Participants: Shelley Quinn (Host), Herb Larson Jr.
Series Code: IAA
Program Code: IAA000308
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00:30 Hello I'm Shelley Quinn.
00:31 Welcome again to Issues and Answers. 00:34 We have a special guest joining us from Canada today 00:38 and his name is Herb Larsen. 00:39 Herb is an international businessman and author. 00:43 Author in the making? In the making, that's right. 00:44 An author in the making and you are the president of? 00:49 Imagine Life Media. Imagine Life Media. 00:52 And let me ask you this, 00:54 we had you here for several programs, 00:56 we have been talking about 00:58 friendship evangelism, witnessing, 01:02 but today we are gonna talk about 01:03 something that I like to talk about 01:05 you say that not too many people do discuss this 01:08 and it all comes back to, 01:10 one scripture that we are gonna 01:11 start this out with and that's Romans 8:1 01:14 is what's coming to my mind. 01:15 In Romans 8:1 Paul writes, 01:17 "There is therefore now no condemnation 01:21 for those who are in Christ Jesus, 01:23 who don't walk according to the dictates of the flesh 01:27 but according to the dictates of the Spirit." 01:29 Now, is there condemnation nation 01:32 if you are in Christ? 01:35 Bible says not. 01:36 But what we are gonna be talking about today 01:37 is this guilt that people cannot get rid off 01:41 and there are lot of people suffering from that. 01:43 Absolutely, because guilt you know and it's amazing. 01:47 Guilt isn't even talk about much 01:48 even in the realm of psychology 01:51 or especially spirituality where it should be 01:53 really advent of what's going on. 01:55 And what so damaging about guilt is, 01:58 it ruins the emotionally and intellectually. 02:00 I mean many suicides, 02:02 I mean psychologists will tell us, 02:03 many suicides have caused because people can't resolve 02:07 the pressure put on by guilt and nagging awareness 02:09 that have done something wrong. 02:12 It also affects you spiritually. 02:15 Obviously if guilt keeps getting you down 02:17 it's gonna drive you to legalism 02:20 because if you can't resolve the guilt's 02:23 if you don't feel like you are forgiven 02:25 then you have to adopt some sort of a system 02:27 where I can keep score as to what I am doing 02:29 to try to get rid of that guilt. 02:31 So its one of the major, major things that drive 02:33 people to legalism. 02:35 And you know there is another thing too that guilt 02:37 I used to tell people, if I feel guilty around someone, 02:39 for example let's say that 02:42 you have been trying to contact me for a week 02:44 and I haven't returned your phone call. 02:47 Now I bump into you in the grocery store. 02:50 You don't see me but I see you 02:51 and I heading down the one way 02:53 and you are coming near that I look up and I see you 02:55 and you are looking at something. 02:58 What am I gonna do? Split. 03:00 I am gonna try to avoid you if I can 03:02 because I am thinking I don't want this confrontation. 03:04 If we have, if we allow the devil 03:08 one of his favorite tricks 03:09 is to take a baton of condemnation 03:12 and hand it over to you 03:13 and we are stupid enough that we take it and we just 03:18 hitting ourself over the head with this. 03:20 And what we do when we feel guilty of your own God 03:23 and you find so many people, we off away God. 03:26 We kept praying this much. Perfect analogy. 03:28 So now there is-- there is own guilt, 03:32 I am guilt that you should feel guilty. 03:34 Two kinds of guilt. 03:35 Two kinds of guilt all right let's talk about that. 03:36 Well, the other thing is we have to look at 03:38 what are the damages that we have the emotional, 03:39 we have the spiritual, and the physical. 03:41 I mean Doctor Jeff Low of British study 03:43 that released recently here 03:45 where they measure your immunity 03:48 and they measure the secretory immunoglobulin 'A' 03:51 in your saliva and that's your first defense. 03:54 They call SIgA for short. 03:56 And they said in Great Britain symposium recently in England 04:01 that people with high levels of guilt 04:03 have a reduced, drastically reduce immunity. 04:07 And so not only that but then guilt causes stress 04:10 which--which release stresses hormones 04:12 which also destroys your health. 04:13 So it will destroy you physically, 04:14 emotionally, spiritually. 04:16 The devils come up with a really good one. 04:18 Yes, he has. And the problem is this. 04:22 Where this all start, where it start for me 04:24 to even look into this thing in the first place 04:25 its because I would wake up in the morning 04:29 and say, you know what, I did something wrong, 04:31 I better ask for forgiveness. 