Hello, I am Shelley Quinn.
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And welcome again
to Issues and Answers.
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I'm so glad you
could join us today,
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because we're going to
be talking about devil.
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And is he real? Peter wrote
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to us in First
Peter 5:8 he says,
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Be sober, be vigilant;
because your adversary,
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the devil, walks
about like a roaring lion,
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seeking whom he may devour.
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Is the devil a real
being or is he just something
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that we conjured up in our mind.
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We are going to be
talking about that today.
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And I'm so glad
to have returning
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with us again
Dr. Herbert Douglas.
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Dr. Douglas, thank you so much
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for being here.
My pleasure Shelley,
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glad to be back.
Well now you have
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doctored in theology,
you have been a professor
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of theology at both
Atlantic Union College
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and Pacific Union College.
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You worked as an
editor for Review
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and Herald and at Pacific Press
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and now you're
with Amazing Facts.
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On top of all of that
you are an author of over
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20 books I understand.
We are thrilled to have
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you here to be
discussing this with us today.
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You know in our last program
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we were talking about something
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a little bit different but,
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we also ended up
talking about new spirituality.
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And we didn't have a chance
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to go into the
difference between spiritualism
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and new
spirituality. Can we just take
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a moment to address
that? Very important Shelley,
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because spiritualism
is on a different track
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although it's
under the same umbrella.
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Spiritualism is a direct
connection with the dead,
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or with the other
world, with the past world,
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okay. Ouija boards,
seances, channeling,
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extra sensory
perception, the direct, not,
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it's just the
immediate connection
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with the other side.
With the spirit world.
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But new spirituality doesn't go
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in that
direction or have common,
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a common thread
and that they both
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believe in the other
side from a standpoint
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you could speak to them.
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But new spirituality emphasizes
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the good within you.
It really uses Bible texts
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but does not use
the Bible authority,
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okay. It uses
text because it sounds
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like they're Christians
and it's very appealing.
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Well when it comes down
to the ability to find God,
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all you have to do is recognize
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that the other person is God.
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God is within everybody and,
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it's just like pantheism,
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that God is in
everything. Panentheism,
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pantheism is God
is in everything,
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but Panentheism is
God himself is in you.
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You are not his
handy work you are God.
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And our job is to
realize that wonderful
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divine within you. To reach down
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and open it up for
your real potential
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and you do that in many ways,
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many ways. They are not
all doing the same thing.
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Some can do it with what we call
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contemplative prayer.
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That is I
believe in contemplation,
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I believe in going
out and sitting under
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a tree and contemplative
God and the future.
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That's not what they
mean in contemplation.
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Contemplation to a
new spiritual leader
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or follower would be to get down
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into your thoughts in such a way
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that you think no more.
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You go into a neutral mind.
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Into that alpha
state and then you know.
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The alpha state? Yeah.
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Oh, you get into
that. That's another
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form of new spirituality,
okay, that God takes
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you as you are
because you are good in word.
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We have to release
the good in each other.
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The alpha state
is becoming rather
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attractive to
many people these days.
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You know I did a
series with a gentleman
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who had been Hindu
and he is now a Pastor
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of Christian denomination.
And he was a chemist
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and he is a scientist
and he said the alpha state,
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when you get into
this type of meditation
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through visualization
through guided imagery.
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Whatever when you are getting
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into that contemplated
as you said prayerful
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type situation that
in this new spirituality,
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you actually are
opening yourself to channel
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the spirit world but
not the spirit of God.
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So, it's pretty interesting.
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Well these are
wonderful, gracious people
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who are sponsoring
this, yes. When you listen
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to them on the radio,
TV or read their books,
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you say, my, this is rea
insight, this is helpful.
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They call it
Christian mysticism for example,
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right, or Christian yoga.
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And I call those
are fancy oxymorons,
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yes, you know it's impossible
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to be a Christian yoga. Right.
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But when we talk
about contemplative prayer,
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we're talking
about reaching down
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into the silence.
And you got to just check
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out your mind and
forget about any Bible text.
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You cannot have a
Bible text in your mind,
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because that's going
interfere with sinking
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down into the
silence, that's correct.
