Welcome to Issues and Answers. 00:00:29.75\00:00:31.44 We have a wonderful program. 00:00:31.48\00:00:33.70 today. We have a special couple 00:00:33.73\00:00:35.37 here. We're going to talk about 00:00:35.40\00:00:36.92 something that I guess pertains 00:00:36.95\00:00:38.85 to most everybody and that is 00:00:38.88\00:00:40.71 Date with a Mate in Mind. I always like to start off 00:00:40.75\00:00:45.23 with a scripture. Today's scripture comes from 00:00:45.24\00:00:47.38 Amos 3:3: Do two walk together unless they have agreed to do 00:00:47.41\00:00:52.64 so. I want to introduce you to my friends. Why I'm saying my 00:00:52.67\00:00:57.00 friends is because we have a Texas boy here and we have an 00:00:57.04\00:01:00.75 Oklahoma girl. Now the ones from Texas would understand what 00:01:00.78\00:01:04.04 we're saying here because she came across the Red River. 00:01:04.08\00:01:08.07 This is Pastor and Pastor Mike and Gayle Tucker. Welcome to 00:01:08.11\00:01:12.07 Issues and Answers. That you very much. 00:01:12.10\00:01:14.23 It's a joy to be here. Well thank you for being here. 00:01:14.26\00:01:17.14 I would like to start off by you just telling us a little bit 00:01:17.18\00:01:20.01 about each one of yourselves before we go into talking about 00:01:20.04\00:01:22.84 finding that special date. 00:01:22.88\00:01:24.63 You bet. Well, I pastor in Arlington, Texas but I'm also 00:01:24.67\00:01:28.65 speaker/director for Faith for Today and Gail and I have been 00:01:28.68\00:01:33.12 pastoring together there for about 14-1/2 year now. 00:01:33.15\00:01:37.73 And we really enjoy getting to work together. It's a blessing. 00:01:37.76\00:01:40.60 We've been married for 31 years 00:01:40.63\00:01:42.64 and (she was 12 when I married 00:01:42.67\00:01:44.34 her.) That's right. I was very 00:01:44.38\00:01:46.37 young of course. We have two 00:01:46.40\00:01:48.15 daughters. They are grown so we 00:01:48.19\00:01:49.87 are empty nesters now. But we really are blessed to be at the 00:01:49.91\00:01:54.35 Arlington church. It's a large church of almost 1,800 members 00:01:54.38\00:01:58.79 so it keeps us busy. 00:01:58.82\00:02:00.92 For the ones that are not familiar with the Arlington 00:02:00.96\00:02:04.44 church, that's in the metroplex. When we talk metroplex we're 00:02:04.48\00:02:07.34 talking about the Dallas/Ft. Worth, Texas area. 00:02:07.37\00:02:09.28 That's right, right between Dallas and Ft. Worth. 00:02:09.31\00:02:11.15 Yes and I think that as well as I understand the Dallas Cowboys 00:02:11.19\00:02:14.09 are going to be in your back yard there. 00:02:14.13\00:02:16.82 Yeah, they'll be in our back yard there, that's right, right. 00:02:16.86\00:02:19.50 So being that I'm from Texas you know I've just always been a 00:02:19.53\00:02:21.94 Dallas Cowboys fan. But that's not what we're here to talk 00:02:21.98\00:02:25.46 about today. No. We're here to talk about Date with a Mate in 00:02:25.49\00:02:30.53 Mind. Now being that the two of you talk in your seminars 00:02:30.57\00:02:35.54 with the youth and singles you certainly are talking about the 00:02:35.58\00:02:39.04 Issues of dating. So what are some of the things that you 00:02:39.08\00:02:42.51 tell these young Christian's about dating? 00:02:42.55\00:02:45.23 Well the first thing is to remember what the purpose of 00:02:45.26\00:02:47.47 dating is. Ultimately it is mate selection. Now there are other 00:02:47.50\00:02:51.56 purposes along with that, having fun and knowing how to 00:02:51.60\00:02:54.47 interact with the opposite sex, but ultimately this is the way 00:02:54.51\00:02:57.50 that we choose a mate; at least it has been in the western world 00:02:57.54\00:03:00.50 for about the last 100-120 years. So it's a rather recent 00:03:00.53\00:03:04.26 sociological phenomenon. It's probably not a very efficient 00:03:04.29\00:03:07.68 way of finding a mate, but if this is what we're stuck with 00:03:07.71\00:03:11.30 we need to find a way to do it well. And with that in mind, 00:03:11.34\00:03:15.47 we've kind of written 10 laws of dating. When we share these 00:03:15.50\00:03:19.40 with young people, it's amazing the response we get. But I also 00:03:19.43\00:03:23.19 find that people who have been singled maybe in their 40s or 00:03:23.22\00:03:26.94 50s or 60, when they follow these same laws they keep 00:03:26.98\00:03:30.95 themselves out of trouble. But anyway if you'd like we can 00:03:30.99\00:03:34.43 start with the laws. You want to do that. 00:03:34.47\00:03:36.02 I'd like to start there. 