04:32 So I would say please forgive me, God, 04:34 please forgive me. 04:36 The next day, I would wake up and its still there. 04:39 So I would have to repeat my, you know, 04:41 request to forgive me again 04:44 and we are just haunt, haunt, haunt. 04:45 And then after a while, because you can't 04:48 get rid of that guilt you tend to think that okay, 04:51 I don't have enough faith 04:52 or may be God is using this as punishment for me, 04:56 may be the angels are pounding me over the head 04:58 or its through my concisions or whatever with this guilt. 05:00 And so you begin to think well, I really deserve this. 05:02 And before long your whole concept of God 05:04 that is to change. 05:06 And then legalism starts to come because, 05:09 because you need to some how keep score of the goods 05:11 and bad's that you do. 05:12 And if you do more goods, 05:13 then you can resolve this guilt. 05:15 But this is all a trap of Satan. Amen. 05:18 And you know not all guilt. 05:19 The Bible says that there is a-- 05:21 God brings us to a godly sorrow. Yes, absolutely. 05:24 And godly sorrow brings repentance, 05:26 worldly sorrow brings death. Absolutely. 05:29 And so, this godly sorrow when the Lord is leading us, 05:33 it's a whole different thing to-- 05:35 instead of guilt lets say there is a conviction of your sin. 05:38 When it's a godly sorrow it's where you know 05:42 you made a mistake 05:43 and God is showing you by the part of this Holy Spirit. 05:46 But its something that brings you forward 05:50 I mean you have that realization 05:51 and you come forward. 05:52 The kind of guilt that we are talking about 05:54 because we want to say 05:56 there is a right time to have godly sorrow 05:58 but the kind of guilt we are talking about 06:00 is that unearned guilt. 06:01 The guilt that should have been, 06:03 I mean, we should not have because we have already said, 06:06 we ask God for forgiveness, 06:08 1 John 1:9 06:09 "If we confess our sins, He is faithful 06:12 and just to forgive us our sins 06:13 and cleanse us of all unrighteousness." 06:16 But this type of nagging of that's hanging on. 06:19 Okay, this is a good point. So, God does give us a guilt. 06:22 He has originals guilt by remorse. 06:24 What is remorse? 06:25 Remorse is when we hurt someone 06:27 the love connection that we have is hurt too. 06:31 If you hurt because I hurt you 06:33 then my love is gonna say, you know, correct that. 06:37 And so that's what God, God's guilt is remorse 06:40 but this is what we got to realize 06:41 there is nothing, God has never instituted 06:44 any thing in the Bible 06:45 the Satan has not come up with a counterfeit. 06:47 That's right. Absolutely, clearly. 06:49 Starting Genesis 1 look all the way through, 06:51 everything God is ever since did in the beginning, 06:52 God created heaven and earth, 06:53 no He didn't it evolved. 06:55 God created you in His image. 06:57 No He didn't, you are in the image of an ape. 06:59 God created male and female had sexuality 07:01 and all this something else. 07:02 And so on and on and on it goes. 07:05 And so when it comes to guilt, 07:07 there is a guilt that God allows 07:10 and that's basically 07:12 when the love connection breaks down 07:14 because God is-- 07:15 all love flows from God through us into the world 07:19 and so when you do wrong things 07:21 that breaks down and sin separates. 07:23 So when you separate it hurts. 07:26 No different in any human relationship. 07:28 So what you have to realize and okay if there is an original 07:31 we know there is going to be a counterfeit 07:33 because Satan is not gonna leave 07:34 something like that undone. Yes. 07:36 So how could use counterfeit work 07:38 that could through us into this huge tizzy? 07:40 And that's what we want to look at little bit is-- 07:42 is it's that counterfeit guilt that we can't get rid off, 07:47 that destroys us emotional, physical and spiritually 07:51 and Satan wants to use that and some of his people won't 07:53 talk about guilt much. 07:54 It's just sort of one of those things that-- 07:55 that kind of sounds bit way out there 07:57 and yet it's very--it's very important to understand. 07:59 Now there is a couple of examples in the Bible. 08:03 One is we look at two characters 08:05 that of Judas and Peter. 08:08 Now the interesting thing is-- 08:10 is their stories are unbelievably parallel? 