Hello, I'm J.D. Quinn. We
have a wonderful time today
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in store for you. This is
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Issues and Answers and I've got
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such a precious gentleman here.
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We're going to share something
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that normally is normal but then
on the other side it could be
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detrimental. But first I want to
go to Ephesians 4:26, and this
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is dealing with anger. When
angry do not sin. Very simple,
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but what an important message.
I want to introduce to you
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Ron Lee. Ron, how
are you doing today?
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I'm doing great. You
have just gone over a
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little bit of your story and
it's absolutely fantastic and I
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just know that whenever we
present this to our viewing
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audience out there that they
are going to be touched because
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some people are going to be able
to identify with what you're
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talking about. First of all tell
me a little bit about where you
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came from, where do you
live and we'll just start there.
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Well, we currently live in
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Nebraska, up in the northwest
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panhandle, Shatteren. We've been
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out there for 18 years. We came
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from the west coast and
God blessed by taking us there.
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We love it. I was kind of
shocked at first thinking I
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don't want to go there. But
God knew better and he worked
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through the wife to softly
invite me and we got to move.
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We got to go to a different area
and so we're thankful that we
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did. Well I can imagine it was a
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little bit different coming from
the west coast into the mid-west
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but anyway. It's a
definite culture shock.
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Tell me, where does your story
start? Because like I say we're
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dealing with anger and whenever
I'm just sitting here visiting
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with you, you just look
like you've got it all together.
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You love the Lord so I know that
we've got another side here.
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So let's go back and start
wherever this started, whenever
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you started
suppressing this anger.
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I think my story started at home
in an "Adventist" environment.
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My dad was a very angry person
and we were physically abused
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by both mom and dad, dad
specifically in a very violent
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way. That created an
anger which led to rebellion.
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This was in an Adventist home
where I heard the word love but
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I didn't feel love. I got this
feeling inside me if this is
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what love is all about and if
this is what Jesus is all about,
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because I kept hearing that name
then I didn't want anything to
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do with it. So I needed
acceptance, I needed love and I
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found acceptance through
criminals basically and just
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the street life and that led to
a very abrupt stop in my normal
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functioning. At 17 years old,
soon to turn 18, I was arrested
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for involuntary manslaughter.
That was quite a shocker at
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home. When I was awakened
at 1:30 in the morning by my
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dad who when he went to bed
everybody went to bed and there
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was no noise. He was pretty
upset. He said, get downstairs,
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somebody wants to talk to you
and I came down the long stairs,
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turned the corner and the
sheriff knocked me on the ground
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and said, you're under arrest.
Mom started screaming, where did
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we go wrong. I jumped up and
said I could give you an answer
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for that. In my damaged way,
I didn't know exactly what that
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meant but I know that something
was amiss in this story called
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Christianity. So that was
the beginning of a spiral.
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So I guess that your feelings
started being suppressed so
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rather than out professing
Christianity, loving your
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brother and sister, because
you were seeing hypocrisy in the
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home. So you decided that I will
join up with these friends over
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here because at least black
is black and white is white.
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What happened next? Okay, so
you went in for manslaughter?
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Well I was looking at quite a
long time and those of you who
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have been in there know
that those places are not fun.
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Fortunate for me, and there
are times in my life when I've
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wondered was I fortunate?
But I was brought down to the
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interrogating room and offered
a choice of stop pleading not
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guilty and basically they laid
it in my lap. You know you're
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guilty and we know you're
guilty. If you'll stop pleading
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not guilty and sign on the
dotted line here we'll put you
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in the military. Right about
that time my father was standing
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behind me and buried a boot
in my backside and I didn't even
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see it coming and then that
created more anger and then I
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did decide to go in the military
and that, long and short of it,
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led me to Viet Nam. Now you're
going to teach me how to kill
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right, if there is a right
way, and we know there is not.
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The Bible says thou shalt not
kill, but in that mode and that
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feeling I was sent over there
and that led to major drugs.
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It led to more anger and
without being political about
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it there were things there that
I just didn't see why we were
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doing what we were doing.
Of course, then you get in the
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groove of complying with what
you've been told to do and that
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led to years and years of anger
and irrational behavior, major
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hatred for the particular kind
of people we were at war with,
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so to speak. That created
problems when I got out and came
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back to live in America.
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So when you came back
you went back to California?
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I went back to California
and got back with the girlfriend
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that I had and eventually we got
married and had two children.
