Participants: Shelley Quinn (Host), Herb Douglass
Series Code: IAA
Program Code: IAA000216
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00:30 Hello, I am Shelley Quinn,
00:31 and welcome to Issues and Answers. 00:33 Do you often contemplate 00:35 the science of the times; 00:36 you know we look around its amazing 00:38 what's going on in this world today. 00:40 Jesus told his disciples in Matthew 24 00:43 that the end of the age could be known 00:45 by the science by wars and rumors of wars, 00:48 and nation rising against nation famines, 00:51 pestilences earthquakes, 00:53 and he told them to be so careful 00:55 that their not deceived. 00:56 And in Matthew 24 and verse 42 00:59 he said watch therefore for you do not know 01:02 what hour your Lord is coming, 01:04 But know this, that if the master 01:06 of the house had known 01:07 what hour the thief would come, 01:09 he would have watched and not allowed 01:11 his house to be broken into. 01:13 Therefore you also be ready, 01:16 for the Son of Man is coming 01:18 at an hour you do not expect. 01:20 We have a marvelous program to you, 01:23 for you today and we are going to discuss 01:26 some of the signs of the end of the times. 01:29 And our special guest is an expert 01:32 in theology it's a matter of fact 01:34 it's my joy to introduce you 01:36 to Dr. Herbert Douglas. And Dr. Douglas, 01:40 thank you so much, 01:41 may I call you Herbert. 01:42 My pleasure! And you have your 01:45 Doctorial degree is in theology 01:47 you've been professor at from coast to coast, 01:50 alright Pacific Union and 01:52 Atlantic Union Colleges. 01:53 Tell our audience a little bit 01:55 more about some of the career paths 01:58 that the Lord has led you on. 01:59 Well, working with young people 02:02 in my life it's been a joy and then they call me 02:05 to be associate editor of the Review and, 02:07 at with our church paper, 02:08 and that was new experience talking 02:12 to the world field. Yes. 02:13 And then I went to Pacific Union, 02:16 well Pacific Press Publishing Association 02:18 well they ask me to be vice-president 02:21 for Editorial Development 02:23 just getting books ready that people need. 02:25 Wonderful, and then my last seven years 02:28 about 45 year career was at Weimar Institute. 02:32 Well, that was a challenge because 02:35 I had not been really prepared for, 02:37 but everything God had asked me 02:38 to do up until then I needed there 02:41 in that wonderful place. Amen. 02:43 But let me ask you a question, 02:44 I have noticed when I was looking through 02:46 your book you have authored 20 books, 02:49 20 books. How did you find time to do that 02:51 with everything else you were doing? 02:53 That's the fun part, 02:54 I never wrote a book on somebody else's time 02:57 always did it my own time weekends 03:00 I would type it out do it royal you know 03:03 my wife would edit it and we work it over 03:06 then she had to retype what we just edited 03:09 two or three, four times. 03:10 If was the computers came out, you know, 03:12 right, and it's all being the last two years ago, 03:15 we have the computer. 03:16 But we always had time 03:18 and the one time in the year when 03:20 we really got away from the phone this one 03:23 we took at cruse, and then everyday 03:26 we just worked over the papers 03:28 and press proofs and all that and that 03:31 was our vacation. 03:32 Oh! Glory to God I am glad that you spend 03:35 this time because I understand 03:38 that you have many good books out there, 03:40 and you are well read a well read author. 03:44 Now, your latest book, 03:47 I love the title of this it's called 03:49 Never Been This Late Before, 03:52 what gave you that idea for that title. 03:55 Well, a few years ago, 03:56 I heard the story the young teenager 03:58 in Northern Vermont, 03:59 and his job was to clean up a clock store 04:02 and to make sure the clocks are timing 04:06 at the same time have you ever been in a house, 04:07 yes, with a more than one clock, mine. 04:10 Okay, and my grandmother had one, 04:12 and it's quite a chore. 04:14 Well, we did it very well everyday 04:17 until one day at noontime one clock 04:20 was hitting twelve and then thirteen 04:23 and fourteen and fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, 04:26 thirty, thirty-one, thirty-two, 04:28 and he ran out of the store 04:30 crying in the street 04:31 its never been this late before. 