
for, and I use the word loosely,
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by his nine-year-old sister.
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About four or five years ago
it just hit me. I said, wait a
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minute, who took care of me when
you went to school? And I found
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out the rest of the story, that
there was a nanny that came in,
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a 16-year-old girl who took care
of me while she was in school.
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Then she would leave and
my sister would come home. She
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would go to school and the
nanny would come in. My mother
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would come home periodically.
And the reason for all this
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confusion is that in the first
year of life we learn 50% of
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what we need for life with
feelings only. And what did I
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learn? Never trust a woman
because she's going to leave.
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Not a knowledge but a feeling
that something is wrong. So when
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we got married where was
my greatest fear feeling-wise?
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Fear that you were going
to be abandoned by your wife.
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So I set it up where I put
a pay phone in the parsonage,
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to control her outgoing calls,
we lived out in the boon docks
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so she couldn't walk anywhere
and the car never worked when I
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left the house. So you
were just a total control
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control freak, if
I may use that word.
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Just a little bit. But
now this is what brought you
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into what we're talking about
today. I mean, as you came into
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this you all have done a
lot of research to find out how
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important, even in the womb...
I mean, modern day science and
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you've been quoting me
statistics from the National
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Institute of Health, is proving
that it is critical, I mean that
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the fetus is actually responding
to the mother's feelings, to
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what's going on and with the
mother's thought processes even.
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That's surprising me.
Well what's so amazing is that
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we now know that at the fourth
month of pregnancy the baby
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begins to feel mother's feelings
and interprets them as it's
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own. So you have a pregnant
woman who doesn't want a child.
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So what does the
child say? I'm not wanted.
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We're not saying that the brain
is so fully developed that they
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fully understand all this but
there is this transference of
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feeling that we can't really
explain. It's more not head
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knowledge but heart knowledge.
The child is getting heart
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knowledge. It goes
to the cells of the body
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is what happens. It is totally
amazing and it's the work of
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Dr. Thomas Verny who for
his entire career has studied
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prenatal influence. And it
only goes along with words of
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inspiration which tell us
that during the pregnancy the
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relationship between the husband
and the wife is extremely
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impactful to that child and
according to Verny's research
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he says it is the greatest
impact on a child's physical,
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emotional and spiritual life for
the rest of the child's life and
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what's so impactful is the
relationship between the birth
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mother and the man who
impregnated her during the
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pregnancy. Let me
show you in a real-life
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example about how that works.
Nancy was pregnant with our
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second child and just before she
got pregnant the doctor said she
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had to get pregnant immediately.
Otherwise, forget the whole
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thing. It was quite a
complication in her body.
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And I said, we don't need
another child. We've got one.
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In the doctor's office she
said to me, I would rather die
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having our second child than to
have our child raised alone like
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I was. Well now you have to
understand with my rejection
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issues from the early feelings
of my beginnings so in reality
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then my head interpreted she
only wanted me to have children.
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See rejected individuals
think it's all about them.
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And fear of abandonment and that
fear of rejection are just like
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sloop. Kindred spirits
and they are overpowering.
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And so what I did was well when
she was seven months pregnant
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and she was starting to get sick
and there were some questions
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as to what was going on in
her body if she was going to die
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or not die from the pregnancy,
I said, well since she's got her
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first child, she's got her
second child, she doesn't need
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me anymore so since, now
watch this, since she's going to
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cut me off, I'll
cut her off first.
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Okay so you're putting
up that wall of defense.
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So I left her. I got on an
airplane, got a passport, visa
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and I left her.
Bang! I was gone.
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This was before the baby
was born? How messed up is your
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second child then.
We're going to talk about that
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in a second. Watch what happens.
She is seven months pregnant.
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I'm in Canada and ready to leave
and go to Europe. I'm going to
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start my whole life all over
again. I had the ability to just
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cut, wall off anything, just
disconnect. I called her up and
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said, I said I at least ought
to say goodbye. So I called her
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up and said
goodbye. She says where
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are you. And I said, I'm in
Canada. And she says ohhh you're
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in Canada. Well I'd been gone
for 12 hours from the house.
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And she's acting like this!
She says, what are you doing in
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Canada. I'm on my way to Europe.
Ohhh. When you coming home?
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That blew me so far out of the
water that she really wanted me
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home after abandoning her!
I said, I'll be home in the
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morning. Now here's the
key. Many years later when our
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daughter is in her early 30s
we're sitting around with her
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husband, the four of us at 1:30
at night and I said girl I want
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you to be honest with me. You
know daddy can take whatever you
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want to throw at him. What is
it like every day, what is the
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greatest fear you have in
your life? She said every day my
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husband goes out the door. I
said what is that? I'm afraid
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he's not going to come home.
She has no reason. They guy is
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committed to her. But the
feeling from the womb is that
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he's going to leave her.