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She came from parents who had
been missionaries in Thailand
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and that created trouble with
me because I had the hatred for
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those people and she loved them
and it was not good. It created
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lots of dysfunction and anger
which led to more drugs and more
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drugs and we all know through
study that drugs and other
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particular habits that are
out there are nothing more than
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medication to not deal with
what you should be dealing with.
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So that led deeper and
deeper and pretty soon I was an
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intravenous drug user.
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So the feelings that you
did have, they were just buried?
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Well, some of them were buried
about particular things. Others
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I had no problem telling
anybody I encountered what I
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thought about them or about any
situation. Of course, for me it
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led to eight more times back
to county jail for different
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altercations. I had no problem
going up to an oriental and
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being physical. Even on a date
with my wife going out to eat
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dinner one would walk in or one
would be sitting at a table and
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I'd walk right over with a fork
and proceed to tell him what I
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thought about the situation.
First of all that is unchristian
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like and I recognize that now.
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Well let's talk about where
there was a turn in the road.
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That's where you were
emotionally then. Now when did
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Jesus start coming into your
life or was this something that
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just slowly developed or was
this a Damascus road experience
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that happened immediately?
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You know, I have to interlude
here with something. Jesus was
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always there but I didn't
recognize, I didn't want him.
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He was reaching down to me but
I wasn't reaching back to him.
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This may seem humorous, it
may be shocking, but there was a
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time in my life when I was
still doing drugs that I started
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paying my tithe because I was
convicted that that was God's
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money. If you don't think that's
confusion inside you to have
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$50 for the man on the corner,
$50 for the church or whatever.
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But the anger continued. I came
back to the church and the anger
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was still there. I had been on
a roller coaster and doing this
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I thing with the things that
I did overcome. I went through
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a phase where I went,
well I quit smoking cigarettes
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without Schick or the 5-day plan
I quit drugs eventually without
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rehab. I quit drinking without
AA and I know now that it was
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Jesus, it was God there. But
I thought that. Then I came up
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against the anger and I did
not know what to do with it.
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When you asked about the turning
in the road, one of the major
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ones came probably three years
ago when my wife put me in a
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crisis and, God bless her, I am
so fortunate to have a wife that
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is as intelligent and loving and
good looking and all the things
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that that lady is. She loved
me enough and I started to see
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what love was through my wife.
At home I didn't know what love
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was. When I started to read
in my Bible, I still was angry.
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I used to make a quote
sometimes. John 3:16 to me said
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for God so beat the doctrines
into me, because that's what
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happened at home. You're going
to this other place, Ron, if you
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don't study your Sabbath School
lesson. I was told I wasn't
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going to make it because I
wasn't a doctor's kid. I was
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told that I wouldn't make it
because I didn't go to college.
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What's interesting is some
of those people that have that
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have that feeling now
have borrowed money from me and
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that's okay; I love to give.
God has blessed. But the turning
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point came when she put me in
that crisis and said, Ron, you
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are all these good things but...
I always did work hard, I always
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provided for my family. I would
keep good schedules and she said
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you're the best father and
husband and all these things,
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but if you don't get a handle
on your anger, I've got to go.
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Then she hit me right
between the eyes one day with a
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statement. She said, if it takes
you 20 years, I'll wait for you.
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And I cried and went okay, okay,
what do you want to do and she
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said we've got to go to Boise,
Idaho. This was a Wednesday
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afternoon and I said I just
signed a contract on a job for
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Monday morning, I got to be
there. She said, I'll drive all
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all Sunday for you but we've
got to go. If you don't go, I'm
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gone. Then you look at that and
if I lose my wife, there's my
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place, then I might as well go
back and shoot cocaine because
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I enjoyed that I thought.
You know, that's just the mental
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state that you're in when you're
doing that. So we went and we
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were introduced to a wonderful
lady who introduced us to a
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program called Binding the
Wounds that is put on by Nancy
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and Ron Rockey. It saved
our life. It saved our marriage.
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We now have had the opportunity
to facilitate that program for
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other people. What a joy to give
back. I no longer wonder why I
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went through some of
those valleys. I know why.
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It's God wanted me to have those
trials to help other people who
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are in the anger. We now help
Viet Nam vets, we help people
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with drug problems, people who
have had abuse. It's shocking
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how much of that is in our
church. Some people will go
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Shhh. And well you know what
reality here. So God is good.