04:32 Okay, okay. 04:34 And this the way I feel when I read 04:36 my newspapers my news magazines 04:40 is never been this late before. Amen. 04:44 Well, I noticed in your book Herbert 04:46 you have got a lot of statistics 04:49 about earthquakes, and pestilences 04:53 and famines and you know it occur to me 04:55 I mean the hurricanes many, 04:57 many things that your talking about here 04:59 it occur to me people are getting 05:01 rather use to people talking about 05:05 these kind of statistics, 05:07 what's different what so new about this 05:10 haven't we always had this kind of problems. 05:13 That's the issue Shelley, 05:14 pickup any book right now written 05:18 by an Adventist or Baptist or Methodist 05:20 whatever and they are using the same old generic 05:23 time that you have just read Matthew 24. 05:27 For the last 2000 years give me 05:32 any ten years in the last 2000 05:34 is not show you somebody, 05:35 somebody is read on Matthew 2 05:38 or Matthew 24 or Daniel 2. 05:40 The same text now we've been boring 05:43 people with in a way because 05:45 that's all they hear and finally 05:48 when we get bored you lose interest 05:50 and you will go into a kind of a spiritual Holiday 05:54 and so what's new that's not the way 05:57 we should go out my book is going to tackle 05:59 those signs in a different way. 06:01 And how, what is the different way 06:03 that you are tackling this? 06:04 I know that you really you dedicate 06:07 a whole chapter to economic troubles, 06:10 and what is this you know we have had the depression 06:14 before we've had stock market crashes, 06:17 but your convinced that the economic troubles 06:20 are really going to be a sign for us. 06:22 Do you remember back about 1991 06:26 of that perfect storm, yes, 06:28 on the East Coast and there were film on TV 06:31 about it, yes, I have good book about it, 06:33 and two monster storms come in up from Canada, 06:37 one come in up to East Coast colliding 06:40 that very often does its happen 06:42 in such a furious manner 06:44 and the ships have to come in of course, 06:46 and one ship was out too far trying to make 06:49 that last catch was in October 06:52 of the season Andrea Gail 06:53 and they didn't make. 06:56 Well, this world is not facing a perfect storm 07:01 of two colliding storms is seven 07:05 that you read in the book seven storms 07:07 converging at this time. 07:09 It's the monstrous mother of all perfect storms. 07:12 And what were those seven be if you can 07:14 site those? Well you already mentioned one, 07:17 but I am going to look at why there is enormous 07:20 of earthquakes in my first chapter? 07:22 And then you discover I will go for more later, 07:25 how there has been a great increase 07:29 of frequency of this storms? 07:31 I am just taking this from 1900 absolutely 07:33 and not only frequency, 07:35 but the terrifying increased storms 07:41 we have it just been for our own 07:43 and then war the same way and earthquakes 07:48 and tornadoes its statistics are telling us 07:51 something that we haven't seen before 07:54 its really a storm that we haven't seen. 07:56 And next one is economic crisis the stress not 08:01 just in this country every country in the world 08:04 is facing the same global kind of interconnection 08:08 of economic trouble that we never seen before. 08:12 I guess when you consider the fact 08:14 if you want to think about international 08:17 financial collapse, when we consider 08:20 the fact that the United States 08:21 has barrowed so much money that we even 08:24 barrowing money to pay the interest 08:26 on what we owe is my understanding 08:28 we can't pay the interest on the depth that owe. 08:32 If somebody, If somebody were together, 08:35 if we collapse everybody else is gonna collapse 08:39 and if one of them collapses and calls us, 08:41 we are all gonna collapse. 08:42 Hey you get to be an expert that's the way 08:45 it is it's a domino effect isn't it? 08:47 Japan and China own more of our treasury bucks 08:54 by far this 70, 75 percent that we hold them right, 09:00 if ever start have a little trouble over there 09:02 they want to take out some of that money 09:04 somebody is got to pay them, 09:06 anyway we will get into that. 09:08 But when we talk about the signs in Matthew 24 09:13 there is something interesting that Jesus 09:14 give us to clue on. He said after you see 09:17 the signs of the war and violence 09:19 be not alarmed he said this is not the big end 09:23 of anything just the beginning. 