Hello, I'm Shelley Quinn and welcome to Issues and Answers. 00:00:31.20\00:00:34.11 We have a very delicate topic that we're going to be 00:00:34.14\00:00:37.93 discussing today and I would like to warn parents that 00:00:37.96\00:00:42.25 parental supervision is required for this program. We're going 00:00:42.28\00:00:45.29 to be speaking to a convicted child molester who has been 00:00:45.32\00:00:51.74 born again and converted by the Lord and it reminds me of the 00:00:51.77\00:00:56.51 scripture from Acts 26:18 which is one of my favorites. This is 00:00:56.54\00:01:01.31 what Paul had to say, actually it's what Jesus said to Paul. 00:01:01.34\00:01:05.35 He said that I am sending you to open their eyes that they may 00:01:05.38\00:01:08.85 turn from darkness to light, from the power of Satan to God 00:01:08.88\00:01:12.25 so that they may receive forgiveness of their sins and 00:01:12.28\00:01:16.75 have an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in 00:01:16.78\00:01:22.80 me. I'm very excited to introduce you to Wayne and Sheri 00:01:22.83\00:01:28.28 Ladins. Wayne, thank you so much for coming today and Sheri, I'm 00:01:28.31\00:01:32.50 so glad you're here as well. Now you have a testimony as well 00:01:32.53\00:01:36.25 that we will be talking about in a later topic. But let's begin 00:01:36.28\00:01:41.18 with what you are doing today. We're going to talk about your 00:01:41.21\00:01:46.91 former problem but let's talk about what God is doing in your 00:01:47.32\00:01:51.49 lives today. Well, first of all he's brought 00:01:51.52\00:01:54.23 Sheri and me here today to share our testimony, which is, like 00:01:54.26\00:02:00.12 you say, a delicate testimony and that's a door that God has 00:02:00.15\00:02:03.17 opened. He brought us here and we can only just say, All right 00:02:03.20\00:02:06.86 Lord, we'll go through it. But for the last three years God has 00:02:06.89\00:02:11.39 opened other doors. We're involved in a number of things. 00:02:11.42\00:02:14.66 For one thing, prison ministry, and we'll have some graphics 00:02:14.69\00:02:19.23 here a little bit later. I'm an electronic engineer and that's 00:02:19.26\00:02:23.60 basically what I'm doing right now. Sheri's involved in air 00:02:23.63\00:02:26.54 craft hardware sales. But we're devoted to ministry 00:02:26.57\00:02:31.29 opportunities and devoted to the Lord and being available to him 00:02:31.32\00:02:34.44 wherever he puts us. We've been involved in abuse addiction 00:02:34.47\00:02:38.34 deliverance ministries on campmeetings, not officially in 00:02:38.37\00:02:42.85 a campmeeting, but just with the people that God puts in our 00:02:42.88\00:02:45.19 path in the tent, in the aisles, you know, just talking with 00:02:45.22\00:02:48.21 people. We've also been involved in public evangelism, door to 00:02:48.24\00:02:56.03 door out reach. I've gone to the Amazing Facts College of 00:02:56.06\00:03:00.24 Evangelism and we'll have some graphics on that, too. But some 00:03:00.27\00:03:06.22 of those things are all piling up together to prepare Sheri and 00:03:06.25\00:03:11.55 me for just ministering to a wide variety of people. We have 00:03:11.58\00:03:14.92 different backgrounds and God uses that to really minister to 00:03:14.95\00:03:18.85 a lot of people. 00:03:18.88\00:03:19.86 Why don't we look at some of the pictures now and see how God is 00:03:19.89\00:03:23.86 leading in your life. 00:03:23.89\00:03:25.00 First of all, I think there's a picture of us camping. We enjoy 00:03:25.03\00:03:29.53 getting out in God's cathedral, God's nature, and we need that. 00:03:29.56\00:03:33.79 We absolutely need that. When the stresses of life are way too 00:03:33.82\00:03:37.05 much, you've got to get away and we certainly enjoy that. 00:03:37.08\00:03:40.35 I mentioned, I think, prison ministry as well. We've been 00:03:40.38\00:03:45.09 involved in that. Sheri does it regularly and I go in on what's 00:03:45.12\00:03:50.62 called family days. Twice a year the state prison where we're at 00:03:50.65\00:03:55.41 allows a group of people to