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So I know a few of the things
that you brought up was that...
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You've been married for how long
now? This happened three years
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ago when your wife, Celeste,
gave you an ultimatum basically.
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Now, you've been
married for how long to Celeste?
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Um, our next
anniversary will be 30 years.
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Thirty years. Was she
brought up an Adventist also?
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Yes she was. Okay.
So I guess in her mind
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she was taking it as far as she
could because she was going to
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be married forever and boy she
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kept giving and kept giving and
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kept giving and without you
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really knowing
it you were taking
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because this disease called rage
had a hold of you. I think that
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you were saying that Jennifer
is your daughter. Okay and some
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of the things that you would
do at home. I'd like for you to
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just share that because there
are people out here that may not
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know that they could be
identified as having rage.
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But let's just say some of the
simplistic things that you would
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do at home. Maybe just in
the eating habits or maybe, you
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know... Tell us what rage is.
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Rage is being totally out of
control at any particular moment
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for any small or big reason.
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I would not like what was cooked
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for dinner, so it would end up
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on the wall. I was sitting at
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one time and my daughter was
trying to do peas on her fork
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and they were falling off. And
all of a sudden she says these
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bleep peas, she said a bad word.
I went Jennifer and my wife goes
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Ron, and I went what. She goes
where do you think she learned
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it? Well I dropped my
head and went back to my peas.
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Sometimes after it's too late we
realize the things that we have
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done have been very detrimental.
I have an old '57 Chevy that
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I've restored and when it
wouldn't start just right, I'd
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smash the fender, go crazy on it
and then I'd have to take that
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off and go look for another one.
One time I broke the wind shield
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because I didn't do something.
Another time when I was in it
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with my new wife, meaning
she was new to me at the time,
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it didn't run just how I wanted
so I dumped the clutch and blew
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a gear out of the transmission.
Now I had to go get a gear and
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rebuild your tranny. It's just
the impulse. Another time, and
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this one's a little bit potent,
but my wife had wanted me to
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come home right now; you see
she's grown too, she's given me
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room. She wanted me to take care
of a couple of large dogs that
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did not want to have anymore and
I had other dogs that we were
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going to keep. Well I didn't
want to come home right then.
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I was on the way from one job to
the next job. She pushed it to
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the point where I said okay I'll
come home. And I came home and
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killed those dogs right in front
of the family and got quite loud
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about it. My mother-in-law was
staying there at the time and
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she saw the rage and quietly
went into her area of living and
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closed the door. Then I went
down to the barn and went into
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a major situation where I just
had experienced Viet Nam again
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right there in my own yard and
I'd done it and I had to come up
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there and try to make amends.
Of course, the wife said, I
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don't want to talk to you,
get out of here. I accept full
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responsibility for the way I was
although I want to lay some of
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that on Satan. He knows your
weakness, he knows what he can
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do to you. He doesn't care how
he takes us down and he knows
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what would happen. There
have been times when I have been
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arrested for assault on my own
employees because they wouldn't
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do just what I wanted them
to do. Guaranteed, you can be
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assertive in a polite way and
I had not learned that. I didn't
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mind taking the situation
at hand and doing what I had
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learned was the way to fix
something and that was to beat
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it or other ways. That's not
God's way. God's way is tender
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and the mercy that he has shown
me, wooing me to him for years
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has shown me what real love is.
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Now that our audience can see
what rage is and what rage can
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do to a person, you have to be
miserable when those people are
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around you have to be even more
miserable. Now three years ago
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you turned the corner. You
went to this crisis center and
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healing started taking
place. Now what does that mean?
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Well it means that you want
to have a different reaction.
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The devil is still out there; he
still is throwing those things
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at you, but you can have a new
high and that would be a term
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used with people from my
background. Your new high is
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acting right and it is so
rewarding to look back at a
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situation after the fact and
say I did what God would have
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wanted me to do in that
situation. Yes as an employer
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you have a right to have the
program go in the way it's been
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set up, but there's a Christian
way to go about bringing that
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around. I now enjoy, it's
actually a good feeling for me,
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I can get joy out of reacting
properly. I have a situation
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here I can share real quick.
