Hello friends and
welcome to "Issues and Answers."
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My name is John Lomacang
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and thank you for
taking the time to sit down,
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as a matter of fact I
said sit down, don't rush
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because this a program
you do not want to miss.
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There are so many people locked
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into the cycle of the
sameness and the same day
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and it seems as
though they're stuck
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in the proverbial repeating
Groundhogs Day Scenario.
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But God has a
tremendous life in store for you
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that you're about to discover
today, can be your reality.
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That's what makes our
guest so special today,
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because she has
been in the past,
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the present and the future
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and the ceiling has been
removed from her restrictions.
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God has opened to her the world.
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And I believe that her life
is going to inspire you today.
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So let's welcome
our guest right now.
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Good to have you here, Francine.
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Thank you, John.
It's lovely to be here.
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Francine Bell, it's
a pleasure. Thank you.
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I have had a chance to
thumb through your book,
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"Lights! Camera! Action!"
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I mean that's just
what the director says.
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Just about life-- Just about
when life is about to happen.
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Absolutely.
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And life has
been happening for you
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the way that you have planted
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but even more importantly
the way that God has planted.
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Absolutely.
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You know, it's all about taking
hold of the promises of God
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and believing
what He says, John.
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Brooklyn, New York. Yes.
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That's where you were
planted. That's right.
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And that's where
you're sprouted. Yep.
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Walk us through your background
just a little bit there
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for those who are saying,
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"Francine Bell,
who is Francine Bell?"
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Francine Bell is a child of God.
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I always like to start there
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because everything
trickles down from there.
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She was born and
raised in Brooklyn.
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I was born in Crown Heights.
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And I spend a lot
of my formative years
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in Fort Greene and in Bushwick.
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And I even had a little
stint on Flatbush Avenue.
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You're taking it back. Oh, yes.
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And I mean, I think
of life in Brooklyn.
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I think of the botanic
gardens and botanical gardens
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and I think of
the Brooklyn Museum
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which interestingly
enough someone in Australia
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where I'm now living,
brought up saying that
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it was the best place for
Egyptian art outside of Cairo.
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Hmm. Yeah.
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Never thought about that. Yeah.
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I never knew it but
here it was someone that knew
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and Grow Brooklyn is on the map.
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Hmm. Yeah.
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You know, Brooklyn is so large.
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It could be one of
the five largest cities
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in the United States
if it stood by itself.
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That's right. That's right.
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But it's just the component
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in the five
burrows of New York City.
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And what a component? Hmm.
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There is no city
like New York City. No.
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But you live in Australia. I do.
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Let's walk through that track.
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Take us briefly
through your track
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because you didn't
just get up one day
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and move from
Brooklyn to Australia. No.
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I mean, you've had--
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Take us to some
of your background
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because you've had
an illustrious career
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and you continue in the
way that God is leading you.
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But for those watching
the program they may say,
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Brooklyn, Australia.
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Come on now that's just--
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that's not just a piece
in the puzzle of monopoly.
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How do you get there?
There were bits in between.
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Okay. You know.
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Okay, so it was
Brooklyn, Manhattan.
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Okay. Okay.
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Then from Manhattan to Paris
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where I lived for
six and half years.
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And then from Paris,
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I was working in
Istanbul in Turkey
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and met some Australians
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and that's what
took me to Australia.
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'Cause I was trying to figure
out, okay, I can see Paris
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but Australia is
down under, down under.
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Yeah, it is, it is.
It's way down there.
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And you know I think about
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God strategically
placing His people, you know.
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And I wake up sometimes,
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I roll over and I
look at my husband there
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and I look out at the lake
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and I think I'm in
Wangi Wangi, Australia, Lord.
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And it sort of like
Dorothy in Wizard of Oz,
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I'm not in Kansas anymore, Toto.
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But that's where God placed me
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and that's where I'm
sprouting and blooming now.
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That's right, you know,
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plants grow well when they
stay where they are planted
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and are watered and
they bloom and blossom
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and become all that
God wants them to be.
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And you're a Christian.
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And you've
always been a Christian
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but you're a
Seventh-day Adventist Christian.
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But you've got the extra
added components of the gifts.
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I mean, you're a
singer. You're a model.
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Many kilos ago. Okay.
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I think they say pounds here
in America now, many pounds ago.
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Okay, I like that kilo
that takes us overseas. Yes.
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But walks us through that
because you have in your book
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talked about the
limitlessness of God.