come in and minister and to be part 00:03:55.44\00:03:59.63 of the worship service there. I tell you what, this is a 00:03:59.66\00:04:02.78 powerful ministry. Not everyone is cut out for it, but the men 00:04:02.81\00:04:08.39 and women behind bars, they are reflecting on their lives. They 00:04:08.42\00:04:12.89 are ready to hear the good news about Jesus. When they can get 00:04:12.92\00:04:16.64 past this idea of - well you don't know what I've done - 00:04:16.67\00:04:19.20 God could never forgive me, when you can get past that, then they 00:04:19.23\00:04:23.97 respond and that's a real blessing, a real blessing. 00:04:24.00\00:04:26.43 And the next picture. Well I think there's a picture, 00:04:26.46\00:04:29.35 yes, there's a picture of me at the Amazing Facts College of 00:04:29.38\00:04:32.12 Evangelism. I went there last year and there's probably some 00:04:32.15\00:04:36.26 one you recognize there, not me. Doug Bachelor. Anyway God 00:04:36.29\00:04:41.17 really opened the door. I've been trying to get into prison 00:04:41.20\00:04:44.19 ministry full time with Sheri, but because of my criminal 00:04:44.22\00:04:47.44 background they would not let me in on a regular basis. When I 00:04:47.47\00:04:51.63 applied to Amazing Facts College of Evangelism they let me in and 00:04:51.66\00:04:55.45 every staff member there knows my story and they let me in. 00:04:55.48\00:05:01.42 Glory to God. So do my classmates, all the 00:05:01.45\00:05:03.51 class members there know as well with a sermon. 00:05:03.54\00:05:06.85 And the next picture. Well this is putting the 00:05:06.88\00:05:12.74 knowledge to work basically. We had two outreach classes at 00:05:12.77\00:05:16.07 our church. This is a picture of the first one and you can see 00:05:16.10\00:05:19.66 there is a lady in a wheel chair. She wanted to go door to 00:05:19.69\00:05:22.68 door and, bless her heart, she did. She wanted to get the word 00:05:22.71\00:05:25.92 out to people and that's what needs to happen. I'm involved 00:05:25.95\00:05:29.11 with Go Preach Ministries which is a group of AFCOE graduates 00:05:29.14\00:05:34.68 who are training people in their churches to do door to door 00:05:34.71\00:05:38.18 ministry public evangelism partly because when the church 00:05:38.21\00:05:42.38 hires a Bible worker there's only one Bible Worker and when 00:05:42.41\00:05:45.97 that Bible worker leaves they tend to take their friendships 00:05:46.00\00:05:48.99 with them. We want to train 20 to 30 people at a time in the 00:05:49.02\00:05:52.55 churches to do outreach ministry and then you have an army and 00:05:52.58\00:05:57.31 the harvest truly is great then. 00:05:57.34\00:05:58.92 Wayne, when I met you and Sheri and, of course, you spoke some 00:05:58.95\00:06:04.52 time with my husband J.D. and I heard all your story, I was so 00:06:04.55\00:06:08.80 excited to invite you to come and do Issues and Answers with 00:06:08.83\00:06:13.13 us because we know that child molestation is a problem that is 00:06:13.16\00:06:19.96 widespread and there are many predators even that are 00:06:19.99\00:06:22.83 attracted to churches. What I appreciated so much about you 00:06:22.86\00:06:27.19 was the accountability program that you promote. For our 00:06:27.22\00:06:32.13 viewers' sake, let's go back and share some of your story. 00:06:32.16\00:06:37.55 As you were growing up as a young boy, what kind of set you 00:06:37.58\00:06:42.53 off to where you took that first step in the wrong direction and 00:06:42.56\00:06:47.35 then how you were led? 00:06:47.38\00:06:49.33 Yes. This is kind of a light story that God has ended up with 00:06:49.36\00:06:58.05 and we are praising him for that. It started in real 00:06:58.08\00:07:00.53 darkness; it really did. But I think it's important for people 00:07:00.56\00:07:05.03 to know that no matter how dark things start, God is wanting to 00:07:05.06\00:07:09.93 draw them out of that and he can and he will. With Jesus' 00:07:09.96\00:07:12.85 strength he can. So it basically starts when I was five and my 00:07:12.88\00:07:18.22 folks divorced and that was traumatic for me. My younger 00:07:18.25\00:07:21.55 brother didn't get affected as much and my older brother seemed 00:07:21.58\00:07:24.12 to be able to handle it better. I was really traumatized. 