I called from 3-1/2 hours away
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driving time wise about a
particular product that I needed
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right that day. I had already
called the next client saying
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we'll be there at your place
tomorrow. So I drove to get that
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particular material as I left
my crew back there to continue
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working. The guy had just told
me on the phone, yes it's here
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right next to me. I drive 3-1/2
hours to get there and he says,
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oh I guess it isn't here. One of
my beloved brothers-in-law was
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sitting there and he just
watched the reaction. In my old
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lifestyle I would have climbed
over the counter. God was
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working at that moment and
I looked at the man and I just
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said oh okay, so when will
it be here? He was flabbergasted
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because he expected Ron,
because he knew the history,
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to act irrational. It was
one of those things that was the
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beginning of learning how to
react properly and to let God
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do your answering for you
sometimes. What would Jesus do?
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I have another little quick
incident. I was working for a
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Christian lady and I had
noticed that one of my guys was
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purposely throwing stucco on her
new brick which stains it and
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when you find it too late you've
got to get it off there and it
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scars the brick. So I watched
him as I was working away and
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he was doing some more of that
over in the corner. I uncorked
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and the window slid up and
it was this dear Christian lady
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saying Ron, what would Jesus do?
And I snapped at her, well he'd
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take a whip and clean this
temple. She said I think as soon
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as you are done working you need
to come on inside. So I sent the
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crew home. I came on inside and
she gave me her little sermon
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and I said, Yeah, Yeah, okay.
About six months later I was
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in Wal-Mart and I saw her and
I zipped down my jacket. I was
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wearing a T-shirt and I opened
it up and I said, Myrna, look.
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And I had a WWJD shirt on and
she said I think maybe you're
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getting a handle on it. There
are just many ways that you
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start to see the light.
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So you were obviously seeing
a healing taking place and now I
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also saw that without knowledge
my people perish. So now you're
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beginning to turn that corner
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because you have the knowledge.
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You see that there's another
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side there and it's even making
00:21:09.18\00:21:10.67
you feel good because now you're
putting that old life behind you
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This new creation, this new man
that God is creating, you know,
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is taking precedents. Now
let's talk about God's word.
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You're in his word. I now
understand that you and Celeste
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have a ministry called Abundant
Life Ministry. So tell us a
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little bit about that. How did
that start. I mean, my goodness,
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this is a large step between
then and now, because whenever
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I look at you I see a precious
man. I can see it in your eyes.
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Also I can tell that you're a
very sensitive man. So man, it's
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just who was this other
person? So you have a wonderful
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opportunity here to witness. Now
we've got Abundant Life Ministry
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Tell us about it. Well
we needed a platform to go
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out and touch people in the
right me because we definitely,
00:22:06.61\00:22:09.70
especially me, did it in the
00:22:09.73\00:22:11.33
wrong way, so we started this
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Ministry. The little logo on
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our cards is two hands holding
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a heart. It's all about your
heart healing. The Bible has
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things to say about the mind
but it also says, let not your
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heart be troubled. I forget the
exact quote about how many times
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the Bible talks about the heart.
So we started this ministry to
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go out... I'm now working with
a Viet Nam vet that when I first
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met this man his face just
reeked with pain. He cannot get
00:22:37.74\00:22:43.36
past the atrocities that he
got involved in. We also go out
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and we try to help people with
drug problems. I also go to the
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prison. We've started a little
small prison ministry in our own
00:22:52.52\00:22:56.55
little way. I have had an
invitation at one of the ASI
00:22:56.58\00:22:59.70
meetings to go down to the
Kentucky state pen and talk
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to the guys. I said to the
gentleman that invited me, why
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me? He said, why not you? You
know the system. These guys need
00:23:05.70\00:23:11.73
help. So that's a joy that I
have doing now. We also go out
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on a speaking tour when we're
invited and we tell our story
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and that's real rewarding
to watch as you're progressing
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through it. I talk for maybe
half an hour to 40 minutes.
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Celeste talks for 20 minutes to
a half hour then she says, now
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Ron's going to close. When
I'm closing down at the very end
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and using titles of hymns like
has he been your shelter in the
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time of storm? Burdens
really are lifted at Calvary.
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The people are weeping coming up
and it's humbling us because I
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used to lift myself up.
One of my favorite hymns now is
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Lift Him Up. James 2, I believe,
18 talks about when you raise
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Jesus up he will lift you up.
There's Jeremiah, I think it's
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1:18 there's a text that talks
about going out and sharing what
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God has done for you. So
this Abundant Life has created a
00:24:12.98\00:24:18.30
platform for us to do that.