08:14 If you read about it in Matthew 26, 08:16 the stories are just right down 08:19 both of them were friends of each other 08:21 and we have the stories happen on the same night, 08:24 they betray the same person. 08:26 They were warned they ahead of time 08:27 they were gonna betray and it just goes on and on 08:30 with the different things they both experienced guilt 08:35 and guess what, they both repentance. 08:36 Because, you know, it says in Matthew 27 right here 08:38 it says, "Then Judas, which had betrayed him, 08:41 when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, 08:43 and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to him." 08:46 So he did feel some pressure there. 08:48 Right. And he repented. 08:50 But now okay so all the way through and he is like, 08:52 the pile are different, absolute parallel 08:54 so the story should have ended the same too. 08:57 But it didn't. 08:58 One became a great evangelists for Jesus, 09:01 3, 000 days very shadow healing people Peter. 09:05 And what happened to Judas? 09:07 Hung himself. He went to hang himself. 09:09 The story are so parallel how could that be possible? 09:11 They both, you know? Something destruct me? 09:13 So, it would be a-- an accurate statement to say 09:17 that God's guilt in 2 Corinthians 7:10 says, 09:21 "That God's when he puts this guilt on you, 09:24 the remorse on you, 09:26 it's to lead you to repentance." Absolutely. 09:29 When the devil puts this guilt this accusation, 09:33 accusatory type guilt on you 09:35 it's to drive you further away from God. 09:38 Absolutely, and you-- 09:39 and the very word that you brought up there 09:41 is the key to Satan's guilt. 09:43 Guilt by accusation. Okay. 09:45 See God's it's a-- 09:47 it's a break down of love that creates this hurt, 09:50 with Satan its guilt by accusation. 09:52 And what does we see in Revelation 12, 09:54 what does the Bible say in Revelation 12:10? 09:56 Satan stands before God day and night accusing us. 10:00 So we know-- we know 10:02 and how does the accusation feels 10:04 compared to real guilt? 10:05 Now here is what Satan is really got to figure it out. 10:07 Because if I said you are the person 10:09 who burnt down the school house, 10:11 you started the fire to burn it down 10:13 and you didn't do it. 10:15 And so I said oh, no Shelley did it. 10:17 Well, now, all of a sudden rises on you. 10:18 Oh yeah, she did it, she did it. 10:20 What do you feel like? 10:21 Don't you feel guilty even though you didn't do it? 10:22 It's because the condemning finger is pointing at you 10:25 so you get that sense of hurt, that sense of emptiness, 10:29 that sense of rejection that comes along with, 10:31 you know in shame, that comes along with guilt. 10:33 It feels the same. 10:35 And so--so how do you deal with it then? 10:38 I mean so this is what Satan is gonna do. 10:40 He is going to accuse you. 10:41 Now here is the way, he is like a schoolyard boy. 10:44 He comes up to me leads me to sin. 10:46 He is one who leads me into sin, 10:47 and the second day sin what does he do? 10:48 He runs and tells this to God. 10:52 I mean this happened to me in the schoolyard. 10:53 You know, kids would say well, go behind the back 10:55 and smoke a cigarette 10:57 or do whatever else. So you take a puff. 10:58 Now right away the teacher hears about it. 11:00 You know, I mean that's the way Satan is. 11:02 And so, what he does then 11:04 but he doesn't like go that accusation. 11:06 Even though I may get punished for that 11:08 or I may or the teacher may just have grace 11:10 and say okay, don't do it again. 11:12 The bully is not going to let up 11:14 because he knows 11:15 that if he can thrown my sin in my face, 11:19 that it's gonna put my head down. 11:21 It's gonna separate me, 11:22 the sin separates we are told is Isaiah. 11:24 So sin separates 11:26 and the shame of guilt separates too 11:28 to the point where you can't no longer see God 11:30 and he is got a its an incredible deceitful things 11:33 he is got to figure it out here. Amen. 11:34 Because he holds the sin in front of our face. 11:37 Now, how can he do that? 11:39 So if you look at the mechanics of forgiveness 11:41 because that's what all starts. 11:43 We just, you just quoted for us in John 1:9 11:46 it says, if we confess our sins. 11:47 Now there's an interesting thing about confession. 11:50 Lot of times its easy to say, 11:52 forgive me of my sins that night. 11:55 It's just asking you to take care of it. 11:56 You know cover me, that's fine 11:57 but you know what, this is sin confess. 