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I don't want anybody out here to
think this is woo woo, but I've
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heard and I've read some
scientific studies that talk
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about within our own body
that negative thoughts make
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impressions on our cells
and I think they said negative
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thoughts make twice the
impression of the positive
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thoughts. Basically what you're
saying is somehow there is this
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transference and there's
actually almost an impression
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that is made... It's a
feeling that something is
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wrong here.
Actually it's a little more
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detailed. When a pregnant woman
is stressed or any person is
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stressed, the adrenal glands
put out stress hormones. One of
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those hormones is called
cortisol and cortisol in higher
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amounts than normal create in
the child in the womb abnormal
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connections between the neurons
in the brain so my stress at his
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leaving, he left at 7 o'clock in
the morning, my phone call came
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at nearly midnight. So he's
gone a long time. In my heart of
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hearts I knew he'd gone.
Was there a fight? No. But women
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have a sixth sense, especially
sensitive women, and I knew
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and I was pacing the floor
with a one year old on my hip,
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weeping, praying and afraid
to call anyone because he was a
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senior theology student.
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They never knew that, the kids
never knew that until they were
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21 that I left their mother.
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And yet that child got my
high level of cortisol so the
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abnormal connection in her brain
is men abandon just like the
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message Ron got,
women will abandon you.
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So it's like brain
mapping. It is, exactly right.
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That's what it is, it's
brain mapping. That's very
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interesting. You know there's
some people out here who I just
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know you're watching and you
think, man I know, my mother's
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told me what it was like when
she was pregnant and maybe I can
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even see some of this. But
what's the way out? I mean when
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we've got the enemy attacking
because when you said that it's
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Satan's agenda. You know I
believe the reason he attacks
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families is because his agenda
is to ruin the church and the
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family is the nucleus that makes
up the church; it's all a bunch
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of families. So he's going
to attack the families, try to
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destroy that. You know, children
and the procreation which he
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cannot do he's attacking through
abortion and everything else.
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So he's trying to bring us down.
For someone out there, maybe
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there's a pregnant mother right
now who is saying, man I'm in
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stress and you're telling me
that I am passing this on to my
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child. I'm marking my child.
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One thing we want to get clear.
Nobody goes through this life
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without being marked because
we're living in a sin-filled
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world. That's number one.
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And why would Satan leave anyone
without bugging them somehow?
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That's number one. And number
two and I agree with what Nancy
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has said right there. If
some people say I've come from a
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perfect family, we have no
problems in our family and I'm
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asking one question, why does
Satan leave you alone? That's
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number one. The
only way he'll leave you
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alone is if you're in his camp.
Then he just pretends to leave
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you alone for a little while.
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Then the third thing is we've
got to keep remembering that if
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we're teachable, we're fixable.
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That's one beautiful thing about
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the mind and the body. It is
regenerative, it is plastic, it
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can be recreated. That's why
Christ said that I've come to
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give you a new heart and a
new mind. And the problem is the
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Christian church and psychology
is giving new behaviors and it's
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not working. It
has to be that total
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transformation.
Absolutely. There's a statement
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Time magazine October 21, 1991.
You know what that is by heart.
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And it's amazing that it was
in a magazine like Time, but the
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statement says I believe there
is a devil. And here is Satan's
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agenda. First he
doesn't want anyone having kids.
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Why? Because he can't create.
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And if they are not killed
through abortion then he wants
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them wounded physically,
sexually, emotionally. One way
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or another the legions of hell
want to destroy children because
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children become future adults
who will pass on their junk to
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another generation. So the sins
of the fathers are passed from
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generation to generation.
Not because that's God's agenda,
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but because that's the
way human beings are created.
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It's in our DNA.
What we observe we become.
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And in our first two years
of life and those very impactful
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nine months in the womb, what
we observe, what we feel, what
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we experience becomes
our foundation for our life.
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But we're not stuck there. We're
not sentenced to that. We can
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overcome that by God's grace.
But doing it through denial is
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not going to do it. You
have to face those issues.
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Eighty to 90% of our
diseases are emotionally fueled.
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I believe that. As a
matter of fact there's a
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quote on that. This
is true and you know it's
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so amazing. It comes out
from Dr. Hans Eysenck from the
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University of London who studied
mind/body connection for years
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and years and has made that
statement and the statement is
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that there are several diseases
such as cancer, high blood
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pressure, coronary heart disease
and diabetes which are strongly
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emotionally fueled.
Well and again you're back to
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the adrenalin, the cortisol,
all those hormonal releases.
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You know, it's interesting
because I'm sitting here and my
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mind's... I've got a thousand
questions I want to ask you and
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the time is getting so short.
But the things that go on within
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our own body and affect
our organs and affect our heart
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and our pulse rate and every
thing else and we understand and
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usually we take responsibility
for it that we're generating
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those thoughts or we're reacting
but perhaps what you're saying,
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if I'm taking this right, some
of our self-destructive behavior
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came from brain mapping when
we were in the womb and when we
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were small children, something
dramatic that happened.