09:24 And then he talks about the sorrow these 09:29 are just a beginning of sorrows of birth pains, 09:34 birth pains are you know something about that? 09:36 No. Unfortunately I have not had children, 09:39 but I know a lot of people who are been 09:42 through with them anyway. 09:43 Well, any, any woman who has given the birth 09:45 understands immediately what that word says 09:49 but it is not translated in a way that 09:51 you can understand it better its gonna be like 09:53 birth pains and you know after nine months 09:56 go by there is some indications 09:58 there is something is about to happen 10:00 and some times labor begins 10:02 two weeks in advance we get a little clue 10:05 there and then about 20 minutes 10:08 you gonna have the crib ready 10:09 and the carburetor gassed up, 10:11 10 minutes you will becoming more frequent, 10:14 becoming more obvious and something is about 10:19 to happen and in 5 minutes 10:20 she might be in the hospital, yeah. 10:22 That's where we are today the birth pains 10:25 of this world have become so frequent 10:27 and so much more powerful, 10:29 it just like the dam is about to break, 10:32 that's true, just like woman's water breaks 10:34 she know, exactly what were above begins. 10:37 We are not talking theory you know 10:39 we are talking about the evidence 10:41 we can look at in this book. 10:42 And we certainly know that at least today, 10:45 you know, we've talked you go anywhere 10:47 and you talk with anybody 10:48 and I think one of the primary topics 10:50 is the price of oil, and people see that 10:54 it wouldn't take much to really create an economic 10:58 disaster in United States. 11:00 Chapter 2 goes into that, 11:01 the very fact you have mentioned 11:02 in this chock points and it processing of oil 11:06 around this world. 11:07 Well I just yesterday one of the biggest 11:10 oil producers in Alaska shutdown, 11:13 yes, and it will be for weeks to come 11:15 they have raised the price 11:17 of gas maybe $4, $5. 11:19 Well, you know, I shouldn't say $4, $5, 11:21 but 2, 4 price of oil would be $4, $5 11:24 and maybe raise at $0.25 per more on the gas. 11:27 We've been seeing anything else. 11:29 You know when you think about 11:30 I often heard, heard that you know 11:33 people will say I can't believe that 11:35 the United States whatever change from the democracy 11:39 that we are in, but we saw during 9/11 11:41 when people were willing to give up 11:43 there freedoms to, to have more security 11:48 and right now I have people talking 11:50 I am just while here, 11:51 I can go to the gas service station 11:54 and you get people talking they are ready 11:56 for the government to come in and put a cap 11:58 on this or takeover the oil industry 12:00 or there is many things that are already 12:03 been setup. How do you see the United States 12:07 fitting into the Bible scenario in time events? 12:12 You know 100 years ago, 12:14 when Adventists were talking about 12:16 the United States of prophecy. 12:17 For many people it sound delusionary, 12:21 100 years ago, but right about then 12:24 Teddy Roosevelt our president 12:26 sent the American fleet pin 12:29 of the all light and sent them all around 12:31 the world to every nation really 12:34 they had a port, emphasizing that hey 12:39 we are here we are world power, 12:40 and then the first world war they needed us 12:43 to stop the first world war in France, 12:46 we never have to emphasize what we had 12:50 to do in the second world war it's there, 12:52 we had to do something about it 12:54 and then with the go for came no body questioned 12:59 after that who was the world's super power 13:01 no body questioned that. 13:02 No, what is that's all mean in Bible prophecy 13:06 we understand and we could work that else 13:08 every time that you don't have to use 13:11 imagination to see how this world this country 13:16 influences how the world things about 13:18 and then relief who do they turn to when 13:21 they want famine relief for example 13:23 well they want us to help out in some military 13:29 problem they always want something from us 13:32 because we have the technique 13:33 and the ability and confidence and so forth. 13:35 We spend far our more money on our military, 13:39 far more than many, many, 13:42 countries put together, 13:43 and so we are that will super power. 13:46 So, what does that happen during 13:48 the end time events? 