12:00 It says, bring him out in the opened 12:02 that's what confession means. 12:04 And I think God has a student 12:05 because if we don't know-- 12:07 it's like we are not really recognizing, 12:10 I mean when you start confessing your sins, 12:12 you know, Lord, show me 12:13 how it found short of Your glory. 12:14 And He start showing you oops, 12:16 I didn't mean to gossip. 12:18 Oops, I have this judgmental thought. 12:21 And you confess it, it's like you really understand 12:24 as you are saying Lord, you are right. 12:26 I was judgmental today, forgive me. 12:28 You know, I know its against, 12:30 its something that it changes your heart 12:33 to go before the loving God 12:35 and to say I know this wasn't like your nature 12:38 and it makes you--I mean it's a growing process. 12:41 Confession is very much of growing process. 12:42 Absolutely, and the other thing is that 12:44 once you have confessed 12:45 like today and tomorrow the temptation comes 12:47 to lie again or whatever it is. 12:50 If I brought it out in the open 12:52 in humility the night before 12:53 and says please forgive this is what I did. 12:56 And I'm going to think twice about 12:59 that when the temptation comes again, 13:00 yes, I am going to think twice 13:02 because I brought it out in the open the night before. 13:04 And I share a story you're gonna love this one. 13:06 A pastor down in Huston was said that 13:09 he just really had a problem with exaggerating. 13:12 And so he said to--he made-- he prayed with the Lord. 13:16 The Lord-- he called it exaggeration 13:18 the Lord said no its lie. 13:20 So, he prayed to the Lord 13:21 and the Lord really impressed him 13:24 that from then on no matter where he was 13:26 that if he exaggerated he was to confess that it was a lie. 13:30 So he is in the pulpit and he is telling this story 13:32 and he just stops and he says I have to confess 13:35 I just exaggerated, excuse me. 13:36 No, I have tell you I just lied to you. 13:39 So it happened in a couple of weeks later 13:41 he is in pulpit and he has to say, 13:44 I am sorry that was a lie. 13:46 I mean that God told him just to be blunt about it. 13:48 And he said, let me tell you Shelley, 13:50 after two times confessing 13:51 to your congregation that you lied to. 13:53 He said you know what, 13:55 God cured me of telling these tails 13:58 and letting them grow as I told them. 14:00 And so there is something about confession 14:02 as you said that it brings 14:04 this--the painfulness of your sin to you to. 14:07 You recognize you are sinning against God, 14:09 but it makes you much more aware of you know, 14:12 you really do have an honest heart in saying Lord 14:15 grant me repent from this I want to turn away from it. 14:17 Yeah, it's because if you don't confront the issue. 14:19 Yeah. And head on so that it hurts 14:22 and it's shameful and it's humbling. 14:24 There is no-- no need for going. 14:26 So that's what--if you confess God is gonna forgive. 14:29 So what's involved in the forgiveness thing? 14:31 If you look at Hebrews 8 and Hebrews 12 it tells us this, 14:35 what happens to God? 14:36 God will forgive and forget. 14:38 Absolutely. And I find that really amazing 14:42 because how can-- how can a God with a mind 14:45 like His forget something like that? 14:47 And so-- but it's a statement of fact. 14:51 It's not a--may be it is a fact God will forgive 14:54 and He will forget. 14:55 So that's what happens to him. 14:57 So now the real problem is what happens to me? 14:59 Why do I wake up the next morning 15:00 with the same nagging guilt there? 15:03 It's because what supposed to happen to me may not 15:06 have happened either or I am responding to Satan. 15:10 And so if you look at Hebrews 9 15:13 it gives us-- it gives us an example. 15:16 Here it says "For I will 15:17 be merciful to their unrighteousness," 15:18 Which verse you are reading? Verse--Hebrews 9 15:23 Well we are here, well 14, Okay 9:14 15:27 It says, "How much more 15:29 shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit 15:31 offered himself without spot to God, 15:33 purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God." 15:36 He is gonna purge something. What is the meaning to purge? 15:38 It means to get rid of it. 15:39 And want little more clear situation move on over 15:41 little bit to 10:2, Hebrew 10:2 it says this 15:47 "For then would they not have ceased to be offered? 15:49 Because," here is the because part, 15:51 "that the worshippers once purged 15:53 should have had no more conscience of sins." 15:57 Yeah, and the way it says in the amplifier 15:59 is so that they would no longer 16:00 have any guilt or consciousness of sin. 16:02 See so, okay so these are God's promises now. 16:05 Amen. And they are facts. 