00:07:24.15\00:07:28.51 I remember crying deeply about it and in fact if I needed to 00:07:28.54\00:07:32.78 cry for a reason to get something out of my eye, I would 00:07:32.81\00:07:35.36 actually think of the divorce and the tears would just come 00:07:35.39\00:07:38.48 up; I would just start crying. My dad moved out and he 00:07:38.51\00:07:43.73 remarried. He and the lady he married thought it was okay 00:07:43.76\00:07:47.93 to walk around the house naked. They did that in front of her 00:07:47.96\00:07:51.65 children and in front of us. It was a very sexualized 00:07:51.68\00:07:54.82 environment. They took us to a nudist colony where we went 00:07:54.85\00:08:00.16 camping and we did all the things you do when you go 00:08:00.19\00:08:02.00 camping but everybody was walking around naked. So for a 00:08:02.03\00:08:06.44 child, he sees normal behavior but everybody's naked and he 00:08:06.47\00:08:11.80 somehow associates it as must be okay. So the messages being 00:08:11.83\00:08:15.53 sent were very wrong but of course at five, six, seven I 00:08:15.56\00:08:19.96 didn't know that. My dad molested his stepdaughters 00:08:19.99\00:08:25.64 in front of me, one of them, by stroking her genital area. 00:08:25.67\00:08:30.13 As far as I know there was no penetration. But that behavior 00:08:30.16\00:08:34.73 is something that I saw and later in my teen years I started 00:08:34.76\00:08:41.13 doing the same. You become what you behold. 00:08:41.16\00:08:44.57 That's a biblical principle. So this is what appeared to you 00:08:44.60\00:08:50.78 to be normal behavior. You didn't know that this was really 00:08:50.81\00:08:54.56 that aberrant and then you repeated it. 00:08:54.59\00:08:57.11 Well, I would at least say that if I knew it was abnormal, it 00:08:57.14\00:09:04.18 was like well Dad's doing it. It must somehow be okay. 00:09:04.21\00:09:09.94 As I was a 14-year-old, I knew it was not okay, but I was 00:09:09.97\00:09:14.17 experimenting. There was a 7- year-old girl in particular who 00:09:14.20\00:09:19.06 I was grooming and that's a word that's used to describe 00:09:19.09\00:09:23.65 how a perpetrator gains the confidence of a victim to the 00:09:23.68\00:09:27.70 point where they will surrender and be under the power of a 00:09:27.73\00:09:31.38 perpetrator and it's a very scary thing. It was real and it 00:09:31.41\00:09:37.26 happened. Fortunately we got caught before, again, there was 00:09:37.29\00:09:40.27 any penetration although I'm sure that's where we were headed 00:09:40.30\00:09:43.94 I know there would have been something I would have tried 00:09:43.97\00:09:46.81 at 14. We got caught. The young girl told her parents, praise 00:09:46.84\00:09:54.14 God and unfortunately all that was done was then parents said, 00:09:54.17\00:09:57.99 Well stay away from each other. We didn't get any help and the 00:09:58.02\00:10:00.94 victim in particular. So there really weren't any 00:10:00.97\00:10:02.73 consequences for your actions? 00:10:02.76\00:10:04.31 Not really, not really, and I'll deal with that later. It's very 00:10:04.34\00:10:07.38 important that there are consequences. God chastens those 00:10:07.41\00:10:09.98 he loves. There needs to be a punishment, there needs to be a 00:10:10.01\00:10:13.36 consequence for true healing. Well that didn't happen. The 00:10:13.39\00:10:16.32 problem was there and identified but, again, there was no help. 00:10:16.35\00:10:21.60 I was overweight, wore horn rimmed glasses. I was a brain, 00:10:21.63\00:10:27.54 an honor student. I didn't have much social skills. I withdrew 00:10:27.57\00:10:32.73 to myself and plus I'm feeling guilty about this sexual side 00:10:32.76\00:10:37.31 of me that I know is abnormal. But I didn't know how to get any 00:10:37.34\00:10:42.68 help. Were you getting any kind of 00:10:42.71\00:10:45.89 religious training at