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Or not even dramatic. Do
you know science tells us that
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something as simple as a forceps
delivery can create feelings of
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rejection and anger in the child
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You know what, I have to tell
you my mother said that when my
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daddy first saw me he said bless
your little heart, you little
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cone head, your mine and I love
you. I was a forceps delivery.
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She said my poor little head was
just nearly squished so I ought
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to have a lot of
anger but I don't.
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You were a forceps delivery
because you were a long time in
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the birth canal. That's how
your head got molded, not from
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the forceps and the forceps
was designed as a life saving
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measure to get you out of that
tight space in the birth canal.
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So sometimes they have to
be used. Unfortunately the OB
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nurse in me and, been there,
done that, for a long time says
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we use them not judiciously
for many years. And for many
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years mothers were given
medication that knocked them out
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during those early hours that
should have been mother and baby
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bonding. Now we
were talking about
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traumatic and not so traumatic.
You mentioned something before
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the program that I wanted to
be sure that you said because I
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thought this was incredible and
that was the NIH report that a
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pregnant mother having
a thought about smoking a
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cigarette. Tell us what
affect that has on the baby.
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Studies have shown that women
who smoke and are pregnant when
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they think about lighting a
cigarette, they haven't pulled
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it out of their purse, haven't
even taken out the lighter or
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the match, they just think, I
think I'll have a cigarette. The
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baby's heart beat accelerates
at quite a high percentage just
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at the thought. Why? Because
that child knows cigarette means
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I'm not going to get as
much oxygen and that's stress.
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See because I've heard the
studies before how the fetus
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reacts to the smoking and the
heart rate increases, but it is
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amazing to me that the mother's
thought is affecting the child
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as if she were actually having
the cigarette. That's what's
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amazing. And
science has proven beyond
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a shadow of a doubt from
the fourth month on that the
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mother's thoughts become the
filter for the child's thinking
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from the fourth
month of pregnancy on.
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We've only got a couple of
minutes here and it just going
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way too fast. But you are going
to come back. We're going to
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talk about how this sets us up
for the road to self-destruction
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sometimes, some of these
self-destructive behaviors.
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But there's a way out. So let's
just end this on a very upbeat
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note to let people know
they don't have stay like this
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because we have a God who
is a God of new beginnings.
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Absolutely. This is true.
And you know Satan may have an
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agenda to destroy, but God says
I have a plan for you to give
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you a future and
to give you hope.
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And that word hope
is not wishful thinking.
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It's eager expectation.
It is eager expectation.
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I teach that too. The word hope
in the Greek is so beautiful.
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When you understand where Nancy
and I have come from to have a
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life that is worth living and
a heavenly marriage it's another
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world. You know,
I too came from an
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incredibly dysfunctional family
and just really had a little bit
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of a, I guess you could say
I was almost commitment phobic
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because of that. I was engaged
eight times before my husband.
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Oh my. I was a little bit of
a commitment phobic, but once I
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made that commitment to
him and our marriage and our
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relationship began to blossom,
you know I've had such a
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wonderful life and I'm so
blessed and the Lord absolutely
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cut me free from anything that
was trying to bind me, any of
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those thoughts. He has
come that our joy may be
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overflowing. And I'm saying to
myself, if that's the case why
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is joy so limited in so many
Christians' lives yet anyone
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else's. It's because we're not
living his life, we're living
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ours. Our time is
all gone so I'm just
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going to say thank you for being
here, Nancy, can't wait for you
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come back and Ron. Thank you
so much. You're both fascinating
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people, full of knowledge.
But I just want to share with
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you when we were talking about
why don't we have the joy, you
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know what I think it is. I
think it's because we don't
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feel lovable, we don't feel
worthy, we don't feel valuable
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and if you could just find out,
if you had even an inkling of
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how much God loves you. He
says I have loved you with an
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everlasting love and therefore
with loving kindness I am
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drawing you. And as Nancy
quoted from Jeremiah 29 and
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verses 11 and 12, He said I've
got a plan for your life. I add
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this, it's better than the
one you're living. My plan is to
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prosper you, to give you a hope.
Eager expectation and a future.
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So I want to encourage you that
God does have a plan for your
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life and if you could come and
get to know who he is and who
00:27:26.20\00:27:30.96
you become in him, it's life
changing. There's transforming
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power in his love, there's
transforming power of the Holy
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Spirit and of his Word. So
please join us next time because
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we're going to be talking about
some of these self-destructive
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behaviors and God's way out
because he is the God of new
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beginnings. May the
grace of our Lord Jesus
00:27:50.01\00:27:52.89
Christ, the love of the Father
and the fellowship of the Holy
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Spirit be with you always.
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