00:03:36.05\00:03:37.02 Well what we really discover is that people need to think ahead 00:03:37.03\00:03:40.29 of time. You need to make some decisions before you ever start 00:03:40.32\00:03:43.69 dating about what it's going to be like and what your boundaries 00:03:43.73\00:03:47.17 are and that sort of thing. So the very first thing is if it's 00:03:47.20\00:03:50.60 not easy and it's not fun, break up. 00:03:50.64\00:03:53.75 Amen. That's simple isn't it? 00:03:53.79\00:03:56.06 It really is because basically if you're struggling with 00:03:56.09\00:03:59.06 someone to make this thing work... I've had couples come 00:03:59.10\00:04:01.99 to me and say we've been dating now for six months and we've 00:04:02.03\00:04:04.75 really struggled to make this relationship work, would you 00:04:04.79\00:04:08.18 help us? And my answer is No! Break up. You've discovered that 00:04:08.21\00:04:11.57 it's difficult to be in relationship with each other. 00:04:11.61\00:04:13.41 So find someone with whom it's easy to have a relationship and 00:04:13.44\00:04:16.62 date them. But don't date each other. You can be friends but 00:04:16.65\00:04:20.21 don't date each other because that might lead to marriage and 00:04:20.25\00:04:23.33 then in marriage, if you're really struggling to make this 00:04:23.36\00:04:26.65 thing work you consume a lot of energy that could be spent 00:04:26.69\00:04:30.37 creatively elsewhere. So don't do that. Instead break up and 00:04:30.41\00:04:34.06 move on. And I think this tends to be 00:04:34.09\00:04:35.65 particularly true the younger you are. You know if you're 00:04:35.68\00:04:39.19 talking teenagers and high school and you're struggling 00:04:39.23\00:04:42.66 you know why? There's really no point in that. You've already 00:04:42.70\00:04:46.47 proven that it's not a good relationship so you know let it 00:04:46.51\00:04:50.25 go. Don't be too serious. 00:04:50.29\00:04:52.07 Find someone else with whom it's easy to have a relationship, 00:04:52.11\00:04:55.45 because dating should be easy. And really marriage should be 00:04:55.48\00:04:58.49 that way too. Now we know that at times it's not. Sometimes 00:04:58.53\00:05:01.08 there are things you have to work through, but that's a 00:05:01.12\00:05:03.60 committed relationship where the issues need to be worked through 00:05:03.64\00:05:08.03 but in dating that's not it. By definition it is an uncommitted 00:05:08.06\00:05:12.42 relationship and so if it's difficult, move on. 00:05:12.46\00:05:15.67 That second law is to date only from that circle of people you'd 00:05:15.71\00:05:19.45 consider marrying. Now there should be certain nonnegotiables 00:05:19.49\00:05:23.55 that you have, that you choose for a mate and among those, if 00:05:23.58\00:05:27.00 you're a committed Christian, you need a committed Christian 00:05:27.03\00:05:30.90 of about the same level of commitment. If one is really 00:05:30.94\00:05:34.29 committed and the other is not then basically that's being 00:05:34.32\00:05:37.60 unequally yoked together. So you need to have some of those basic 00:05:37.63\00:05:41.73 nonnegotiables, maybe someone who doesn't beat you; that would 00:05:41.76\00:05:45.82 be a nonnegotiable, I would think, you know. Someone who 00:05:45.85\00:05:48.59 you know you know you can trust, is not going to sleep around on 00:05:48.62\00:05:50.92 you. Basically you date from that group of people who would 00:05:50.95\00:05:54.66 potentially be a future mate. 00:05:54.70\00:05:57.51 And I think in this regard, you also have to think about what is 00:05:57.54\00:06:01.83 your spiritual commitment. Do you belong to the same 00:06:01.87\00:06:05.34 denomination? Do you see things the same spiritually? Do they 00:06:05.37\00:06:09.35 have the same type of habits that you do? Is this a person 00:06:09.38\00:06:13.29 who drinks or parties and that's not what you want? You know, you 00:06:13.32\00:06:16.98 have to make those decisions. 00:06:17.02\00:06:18.47 So your value system needs to be similar, yeah. 00:06:18.50\00:06:21.79 That's right. Because if you fall in love with a person, you 00:06:21.83\00:06:24.83 may think well I know I'm not going to marry them, but you're 00:06:24.87\00:06:28.22 running a risk of possibly falling in love with someone and 00:06:28.25\00:06:31.56 then you've got trouble. 00:06:31.60\00:06:33.02 By the way, one of the characteristics of love, 00:06:33.05\00:06:35.56 romantic love, is an ecstatic loss of judgment and so if 00:06:35.60\00:06:39.49 indeed you've fallen in love with someone who was not from 00:06:39.52\00:06:42.54 that circle of people who you might consider as a marriage 00:06:42.58\00:06:45.90 partner you run the risk of marrying someone that if you 00:06:45.93\00:06:49.42 had not lost your judgment you would never have dated, never 00:06:49.45\00:06:53.03 have married. So it's better not to start. Stay within that 00:06:53.07\00:06:56.62 group. I know that my mother preached 00:06:56.65\00:06:58.80 at me, well now I have a brother and sister also, don't go out 00:06:58.83\00:07:02.65 and date someone that you wouldn't think about marrying. 