all? My mom was a Seventh-day 00:10:45.92\00:10:51.40 Adventist. She worked nights at the Adventist hospital so if she 00:10:51.43\00:10:55.87 worked Friday night, we didn't go to church Sabbath usually and 00:10:55.90\00:10:59.67 I would say the Christianity was kind of nominal in the home. 00:10:59.70\00:11:03.20 We read the Bible Christmas Eve, we read the Bible story. Sabbath 00:11:03.23\00:11:08.68 was a drag. The whole idea was kind of a drag. But you know 00:11:08.71\00:11:14.08 what? It laid a foundation. I want to say right now for 00:11:14.11\00:11:17.50 parents who are wondering if their kids will ever make it 00:11:17.53\00:11:20.93 back into the church, the foundation you lay now really 00:11:20.96\00:11:24.91 does help and it helped me later. As a teenager in high 00:11:24.94\00:11:28.98 school, I didn't have a girl friend, not until senior year in 00:11:29.01\00:11:34.41 high school. Then when I did it was like, Thank goodness, I'm 00:11:34.44\00:11:40.23 normal now; I have a girlfriend. And I'd hope that the problems 00:11:40.26\00:11:44.58 of molest behavior would be somehow buried. The thing is I 00:11:44.61\00:11:50.42 got involved with a high school student who had herself had been 00:11:50.45\00:11:56.93 abused. It is typical; people who are abused are for some 00:11:56.96\00:12:00.91 crazy reason often attracted to those who are abusers and 00:12:00.94\00:12:05.03 so we have dynamite here. It's going to blow sooner or later. 00:12:05.06\00:12:08.98 But at this time, again, I was feeling like we have a normal 00:12:09.01\00:12:15.11 relationship. We did get engaged we got married and about two 00:12:15.14\00:12:19.49 years into college there was one night we shared the worst things 00:12:19.52\00:12:25.05 we've ever done. I had shared what I had done with this 00:12:25.08\00:12:28.28 seven-year-old girl earlier and it just floored her because my 00:12:28.31\00:12:33.07 wife had been molested by a junior high teacher and she had 00:12:33.10\00:12:40.39 never gotten help, never gotten any therapy and nothing really 00:12:40.42\00:12:43.34 happened to the teacher. He sort of quit his job and went on to 00:12:43.37\00:12:47.16 something else. So this is the mistake that we make as a 00:12:47.19\00:12:51.13 society and especially sometimes as a church where we don't deal 00:12:51.16\00:12:54.81 with these issues head on and that's really the only reason 00:12:54.84\00:12:59.29 we're here today is to help people who are in abusive 00:12:59.32\00:13:03.95 situations get help, but also for the church. What can the 00:13:03.98\00:13:06.10 church do? We'll deal with that later. 00:13:06.13\00:13:09.17 Now you and your wife had a baby girl. 00:13:09.20\00:13:13.29 Yes, we had three children and actually as a young dad who has 00:13:13.32\00:13:19.74 got problems already and very selfish unfortunately although 00:13:19.77\00:13:23.81 I was very happy to have my children some days, other days 00:13:23.84\00:13:27.67 I was very resentful, very angry because it took away time from 00:13:27.70\00:13:32.11 my wife and me and we did not have a good intimate 00:13:32.14\00:13:35.75 relationship. She was uncomfortable with sexual 00:13:35.78\00:13:39.67 activity. I was oversexed. It was a real mess. It was not a 00:13:39.70\00:13:43.31 healthy relationship in any way. Unfortunately, yes, after we had 00:13:43.34\00:13:49.05 our daughter about two years, she was about two years old, 00:13:49.08\00:13:51.60 with the stresses and strains of the marriage not working out 00:13:51.63\00:13:55.65 my molest behavior returned and that's not a justification for 00:13:55.68\00:13:59.16 the behavior in any way. It just explains the dynamic that was 00:13:59.19\00:14:03.45 happening there. I started molesting my daughter during 00:14:03.48\00:14:07.54 bath time. And you were fondling your 00:14:07.57\00:14:15.56 daughter during bath time? Yes. I was rubbing her genital 00:14:15.59\00:14:18.98 area. There was no penetration, but, you know, early in therapy 00:14:19.01\00:14:26.87 it hit me, I'm the father, the one person on the whole planet 