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You don't see
limitations the way
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that many people
look at something and say,
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"Oh, I can't do that."
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Francine Bell doesn't
think I can't do that.
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Oh, no. No.
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Francine Bell as a child of God
doesn't think she can't do that.
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Francine in her own strength
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can think she can do
a lot of things. Okay.
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But one of the greatest
words that I've ever read
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in the Bible is
believe, I believe God.
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I believe that He
can do and will do
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what He says He will do.
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So that's where my
strength comes from
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to go ahead and
to seize the day.
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Because you're
living now in Australia
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in a place where many people
say, "That seems a world away.
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I've heard about it but I
don't know much about it."
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How does Francine
Bell live her daily life
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in the realm of
the spiritual world
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when there's so much
calling you from the flesh world
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that is the cameras, the
light, the action of life?
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I really believe that we
are all in the army of God.
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And that each one of
us has a role to play.
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And that if we don't break
ranks we have a strong army.
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The Book of Jeremiah
talks about not breaking rank.
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I sit at the feet like
Mary and I ask God to tell me
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what He wants me to
do on a day to day basis.
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Now having said that
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as an African-American
woman in Australia
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which is a long
way from Brooklyn.
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I know that God
has placed me there
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because I am an
African-American woman
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who's practically 6
foot tall and black.
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And as Australians
would say, "And a yank," okay.
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And for that reason they
very often think you're crazy.
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Oh, she's a yank, man.
She's crazy, all right.
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Well, not
everybody thinks that way
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but I ride the
wave of being different,
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I let that be an
advantage for me.
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So I can say,
"because of my culture,"
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let me pray for you.
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I can say because of my
culture, bless you and mean it
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and get away with it. So I do.
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So the catalyst then
is you see some things
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that may be seen as a
disadvantage as a catalyst--
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Absolutely. To grow on.
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Absolutely. Absolutely.
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I'm sparked by what
may seem an obstacle
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because you know in
the Book of Zechariah,
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they say, "Grace,
grace to the mountain."
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So God has taught me to
look with God colored glasses.
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He gave me a wonderful
poem on my birthday that says,
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"I'm looking at the world
through God colored glasses.
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I'm seeing
everything the way it should be.
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The beauty in the world,
the love among the masses
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with God colored glasses
my way is clear and free."
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I tried to see things
through God's perspective
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and I can only do that
by sitting at His feet,
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soaking in the word and asking
for the Holy Spirit's guidance.
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So you've really embodied
Philippians 4:11 which Paul says
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"I have learned to be content
whatever the circumstances."
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Absolutely, you know,
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God is teaching me to look
for the good in every situation.
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Romans 8:29 talks about being
molded into the likeness of God.
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And when you're
molded, you're getting prodded.
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You know I heard an
evangelist talk about this
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with regards to
play-doh and you know,
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bit of this is taken
away and that is taken away
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and you pushed
in and pushed there.
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Well, as a Christian we
are molded and sometime pruned
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and those things
are sometimes painful.
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But if I have put my life
into the hands of God, like Job,
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"Though He slay me," you know.
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Then I've to
believe that everything
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is for my eventual good
according to the plan of God.
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When you wrote this book I
was, I was taken by a chapter
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because of it being real in my
life and I won't go into that.
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But in the midst of
talking about the way
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that you have succeeded
and continue to succeed.
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There's a chapter
called, forgiveness.
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I have to find
out what that's about.
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I was singing once
at a big regional day
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for the Seventh-day Adventist
Church in my area in Sydney.
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And it was
actually at Homebush Stadium
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where they had
the Olympics later on.
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And I'd sung my
version of "Amazing Grace"
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which was a little
bit too embellished
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for one of the
people in the church.
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And if you know Homebush,
it's a very, very big stadium.
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And for anybody to
want to be backstage,
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it meant that they had
to fight through, you know,
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hoards of people
in order to get there.
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So this person founded
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really, really
important to come backstage.
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And I say with the
determination of a salmon
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to swim upstream
through all those people
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to tell me of their displeasure
of my rendition of the song.
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I was so crushed
in spirit by that
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because if you know
anything about show business.
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And I know that you have some
understanding of my industry.
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You're very vulnerable
at the end of a performance.
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All of your emotions have
been given out to your audience
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and if there's
going to be a time
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when you can crush someone
with criticism it's them.
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The person had they
waited till the next day,
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they probably could've
said exactly the same thing.
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And I would've just thanked them
very much for their offering.