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Many books have been written
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about these
experience. It is an experience
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and may people
describe it as a burning light.
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And they want to
share that wonderful
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experience with you.
Well you could imagine
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what could happen
when you shut out all
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discrimination and
reason and you just work
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on your feelings
and what comes up then.
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That's part of
it, the visualization
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you talked about is to visualize
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what you can be by
letting that real you come out.
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So there is no
emphasis about God
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in the power of the
Holy Spirit obviously,
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is releasing the
power within you.
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Napoleon Hill and so
many of the great motivational
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speakers worked
on this principle.
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And you know as a Christian,
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I firmly believe
Colossians 127 tells me
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that Christ within
me is my hope of glory.
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As a Christian I
know that if I am getting
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up in the morning
and I am surrendering
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to the Lord and
asking to be filled
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with his Holy
Spirit. Then I do believe
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that I am the
temple of the living God,
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if the Holy
Spirit is abiding in me.
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But what these people
are doing is something
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quite different.
It's not relying on God,
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it's saying that everyone,
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you don't have to
be surrender to God.
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You don't have
to ask to be filled
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with His Spirit; because
there is no personal God,
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there is no personal
God, so that's the danger.
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Which brings me
you know in my mind
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and I believe you
will agree with me
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here is that Herb
is that this is another
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deceitful ploy of the devil.
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That it sounds so
good, it comes wrapped
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in a shiny wrapper
with a big golden bow
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on it and it
sounds like something
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that is
innocuous, it sounds actually
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like it would be good
for us. It's exciting,
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it is exciting but now
new spirituality people
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don't actually
recognize the devil of Satan
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as a real being.
What do you believe,
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what does the Bible
teach a Stan a real being?
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To sum up what you
just said the Oprah Winfrey
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kind of religion is
sweeping this country,
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that everybody is
walking up his own path
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and everybody's path is
as good as everybody else.
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Because you are on the
same spiritual mountain
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and one of these
days we'll get to the top.
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That is very
appealing; now Satan comes
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into the picture not in
new spirituality of course.
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But the reality that
he is a living being,
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Jesus said he
faced him face-to-face
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and has wildness experience.
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He calls him the father of lies,
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John 8, Peter
calls him a roaring lion.
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Revelation 12, he's
described as a dragon,
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that evil force. As
you will remember Satan
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for example, he is the Satan
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and the accuser and a dragon,
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but he was that force in heaven.
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before there was
ever this world created,
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who started a war in heaven.
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Now wait a minute, did you said
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he was the same force in heaven.
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Did God cerate the
devil? God created Lucifer,
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in fact he was the first
of the all created beings.
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Lucifer saw every
other being created.
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He was the first one,
he became God's master
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of communication.
He was in control,
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he probably
memorized everybody's DNA.
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The second angel
down to yours and mine.
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But something about
you can't explain this,
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but this is what happened.
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well being that close to God
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and seeing the
adoration that all the creation
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had for God that
something happened
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that he would like
to share some of that.
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After all he was the
first of creation you know
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and know
something about jealously
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that become
envy. And envy becomes
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hatred and that was the story,
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the anthropy of
what's happening of Lucifer
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who became
Satan. Satan is a word
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that means the adversary.
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And he was God's adversary.
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So we find these truce
in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28,
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that Satan got lifted
up he was filled with pride
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and pride led to rebellion.
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So now give me your
sound bite description
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for who Satan is?
Satan is pure evil,
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okay. Satan is an
example what happens
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for person who
lets jealousy and be,
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control his life. And pride,
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which everybody
that has ever lived
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has had to contend
with. I want to be me,
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I want to have time
to realize my potential.
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Don't push me around,
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I have a right to this or that.
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That's a little bit of
Satan in all of us, yes.
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Power destroys and that
Satan is the arch example
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of what happens
when power overtakes
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a man or a woman
When you get a little
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I trouble, I will be lifted up.
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There is no turning
back, because envy leads
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to hate and hate leads
to destruction of somebody.
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In the home, in the workplace,
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in the community, in the world,
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hate always leads to coalition.
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What are some of the strategies
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that the devil uses today?
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I certainly like to
put it at least into four,
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okay. First, he
is a great pretender,
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and then he uses
other people to blame
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for what he is messing
up, scapegoat him, okay.