13:49 Well, according to Revelation 11 and 14 13:56 and 13 you have this young nation arising 14:03 become a super power that will be used 14:07 by evil forces I hate to put it that way 14:12 the land of the free the home of the brave 14:14 makes you feel talking like this. 14:17 But they won't recognize that is used by 14:20 evil forces, I mean maybe 14:21 the evil force behind it, 14:23 but would you agree that it doesn't their 14:26 not gonna recognized that it is an evil force 14:29 I know that. Any time you started thinking about 14:31 conversing somebody else's 14:33 fundamental believes, you got a problem 14:36 with evil. Yeah. But you already 14:38 mentioned that earlier that when this nation 14:40 is concerned more about security 14:42 than about freedom the time comes 14:44 when it is more important to get together, 14:46 stay together and not have device element 14:50 such as somebody's theology separating us, 14:52 I say doesn't like the theology 14:54 its time to get together like brothers 14:57 and sisters of the Lord, 14:59 God blesses a righteous nation 15:00 that show God that we indeed 15:03 are going to find the America that once was, 15:05 and we are going to have him prominently 15:13 not only abide in a way, 15:15 but we are gonna show him one day 15:16 a week that we are United nation in this country 15:20 and that makes that world empire 15:25 will show the whole world how to bring 15:27 people together. 15:28 It's not the time for device theology, 15:30 it's not the time for any of distraction, 15:34 but dialogue and diversity, 15:36 understanding everybody 15:38 had the right to their own opinion 15:39 let's just worry about how to get together 15:42 can we all get along. 15:43 And you know we have seen this setup, 15:46 I was I mean in so many ways, 15:49 but particularly I recently heard that 15:52 they were talking about oh in England trying 15:56 to pass a law about hate crimes 16:00 that if you say anything against another religion, 16:03 or gender, or gender its consider the hate crime. 16:06 So, we see that if that passes in England 16:12 or past year. Its already past in Canada, 16:14 and we're seeing it that all of the sudden 16:16 is going to be where we have no freedom of speech 16:20 that we know that somebody could be 16:21 publishing heresy about this Bible about our God, 16:27 and according to our religious tenants 16:33 and our foundation and our believe 16:35 if we speak out and say some ones wrong 16:39 that we get into prison, 16:41 and we see people who are ready to pass 16:44 this law just, in the United States, 16:47 in the United States just because someone 16:49 has said well we will get rid of hate crimes. 16:52 Absolutely. So, here we see then the United States 16:56 is according to Bible prophecy this nation, 17:00 this nation with the land like horns they raised up 17:05 out of the earth and it's gonna speak 17:08 or look like lamb speak like a dragon eventually. 17:11 We see that we are getting into this place 17:14 where we are super powering now 17:16 we could exercise that authority 17:19 and have exercise the authority to sanction. 17:21 How can that all happen you see 17:22 there are politicians of course 17:24 one of be constitutionally correct, 17:28 Yeah. But we live in a world 17:30 where political corruption, 17:31 where all kinds of pressures 17:34 are put on politicians, 17:35 and in this country we have done a number 17:38 of things against jogs, 17:39 what this is for example for suing the flag, 17:41 yes and be thrown in jail. 17:43 We have done a number of the Japanese 17:48 into concentration camps, 17:49 violated our constitution. 17:51 So, appealing to the constitution is not 17:55 always the last refugee, 17:56 we are going to have a day 17:58 day while it seems better 18:00 to vote for the majority and the minority 18:04 will have to come along or else. 18:06 I don't if your here but down in Missouri 18:08 they tried to pass a law that was gonna 18:10 make Christian, Christianity 18:12 the majority religion. Amazing! 18:15 And you know its hard I know 18:17 I can understand is a difficult thing to say 18:20 that I want to pass laws to protect a Muslim 18:23 or Hindu's freedom, 18:24 but if I want to protect my freedom 18:27 even though I may totally disagree with them, 18:29 but we've got to protect their freedom as well, 18:31 but that is all being thrown, 18:33 but you becoming intolerant by pursing, 18:34 the Christian emphasis, you are intolerant. 