00:14:26.90\00:14:31.58 most responsible for protecting his children, especially his 00:14:31.61\00:14:34.74 daughter and I'm the one who is hurting her. Sometimes I look 00:14:34.77\00:14:39.73 at these hands and I think of what Jesus said, If your hand 00:14:39.76\00:14:41.94 offend thee, cut it off. And he is serious about that. Early on 00:14:41.97\00:14:47.11 I thought did he really mean cut my literal hand off and he meant 00:14:47.14\00:14:49.82 cut sin out. Zero tolerance; that's what God is interested in 00:14:49.85\00:14:54.18 Complete healing, not partial healing. He never said, Go and 00:14:54.21\00:14:58.21 sin a little less, to the woman caught in adultery. Go and sin 00:14:58.24\00:15:03.66 no more. If we believe that God has the power to do that 00:15:03.69\00:15:08.11 in us, because he says it right here, we have to walk in that 00:15:08.14\00:15:11.78 belief. We have to walk it, put it into practice. 00:15:11.81\00:15:14.56 How long as a young father now, and you are doing these things 00:15:14.59\00:15:20.91 during bath time. You know it surprises me your wife even 00:15:20.94\00:15:24.78 allowed you to bathe your daughter when she knew your 00:15:24.81\00:15:28.79 history. But she obviously trusted you. How long did this 00:15:28.82\00:15:32.35 behavior go on and what affect was it having on you? When did 00:15:32.38\00:15:36.80 you wake up and take a step toward recovery? 00:15:36.83\00:15:40.93 Well, there was one situation where my wife came to me and 00:15:40.96\00:15:44.87 said, You know, I've noticed some behaviors about our 00:15:44.90\00:15:48.64 daughter and she says, Should I be concerned? And I did not have 00:15:48.67\00:15:53.74 the guts to say yes there's a problem. But six months later, 00:15:53.77\00:15:58.36 this would be the fall of 1992, the guilt was so strong, the 00:15:58.39\00:16:05.68 anger was so strong. When I would come home from work I 00:16:05.71\00:16:14.10 would be so angry because I knew what I was. The guilt could 00:16:14.13\00:16:20.58 not come out in terms of I need help, so it came out as anger 00:16:20.61\00:16:24.83 towards my family. Because if they weren't around, if I was 00:16:24.86\00:16:29.44 angry at them they stayed away, I couldn't hurt my daughter, I 00:16:29.47\00:16:32.73 couldn't hurt them. So unfortunately although I was a 00:16:32.76\00:16:36.01 great guy in many respects some of the time my mood could change 00:16:36.04\00:16:40.38 just like that and so my whole family, wife and kids, were 00:16:40.41\00:16:43.67 walking around on eggshells waiting for Dad to blow and Dad 00:16:43.70\00:16:47.48 would blow but couldn't share why he was so torn up inside 00:16:47.51\00:16:52.50 out of guilt for what he's doing and couldn't get help. The thing 00:16:52.53\00:16:56.38 is, people need to know, don't listen to that voice where it 00:16:56.41\00:17:01.57 says you can't get help, you're scum, no one will believe you, 00:17:01.60\00:17:05.16 you will lose your job, you'll lose your marriage, you'll lose 00:17:05.19\00:17:08.72 you liberty if you're committing a crime. This was a crime. This 00:17:08.75\00:17:12.41 was against not only God's law but man's law and there's a lot 00:17:12.44\00:17:16.07 of fear. But God says, Perfect love casts out fear, and God 00:17:16.10\00:17:22.37 says, I will help you. I will lead you out of this mess 00:17:22.40\00:17:26.52 of a wilderness. No matter how low the gutter is, he will pull 00:17:26.55\00:17:30.56 you up out of it. He promises that, so we need to hold onto 00:17:30.59\00:17:33.65 that. And that's what I want to encourage people. When my wife 00:17:33.68\00:17:37.96 asked six months later I finally did have the guts to say yes 00:17:37.99\00:17:41.76 there is a problem, and she was devastated. I mean this was her 00:17:41.79\00:17:48.89 nightmare come true. I mean this was the thing she feared most in 00:17:48.92\00:17:52.45 her whole life and there it was and it was in her house and I 00:17:52.48\00:17:55.94 had devastated her, betrayed her trust. I had abused my daughter. 