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And I would've taken
from it what I need to
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in all humility
and discarded the rest.
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But you know, at that
point is when you're vulnerable.
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So I had
resentment in my heart that
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I didn't even know it was there
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until I started
writing that book.
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And a friend read
the chapter and said,
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it was actually the
chapter on discouragement.
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She read that chapter and said,
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"You are still harboring
resentment in your heart,
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you need to forgive."
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And I had to
confess and repent of that
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that unforgiveness in my
heart because the Bible says,
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"If you don't forgive,
you won't be forgiven."
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That's a pretty big,
you know, pretty big thing.
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That's a road block that
cannot be passed. Absolutely.
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So I had to see
what was going on.
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I had to accept
what was going on.
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And I had to
confess what was going on.
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And I had to repent
of what was going on.
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And it meant calling that
person and saying this is what--
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this is what's
been going on for me.
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They were not
even aware, you know.
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So often when
you've got something,
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a case where
you're angry with someone,
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very often people are not even
aware that you've taken offense,
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that's why we really
need to get over offense.
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But praise God, He showed
me, I was able to be healed.
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And it was really
interesting because the person
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that I had the problem with
had a wife that was an author
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and she was able to
pick up an error in my book
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that I would not have seen if
I had not followed God's will.
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So it worked out for the
blessing that was somehow
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crouched in the continued
resident unforgiving spirit,
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but the Lord removed
that so that you can move on.
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Absolutely.
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So are you saying to me then
that forgiveness is something
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that we have to extend
even if the person doesn't know
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we have that
feeling toward them?
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Well, I can't
speak for everyone. Okay.
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But I know that
the word of God says,
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if you have something in
your heart don't come to me,
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you know, go and fix it
with your brother and then come.
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I took it very seriously,
so whenever I feel that--
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and there's an
opportunity, you know,
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it's not always
possible to go back to someone.
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But, you know, that
God made it possible for me
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to go back to that person
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and say this is
what's going on, so I did.
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Now as you continue growing to
become in fruition I would say,
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the Francine Bell that
God envisioned you to be.
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There are components
you are living in a world
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where many of us would never
get a chance to rub shoulders
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with people that are
in the same room with you,
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on the same stage with
you, in the same movie with you,
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on the same set with you.
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How do you balance that,
that's at best for some people
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they would jump
at that opportunity
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and forget
everything behind them,
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but you've come to the place
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where you've
learned to balance that?
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How do you do that?
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My relationship with
God is first and foremost
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and if I
dishonored God, you know,
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I dishonored myself, you know,
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I dishonored everything
that is worth anything.
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So you have to prioritize.
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We talked a
little bit, you and I
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in one of our private
conversations about priorities.
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God is number one
and everything, you know,
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comes after that, you know,
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even my
relationship with my husband.
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It's God first
and then my husband.
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And it has to be that way.
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In show business we're tempted
by so many different things.
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There's always, you
know, I've written in my book,
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there's always somebody
that is wanting to help you
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to get to where you want to go.
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There's always a high on offer.
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You know, I have discovered
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that the only way I can
get to where I want to go
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is by the leading
of the Holy Spirit.
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And the only high
I want is that one,
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the Holy Spirit, you know.
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So I praise God
for the circumstances
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that I've been in
and potentially in
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because I can see the
hand of God on my life
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and how He's
protected me and shielded me
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in situations that have killed
others and continues to do so.
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However, you know, I want
to honor God wherever I go
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and I want to take Him.
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I want to be the messenger
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whether I speak His
name or not wherever I go.
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You know, the
Bible talks about Bethel.
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It talks about Ebenezer.
Setting up your Ebenezer.
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Brooklyn is your Ebenezer. Yeah.
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After these experiences
you go back to Brooklyn
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and you look at it
through fresh eyes.
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What do you see? I see.
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Let me put that in a context.
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I didn't mean to interrupt you
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but what do you see
not only just structurally,
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but what do you see
through the new Francine?
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I see that God had
to prepare the soil
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for the things that He was going
to be doing in my life today.
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If I had not lived in
the ghettos of Brooklyn,
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I could not speak to people
in the ghettos of Brooklyn
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with an
understanding that I have
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as a person from that situation.
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So I go back
now and I see people
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and I see the
homes that I lived in.
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And I know that
God has blessed me,
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but He's blessed me
to tell other people
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that He's no
respecter of persons
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and if He did it for me, He
can and He will do it for you,
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if you will allow Him and
if you will follow the script.