00:07:02.69\00:07:05.74 She was right. You know that was good advice. Of course, now I 00:07:05.77\00:07:08.62 realize. Of course back then we all wanted to do our own thing. 00:07:08.66\00:07:11.47 That's exactly right. But anyway that's law number two 00:07:11.50\00:07:16.38 Okay. Law number 3: If they use, abuse alcohol, prescription 00:07:16.41\00:07:20.86 medications, illegal drugs or mind-altering substances of any 00:07:20.89\00:07:25.30 kind, break up. You would agree with that? 00:07:25.33\00:07:28.98 Most certainly. Okay and a part of that is 00:07:29.02\00:07:32.60 because this is a value system but also over and over again 00:07:32.63\00:07:36.99 we've seen how an addiction to substances becomes the most 00:07:37.03\00:07:41.19 important lover in your life. You begin to choose that 00:07:41.23\00:07:45.32 substance over the people that you should be choosing in your 00:07:45.36\00:07:48.74 life. But there's another reason for this. The day someone starts 00:07:48.77\00:07:52.12 using and especially abusing substances that's the day their 00:07:52.16\00:07:56.39 emotional maturity stops. If you're 16 that day you start 00:07:56.43\00:08:00.70 using and you stop using when you're 38, chronologically you 00:08:00.74\00:08:04.98 are 38, emotionally you're 16. 00:08:05.02\00:08:08.02 I hope that everybody's listening to that right there. 00:08:08.06\00:08:10.14 It's so true. So if you marry someone thinking you're marrying 00:08:10.18\00:08:13.73 someone who's 28 when emotionally they're 16 you don't 00:08:13.77\00:08:18.24 want to marry somebody that you're married to. You want to 00:08:18.28\00:08:21.95 marry someone who has the maturity, the emotional maturity 00:08:21.99\00:08:25.62 So I guess that what you're saying is that it's very 00:08:25.66\00:08:28.40 important and people should not hesitate to find out a little 00:08:28.44\00:08:31.80 bit of history about someone because a lot of people may 00:08:31.83\00:08:35.49 think that they're past that but they need to just go back. 00:08:35.52\00:08:39.25 Oh yes, I did some recreational drugs or I might have been in a 00:08:39.29\00:08:42.99 party scene. That's something important to find out. 00:08:43.02\00:08:44.66 It is important to find out and then to find out what level of 00:08:44.69\00:08:48.05 recovery they've experienced. Because you know the Lord heals 00:08:48.08\00:08:51.26 and it's true that not everyone that has used in the past will 00:08:51.29\00:08:54.35 use in the future, but it's still something important to 00:08:54.38\00:08:57.36 know and certainly if they're doing this now this is something 00:08:57.40\00:09:00.85 you need to distance yourself some. Some people say will how 00:09:00.88\00:09:04.78 can I witness to them if I break up with them? And the truth is 00:09:04.82\00:09:09.12 that evangelism by dating is a very poor form of evangelism. 00:09:09.15\00:09:13.44 It never works. You instead become codependent, you become 00:09:13.47\00:09:17.72 a rescuer and that's unhealthy in the relationship. 00:09:17.75\00:09:20.22 It's an area where people tend to make excuses sometimes 00:09:20.25\00:09:23.91 because they want the relationship so badly that they 00:09:23.94\00:09:27.53 will look at it and say, no it's really okay. I know this exists 00:09:27.56\00:09:32.15 but we're going to make it through this. It's going to be 00:09:32.19\00:09:35.60 okay. I talked to a gentleman one time and he knew that the 00:09:35.63\00:09:39.00 person he was dating was an alcoholic. Somehow 00:09:39.04\00:09:43.35 the conversation turned to drinking and driving and he said 00:09:43.38\00:09:47.99 You know really she does well with that. He said, actually she 00:09:48.02\00:09:52.59 drives better than most people do when they're not drunk. 