00:17:55.97\00:18:00.42 And the ramifications just go on and on. But, you know, at least 00:18:00.45\00:18:07.76 there's a starting point for recovery, a starting point for 00:18:07.79\00:18:10.24 healing. That is admitting it. Admitting it is first. Once you 00:18:10.27\00:18:14.93 can get over the denial and get into admitting it and confessing 00:18:14.96\00:18:19.24 it, that's a big, big step but it's only the first. I called 00:18:19.27\00:18:25.40 Child Protective Services and said I need help. I have 00:18:25.43\00:18:27.34 molested my daughter. What do we do? How do we go through 00:18:27.37\00:18:31.33 this? What do we have to do? And they said, Well, you have to 00:18:31.36\00:18:34.22 leave the house. You have to get out of the house right now. You 00:18:34.25\00:18:38.40 can't stay there tonight. And that was the first part of my 00:18:38.43\00:18:42.31 anger coming back, kind of. It's like, wait a minute. I'm calling 00:18:42.34\00:18:45.12 to get help, why do I have to leave my house? 00:18:45.15\00:18:48.77 So that's still very self- oriented, very selfish. 00:18:48.80\00:18:53.17 Oh yes, we are so selfish. The heart is desperately wicked, 00:18:53.21\00:18:58.25 desperately so. Pride is the first thing. We are so into self 00:18:58.29\00:19:04.20 especially young men and I was a young father. But I complied. 00:19:04.24\00:19:10.12 I wanted to get help. I wanted to get help. They set up a 00:19:10.15\00:19:13.94 social worker and also in talking with them I knew there 00:19:13.98\00:19:16.97 would be a police report, so I called the police and said I 00:19:17.00\00:19:19.48 have a situation so you need to come on down and get your 00:19:19.51\00:19:22.49 statement. I talked to the detective and told him what had 00:19:22.52\00:19:25.63 happened. So started the whole process of being involved with 00:19:25.66\00:19:29.88 these agencies. Praise God, for the first time in years I was 00:19:29.92\00:19:33.55 getting a sense of relief and help, but my whole family was 00:19:33.59\00:19:37.69 now having to deal with a lie that was finally just out and 00:19:37.73\00:19:41.80 they were devastated. What were the consequences of 00:19:41.84\00:19:46.94 this confession? First did you turn to God at the same time? 00:19:46.98\00:19:52.13 No. You still weren't turning to God. So you were just dealing 00:19:52.16\00:19:57.27 with the consequences of man's law at this point. 00:19:57.31\00:20:00.99 Man's law and I can do this. I'm going to get better. 00:20:01.02\00:20:04.63 I'm going to solve this. I'm going to work hard, and I did. 00:20:04.66\00:20:08.64 I was required to get into therapy with a therapist who 00:20:08.68\00:20:12.59 specializes in sex offenders and we met twice a week for many, 00:20:12.62\00:20:16.90 many weeks. I had to live outside of my home. I could only 00:20:16.93\00:20:20.89 see my children when my wife was there, supervised visitation, 00:20:20.92\00:20:27.15 line of sight and also auditory supervision. After about three 00:20:27.19\00:20:32.33 months of intense therapy the anger went away pretty quickly 00:20:32.37\00:20:36.64 as I realized this is what has to happen. The laws are there to 00:20:36.67\00:20:40.31 protect the children, not me, not to help me really; it's to 00:20:40.35\00:20:44.00 protect the children and they have to be that way because 00:20:44.03\00:20:47.65 otherwise people will fall into a relapse. 00:20:47.68\00:20:50.72 Was the remorse really coming over you to recognize, not just 00:20:50.76\00:20:54.79 oops, now I've got myself in a situation, but were you really 00:20:54.83\00:20:58.82 remorseful for what you had done to your daughter? 00:20:58.86\00:21:00.45 No, not at first, not at first. There was a lot of empathy 00:21:00.49\00:21:04.47 training. I realized, You know what, this is not an object. 00:21:04.51\00:21:08.86 This is a living, breathing soul here. These are people, these 00:21:08.89\00:21:12.51 are children that are powerless and most importantly, this is 00:21:12.55\00:21:16.33 your daughter, your flesh and blood. She does not deserve to 00:21:16.37\00:21:20.32 have this behavior from you, from anyone, and she is not at 00:21:20.36\00:21:24.27 fault in any way. You are entirely responsible. 