16:08 Let me share a thought with you real quick, 16:09 because I don't know if you are aware 16:10 of the scripture but this was life changing. 16:12 I mean, I read all of these scriptures 16:13 about how He is going to, you know, 16:16 come let us reason together Isaiah 1 where He says 16:19 "Though your sins be as scarlet, 16:21 I will make them white as snow." 16:22 And then He says, I'm gonna cast him 16:24 as far as that east is from the west and all this things." 16:27 But still it kept coming up to me to till I found 16:30 this scripture 1 Kings 14:8 and this is where God is, 16:35 told his Jeroboam's wife comes to the prophet of God 16:39 and God tells the prophet to tell her, 16:41 you go tell Jeroboam-- and by the way 16:44 this is Jeroboam's now the king and this is after 16:46 David-- David's death, King David. 16:49 "You go, tell Jeroboam, 'Thus says the Lord of Israel,' 16:52 'Because I exalted you from among the people, 16:54 and made you leader over My people Israel, 16:56 and took the kingdom away from the house of David, 16:59 and gave it to you, and yet you have not been 17:02 as My servant David, who" this is God speaking about 17:06 David after he died "who kept My commandments 17:10 and who followed Me with all his heart, 17:13 to do only what was right before My eyes." 17:17 I'm sitting there, I am looking at this 17:18 and I am thinking, you got to be kidding. 17:21 God is speaking saying that David did only what was right 17:25 before his eyes, kept all of his commandments. 17:27 David was guilty of breaking them all, 17:29 break one, break them all but I mean. 17:31 Absolutely. He was guilty, 17:33 he was coveting and adultery, murder, you know, 17:37 go write on down, and then it turned on me God 17:42 forget what we ask Him to forgive. 17:44 He really does, you know, in Psalm 51 is the record. 17:48 Psalm 51 is the record of David's repentance 17:51 after his adulterous relationship with Bathsheba 17:56 and he is saying, "blot out my sins and my iniquities." 18:01 God literally-- the scripture says, 18:04 that He blot some out like a cloud for his own name sake 18:08 he-- He covers them all for. 18:10 And it is for his benefit? 18:11 Yeah, so that He doesn't have to look at us and just say, 18:15 ah you are been a good girl now, 18:17 but I remember what it use to be like. 18:19 Absolutely, that is a good point, 18:20 because that is after the fact and so God doesn't remember it. 18:23 We can remember it because we look back 18:24 on the records and say, oh yeah, well he did this, he did that. 18:27 But in God's heart-- so that's the point 18:29 is what is wrong with the formula then, 18:33 if God says, if confess I will forgive, 18:37 I will forget and you will forget. 18:41 So how come it comes back after me the next day again. 18:43 Is my faith not such that I can believe 18:45 in God's promises, is God not caring through 18:49 with His promises or is it Satan keeping record 18:54 yet and he is one throwing it back into my face? 18:57 Yeah. And he brings that back 19:00 in my face because, if I want to dwell 19:02 in something that-- because I am not gonna listen 19:04 to the Bible's promises and the Bibles claims its facts 19:08 and I start focusing on the fact 19:10 that I got the sin, I got to rid of it. 19:12 I got the sin, I got to rid of it. 19:13 You know, I just can't handle 19:14 any more its ruining my health, its ruining everything 19:17 I'm going to start adopting legalism even though 19:19 we don't--you know, well say that. 19:21 We start pick up things, some people take up diets, 19:23 some takes other behavioral things 19:25 whatever, whatever we think 19:26 we can handle in terms of set of rules 19:27 we adopt it Pharisees were great at it. 19:30 Then we say okay, today I didn't do this, 19:31 didn't do that, dint do that. 19:33 And so I feel good about myself because I accomplish it, 19:36 so we use legalism as a score keeping card 19:41 to overcome something Satan has thrown at. 19:43 Define for us, what-- I mean because 19:46 different people use that word legalism. 19:48 Some people think legalism just means to obey 19:51 the Commandments of God which obviously is not. 19:53 No, absolutely. I mean that's not 19:55 what you're talking about, but-- 19:56 It could be if--if-- If they think 19:59 they are gonna earn their salvation through keeping 20:01 the commandments because you can not earn your salvation. 