Hello, I'm Shelley
Quinn and welcome again to
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Issues and Answers. We're
glad that you've tuned in.
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Let me share something. If you
are a sad or anxious person or
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if you know someone who may
be a sad or anxious person then
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you're going to be glad that you
tuned in today. Tell somebody
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else to tune as well.
That's what our topic is today.
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Let me share with you one of
my favorite Bible verses and it
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comes from Romans 15:13. You
talk about hope for sad, anxious
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people, here it is. The Bible
says: May the God of hope so
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fill you with all joy and peace
in believing that by the power
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of the Holy Spirit you may be
overflowing, bubbling over, with
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hope. And you know what,
in the Greek hope means eager
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expectation. You can go to God
eagerly expecting him to fulfill
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his promises to you.
We want to welcome again
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Jennifer Schwirzer and Jennifer
comes to us from Philadelphia.
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She is a Christian counselor,
a song writer, ministry director
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and we're just so glad
that you're back with us.
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It's great to be here.
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These programs have been so
good that you've been coming and
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doing and we
really appreciate them.
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I've been the most blessed.
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Well, you're a very wonderful
person. Let's just jump into
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this. We're going to be talking
about cognitive behavioral
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therapy today and I know
you know Dr. Neal Nedley and
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Dr. Nedley believes in this.
There are so many people that
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are springing up everywhere I
look they talk about cognitive
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behavioral therapy. First of all
explain to me what that means.
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Okay well it is kind of the
cutting edge of treatment for
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anxiety disorders. It's most
effective with anxiety disorders
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and mood disorders and this is
a very serious problem just even
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in the United States of America
we have a lot of anxiety and a
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lot of mood disorders so...
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I guess depression would
be considered a mood disorder.
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It's a mood disorder. The mood
disorders are depression, major
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depressive disorder, bipolar
disorder and something called
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dysthymic disorder which is
actually kind of a mild form of
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depression. What they call the
12-month prevalence rate which
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means in one year's time
20 million people will have a
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diagnosis of one of those
disorders. That's a lot of
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people. Just in
the United States?
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Just in the United States.
Major depressive disorder is the
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leading cause of disability in
the U.S. today. That's a lot of
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sad people. But there are even
more anxious people because in
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one year's time 40 million,
double the amount as mood
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disorders, 40 million will
develop an anxiety disorder.
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Let me just give you what some
of those are: Panic disorder,
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obsessive/compulsive disorder
which is considered an anxiety
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disorder, post-traumatic stress
disorder, generalized anxiety
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disorder, social phobia
which is the most common, and
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agoraphobia which is the fear
of crowds and specific phobias.
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So all of those are considered
anxiety disorders. Forty million
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people in one year's time will
develop an anxiety disorder.
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Okay when we're talking about
these mood disorders and anxiety
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disorders and for our
international viewers we
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understand that we are giving
quotes and statistics from the
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United States, but I know the
Scandinavian countries really
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have some very difficult times
with depressive disorders but
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we know it is a very prevalent
problem. That's just what we're
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trying to establish. So it
is becoming even more so. I mean
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I know that I've seen the
statistics with how things are
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coming with
anxiety and mood disorders.
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Well for instance, social phobia
which is the most common kind
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of anxiety disorder... It's
estimated that 50% of people
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are chronically shy, this is
the U.S. again, but that's a 10%
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increase over the last three
decades. So there's an increase
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in social phobia. And it's
thought that the reason for that
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is that our society is becoming
increasingly isolative, there's
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more loneliness, there's more
isolation and there's a more
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competitive atmosphere in
society so those things kind of
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breed these disorders.
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So when you're talking about
this chronic shyness what you're
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saying is we have this tendency
nowadays to cocoon ourselves.
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We've got the internet there
and all these things. I know one
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lady that hasn't been out of
her home for several months. She
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orders her groceries by internet
everything's done online.
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And it's not good. Yeah I used
to go to my neighbor to find out
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how to make leaf mulch or how
to bake a certain kind of cake.
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But now I just go online and get
the recipe. It's so easy to get
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information and I'm and
information junkie. I love it.
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But I can see where it doesn't
push me into certain social
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situations and I can end
up living my life in a form of
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isolation that is not healthy.
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So now let's go back to you said
cognitive behavior therapy was
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the most popular way to
treat these disorders. What is
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cognitive behavior therapy?
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Okay. Cognitive therapy rests on
the basic concept that cognitive
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processing is what
causes these disorders.
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All right. So now
describe cognitive processing.