00:21:24.31\00:21:27.91 And later in group therapy we sometimes see this especially 00:21:27.94\00:21:31.28 with those who have gotten involved with 14-year-olds or 00:21:31.31\00:21:34.68 15-year-olds. Well she wanted it. She was consensual. 00:21:34.72\00:21:37.78 You know, she's not old enough to make the decision to be 00:21:37.82\00:21:40.85 sexually involved. You're the adult. It's fully your 00:21:40.88\00:21:46.14 responsibility. That has to happen and that did happen. 00:21:46.18\00:21:51.73 I started to realize I've hurt my daughter, my precious 00:21:51.77\00:21:57.25 two-year-old daughter. I mean, it sickens me to think about it, 00:21:57.29\00:22:02.96 but it happened. Now, you did not get convicted 00:22:02.99\00:22:08.54 then? No. Three months or so later 00:22:08.58\00:22:12.53 I was able to move back into the house and it looked like, 00:22:12.56\00:22:16.14 by the way this is my second wife, my first wife... we're 00:22:16.17\00:22:19.31 going to be able to get back together again. I was making 00:22:19.35\00:22:22.42 good progress in therapy and the therapist was allowing certain 00:22:22.45\00:22:26.43 modifications to the therapy contract to be able to be around 00:22:26.47\00:22:31.34 my children again. But it was in the spring of 1993 that a 00:22:31.37\00:22:35.37 daughter of very good friends of ours at the time recalled an 00:22:35.40\00:22:38.83 incident the previous summer before I had admitted my problem 00:22:38.87\00:22:42.90 with my daughter where she was molested by me and when I talked 00:22:42.93\00:22:46.69 with the mother about that, I didn't deny it. I said, Yes that 00:22:46.73\00:22:51.69 did happen. We were reading on the chair and I had put the book 00:22:51.72\00:22:56.65 in her crotch and she got stimulated and then I started 00:22:56.69\00:23:01.04 rubbing her and same sort of things. She didn't recall it 00:23:01.07\00:23:05.39 apparently until nine months later and I didn't bring it up. 00:23:05.42\00:23:09.12 How old was this child? She was three. Three years old. 00:23:09.15\00:23:12.23 So she was able to remember. My daughter was never able to 00:23:12.26\00:23:15.95 remember any physical abuse. She was examined and there was no 00:23:15.98\00:23:19.43 evidence, so there was no case. But this did turn into a case. 00:23:19.46\00:23:23.04 She had recalled an incident, I didn't deny it. We went into 00:23:23.07\00:23:26.59 court and that it was it for my ex-wife. That was it. She was 00:23:26.63\00:23:30.34 like I can't deal with this any more. That was the end of our 00:23:30.37\00:23:34.04 relationship. The consequences then of your 00:23:34.08\00:23:36.18 actions finally are hitting you. Now you go through a divorce. 00:23:36.21\00:23:40.79 You are convicted of child molestation. Now you received 00:23:40.83\00:23:45.62 probation, is that correct? Eight years' probation, 75 days 00:23:45.65\00:23:50.41 in county jail. Did you lose your job? 00:23:50.45\00:23:55.29 I did not lose my job. God saw fit that I could keep my job and 00:23:55.32\00:23:58.50 the way it was structured was my ex-wife and children were 00:23:58.53\00:24:02.18 dependent on my job. So I thank him for that. I still have that 00:24:02.21\00:24:06.97 job today and all of the management at my work know of 00:24:07.01\00:24:11.94 my situation and all of my offense. 00:24:11.98\00:24:13.41 So as a convicted child molester you were obligated to inform 00:24:13.44\00:24:18.06 everyone around you. No. No? That was my choice, 00:24:18.10\00:24:22.05 that was my choice as a part of the accountability. It was 00:24:22.09\00:24:25.87 that time when I was going through the court process that I 00:24:25.91\00:24:29.20 met a man who shared his faith with me and for the first time 00:24:29.23\00:24:33.17 in my life someone who mentioned Jesus was someone I could listen 00:24:33.20\00:24:37.10 to. Anytime anyone had approached me with do you know 00:24:37.14\00:24:40.92 Jesus, I would say no, go away; because I knew I couldn't be 00:24:40.96\00:24:46.09 a hypocrite. I couldn't get involved in Christianity. 