00:09:52.63\00:09:56.46 And I said, did you hear what you just said; that's not 00:09:56.50\00:10:00.76 possible. But he wanted the relationship so badly that he 00:10:00.80\00:10:05.26 was willing to make excuses and to place himself and her in a 00:10:05.30\00:10:09.17 very bad situation, because it doesn't help her, it doesn't 00:10:09.20\00:10:13.04 help him. Which brings us to law number 4 00:10:13.08\00:10:16.64 which I think is kind of a related law because it goes hand 00:10:16.68\00:10:20.58 in hand very often with drinking and substance abuse and that 00:10:20.62\00:10:24.64 is if either party needs to rescue, fix, or change or to be 00:10:24.68\00:10:28.64 rescued, fixed or changed, break up. Now that doesn't just occur 00:10:28.67\00:10:33.93 in situations of substance abuse Other people are rescuers or 00:10:33.97\00:10:39.19 fixers or changers without the 00:10:39.23\00:10:42.81 substances but it's an unhealthy way to love. We're talking about 00:10:42.85\00:10:46.53 codependency here; needing to be rescued or to rescue and if 00:10:46.57\00:10:49.97 that's occurring in the relationship, it's time to break 00:10:50.01\00:10:53.34 up and fix yourself. Get some help so that you don't fall back 00:10:53.37\00:10:57.22 into that sort of relationship. It's a sick love. 00:10:57.26\00:10:59.84 I know I've experienced some friends like that. They are 00:10:59.88\00:11:03.34 rescuers and bless their little 00:11:03.37\00:11:05.40 hearts, you know, their heart 00:11:05.43\00:11:07.02 was good. In fact most of the 00:11:07.06\00:11:08.58 time their heart is more precious than most people 00:11:08.61\00:11:11.84 but they always get themselves caught in a bind because of 00:11:11.88\00:11:16.27 rescuing, you know. Then they felt committed, then you spend 00:11:16.31\00:11:19.98 time, then there's that guilt that you have to overcome to 00:11:20.01\00:11:23.14 get past there because you've committed and they need you 00:11:23.17\00:11:25.91 then that's that codependency that you're talking about. 00:11:25.94\00:11:29.07 It's an area where it's easy for you to be pressured, 00:11:29.10\00:11:32.16 especially if you're thinking in terms of spiritual rescuing. 00:11:32.20\00:11:36.95 There are a lot of young women especially who think, oh I know 00:11:36.99\00:11:41.54 that he'll learn to love the Lord if I just stay with him and 00:11:41.58\00:11:46.74 I'm going to be his savior in a way. And it happens where he 00:11:46.78\00:11:51.15 puts the pressure on where he says you know I'm never going 00:11:51.19\00:11:54.73 to go to heaven if you don't stay with me; you've got to stay 00:11:54.76\00:11:58.27 with me. A lot of them use suicide. 00:11:58.30\00:12:00.78 I'll kill myself. You bet. What kind of a relationship is 00:12:00.82\00:12:05.68 that if you have to beg someone or I'll kill myself or I'm not 00:12:05.72\00:12:09.57 going to heaven without you. That's putting too much pressure 00:12:09.60\00:12:13.42 on a person. It's just an extremely unhealthy 00:12:13.45\00:12:16.08 relationship to be in. So how would you handle that? 00:12:16.12\00:12:18.75 Basically it's time to break up and then you begin to ask some 00:12:18.79\00:12:22.70 questions of yourself. What made me vulnerable to that kind of 00:12:22.73\00:12:26.32 relationship. Is this a pattern that I've repeated in my life? 00:12:26.36\00:12:30.25 And if so, maybe I need to seek some help so that I can love in 00:12:30.29\00:12:34.15 a healthy way rather than in an unhealthy way. 00:12:34.18\00:12:37.46 Because a lot of people get caught in that squirrel cage 00:12:37.50\00:12:39.80 don't they? You know they just repeat, repeat, repeat. They'll 00:12:39.84\00:12:43.76 continue to be a rescuer. 00:12:43.79\00:12:45.42 That's why second marriages fail at an alarmingly higher 00:12:45.46\00:12:48.90 rate than do first marriages. We repeat the same mistakes. 00:12:48.93\00:12:52.23 So someone says I'll never do that again. Well typically they 00:12:52.26\00:12:56.01 do and so second marriages and third marriages fail at an even 00:12:56.05\00:13:00.40 higher rate unless you identify what it was about me that caused 00:13:00.44\00:13:04.51 this relationship to fail. Not just my partner but me, so that 00:13:04.55\00:13:08.61 that can be fixed in me and I can move on to a healthy form of 00:13:08.65\00:13:12.68 love. I think that once you've 00:13:12.71\00:13:14.48 realized that you can't be the rescuer, you can't be the 00:13:14.52\00:13:16.65 savior, I think it's important then to say will how can I help 00:13:16.69\00:13:20.66 that individual and to funnel them to someone who can help 00:13:20.70\00:13:24.64 them because a dating relationship is not the place 00:13:24.67\00:13:27.77 for the help. And I think that's a very valid 00:13:27.80\00:13:30.66 point right there because people don't know what to do and 00:13:30.70\00:13:33.94 especially if they're young so then they get caught. So repeat 00:13:33.97\00:13:37.17 that. So they need then to turn that person to someone that's 00:13:37.20\00:13:41.33 more mature that they explain this so that there's an exit 00:13:41.37\00:13:44.51 strategy there that they can get out and go ahead with their 00:13:44.54\00:13:47.65 life. I actually had this happen when 00:13:47.68\00:13:50.69 I was a young person. There was a young man that I was dating 00:13:50.73\00:13:54.42 