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And then when
things get more involved
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and issues
become more confusing,
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he adds the
confusion in many ways
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and then when it comes down
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to it and things are
really getting tight,
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he doesn't try to persuade,
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he tries to co-verse one way
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or another to go his way.
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Even to destroy the
person he can't win over.
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Let's look at those
four categories then
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and kind of let's
break this down so that.
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I hear what you're
saying but I want to understand
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how does that
apply to our lives today.
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So when you say he
is a master of pretends,
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how can we apply
that or recognize
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that in our lives today?
Those who are just impelled
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by self centeredness,
he wants it his own way.
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They don't like to be reproved;
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they don't like to
be considered a problem.
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And so they will do
anything to deceive,
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They will explain how somebody
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how somebody else
could be the problem
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and that's self justification.
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Happens in every
family, every church,
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every group of people.
And so self justification
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leads to showing how somebody
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else is to blame
for what's going on.
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If it weren't for
my mother and father,
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I wouldn't be the way I am.
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If if weren't for the government
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being so inconsiderate,
I would live in a better
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house then I am living in.
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There is always
somebody to blame,
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and many homes have been broken
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up by a wife or a husband.
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Who are experts at pretending
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that they are the righteous one,
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that they are the one who
is keeping things together.
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That they are the
ones who are the ones
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that make their family
work and they turn to children
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against the other
mate. And then they come up
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with excuses to show
that well that wasn't my fault
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that was your mother's fault,
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well that was
your father's fault.
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And the children
are quite deceived
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of course by this kind of talk.
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So, scapegoating
is the way you project
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what you're doing on somebody
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else and getting away with it.
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And when, when you think about,
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what goes on in the world today,
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I have so many
examples in my head.
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You can hardly
listen a news commentator
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or a politician
without being confused.
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Because you listen
to what they're saying
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and say that's sounds right.
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Then if you turn the station
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and you listen to somebody
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else on the
same subject you say,
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well that sounds right too.
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Somebody is confusing the issue,
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they are masters of confusion.
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By using words with
different definitions.
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May I, and let me interact this,
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would you agree that most,
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in most cases when
someone is trying to confuse,
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they've got their
agenda that they are pushing
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and this is what Satan
is. He's got this agenda
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he's pushing,
you got that right.
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So they often
purposely will put a spin,
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we call them spin doctors.
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And they will put
a spin on something,
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or one thing that I've noticed
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that people do quite a bit,
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is that they will take
just a measure of truth
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and they may end
up with five percent
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truth in what they're saying
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and add 95 percent of a lie.
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And there is just enough truth
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in it that is
recognizable that it confuses
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people because they
think well this is true,
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the rest must be true.
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So, that's one
of it's strategies.
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It's a strategies that works,
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it's the big lie for example
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and Hitler wasn't
a perfect example,
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people really believed Hitler.
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He came in to
power in 1933 in Germany,
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through a
constructional way of becoming
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the Chancellor of
the German nation.
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There is nothing wrong
with the way he did it,
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he was just using the strategy,
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but it wasn't very
long before the gypsies
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and the
homosexuals and the Jehovah's
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witnesses were wrong.
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That's the
problem, scapegoating,
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he's
scapegoating all these people.
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And of course the Jews.
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You have to get
rid of these people
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who are the causes of
our problems in this country.
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He did it to
perfection, confusing,
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you need a true
squad to follow up
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many, many politicians,
many, many preachers.
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Because it's a
strategy that works.
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I don't know if you
read 1984 by Eric Blair,
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1984 was written in
1948 and he transports
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these numbers. And he was a,
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everybody should read it once,
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to show what
happens to a country
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when you confuse the language.
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When freedom is
what everybody wants,
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don't limit people,
when two and two are,
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somebody calls two and two
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are five is free to do
it. And war becomes peace,
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work becomes freedom.
And he thought by 1984,
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the whole world
will be in that mess.
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We missed it by maybe 20 years.
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But when I first
read it in the late 40's
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I didn't think the world
would ever last that long.
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That he was
dreaming science fiction,
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there was nothing
scientifically fiction
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about his book, yes, 1984, yes.