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You have negative life events
and then negative emotions that
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come out of negative life events
and you might assume that there
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is a direct line from the
negative life event to the
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negative emotion. However, the
CBT theory has said no there's
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something mediating between
the negative life event and the
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negative emotion and
that is what we call cognitive
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processing or the way that you
think about an event. And if the
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processing is negatively biased
or distorted in some way often
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times the bad feelings will
sustain much longer than they
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normally would because of the
way the person is thinking about
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it or they would be more
intense than they need to be
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because of the way the person
is thinking about it. So that's
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what I mean by cognitive
processing and what the CBT
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theorists have discovered...
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CBT being
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.
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I'm like running down the road
with this thing. But what these
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researchers have found is that
people that are depressed and
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anxious suffer from these
disorders are negatively biased
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and they do tend to think of
things in very negative ways.
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So what they do is they go
in and try to correct those
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negative thoughts. So
what you're saying is that...
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Let's say that we have five
people attending a group event.
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Something happens at this group
event. All five people could
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experience the same thing
but they're going to process,
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cognitively they will process
this in their mind differently.
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And someone might feel like what
happened was a personal affront
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to them and they're taking
it very negatively. There's all
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these various aspects that
has to do with how we think.
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And we really can't control the
events, but we can control how
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we think about them. So what
you do when you use CBT with a
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person is you give them a
sense of empowerment. You know
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something since I've gotten
into counseling is that we were
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created for mastery. You know,
God gave us dominion over the
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fish and the animals. We
were created to be in control of
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things, but because of the fall
we've lost control. However,
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God has still called us to
mastery. The first thing that we
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must master is our self, our own
behaviors and then of course our
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thought life. See now
that makes me think of
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2 Corinthians chapter 10, verses
4 and 5, that we are to take
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every thought
captive and make it obedient.
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Oh, exactly. That was my verse
that I was going to use but
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that's okay. Well
we're on the same page.
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So my experience has been...
We've already discussed how
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I like to do is take Bible
promises, confess them over my
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life, pray them back to the Lord
and my experience has been that
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if I'm trying to take a negative
thought captive, I have to
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replace it with something else.
If I just tell myself you can't
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think about that, or you
shouldn't think this way, I have
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a tendency to think about it
more. But if I'll go to the word
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of God and replace it with
something then it helps me to
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take that thought captive
because suddenly my focus is off
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self and the way I'm thinking
to what the Lord has said.
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So would that be kind of a
form of cognitive behavioral
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therapy? Oh yes.
Definitely. In fact, I
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use a technique called FAR
and I told you that I use these
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mnemonics because their easy
to remember. People can remember
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them in the heat of the moment
when they're about to lose it.
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They can remember this and they
can put it to use. FAR, based on
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the verse, I don't know where it
is, you probably do, This light
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affliction which is but for a
moment works for us a far more
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exceeding and eternal weight
of glory. The Lord has given us
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wonderful coping mechanisms for
the hardships of life and these
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things will someday be far from
us but we can make them as far
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from us, but we can make them
as far as possible from us even
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today by thinking correctly
about them. So FAR is Find,
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Argue and Replace. This is
a very technical approach to
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dealing with one's thought life.
But basically it's thought life
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management. Very technical
approach. Find, first step, find
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People have to find out
what they're thinking. Now it's
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pretty easy, and I find this
in therapy, it's pretty easy to
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figure out what happened that's
upset you. In fact, people
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ruminate on what happened.
They'll talk about it in
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excruciating details sometimes;
just reliving it over and over
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again. They can summon up
tremendous amounts of detail and
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really kind of bring the story
alive and they want to do that
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in therapy and I allow that to
a certain extent. But then what
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I'll do is I'll tell them to
identify the feelings that came
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out of that event and they learn
how to use descriptive words to
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describe their feelings. And
that's usually pretty easy for
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people. Then I try to find out
what they're thinking. I say now
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let's try to find out what it is
that you're thinking about this
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event. And all of a sudden it
gets very difficult. Often times
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they'll say I don't know what
I'm thinking. I'm not thinking
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at all. I'm just feeling
this way. But then I'll start to
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probe and I'll work with them
and like we talked about before
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there's a certain amount
of intuition that you have in
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developing this with the person
but sooner or later we find out
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that they are thinking something
that is distorted in some way.
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Let's say that something
has happened and you're taking
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somebody through this process
and to try to find out what
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they're thinking have you had
someone say I'm just so angry
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and that's what I'm feeling
is anger. And then as they go
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through this process about
these feelings they find out
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it wasn't anger at all. They
were wounded by something and
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so there's a disassociation with
their true feelings so they can
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never really get at the root of
it if they don't understand what
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they're feeling, is
that what your saying?