18:37 And you know it's just interesting 18:39 that it's kind of a sea-saw back and forth, 18:43 you not gonna win? 18:44 No but now here is the United States 18:46 is we see in prophecy and representing 18:50 Protestantism. How do you see 18:54 the Vatican and the Catholic system 18:59 fitting into? Anybody 19:00 who has been looking at anything 19:03 the last 50 years has to be simply amaze 19:06 at the rise of people influence in this world. 19:10 And Pope John II was a poster boy 19:13 of the best side of Catholics 19:17 he was a neat guy. Yes. 19:19 I mean he was everybody love the guy, 19:21 when he died look how many people 19:23 look how many people that who they were 19:25 they came to his funeral nothing like in the world 19:27 of course with the grad design of the Vatican 19:30 if you read about in their own books 19:33 that's where I get my information. 19:36 They understand themselves 19:40 to be the more continuous of the world, 19:42 and we have many, 19:44 many incidences in this country 19:46 where we even had a medal produced 19:50 authorized by the Congress recognizing 19:53 them as a moral influence in this world 19:56 its amazing oh this is happened 19:58 in the last you know give it 50 years, 20:01 and United States is handing globe 20:05 of course on common interest 20:08 common causes you will not be religious at first 20:11 you will be the, we are interested 20:13 in the common concerns with poverty 20:16 and lack of education in many countries 20:19 and bringing people up to speed 20:21 so that they can participate in the rest 20:24 of the world that. Where moving aid 20:28 is a problem all of these are common causes 20:30 that and very good causes, 20:32 abortion for example to join this 20:34 no more murdering of the infants 20:36 it's a slam dunk as the how the leaders 20:42 of this country the leaders of the papacy 20:44 come together on common causes 20:45 and of these just one of those simple things 20:49 not that the Catholic Church 20:51 is telling in United States which day 20:52 to worship on we will tell the Catholic Church 20:55 that we're gonna worship 20:56 on that day which of course its. 20:57 And Dr. Douglas, I think if somebody is you 21:00 and I really understand what we are talking about 21:02 because our Church has been very is noted 21:07 for its studies on prophecy, 21:09 but how would you for some one 21:11 who is out there watching who is saying 21:13 so what if the United States 21:15 and the Catholic Church the papal system. 21:18 So what if they come together 21:20 on all these issues. 21:21 So, what if the ecumenical 21:24 societies win out, 21:25 and we all become one happy religion 21:28 why should we be concerned about 21:29 those things? Well, it will be wonderful 21:33 if he didn't matter to the Lord. 21:35 Truths Does Matter that was the title 21:37 the last book I wrote. 21:38 Truth Does Matter is not how 21:40 I feel about it anything that matters really 21:43 and God isn't going to redeem rebels, 21:48 rebels will not live forever is not going 21:51 have sin just keep ongoing 21:53 and there are many, many people out there 21:58 in the Buddhist and Hindu religions 22:01 in the Catholic Church, in the Baptist Church, 22:03 Methodist Church, Adventist Church 22:05 who will see more clearly as time goes on 22:08 that there are going to be two groups of people 22:11 in this world before law its shaping up 22:14 those who are willingly obedient what God 22:17 has asked to do they will be part of Matthew 22:22 or Revelation 14 were God's sources loudly 22:25 says that when I hear those willingly obedient, 22:28 just obedient and those over here who keep my 22:32 commandments in the faith of Jesus 22:34 there is only two groups in the end you can judge 22:37 a minister in any church but what do you think 22:41 about the end of the world in theology. 22:43 So, let me see if I understand what you saying 22:48 if I can summarize this. 22:49 There are many well meaning good Christians, 22:55 Amen. And we believe that God's children 22:57 are in every denomination, amen amen. 22:59 But the Bible clearly tell us in Revelation 18 23:03 it tell us the he is calling 23:05 he says come out of her Babylon 23:08 which is a false worship system in worship 23:10 come out of her my people 23:12 and at the end of the times the Lord 23:15 is gonna stand up with the Three Angels Messages 23:18 of Revelation 14 saying worship the creator God, 23:23 God you know do not take the mark 23:25 on your forehead and we as church believe 23:29 and I believe that this was proven to me 23:32 before I became an Adventist 23:33 just a few years ago when I first heard 23:36 the Adventist are interpretation 23:40 of prophecy it was like unlike anything 23:43 I never heard, so I would study 23:45 and study and study against the scriptures 23:48 and I though this is the answer all of the answers 23:51 were found in scripture rather than 23:53 supplying it from the outside. 