and he was just struggling with different things, alcohol and 00:13:54.46\00:13:58.12 things and I said you know I can't do that. But I had a 00:13:58.15\00:14:02.67 little bit of the rescuer in me you know and I was worried well 00:14:02.71\00:14:06.42 who's going to help, he's not going to go to heaven. But I had 00:14:06.45\00:14:10.13 a conversation with him finally. I said I cannot do this. 00:14:10.16\00:14:13.52 It's not going to work but there's this coach over here 00:14:13.56\00:14:16.85 and I know that he loves you and he can help you. So sometimes 00:14:16.89\00:14:22.17 you've just got to think about how can I help them and realize 00:14:22.20\00:14:26.17 that dating is not the way but there are people that can help. 00:14:26.21\00:14:29.46 Well I just know that the Holy Spirit is impressing me right 00:14:29.50\00:14:32.31 now that people out there need to hear that, that there is a 00:14:32.34\00:14:35.08 coach over there. You know, pass that baton over to them. They're 00:14:35.12\00:14:40.68 more mature and they can help them and you can be helped at 00:14:40.71\00:14:44.15 the same time. I just think that's so important because I 00:14:44.18\00:14:47.55 feel like a lot of people get trapped out there, at least they 00:14:47.59\00:14:50.61 feel like they do. He was a wonderful young man 00:14:50.64\00:14:53.06 and today he's strong in the Lord. 00:14:53.09\00:14:59.66 The other problem with this is that sometimes when you refer 00:14:59.70\00:15:03.03 them on that person will tank. They'll hit bottom and then you 00:15:03.07\00:15:06.37 begin to feel guilty. That is another symptom of the 00:15:06.40\00:15:09.36 codependent relationship that you've been in because the 00:15:09.40\00:15:12.33 decision was the other individuals who hit bottom; 00:15:12.36\00:15:14.42 it was their choice and not your responsibility, not your 00:15:14.46\00:15:17.67 fault so we need to identify that as false guilt and get rid 00:15:17.71\00:15:20.89 of it and move on. Are you ready for law number 5? 00:15:20.92\00:15:24.32 You bet man. This is good stuff. 00:15:24.35\00:15:26.48 Law number 5 says that if either party tends to control, dominate 00:15:26.52\00:15:32.25 or isolate the other party from friends or family, break up. 00:15:32.28\00:15:35.95 When you are in a situation where you realize you know I 00:15:35.98\00:15:39.52 haven't seen my family for a while. He never seems to want 00:15:39.56\00:15:43.45 to go there. He doesn't like my friends or she doesn't want me 00:15:43.49\00:15:47.35 to be with the people I've always loved. It's a red flag. 00:15:47.38\00:15:52.15 What's going on here? 00:15:52.18\00:15:53.15 I know that we just experienced up in our department a friend of 00:15:53.16\00:15:57.75 a friend that got engaged and then all of a sudden once they 00:15:57.78\00:16:02.09 got the engagement then all of a sudden the other party wanted 00:16:02.12\00:16:05.71 well we can't be around your parents. I want you to come over 00:16:05.74\00:16:09.02 here. You know there's that separation thing. Well boy the 00:16:09.06\00:16:12.31 red flag went up then and so within two weeks that 00:16:12.34\00:16:16.00 relationship was over. Thank goodness that she was bright 00:16:16.04\00:16:19.83 enough and that she was healthy enough to see that flag and get 00:16:19.87\00:16:22.98 out of it. I think that's key is having a 00:16:23.02\00:16:26.29 healthy spiritual life and a healthy outlook so that you do 00:16:26.32\00:16:29.64 recognize those things. 00:16:29.68\00:16:30.65 It is true that another symptom of romantic love is the desire 00:16:30.66\00:16:34.31 for exclusivity, you know, just the two of us, but when that 00:16:34.34\00:16:37.13 comes to the point where I'm going to keep her away from her 00:16:37.17\00:16:40.00 away from her family or her from her friends and I'm really 00:16:40.04\00:16:42.84 beginning to control his environment, that's extremely 00:16:42.87\00:16:45.85 unhealthy. Our solution to this is, first of all, break up and 00:16:45.89\00:16:49.98 some people say well when do you work out your love problems? 00:16:50.01\00:16:54.10 You work them out when you're not dating. Within in the dating 00:16:54.13\00:16:57.64 context this is not a good place to begin to work out your 00:16:57.67\00:17:01.64 problems. Stop dating, get help, get yourself straight, then 00:17:01.68\00:17:05.62 enter back into the dating relationship. But dating 00:17:05.65\00:17:08.52 actually confuses the process of your getting help and getting 00:17:08.56\00:17:13.01 "fixed" emotionally and spiritually. So it's usually 00:17:13.04\00:17:16.37 better to stop the dating process, put it on hold and say 00:17:16.40\00:17:19.66 all right, what led me into this and how do I need to fix this? 00:17:19.69\00:17:22.67 Boy this is something that you'd think ought to be taught 00:17:22.71\00:17:25.22 early in school because... 