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That's part of it. Let me give
you a specific example on that
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issue of anger. I had a fellow
come to therapy when I was in
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my internship. This guy was six
foot four, a big booming voice.
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He used to be a law enforcement
official. He was disabled
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because he had some joint
problem. But he was roughly my
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age, just a very large person
and a very kind of energetic
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interesting person but a very,
very sad person and often times
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depressed people have struggles
with anger. So what happened in
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therapy was... Well first of all
the first session he cried the
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entire session. Great big
strapping man, big booming voice
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cried the entire first hour,
just weeping. But anyway we were
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dealing with some of his issues
using the CBT. One of the issues
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was anger. He was angry at a
neighbor for saying something
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insulting about his dog and he
got in the neighbor's face and
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did something kind of aggressive
and then, as is typical, felt
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kind of bad about that afterward
and really kind of ashamed of
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himself for losing
his composure. Okay, so we
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processed this using Find, Argue
and Replace technique. So first
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we had to find out what he was
thinking. Well after talking it
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through for a while he realized
that he was thinking that he had
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to fix that right then and there
That he could not allow that
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person to say something
insulting to him about his dog.
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He just couldn't tolerate that
and he had to make it right then
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and there. So I refuted that
with him. I said, did you really
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have to fix that right then
and there; was that necessary?
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What would be so bad about just
letting it go? Do you have to
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make that person act the way
you think they should act or are
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there times when you can just
let people be obnoxious. And he
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realized, You know what, I don't
have to make people behave the
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way I think that they
should behave. And he started to
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realize that he could have
boundaries and he could let
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people make their own choices
and he could make his choices
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and he did not have to allow
things to bother him. So that's
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just one example of using the
Find, Argue and Replace. So what
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we do is we find the thought and
once you isolate that thought
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then you teach the person how
to argue with themselves. That
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is a really important skill. You
don't argue with someone unless
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you respect them. They have to
have some kind of power over you
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some kind of prominence in your
life, some kind of power in your
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life in order for you to
feel like you need to argue with
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them. You don't argue with kitty
cats and the mailman or little
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children. You argue with people
that threaten you on some level.
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So what you do when you learn
how to argue with yourself is
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you kind of take responsibility
for the management of your own
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thought life. And it's amazing
how people respond to this as
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they learn how to deal with
themselves and hold themselves
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accountable. I do
this all the time.
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Do you really. So I teach them
how to argue with themselves and
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what I do is I give them a sheet
of various types of distorted
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thoughts. And I say now isolate
the thought and then tell
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yourself what's wrong with that
thought. So if the thought is
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something like, you know I had
this bad experience and my whole
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life is just going to be one bad
experience after another. I'll
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say, what is wrong with that
thought that your whole life is
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going to be one bad experience
after another? And they look at
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the list and they say oh
I'm generalizing. I'm taking one
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incident and I'm generalizing
it to the rest of my life. And
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then they learn to argue with
themselves and say look, you're
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generalizing. Don't generalize.
That's not a healthy thing to do
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and it's also not true. So once
they accomplish that arguing,
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then they replace the thought
with a true thought. And this is
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what you were talking about a
minute ago. What I find though
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is that the replacement does not
work unless they first do the
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arguing and it's very easy
to skip over the arguing step.
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Arguing with yourself.
With yourself. What I tell
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people is that their heart and
their mind is like a garden and
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if the ground is hard the seed
will not grow. What they have to
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do is they have to break up the
fallow ground of their thinking
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and that's where that verse
that you quoted comes into play.
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Casting down imaginations
and every high thing that exalts
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itself against the knowledge
of God. 2 Corinthians 10:5. And
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bringing into captivity every
thought to the obedience of
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Christ. You know, casting down.
There's a certain amount of
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force to casting something down.
And imaginations is sometimes
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translated arguments.
It's logismo and it means like
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calculations, these things
we come up with in our heads. We
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need to cast them down. We need
to deal with our own thinking
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and break it up. And once
we learn how to break it up and
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get that ground all nice
and loose and ready for the seed
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then we can replace those
distorted automatic thoughts
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those misbeliefs with truth.