23:55 So, well we see going on is the fulfillment of Bible 24:01 prophecy and going toward a forced 24:06 Sunday keeping religion which is part of the 24:09 system of Babylon. 24:11 We are leaving out one element 24:13 and that is uniting protestants and Catholics 24:17 and all kinds of even religions is spiritualism, 24:23 yes, you see that's one thing that they 24:26 are together on without really be in cautious 24:29 about it the immortal soul we all believe 24:32 in someway people don't well they don't 24:36 rest in grave they either go to eternal hell 24:39 or eternal heaven and or you just never die 24:45 anyway just keep on going but when you have 24:47 that is a common thread that pulls them together 24:50 you have something ó awesome 24:52 who is gonna deny, if your father 24:56 and mother or some love one or a close friend 25:00 comes to you after they are that 25:02 and talk to you just as you and talk 25:05 about things only you and they understand, 25:07 its happening right now its happening, yeah, 25:10 we have a TV network Psychic network 25:13 that's what they do, yeah, a whole TV network 25:17 on this that's all we see everyday. 25:18 You know I have to quickly inject my sister 25:22 I thought when I was sharing 25:24 with my sister from Matthew 5: 28, 29 25:26 how Jesus at his return will speak to all 25:29 who were in their graves and some would come 25:31 forth to everlasting life and some to everlasting 25:33 destruction she was going wait a minute 25:35 what do mean in the graves and see even though 25:39 she was a Sabbath Keeper 25:40 she is not an Adventist 25:42 and she didn't know the truth about the 25:44 state of the dead they were resting 25:45 in their graves. She was so mad 25:47 at me to think that our mother 25:49 was in heaven that she was screening at me 25:52 and then she went and did I said go get 25:54 your concordance out and do this Bible study 25:56 and she became convinced that were 25:59 she had been about spiritualism. 26:02 So, how does all of theses thing, 26:03 everything that we discussing today 26:05 how does this is come together to make 26:06 the perfect storm? What we have then is, 26:11 people who unit together on such common 26:14 bonds as a mortality disorder, alright. 26:18 Common bonds and God must be within you 26:23 because your part of his creation 26:26 that you're not just his handy work, 26:28 but that God is within you that's new 26:30 spirituality by the way that's sweeping 26:32 this country, sure, for the last 20-25 years, 26:35 you never heard anything like this we use to call 26:37 it new age. Well, that went underground 26:39 as come up as new spirituality 26:41 I take you into any books store 26:42 any book stores, especially Christian 26:45 books stores and most of the books 26:48 are written by new spirituality, 26:49 Wayne Dyer or Alistair Grab, 26:52 or Dallas Willard or Richard Foster 26:56 this are gracious wonderful people, 26:58 but they believe that they good within you 27:01 just bring in out becoming then you wanted 27:03 to do as long as you concentrate on the good 27:05 within I am gonna argue with that where 27:08 their everybody is simple out, 27:09 I agree you good too. 27:10 And they use the scripture the Kingdom of God 27:13 is with them and they'll take out context 27:15 and not apply the rest of the Bible. 27:17 We are almost already out of time, 27:19 I want you to come back 27:21 and let's talk about new spirituality 27:24 so that people really understand 27:26 what's going on. I understand. 27:27 I would like to understand more too 27:29 you know and what. I understand. 27:30 I want to invite you to contact Amazing Facts 27:34 at amazing facts.org and get this wonderful book 27:37 Never Been this Late Before by 27:39 Dr. Herbert Edgar Douglass, 27:42 and please you know Jesus said that 27:45 we could be deceived and we can be deceived 27:48 if we don't know the word of God. Amen. 27:51 You must get into the Bible 27:53 and get to know the word. |
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