00:17:25.25\00:17:28.09 And marriage is a kind of on-the-job training kind of a 00:17:28.13\00:17:34.57 thing and it shouldn't be that way. We should learn beforehand 00:17:34.61\00:17:38.39 what our patterns are, what we're looking for in someone 00:17:38.42\00:17:41.40 else and that's what dating can accomplish but even then I think 00:17:41.44\00:17:45.87 we have to approach dating in a healthy way. 00:17:45.91\00:17:47.83 If you're going to make the biggest decision of your life 00:17:47.87\00:17:51.32 next to following Jesus Christ through this dating process, 00:17:51.36\00:17:54.73 you probably ought to have a plan in mind. You ought to know 00:17:54.76\00:17:57.40 where you're going and how you're going to get there and 00:17:57.43\00:18:00.00 that means there have got to be some guidelines or if you don't 00:18:00.03\00:18:02.93 have a direct course, you're going to end up who knows 00:18:02.96\00:18:06.03 where and that's not the kind of thing you want for a 00:18:06.07\00:18:09.10 marriage. No, no, you know there's a road 00:18:09.13\00:18:14.08 block before you ever get started. My goodness. 00:18:14.12\00:18:17.60 That's true. Well law number 5 is important but 5 is important 00:18:17.64\00:18:23.10 because it is a prelude to number 6. Where there is 00:18:23.14\00:18:26.94 controlling behavior very often then we get to number 6 and that 00:18:26.98\00:18:29.83 is if they are physically or verbally abusive, break up. 00:18:29.87\00:18:33.67 Usually in relationship that starts with control and then it 00:18:33.70\00:18:37.83 goes to physical or verbal abuse and anytime someone hits 00:18:37.86\00:18:41.42 anytime someone is verbally abusive, anytime they are 00:18:41.45\00:18:45.34 emotionally or spiritually abusive, you've got to get out 00:18:45.37\00:18:49.18 of this relationship. And how many times have we heard people 00:18:49.22\00:18:52.66 say well you know it really wasn't his fault, I made him 00:18:52.70\00:18:55.41 angry. Yeah, if I only had just stopped, if I hadn't done this 00:18:55.44\00:18:59.56 he wouldn't have hit or he wouldn't have what it happens 00:18:59.60\00:19:02.98 to be. That's the rationalization of a victim. 00:19:03.02\00:19:05.93 That is victim thinking. And when you find a person who is in 00:19:05.97\00:19:09.46 a marriage or a long-term dating relationship who is making 00:19:09.49\00:19:13.38 excuses for their partner who hits them or who verbally 00:19:13.41\00:19:17.23 abuses them they have taken on the victim mentality and it's a 00:19:17.27\00:19:20.83 very deadly form of thinking, something that's difficult to 00:19:20.86\00:19:24.88 break out of because we begin to excuse, we make excuses for, 00:19:24.91\00:19:28.57 we assume the guilt and the blame ourselves. That's victim 00:19:28.60\00:19:32.22 mentality and it's extremely unhealthy. 00:19:32.25\00:19:34.78 The sad thing today is how many young people there are that are 00:19:34.81\00:19:39.51 in dating relationships in high school or even junior high where 00:19:39.55\00:19:44.21 they are experiencing physical abuse from a boyfriend, a 00:19:44.25\00:19:47.91 girlfriend and they think it's just the way it is. 00:19:47.95\00:19:51.77 Statistics are alarming as to how many high school kids are 00:19:51.81\00:19:55.80 abused physically, even sexually and certainly verbally and 00:19:55.84\00:19:59.52 emotionally in a dating relationship and think that this 00:19:59.55\00:20:03.20 is okay or they stay with it for some reason. 00:20:03.23\00:20:06.20 So this is across cultural lines then? 00:20:06.23\00:20:08.85 Absolutely, absolutely. It's a sad situation. 00:20:08.89\00:20:12.85 It is a very sad situation and it's a very dangerous situation 00:20:12.89\00:20:16.20 because sometimes that controlling and then abusive 00:20:16.23\00:20:19.12 behavior can lead to something very, very serious. There are 00:20:19.16\00:20:23.93 men and woman who die every year as a result of this. You have 00:20:23.97\00:20:28.65 to be somewhat mentally unstable to be that kind of a controller 00:20:28.68\00:20:33.32 Certainly there is a lot of self doubt, there's a lot of 00:20:33.36\00:20:37.04 insecurity on the part of the controller and that's just a 00:20:37.07\00:20:40.72 very unstable situation in which to find yourself. 00:20:40.76\00:20:44.17 Some people say well he only hit me once. The truth is he will 00:20:44.21\00:20:50.45 hit, he has hit, he will hit again, don't kid yourself. 