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People is what
I get into the way
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the people can confuse,
all through Christianity
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there has been a
marvelous strategy of confusion.
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Take the one word
faith, that one word faith
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has caused more divisions
in the Christian church
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then any other word.
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And maybe it was in our church,
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we have people who are confused
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about what faith
means. Because it may take
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the definition of a particular
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Protestant reformer. Then I ask,
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well which reformer
are you referring to,
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because I could show
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another Protestant reformer who,
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lets them face differently.
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But they'll hang
on to a definition
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that seems to appeal to them.
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Don't you think that a
lot of people and you know,
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I meet so many wonderful people,
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in so many
different denominations
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and they're earnest,
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absolutely, and they're sincere.
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But they will
except what someone
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has told them from the pulpit,
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without studying
it out for their own.
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And I even would put
myself in that category
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some years back,
there were many things
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I had studied out for my own.
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Some things
that I just accepted,
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because I thought well all
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of Christendom accepted this.
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But even many Pastors,
who often preach something
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that they really
taking things out of context.
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And this again I
think this is the double
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strategy, its
confusion, it's to confuse us,
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who have someone studying
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and going to may be
certain study helps even,
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where some on is
off. If they are off base
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and they are
preaching from that study help
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rather then
from the word of God.
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We see that there
is a lot of confusion
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within the body of Christ.
Take the word grace. Yes,
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we heard lot
about grace these days.
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Grace for most
people today means God's
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wonderful gift of forgiveness.
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But that's only half of grace,
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amen. The grace of power,
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amen, it changed the
kind of life that keeps
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asking for forgiveness.
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That's what I call
the unlimited gospel,
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the everlasting gospel, amen.
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But not many churches
or preachers are spending
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their time on that today,
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okay. Another word is truth,
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truth is passive for
most any university subject
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or college subject today.
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Young people that
brought up is not their fault,
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because my opinion is
just as good as yours love say.
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Being taught that
truth is relative.
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We know truth is relative
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and if I feel that
this is the best way
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to look at something, yeah,
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and to appeal to some authority
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or some objective
standard is passive.
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That's amazing.
Okay, so we're looking
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at some of the
strategies of a devil
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and we are looking at
how he will use pretense,
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cloaking. You know I tell people
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all the time that
sin is nothing more than
00:21:00.85\00:21:04.19
gift wrapped
garbage. And it comes to us
00:21:04.20\00:21:06.85
in this big shiny foil package,
00:21:06.86\00:21:09.03
it's all beautifully wrapped.
00:21:09.04\00:21:10.67
And the devil makes us believe
00:21:11.26\00:21:14.11
that it's going
to bring pleasure but
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that pleasure short
lived and then it brings
00:21:15.61\00:21:17.63
a lot. Everything
has an appeal, yes, yes.
00:21:17.64\00:21:20.50
So there was the pretense
00:21:20.98\00:21:22.52
and then there is
scapegoating where
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and the devil is you
know even for the war
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he led in heaven.
He was scapegoating
00:21:28.05\00:21:30.52
saying it's God's
fault because God's unfair.
00:21:30.53\00:21:33.14
Because he made
rules that we really
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aren't going to be
happy, aren't able to keep.
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And he is a tough one,
he is a divine paramour.
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He wants everybody to love him,
00:21:39.96\00:21:41.24
but then he doesn't give to us.
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Right, now then
there is the confusion
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and the devil will even
use scripture to confuse
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us just as he did
with Jesus in the desert.
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I mean he would say,
it is written you know,
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that he will not let you dash
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your foot against the stone.
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I mean he would use
scripture to test Jesus,
00:22:01.90\00:22:05.91
but Jesus knew his scriptures
00:22:06.37\00:22:08.22
and he would come back
00:22:08.23\00:22:09.20
and he'd say it is also written.
00:22:09.21\00:22:10.69
Well the new spirituality uses,
00:22:10.89\00:22:12.58
lots of scripture,
scripture all the way
00:22:13.05\00:22:14.05
through their
books. But they use,
00:22:14.06\00:22:15.72
they choose
like a cherry picker.
00:22:15.73\00:22:18.04
Just the ones that
they and half a text maybe.