Now truth, I'm really into this,
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I'm sorry. I'm taking over a
little bit. But truth is more
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nuanced and more detailed than
a lie. What I typically run into
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with depressed and anxious
people is they often say things
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like he's an idiot or life sucks
or, you know, they make these
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general comments that apply to
everything and they're just too
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black and white. What I teach
them to do is replace that lie
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with the truth, which is much
more detailed and nuanced. So
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he's not an idiot. It's
like taking the diamond in
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the jeweler's hand. The truth
has all these different facets
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that you can see. The truth
sparkles; it's not just... It's
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detailed. It's
multifaceted. So what they
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do is they replace that he's
an idiot. They don't go to the
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other extreme of he's a
wonderful guy, because the
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reason that a lie has power is
because it's partly true. So I
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teach them to take the
truth about the he's an idiot
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statement and not to exclude
that because if they don't
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replace that lie with the
truth then it won't have staying
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power. If they replace that
lie with another positivized lie
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it's not going to stay with them
So I teach them how to say well
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he has some challenging
character traits and sometimes
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I feel very offended by things
he says, but he does have some
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really good qualities too. And
I choose to see him through the
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eyes of love because God sees me
through the eyes of love. And so
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I choose to regard him
as a brother in Christ.
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That's good. So I
replace the misbelief with
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the truth. That's
really good. You know
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you're talking about plowing
up your heart. In Hosea 10:12, I
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love that scripture that Hosea
says: I may not be able to quote
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it but anyway he says sow for
yourselves righteousness. Plow
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up your fallow ground, untilled
ground and then seek the Lord
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till he rains righteousness
on you. And I was just thinking
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that when you're talking about
this cognitive behavior, that's
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what you're doing with the FAR.
You're looking at this fallow
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ground of yours, this hardened
ground and you have to break it
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up and say okay what am I really
feeling and thinking here. Now
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the Argue, some people have
a difficult time with the word
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argue but it's reasoning with
yourself. It's coming with that
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positive reasoning, the argument
with yourself. You know, I find
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myself doing this all the
time. Especially, we've got to
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remember that the devil can
plant thoughts in our mind as
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well. He tries to pass off this
condemnation. Sometimes if I
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feel like... if I'm really tired
and I've been overworked and
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I'll think oh Lord I'm
just failing you here and I hear
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these generalized statements
coming out and then I realize
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am I relying on works or
am I relying on grace. I start
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arguing with myself and thinking
that thought's not coming from
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the Lord. I'm not failing
the Lord and I have this little
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running conversation that goes
on. So then to replace it...
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That's really healthy. You don't
even have to go to therapy.
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You just figured out
how to do it on your own.
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I've just always done this. Well
not always. Since I've been in
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the Word I think is when it
started that I've realized boy
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this isn't lining up with
God's word and I need to find a
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scripture, replace this and just
start trusting and believing
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that God's working in me to will
and to act according to his good
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purpose. Well
that's why CBT even though
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it is a secular theory the
principles are found in the word
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of God. As a man
thinks in his heart so is he.
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Be ye transformed by the
renewing of your mind. So the
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principles are in the word of
God and the reason that it works
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is because it's found in the
word of God. I would insert one
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caution and that is that
sometimes when the Holy Spirit
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is striving with a person
they experience depression, they
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experience despair. I am careful
with my clients not to interrupt
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that. I'm careful to let the
Lord work with them; of course
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guarding against suicidality,
if the person's at the point of
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taking their own life. It's a
real tight rope walk I have to
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walk at that point.
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So explain that. Go into that
a little bit deeper when you say
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that sometimes when the Holy
Spirit is working with people
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they get to that
point of despair.
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If I was a strictly secular
cognitive behavioral therapist
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I would probably if someone
was in despair because they felt
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unworthy I would probably say
Oh no, you're worthy and I would
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argue with that thought. But
I can't really argue with that
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thought on the basis of
scripture. It could be that the
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Holy Spirit is striving with a
person and bringing them to the
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end of their own resources
realizing that they are nothing
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before God. I don't want to
reason that away. You know I
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should put in a little bit
of a disclaimer here because no
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secular theory is... we're
not safe to follow any secular
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theory, but I think that
cognitive behavioral therapy
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is in the word of God and that
there are many people in despair
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that don't need to be in despair
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Absolutely. Now I'm going to
have to correct something you
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said that when you say we
realize we're nothing before
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God. Just semantics but I don't
want someone to get the wrong
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idea. That we have no goodness,
nothing in our self that we can
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present to God as good or worthy
but that we're not nothing to
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him because he did send his Son
to die for us and he does see
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great value in us and he loves
us unconditionally. So if you're
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feeling that way, God would
have you come to him and say
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I'm the God of hope and if you
will trust me I will change your
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life and understand that I
do love you with an everlasting
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love and therefore with loving
kindness I am drawing you.