00:20:50.48\00:20:55.32 Don't think well I'll be better next time and this will be all 00:20:55.35\00:21:00.17 right. Break up. Let him get help or her get help and then 00:21:00.20\00:21:04.77 let them move on. But this is a hitter, because they have hit, 00:21:04.80\00:21:09.33 hitters hit. So move on at that point. 00:21:09.37\00:21:11.90 Do you find out that that might be learned behavior? 00:21:11.93\00:21:15.56 Oh yes. It usually is. Almost always. They have probably 00:21:15.59\00:21:19.15 experienced that themselves or at least witnessed it. They've 00:21:19.18\00:21:23.18 seen that as a way to get your way, to control the situation. 00:21:23.22\00:21:27.14 And at the very least you know you mentioned that sometimes 00:21:27.18\00:21:30.84 it leads even to death and things like that. At the very 00:21:30.88\00:21:34.48 least it's always going to lead to a loss of self-worth in the 00:21:34.51\00:21:38.54 person who's experiencing that in the victim and they begin to 00:21:38.58\00:21:43.23 see the world in a very unreal way that they are not worthy of 00:21:43.27\00:21:47.33 anything and I deserve this. They pass that on; you know in 00:21:47.36\00:21:51.15 a marriage relationship it passes on to children. The far 00:21:51.19\00:21:54.94 reaching effects are amazing. 00:21:54.97\00:21:56.75 Generation to generation, these things. The person who hits has 00:21:56.79\00:22:00.92 usually been abused. In fact, someone who is abused is five 00:22:00.95\00:22:05.88 times as likely to abuse as anyone else so if you find abuse 00:22:05.91\00:22:10.53 in your home your children are more likely to pass this on and 00:22:10.57\00:22:15.12 to carry the same characteristic That's why it's got to be nipped 00:22:15.16\00:22:19.67 here. So in 25 words or less if a 00:22:19.71\00:22:22.63 young man, let's just say, comes out of a home that his father 00:22:22.66\00:22:27.29 was a hitter and he chose not to do that but it may be innate 00:22:27.32\00:22:31.38 does he need to seek help at that particular time to divert 00:22:31.41\00:22:35.43 his aggressions. Chances are there will be some 00:22:35.47\00:22:38.89 signs of this going on in his life beforehand. There will be 00:22:38.92\00:22:42.46 an anger issue, some self-esteem 00:22:42.49\00:22:44.84 problems, maybe some history of 00:22:44.87\00:22:46.98 violence some place in order for 00:22:47.02\00:22:49.06 this to begin to reveal itself in a relationship. But it's 00:22:49.09\00:22:52.16 never a bad idea if you come from that environment to say 00:22:52.20\00:22:55.25 you know it's not a bad idea; let's get some help and do a 00:22:55.28\00:22:58.30 check up and just make sure that I'm all right. 00:22:58.34\00:23:01.07 The good news is that you can break the cycle. Yes. You know 00:23:01.10\00:23:04.81 it doesn't have to go from generation to generation. 00:23:04.84\00:23:06.88 You can be the person who makes that decision, it's not going 00:23:06.92\00:23:10.79 any further. It stops here. This can be a dynamic factor 00:23:10.83\00:23:14.49 rather than a static factor and so let's take those dynamic 00:23:14.53\00:23:18.16 factors, change them to the glory of God and move on. 00:23:18.20\00:23:21.62 Number 7 and this is one that I really think is important and 00:23:21.66\00:23:28.59 that is know how far is too far before you date. 00:23:28.63\00:23:32.48 Now there's not a person out there dating who doesn't know 00:23:32.51\00:23:35.03 exactly what I'm talking about. How far is too far? 00:23:35.06\00:23:38.70 I think the key word is "before" 00:23:38.74\00:23:41.90 and parents listening to this program you need to be aware of 00:23:41.93\00:23:46.39 this in training your children as they are young that they have 00:23:46.42\00:23:50.89 these decisions made. Because you can't make a good decision 00:23:50.93\00:23:54.64 in the heat of the moment. You have to make the decision 00:23:54.68\00:23:58.36 beforehand. I will go this far and no further. 00:23:58.39\00:24:02.08 If the first time that this thought occurs to you you're in 00:24:02.12\00:24:05.30 the backseat of a car, this is not a good sign. You're in 00:24:05.33\00:24:08.17 You're in trouble. I wonder if this is too far? That's a bad 00:24:08.21\00:24:11.71 sign. It's better to make that decision beforehand. When I 00:24:11.74\00:24:15.14 started dating Gayle, she had a reputation and the reputation 00:24:15.18\00:24:18.55 was she had very definite boundaries. The young men that 00:24:18.58\00:24:22.71 I knew who knew her said, Listen, she knows who she is, 00:24:22.74\00:24:26.79 she knows what her boundaries are. That drew me to her. If you 00:24:26.83\00:24:30.45 want to know the truth, it did. 00:24:30.48\00:24:31.63 You know I think the thing that created