20:04 That's right. It's a gift from God. 20:05 Now but what you are saying is to become forsake 20:09 where you have all these little rules and regulations 20:13 the traditions of man and its like you know, 20:16 get rid of my hair, straight back in a bun 20:18 and put my people always laugh when I say 20:20 this but you know, wear the longest skirts, 20:22 I do wear long skirts because I like long skirts 20:24 but you know there is some people that, 20:26 you know you got the little nine year old child 20:29 that has to have the skirt all the way down 20:31 to and they think that by making the external as Holy 20:37 as they can think to make it, that they are doing something 20:40 for God whereas what God wants 20:43 to do is to wash us from the inside. 20:44 It's the new covenant. 20:46 He wants to change the heart, 20:47 so there is no desire there to do it. 20:49 Okay, you know, you made a comment 20:51 that God forgets and that we will forget our sin. 20:54 But actually, we really don't forget our sin. 20:57 I think God has, you know, like we talk about 21:00 forgiving and forgetting He does. 21:02 We forgive but we are not able to forget yet, 21:05 and I think may be it's because God is leading 21:07 that for a protective measure that someone else 21:10 can't take advantage of us. 21:12 We know to, you know, may be they have to earn 21:14 their respect of trust again but also for our own self 21:18 that we may not forget that sin so that we won't fall back 21:22 into that sneer, yet what God does is through 21:25 the forgiveness process, He washes away 21:27 the gilt and condemnation. 21:29 We can remember this sin 21:31 and talk about it, give testament. 21:32 You see people who are in love with the Lord right now. 21:35 Yeah. Like Sherry Peters 21:36 is coming to my mind. 21:37 She can get up and talk about 21:39 when she was on the streets doing drugs, 21:42 was a poll dancer whatever, and she can talk about 21:46 that without guilt and remorse and condemnation 21:49 because God's brought her so far. 21:52 That's what gives her testimony. 21:54 Absolutely and that's what it says. 21:55 It says, it will purge your conscience. 21:57 That's the area where guilt resides 22:00 and where guilt draws you down. 22:01 And in course the other one we just read 22:03 in Hebrew 10:2 it says, "The worshipers 22:07 once purged should have had no more consciousness of sins." 22:09 Doesn't mean you don't remember that your sinful past 22:12 but it's no longer gonna haunt you, 22:14 its not gonna drag you down, 22:16 it's not gonna drive you legalism, 22:17 its not gonna sin separate you from God. 22:20 Because see sin held in your face is nothing 22:22 but an umbrella of separation between you and the father. 22:25 Yes, yes and so Satan is effectively used that 22:29 and so how do you get rid of it? 22:31 Well, first of all we have to constantly 22:33 go back to the mechanics of forgiveness. 22:35 The mechanics, you know, I hate to put it down 22:37 and in such mechanical terms 22:38 but the mechanics of forgiveness. 22:40 You confess His faith and just to forgive. 22:44 He is gonna forget those sins and bury them 22:46 as far as the east is from the west, 22:47 you said and in the bottom of the ocean. 22:50 Places back then they couldn't even comprehend 22:52 that they come back and then he is gonna subdue 22:55 our minds of the impact of that sin. 22:59 Yeah, we could still remember what we did, 23:00 its not going to raise our memory but it's going to raise 23:03 the pressure and the power of that. 23:05 So that when it comes up to next day after you have asked 23:08 for forgiveness and now you haven't to regurgitate 23:10 this bad thing that's happened 23:12 and now you have to try to deal with that again. 23:14 We should be able to recognize where this is coming from 23:18 and then know how to deal with it. 23:19 If you know Satan is throwing it on your face, 23:21 what do you do? What did Jesus say when Satan tempted, 23:23 or when Satan did-- said, be behind me. 23:25 It is written. And we have 23:27 and this is written and we have every right 23:30 to rebuke Satan in the name of Jesus and by the power 23:33 and the blood that he spilled on Calvary. 23:34 So when that sin comes back-- 23:36 Could I just tweak that just a little bit? 23:37 Yeah. See I believe that even when, 23:41 Jesus was rebuking Satan, he said 23:44 the Lord rebuke ou he said. 23:46 I believe we have every right to say the Lord, rebuke it. 23:49 But I don't think. Wait, wait, 23:50 yeah but you now believe 23:51 what the power there is Jesus, the power is great. 