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And that's what "Lights,
Camera, Action," talks about.
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Relying on the word of
God, clinging to the promises.
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And you know, in order to reap
the blessings of God's word,
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you have to walk
according to God's will.
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And I really
stretch that with people,
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because people
want to speak the words
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and not follow the director.
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The director and the ultimate
star of the show is God.
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But if you hold
on to what He says
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and you believe what He says,
not what the world tells you,
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not what the enemy tells
you, but what He tells you,
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then there is
definitely not a pot of gold
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at the end of the rainbow
but there are streets of gold.
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I like that.
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And I plan to moon
walk down those streets.
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I like that. Oh, yeah.
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There are some people that are
so tame when it comes to their,
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when I get to
heaven I'm gonna be happy.
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You know, when I get to heaven,
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you're gonna know exactly that
you're gonna know I'm there.
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Hallelujah. 'Cause
we're gonna rejoice.
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Well, you know,
eternal life starts now.
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You see this is what I
believe. So I'm happy now.
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Okay, I go through some
trials and some tribulations,
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you know, but God said
00:17:51.78\00:17:53.61
that we would have
those to contend with.
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But I have hope over future
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because I know
in whom I believe.
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And I'm just happy now.
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You've got to be happy now
because you're gonna get the--
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you're gonna get the
trials and the tribulations,
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the arrows of life are
gonna be shot your way.
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And especially when Satan
sees that where you're aiming
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is exactly where
God wants you to be.
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He's gonna try to create that--
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Let me use a
Brooklyn word, that pothole.
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Hello. Okay.
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There are some nice
streets outside of Brooklyn
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but periodically I'm reminded
when I speed down the street.
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Well, you're in
Brooklyn, there is that pothole.
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Well, no, I got a news for you.
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I have found the potholes
in every place I have ever been
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Because I'm very well aware
that we are dealing with forces,
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demonic forces in
the heavenly realms.
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You know, people want
to blame God for stuff,
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they forget about the fact that
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there are something
else in that picture,
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or someone else in that picture.
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So I know about
the potholes of life,
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but I know that
praise and worship
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and the blood of
Jesus fills the cracks.
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Amen. You know.
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So I just get very excited
and yeah, I go through pain.
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That book is born of
pain, my music is born of pain.
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My graphics, you know,
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that we have not
discussed are born of pain.
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But the cross was
about pain born for our sin,
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so that we could
have the hope of tomorrow.
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And I have that hope
today because I believe today
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what the Lord
said about tomorrow.
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You know, the
chapter entitled "Image."
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Now let me put
this together here.
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We have scars in life.
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Every one is gonna get a scar,
but briefly talk about the scars
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but then also let me ask
you, is the pain still there?
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I'm talking about in
the context of image.
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Because I thought that
was a very unusual title,
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so many things
but image in that.
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Tell me how is that fit?
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Well, you know, that came
out of as a kid, you know,
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you look at show business
from a different point of view.
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You can only see
the glamorous side,
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you don't know about the
hard work that's involved there.
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But, you know, in
this whole context
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you really
concerned about the outside.
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God wants us to be
beautiful on the inside
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and to radiate
that beauty from within
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His beauty, His glory.
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But at the same time I
remember being in Monte Carlo
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and bumping into the very well
known designer Karl Lagerfeld.
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And I was so thrilled, you know,
00:20:22.84\00:20:24.49
I was so very much, you know,
into fashion and haute couture,
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this was the French days.
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And I remember being
so excited and saying,
00:20:30.65\00:20:32.76
"Oh, Mr.
Lagerfeld, Mr. Lagerfeld.
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I'm so excited to meet you."
00:20:34.64\00:20:36.32
And he was very, very
refined and he had his fan
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and he has his dark
sunglasses and his black suit
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and white tie and you know.
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Tugged together.
Yeah, he was just done.
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And I remember that
Mr. Lagerfeld did this.
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Thank you.
00:20:50.47\00:20:52.39
He looked me from
head to toe in 30 seconds
00:20:52.42\00:20:55.87
but it just occurred to me,
00:20:55.90\00:20:57.67
how people can
makeup their minds about you
00:20:57.70\00:21:00.69
and make judgments about you
00:21:00.72\00:21:02.44
based on the
outside that quickly.
00:21:02.47\00:21:06.00
The Book of Samuel says,
00:21:06.03\00:21:07.73
"Thankfully God
looks at the heart."
00:21:07.76\00:21:10.48
You know, but your
hearts got to be right.