00:24:46.13\00:24:49.31 I had dabbled in it in college. In fact, there was one dear 00:24:49.35\00:24:53.90 friend in college who was frustrated with me: 00:24:53.94\00:24:56.33 You know so much. You know the Gospel but you haven't taken the 00:24:56.37\00:25:01.25 step to receive Christ. There's an act of receiving. It can't 00:25:01.28\00:25:06.13 just be head knowledge. You can't just know about it. 00:25:06.16\00:25:08.55 Wayne, you did receive Jesus Christ and he did make you over 00:25:08.59\00:25:13.63 as a new creation. If you could speak to someone who is caught 00:25:13.67\00:25:18.67 up in this sexual sin right now, what would you say? 00:25:18.71\00:25:21.92 What I would say is, Christ can lead you out of that mess, no 00:25:21.95\00:25:26.67 matter now messy you think it is he can. He wants to do it. 00:25:26.71\00:25:31.49 I want to make this point though that nothing, losing your job, 00:25:31.53\00:25:34.76 losing your marriage, losing your freedom, even if you go to 00:25:34.79\00:25:38.99 jail, none of that compares to the damage of molesting or 00:25:39.03\00:25:43.10 hurting a child even one more time. You have got to get help. 00:25:43.13\00:25:47.17 As soon as you become accountable to even one person 00:25:47.21\00:25:49.70 the chances of you repeating your behavior drop dramatically. 00:25:49.73\00:25:53.89 Please, get help. We are going to have you come 00:25:53.93\00:25:58.09 back and do some programs on recovery and accountability, 00:25:58.13\00:26:01.73 but I know that one of the blessings that God has brought 00:26:01.77\00:26:06.89 into your life is Sherri. You heard this awesome testimony 00:26:06.92\00:26:12.00 and yet you chose to marry this man. 00:26:12.04\00:26:15.59 That's true, yes, that's true. Well that is an amazing story 00:26:15.62\00:26:21.69 that God led us and I'll share that with you later. 00:26:21.73\00:26:26.63 Okay, we're going to do a program with you and hear your 00:26:26.66\00:26:29.57 personal testimony in how the Lord led the two of you together 00:26:29.61\00:26:34.60 But, you know, God restored more that just a marriage. He has 00:26:34.64\00:26:39.60 restored your relationship with your daughter. Tell us. 00:26:39.64\00:26:42.04 Absolutely. Well actually when she was informed of the molest 00:26:42.08\00:26:45.80 she wasn't informed until she was about 9-10 years old and 00:26:45.84\00:26:48.59 there were some difficult years there, in fact, three years 00:26:48.63\00:26:51.35 where she didn't even communicate with me or anyone 00:26:51.38\00:26:53.92 in my family. But, you know what? She reached out to my 00:26:53.95\00:26:56.42 mom during one Thanksgiving and then she decided to come out for 00:26:56.45\00:27:00.01 Thanksgiving and we had a lot of healing; some heart-to-heart 00:27:00.05\00:27:03.57 talks that needed to happen. She needed to hear that I took full 00:27:03.60\00:27:06.80 responsibility for what I did, that she did nothing to bring on 00:27:06.84\00:27:10.07 what had happened. Praise God! In the next nine months, she 00:27:10.10\00:27:13.16 wanted to go to campmeeting with us and at that campmeeting, I 00:27:13.19\00:27:16.22 think we might even have a picture, there it is, she got 00:27:16.25\00:27:20.02 baptized. Over those 10 days she got baptized. I just love 00:27:20.05\00:27:23.96 the look on her face there. Praise God! She's a child of God 00:27:24.00\00:27:28.00 and she loves Jesus. God is in the business of restoration. 00:27:28.04\00:27:32.01 That's his job, he wants to bring healing. 00:27:32.04\00:27:34.14 Amen, that is. He is a God of new beginnings. I am sorry 00:27:34.17\00:27:37.35 that we're out of time, but remember this, that God's 00:27:37.38\00:27:40.48 mercies are new every morning and great is his faithfulness. 00:27:40.52\00:27:45.15 This is the story of Wayne and Sherri Ladins. Please tune in 00:27:45.19\00:27:48.96 next time and we'll be hearing part of Sherri's testimony. 00:27:48.99\00:27:52.73 Good bye, for now. 00:27:52.76\00:27:58.99