23:54 So absolutely, so the point 23:55 is this we can rid ourselves of that hideous imitation guilt 24:01 that guilt that's a counterfeit. 24:05 It's an accusation. 24:06 I mean, I had people when they heard this. 24:07 I mean, I had a little old lady not too long ago, 24:10 3-4 years ago in the South Pacific, 24:13 I won't say where. 24:14 But anyway she came up she is probably 24:15 in her mid 70s when I share this and she came up 24:18 and she is crying to me and she says, 24:20 young man she says is that true? 24:23 That the words that Jesus and I said absolutely. 24:26 God is forgiven you and she told me about 24:28 how she had an affair with her best friend's husband 24:30 25 years early and she says we are still best friends. 24:32 He died-- her wife's husband. 24:36 She says there hasn't been a day, 24:38 in the last 25 years where that hasn't haunted me. 24:41 Bless her heart. 24:42 And she says for the first time in my life 24:44 I can say clear of it. 24:45 And you know, that's what in my life 24:47 was may be not to same level as that but the guilt 24:49 just kept calm pounding and haunting me until 24:51 I had to go in the Bible and pray down the Holy Spirit 24:54 to give me discernment to understand what is wrong. 24:57 Right. And when I recognized 25:00 that it's just another counterfeit meant to destroy us, 25:03 spiritually and addition to that emotionally 25:05 and physically as well. 25:08 I began to lay more claims to the Bible. 25:11 Amen. On that and it liberating me. 25:14 Hebrews 10:2, how does it read in your new Bible? 25:17 It says, "The worshippers once purged 25:19 should have had no more consciousness of sins." 25:21 No more consciousness of sin. 25:22 I was thinking if we are not purged of this guilt 25:26 and condemnation instead of having 25:29 no more consciousness of sin and a cleanse consciousness. 25:33 What we end up with can be a seared consciousness. 25:37 You know, you think of-- I was thinking of some stories 25:38 I have heard of Hells Angels who have sinned 25:42 so much that they get to the point where they feel, 25:45 I mean I heard a story about a man who believed in God 25:48 but he become Hells Angels and sinned so much 25:51 that his consciousness became seared 25:54 by this and he kept thinking, God can't forgive me. 25:57 I may as well I've done it all I may as well keep doing it. 26:00 And so there is that affect as well which is the absolute 26:04 polar opposite what God wants to do. 26:07 He wants to bring us before Him, bring us to that godly sorrow 26:11 and get us to confess and ask Him, 26:15 either way you got to ask God to forgiveness 26:17 because Acts 5:32 says, 26:20 it is God who grants forgiveness. 26:23 So you got to say Lord, give me the power 26:25 to turn away from the sin. 26:27 Work in me to willing to act according to your good purpose, 26:30 complete the good work You've began in me. 26:32 And trust that God is gonna be God, He is so merciful. 26:36 And what did Jesus do for us? 26:37 That's the foundation of it all. 26:39 Absolutely. I mean you know, 26:41 when He died in that cross, He deserved to die. 26:44 You know, we always says He didn't deserve, no He did. Why? 26:46 Because He so completely took my sins that He deserved that. 26:50 Because the way does the sin death, 26:52 He took my sin. It wasn't just some little light thing. 26:55 Yeah, we just--we'll just kind of make this little symbolism 26:57 that I took Herb's sins. 26:59 No, He took my sin so completely. 27:01 Yeah. That my condemnation 27:03 made Him hang there and cry out my God, 27:06 my God, not my Father, my Father but my God, 27:09 my God why have you forsaken me. 27:13 He is crying out my. Yeah. 27:17 My agony. You know Herb, 27:19 this has been such a enlightening topic. 27:22 I am so glad that we decided to talk about this for today. 27:24 Thank you, so much for being back. 27:26 Our time is already gone. Yeah, I know. 27:28 Thank you, so much. 27:29 And for those of you at home, I pray that you remember 27:32 what Paul said, there is now therefore, 27:35 no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 27:39 If you have confessed your sins and ask God to forgive 27:41 in you then you just do not take that baton of condemnation 27:46 from Satan what he try's to pass it off to you. 27:48 Okay, now may the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, 27:51 the love of the Father and the fellowship 27:53 of Holy Spirit be with you always. |
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