that though was having 00:24:31.67\00:24:35.62 parents and particularly having a father who was active in my 00:24:35.66\00:24:39.63 life, who allowed me to know that I was a person of value 00:24:39.67\00:24:43.58 because of my relationship with him and my beauty lay somewhere 00:24:43.61\00:24:48.01 else other than what someone could do on the back seat of a 00:24:48.04\00:24:52.40 car. So fathers, it's tremendously important that they 00:24:52.44\00:24:56.41 be active and a part of their little girl's life. 00:24:56.45\00:25:00.35 I hope all the fathers out there are listening to that right 00:25:00.39\00:25:03.10 there. That's true. The research bears 00:25:03.14\00:25:05.17 this out that if a father is close to his daughter it really 00:25:05.20\00:25:09.93 pays dividends for her future relationships, it pays dividends 00:25:09.96\00:25:14.46 in her maintaining virginity until marriage and purity until 00:25:14.50\00:25:18.63 marriage. And it pays dividends in her self-worth and then in 00:25:18.66\00:25:22.75 her ability to relate in a healthy way to a man in 00:25:22.79\00:25:25.99 marriage. Fathers are key in this. Some people have asked 00:25:26.03\00:25:30.40 me well Pastor how far is too far? My answer to this is young 00:25:30.43\00:25:34.56 ladies, any part of your body that you would not show to me 00:25:34.59\00:25:39.50 as a pastor is a part of your body that he should neither see 00:25:39.53\00:25:44.40 nor touch. What a wonderful rule. In fact, it worked. 00:25:44.44\00:25:49.15 They say there's not a lot I'm going to show to you pastor. 00:25:49.18\00:25:52.11 Well good. That's as it should be. So don't show it to him 00:25:52.14\00:25:55.00 either and don't let him touch it. You know that's reserved for 00:25:55.03\00:25:58.56 marriage. It's really that simple. 00:25:58.59\00:26:00.65 Well time goes by so fast. We've got two minutes left. Why don't 00:26:00.69\00:26:04.78 you take 90 seconds to give us the other two or three or sum 00:26:04.81\00:26:08.87 up. Okay. Law number 8: if you find 00:26:08.91\00:26:10.64 it difficult to talk or to be accurately understood or if you 00:26:10.67\00:26:14.29 find that you avoid unpleasant issues in the relationship, 00:26:14.32\00:26:17.90 break up. You've got communication issues. 00:26:17.94\00:26:19.92 Number 9: If you have been the victim of molestation, incest or 00:26:19.95\00:26:24.23 rape, get help before you date seriously because this will 00:26:24.27\00:26:27.87 affect every relationship in your life, especially marriage 00:26:27.91\00:26:31.48 relationships and intimacy in marriage. 00:26:31.52\00:26:32.96 And the last one is probably the most important of all is 00:26:32.99\00:26:36.25 just surrender your dating life and your sexuality to Jesus, 00:26:36.29\00:26:39.52 because he will be your guide and he will do it. 00:26:39.55\00:26:43.38 So that should be 1A, 2A and all the way through. 00:26:43.41\00:26:47.21 That should be all the way through. 00:26:47.24\00:26:48.87 So summarize them really quick in say 40 seconds. 00:26:48.91\00:26:52.46 In 40 seconds, if you're going to date you need to date to find 00:26:52.50\00:26:56.01 a mate and that means that you have to have a plan in mind. 00:26:56.05\00:27:00.18 Our 10 commandments here of dating or 10 laws of dating are 00:27:00.22\00:27:03.80 pretty good guidelines for you. You may add or subtract from 00:27:03.83\00:27:07.20 this, but you need a plan and a direction, a focus, so you'll 00:27:07.23\00:27:10.56 know where you're going, otherwise you're going to end up 00:27:10.60\00:27:13.77 who knows where. Yes, yes, I mean this is 00:27:13.80\00:27:16.69 absolutely fantastic and I know that a lot of parents and a lot 00:27:16.72\00:27:20.10 of kids out there have heard every word that you said. 00:27:20.13\00:27:22.73 This would be a good book. 00:27:22.76\00:27:24.32 Yeah, I'm working on it. 00:27:24.35\00:27:25.84 I imagine that you are working on it. We're are just so tickled 00:27:25.87\00:27:29.17 that you are here with us today. There are going to be additional 00:27:29.20\00:27:32.12 programs so I know that people will want to see. I think that 00:27:32.13\00:27:34.91 the next program that we're going to be doing is how to 00:27:34.92\00:27:38.19 select a Christian mate and that's something that everybody 00:27:38.23\00:27:39.48 would like to know. Anyway, we just want to thank 00:27:39.51\00:27:43.31 each one of you out there for watching Issues and Answers 00:27:43.35\00:27:46.77 today and we just ask that God bless you and just give you more 00:27:46.81\00:27:51.38 than you would ever think that would be possible. 00:27:51.42\00:27:53.93 God bless you. We love you. 00:27:53.97\00:27:59.59