00:21:10.51\00:21:12.39
Because it also says that
00:21:12.42\00:21:13.69
the heart is
deceitful above all things.
00:21:13.72\00:21:16.20
So we have to be
filled with God's word
00:21:16.23\00:21:20.90
so that we're
radiating the right image
00:21:20.93\00:21:23.49
no matter what we're wearing,
00:21:23.52\00:21:25.37
because what we're
wearing is the love of God.
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So would that lead you then
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to one of the
chapters in your book?
00:21:30.66\00:21:31.83
And I really like this one,
00:21:31.86\00:21:32.98
you talked about
praise and thanksgiving. Yes.
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Praise and thanksgiving
is a weapon, a weapon.
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I've just learned that we have
a choice about what we think
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and I didn't know
that until just recently.
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I have a choice, if a
thought comes into my head,
00:21:45.79\00:21:48.75
I'm depressed, I
don't have to go there,
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I don't have to
believe that, you know.
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The Book of Matthew says,
"Take no thought in saying."
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Okay, in Matthew
6:33. That's good.
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"Take no thought in saying."
Once you've said it you own it.
00:22:01.43\00:22:04.42
So I don't have to go there.
00:22:04.45\00:22:06.06
I don't have to
agree with the enemy's
00:22:06.09\00:22:10.82
little whispering
in my ear, you know.
00:22:10.85\00:22:13.48
So I can go-- you know,
00:22:13.51\00:22:15.87
God has given me
a garment of praise
00:22:15.90\00:22:18.28
for the spirit of
heaviness, I pull out the sword.
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You know, I really was impressed
by hearing another evangelist
00:22:20.88\00:22:24.93
talk about Christ in
the wilderness, you know.
00:22:24.96\00:22:28.10
He never tried to
speak his own words.
00:22:28.13\00:22:30.96
He always said, it is written.
00:22:30.99\00:22:33.17
But you got to know what's
written in order to say it.
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So I've written this
book as a map for people
00:22:36.26\00:22:39.79
in these 14
different categories,
00:22:39.82\00:22:42.40
so that they have some swords
00:22:42.43\00:22:44.52
that are praise and
thanksgiving against the enemy.
00:22:44.55\00:22:48.34
I'm so mindful of that sword,
because the children of Israel,
00:22:48.37\00:22:51.48
the people of God and it's
not just exclusive to them,
00:22:51.51\00:22:55.45
but whenever the people
of God go through trials,
00:22:55.48\00:22:58.07
praise and
thanksgiving is a weapon.
00:22:58.10\00:23:00.60
It's not what you
do after the battle.
00:23:00.63\00:23:03.00
This side of the
Red Sea. There you go.
00:23:03.03\00:23:04.87
This side of the Red Sea.
00:23:04.90\00:23:05.93
But see what we get caught up in
00:23:05.96\00:23:07.40
and God have shown me
in my own life, confession.
00:23:07.43\00:23:10.95
Everything in the Bible is based
on the sowing and the reaping.
00:23:10.98\00:23:15.85
God will not be mocked, okay,
as you sow so shall you reap.
00:23:15.88\00:23:20.84
But if you say a negative words,
00:23:20.87\00:23:22.84
you're gonna get a
negative tree, okay.
00:23:22.87\00:23:27.01
So you want good trees,
you got to start sowing,
00:23:27.04\00:23:29.64
you got to start speaking
what the word of God says.
00:23:29.67\00:23:32.34
So praise and
thanksgiving is a weapon.
00:23:32.37\00:23:34.29
I worship You, Lord. Why?
00:23:34.32\00:23:36.01
Because You are
awesome. You are powerful.
00:23:36.04\00:23:37.96
You are my deliver.
You are my strong tower.
00:23:37.99\00:23:40.31
But if I'm there I can't
be in, oh, I'm depressed.
00:23:40.34\00:23:44.43
And how fitting it is
to be in a high place.
00:23:44.46\00:23:46.61
And let me just
put this together here.
00:23:46.64\00:23:48.20
You know, a visible role in life
00:23:48.23\00:23:51.92
that God has given you to
walk in to play to His glory
00:23:51.95\00:23:55.21
it's not a safe
place for a lot of people,
00:23:55.24\00:23:57.56
but a person who
is in the will of God
00:23:57.59\00:24:00.56
can occupy a
visible world safely.
00:24:00.59\00:24:04.38
You know what? I humble myself.