Sometimes we're doing the talks;
00:24:18.33\00:24:22.70
sometimes we're just helping
someone that we know is hurting.
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You know, to give that loaf of
bread to someone who is hungry.
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I'm the song leader at our
church now and that shocks many
00:24:30.84\00:24:35.32
people that say, You're
the what? Well I got rebaptized
00:24:35.36\00:24:39.50
probably four years ago and
it was because I wanted to this
00:24:39.53\00:24:42.94
time; not because mom said I
should do it and you're 12 and
00:24:42.98\00:24:46.16
you're supposed to do it. Well
my pastor that we had at the
00:24:46.19\00:24:49.72
time, he's a quite large man,
and he started crying after he
00:24:49.76\00:24:52.59
brought me out of the water and
I said, what are you crying for?
00:24:52.63\00:24:55.68
I'm the one going through the
emotions. He said, Ronnie, hang
00:24:55.72\00:24:58.43
on. He said, the devil's mad
at the decisions you've made.
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And there's been a lot of stuff
there that if you allowed it to
00:25:01.14\00:25:05.09
get in the way, but you realize
there's another mountain that I
00:25:05.12\00:25:09.04
climb over. So this Abundant
Life Ministry thing has been
00:25:09.07\00:25:13.58
an awesome opportunity. It gives
us a platform, like I've said,
00:25:13.62\00:25:17.91
and so we go out when we have
the opportunity. We still both
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run businesses and then we have
fun with our grandkids. People
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have to listen for clues and for
ques. I walked into the lumber
00:25:28.48\00:25:32.58
yard one day and it was
very busy, other contractors in
00:25:32.61\00:25:36.68
there, lots of customers,
several employees there and it
00:25:36.71\00:25:40.19
was buzzing. It was just a
loud noise and some guy at the
00:25:40.23\00:25:43.76
counter said, Hey Ron, what's
happening? And I said, Jesus!
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And the place went deathly quiet
Now I realize I'm on stage and
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I keep going this aisle
and this aisle and I get what I
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want to do and I go back up
to the counter and he says, what
00:25:54.72\00:25:57.89
did you say? I said, what
did you ask me? He said, well I
00:25:57.92\00:26:01.02
asked what was happening, but...
I said, no but. You asked me a
00:26:01.06\00:26:04.33
straight question and I gave you
a straight answer. As I'm going
00:26:04.37\00:26:08.13
out the door, he saying, yeah
but... I said, Jesus is what's
00:26:08.16\00:26:11.89
happening. His family is
Christian from a different
00:26:11.92\00:26:16.26
denomination. He knows I was
telling the truth. It was not
00:26:16.30\00:26:21.17
what he expected to hear
from Ron and that's what makes a
00:26:21.20\00:26:26.00
difference. You know if Jesus
can save me, he can save anybody
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I'd say that's right. And
that's the way I feel about
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it. So now I think I have
an obligation but also it's a
00:26:35.11\00:26:38.84
desire to make a difference out
there with the people I'm coming
00:26:38.88\00:26:42.19
in contact with. It's all
about how am I going to react.
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Our good friends, Ron and Nancy
Rockey, really have a platform
00:26:45.54\00:26:50.64
that had set us in motion to
heal and it's all about healing.
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People talk in the church all
the time about sanctification
00:26:55.13\00:26:58.88
and then when we share our
recovery sometimes there are
00:26:58.92\00:27:02.55
walls up there. Well, isn't
sanctification getting your
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issues in line and
getting your character in line.
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This is absolutely a fascinating
topic, anger. You know from
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the one side it's a natural
emotion and on the other side
00:27:13.78\00:27:18.16
you know it goes into rage.
I just thank Jesus for being in
00:27:18.20\00:27:21.90
change of everything and that
transforming power that he has
00:27:21.94\00:27:25.60
created in you. You've gone
from having your feelings buried
00:27:25.64\00:27:28.77
and dead to where you're out
there now ministering to others.
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So I thank you for
being here today Ron.
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You're welcome and I give
Jesus Christ all the credit.
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Amen. I want to close
with this scripture found in
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Colossians 3:8. But now put
away and rid yourself completely
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of all these things: Anger,
rage, bad feelings toward others
00:27:45.86\00:27:49.86
curses and slander, and
foul- mouthed abuse and shameful
00:27:49.90\00:27:53.87
utterances from your lips.
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