00:22:18.51\00:22:20.81
And they will take it out of
00:22:20.95\00:22:21.92
context, out of
context, absolutely.
00:22:21.93\00:22:24.20
I did that was Rick Warren
00:22:24.33\00:22:25.41
when my other
book Truth Matters.
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It's marvelous how he uses text,
00:22:28.37\00:22:29.83
but they are
just trying to prove
00:22:29.84\00:22:32.51
his own presupposition,
00:22:32.52\00:22:33.89
not what the Bible
00:22:33.90\00:22:34.87
is saying. That would be
00:22:34.88\00:22:35.85
Rick Warren's book
the Purpose Driven Life,
00:22:35.86\00:22:37.21
yes, okay. Now well let's,
00:22:37.22\00:22:38.83
let's go on
before we might comeback
00:22:38.84\00:22:41.75
to that in a moment but
let's go on to coercion.
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That is another
one of Satan strategy.
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There was war in heaven.
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It ends up, evil always ends up
00:22:50.53\00:22:54.51
with some kind of coercion
00:22:54.52\00:22:55.70
and God had to step
in and said no more,
00:22:55.71\00:22:57.33
not in heaven.
And he was cast out,
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Revelation 12. And
ever since evil has
00:23:00.48\00:23:04.52
its own way of
trying to destroy people
00:23:04.53\00:23:06.80
who speak for God, alright.
00:23:06.81\00:23:08.40
Think of those three worthies
00:23:09.27\00:23:10.42
on the plain of Dura,
00:23:10.43\00:23:11.42
yes. That was a religious
liberty situation, yes.
00:23:12.08\00:23:15.12
And it got pretty
tough for those young men.
00:23:16.10\00:23:18.28
Mr. Shadrach, Meshach,
00:23:18.29\00:23:19.59
and Abednego.
That was coercion, yes,
00:23:19.60\00:23:21.52
if you don't bow down,
00:23:21.89\00:23:22.86
we're going to
throw you into the fire.
00:23:22.87\00:23:24.15
And they were
thrown in but God saved
00:23:24.54\00:23:26.55
those three young men.
00:23:26.56\00:23:27.61
The next one
was, because the devil
00:23:28.56\00:23:30.89
is trying to get rid of anybody
00:23:30.90\00:23:32.11
who speaks well of God.
00:23:32.12\00:23:33.25
See that's what
he hates so much.
00:23:33.83\00:23:35.60
He's been the one
who has given such a bad,
00:23:36.07\00:23:38.23
well bum wrap on
God all these years.
00:23:40.97\00:23:42.79
That God isn't what
he is trying to make
00:23:43.35\00:23:46.05
himself out to be. He is stern,
00:23:46.06\00:23:48.34
he is unforgiving.
00:23:48.35\00:23:49.55
And so Daniel
had clearly in mind,
00:23:50.00\00:23:53.42
he had wonderful,
well he didn't have
00:23:53.43\00:23:55.95
all of his
predictions yet and Daniel 6,
00:23:55.96\00:23:58.55
he has still had seven
and eight, nine to write.
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But he certainly had
it right on Daniel two,
00:24:00.93\00:24:03.04
the place of
God in the universe.
00:24:03.67\00:24:05.28
How do you get rid of Daniel?
00:24:06.06\00:24:07.27
They work out of situation
whereby he finally thrown
00:24:07.94\00:24:11.78
into the lions
den, that's coercion,
00:24:11.79\00:24:13.90
get rid of God's
people. And Herb,
00:24:14.64\00:24:16.98
wouldn't you even
agree all the devil's devices
00:24:16.99\00:24:21.70
in that using coercion
00:24:21.71\00:24:22.73
and I will give you an example
00:24:22.74\00:24:24.11
what I'm referring to,
00:24:24.12\00:24:25.26
and that would be
like alcohol, drugs.
00:24:25.74\00:24:31.14
You know anything that
the devil offers us is sin,
00:24:31.39\00:24:34.99
even if you want us,
00:24:35.46\00:24:36.52
we could throw in pornography,
00:24:37.07\00:24:38.41
we could throw in
sexual addictions.