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Can I give more illustration
here? This fellow that I
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worked with one of the distorted
thoughts that he had, he had
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done some things wrong in his
youth and he was feeling this
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residual guilt because of
it. I'm not allowed to preach
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religion but I'm allowed to
look on their intake form and
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if they say that faith is
an important part of their life
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I can say well let's pursue that
So I said you know faith is an
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important part of your life;
how do you view God. And he
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basically said, Well God
is holy and I try to earn his
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forgiveness but no matter how
hard I try it just doesn't seem
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to be... I'm not good enough to
earn his forgiveness. So I had
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the privilege of introducing the
gospel to this man and it all
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happened very naturally in the
context of a counseling office.
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I want to say this one more
thing just to give you an idea
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of how powerful this type of
therapy, biblically based CBT,
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can be. The man came to me
for eight sessions. At the last
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session I was moving out of
my internship and kind of ending
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our sessions. He was
doing better. He had quit
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antidepressants on his own,
he had quit smoking and he had
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gotten a job and he basically
pronounced himself cured.
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And he said to me, I have been
coming to this counseling office
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for 15 years talking to
different therapists and I come
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to this lowly intern, and it's
true, I had no idea what I was
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doing, you know, really as far
as experience went, but he had
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eight sessions with me and he
said he was better. He said this
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thing you're doing keep
doing it because it works.
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And the reason, it was more
than eight sessions with you.
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He had eight sessions with the
Lord, Jesus Christ in you and
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you sharing the gospel, the good
news with him. Praise the Lord.
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So cognitive behavioral therapy
is simply taking someone and
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showing them that many times
behind these mood disorders and
00:24:17.80\00:24:22.80
this anxiety is that people are
making generalized statements.
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They are overreacting. They are
assigning values to things that
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don't really belong there and
it's simply taking them through
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to help them recognize their
own thinking, to help them then
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confront themselves, argue, have
this reasoning this argument
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within themselves to say
you know what I'm saying and
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thinking isn't really true.
Life isn't over for me because I
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embarrassed myself so badly.
Life isn't over for me, my life
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is not over because I got a
divorce. You know that's a good
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one. That's
right. It doesn't mean I
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can never be loved again
and often times people will
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generalize a very negative
experience like that to the rest
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of their lives. But you can say
to them, you know, is that true?
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And then you can start to work
with that and then you realize
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well no. Just because this
person rejected me doesn't mean
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that I can never have another
relationship. What am I saying
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about everybody else who's been
divorced if I say that about
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myself. And they can start
to deal with their own thinking.
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Just because one spouse may have
had an adulterous affair doesn't
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mean that everybody of the
opposite sex is untrustworthy.
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Then the replacement though I
think as a Christian what you're
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helping people to do is to
see the replacement thoughts
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should line up
with the word of God.
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That's right, that's
right. Amen You got it.
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That is so exciting. Let's run
through you FAR again because
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we've just got about a
minute to encapsulate this.
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First you find what it is that
you're thinking. What are you
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thinking about this negative
event. That's going to take some
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work. It's going to take some
effort. You're going to really
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sort of grill yourself and you
are going to have to try to get
00:26:10.03\00:26:13.06
under the layers and some of
these thoughts are actually kind
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of unconscious thoughts. But
once you identify those thoughts
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once you found those negative
thoughts then you argue with the
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thought then like you said you
start to engage in a reasoning
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process with yourself. Hold
yourself accountable for your
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own thought life. Then when you
finally have convinced yourself
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that this is not the way to
think about this negative event
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then you replace that misbelief
with the truth which is going to
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be nuanced, it's going to
be detailed. It's also going to
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contain the negative elements.
It's not going to be Pollyanna.
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But it's going to be more
whole and it's not going to be
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negatively biased. Then you'll
find that your mood will lift.
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Thank you so much Jennifer
for being with us again today.
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It's been a pleasure.
We have enjoyed having you.
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You know for those of you at
home 2 Corinthians 10:4 and 5
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God isn't just saying take your
thought captive and not telling
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you how to do it. He starts off
by saying, The weapons of our
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warfare are not carnal but they
are mighty to the pulling down
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of strongholds. Whatever the
devil's trying to set up in here
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and casting down any vain
argument, anything that would
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exalt itself against the
knowledge of God. So what I
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want to encourage you to
do, you don't have to see a
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behavioral therapist to do this,
just get into the word even and
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have the Lord give you promises
and show his truth to you that
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you can replace some of that
negative stinkin' thinking with.
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Well our time is all gone
already. We just ask in the
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name of Jesus that his
grace will be with you, that the
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Father's love will be with
you and the fellowship of the
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Holy Spirit will be with
you throughout today and always.
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