00:24:04.41\00:24:06.74
I thank you for
even articulating
00:24:06.77\00:24:09.81
words like that
relating to me at all.
00:24:09.84\00:24:12.27
Anything that I am is
because of Christ in me.
00:24:12.30\00:24:16.81
And I've gone
through some real pain.
00:24:16.84\00:24:19.09
I've been through
clinical depression.
00:24:19.12\00:24:20.72
I know what that's like.
00:24:20.75\00:24:22.40
You know, I have
first hand experience.
00:24:22.43\00:24:27.34
You know, weight
gain and fighting
00:24:27.37\00:24:29.99
that problem, you know.
00:24:30.02\00:24:32.68
I have been in a situation
00:24:32.71\00:24:34.71
where I've been physically
abused not by my husband, okay.
00:24:34.74\00:24:38.89
But I've been hurt
by people, you know,
00:24:38.92\00:24:42.30
physically and emotionally
and even spiritually,
00:24:42.33\00:24:46.46
because I didn't
understand the word of God.
00:24:46.49\00:24:49.25
But God takes me
to all those places
00:24:49.28\00:24:52.10
so that I can be a
fit whistle for Him.
00:24:52.13\00:24:54.81
When I realize
that everything I do
00:24:54.84\00:24:57.03
is because of Him
and not because of me
00:24:57.06\00:24:59.87
then I can be, you
know, of use to someone else.
00:24:59.90\00:25:04.16
So high place only
in the palm of God.
00:25:04.19\00:25:10.93
And that's why I said
that because the Lord will--
00:25:10.96\00:25:13.72
He is the one
that holds us there,
00:25:13.75\00:25:16.26
not for our glory
but for His glory.
00:25:16.29\00:25:18.44
Absolutely.
00:25:18.47\00:25:19.50
You know, 2 Peter 3:9,
00:25:19.53\00:25:21.13
"The Lord is not slack
concerning his promise."
00:25:21.16\00:25:24.21
As we're winding up here, tell
me why did you write this book?
00:25:24.24\00:25:28.74
I want to pull that
whole picture together.
00:25:28.77\00:25:31.74
We talked about a lot of things.
00:25:31.77\00:25:33.36
I wrote this book
because one day I was desperate
00:25:33.39\00:25:37.13
it's efore I was a
Seventh-day Adventist Christian,
00:25:37.16\00:25:39.35
before I knew the word of God.
00:25:39.38\00:25:41.36
And I walked into a church on
the Corso in Manly in Australia
00:25:41.39\00:25:46.09
which people that have
visited Australia might know.
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There's only one
church and there was a stand
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that had little pamphlets
and little pieces of paper.
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And on that stand I found
a piece of paper that said,
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"In times of sorrow,
look here in the Bible.
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In times of this
look there in the Bible."
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I had a Bible but I didn't
know where to look for comfort.
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So I soak that up
like water on dry land.
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And then years later I
was in my home in Wangi
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and God said to me, "You know
how you felt that day daughter."
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He said, 'How many people
feel like you did that day?
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I want you to
write a map.'" So I did.
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Wow. And this book is that map.
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This book and the upcoming
DVD are indeed those maps.
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We're looking
forward to that DVD
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'cause the book is
tremendous. Thank you.
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How could we get
a copy of this book?
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It's available on my
website which is heartext,
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you know, heart,
the heart of God.
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heartext.com.au, for
Australia. That's right.
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Well, it's always a blessing
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to see that the
Lord is still in-charge.
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And as you said earlier, He is--
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we are like play-doh
in His hand, like puddy.
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He's shaping us but
whatever doesn't resemble Him,
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He's tossing it away.
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A pleasure to be able to
have you on this program.
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And may the Lord
continue blessing you
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as you move forward
in His everlasting will.
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Thank you, John.
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You know, friends,
the Lord is amazing
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in what He does in our lives.
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And as you have heard
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Francine Bell has
that connection with God,
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that is indelible,
one that cannot be broken
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regardless of the
Lights, Camera, Action.
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And I want to encourage
you, if you're in a place today
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where you feel
that the will of God
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is not yet being
experienced in your life,
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trust the same Lord that
Francine continues to trust
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and you will discover that no
matter what the issues of life,
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the Lord has an
answer for that issue
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whether
depression, doubt, loneliness,
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fear, whatever it maybe,
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today is the day that God wants
to propel you in the direction
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that will give you
lasting joy and lasting peace.
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So whatever the issues,
remember Jesus is the answer.
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God bless you.
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