00:24:38.42\00:24:40.57
Sin takes away
once you chose it,
00:24:41.29\00:24:44.92
you make the original choice
00:24:44.93\00:24:46.71
and sin pretty much
takes away your choice.
00:24:46.93\00:24:49.38
It's almost like the devils,
00:24:49.39\00:24:51.30
his tactics, it's something
00:24:51.75\00:24:53.38
that comes in
and it controls you.
00:24:53.39\00:24:55.47
It addicts you and you have,
00:24:55.48\00:24:57.94
you know you
lose that sensibility.
00:24:58.67\00:25:00.92
It's you build your
own chains of course.
00:25:00.93\00:25:02.26
So, we know that
God never controls us,
00:25:02.27\00:25:07.17
I mean we have to
yield control to him.
00:25:07.28\00:25:09.60
He never coerces
us, we chose everyday
00:25:10.08\00:25:13.65
whom we are going to serve.
00:25:13.66\00:25:14.92
But the devil what he
will do is he will make
00:25:15.41\00:25:17.57
something
titillating and provocative.
00:25:17.58\00:25:20.59
And it makes it interesting
00:25:20.60\00:25:21.91
and once you get
in there it's like
00:25:21.92\00:25:23.53
you lose your
choice. You know if you're,
00:25:23.54\00:25:25.67
you can't get out of
that. It's hard to get,
00:25:26.43\00:25:28.54
the impulsiveness takes over.
00:25:28.55\00:25:30.05
Right so, so we see that
00:25:30.06\00:25:31.92
if he's using pretense
00:25:34.00\00:25:36.06
and he's using this scapegoating
00:25:36.07\00:25:38.87
and he's using
coercion and confusion.
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How does all of
this play into end times?
00:25:41.86\00:25:44.73
Well, in earlier
discussion we had,
00:25:46.52\00:25:50.67
we talked about a perfect storm,
00:25:50.68\00:25:52.26
yes. Perfect storm
not just two storms
00:25:52.70\00:25:55.14
as we talked about
in 1991 North Atlantic.
00:25:55.15\00:26:00.29
But we have the
perfect storm of the multitude,
00:26:01.07\00:26:05.44
the frequency of the
impact of natural disasters,
00:26:05.45\00:26:08.32
increasingly awful.
00:26:08.76\00:26:10.09
We have an economic distress
00:26:10.69\00:26:12.57
that's going to be global,
00:26:12.58\00:26:13.69
international, interactive.
00:26:13.70\00:26:15.46
We are going to have
how the United States
00:26:15.88\00:26:17.69
a world power,
superpower becomes
00:26:17.75\00:26:20.66
a leading
influence in this world to,
00:26:21.50\00:26:23.67
to unite with the papal powers
00:26:27.00\00:26:29.77
in creating a peace effort.
00:26:29.86\00:26:34.80
A union of every willing heart
00:26:35.36\00:26:39.54
that wants a peaceful,
00:26:39.55\00:26:41.59
a peaceful kind of a world,
00:26:42.34\00:26:43.71
and the way you
identify with that is,
00:26:44.57\00:26:46.15
lets all get
together and we show
00:26:46.16\00:26:47.40
that we can be like
Americans used to be.
00:26:47.41\00:26:50.10
Worship together on
at least one day a week.
00:26:50.87\00:26:53.37
And so at the end of time,
00:26:55.71\00:26:58.33
we're going to
have that final coercive
00:26:58.34\00:27:00.91
kind of a dilemma,
00:27:03.62\00:27:05.30
where they will be
two classes of people.
00:27:06.73\00:27:08.34
Those who worship the God,
00:27:08.46\00:27:09.85
his Commandments
and the faith of Jesus,
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and those who
are going to coerce
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them to the
place where we're told
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that they'll
even try to annihilate
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them at the end of time,
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that's coercion, amen.
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Get rid of people
who love the Lord,
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amen. I can't
believe that we're already
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out of time again.
Please, get into the word of God
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and know what
the Bible has to say
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so that the devil cannot coerce
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you and he cannot confuse you.
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And he cannot use
pretense to trap you.
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So it is so important
for all of us that we know
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who our adversary is
and that he is a real being.
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May the Lord
bless you as you study
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His word and get
to know him better.
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