Hello, I'm Shelley
Quinn and welcome again
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to Issues And
Answers. You now this is a
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program where
we recognize we all
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have issues and we
want to try to find
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some answers and
today we have with
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us again Dr. Subodh
Pandit, I knew the last name,
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I was trying to say
that first name right,
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you did. Doctor,
we are so glad that
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you've come to join
us again all the way from
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Hendersonville,
North Carolina and
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you are an ER
doctor, born in India, you
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grew up in a culture
that was multifaceted
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and very diverse
religious groups in India.
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Right. So, I would
like to just kind of
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recap what we've
talked about in our
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previous
programs. You being brought
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up in a
Christian home got to that
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place where you didn't want to
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accept just
what your parents had
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taught you, you
really got to that
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point of seeking and saying what
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religion is right
and then even is there
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really a God. So,
tell us very briefly
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about that
experience. In the beginning it
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was a question
of is your religion
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correct and true,
and then I realized
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that there were others who were
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saying that maybe
there is no God at all,
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that really
struck me and I said well
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if I have to say
something like that
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I had to have some evidence,
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something that would satisfy my
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own mind and
heart and so we began
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the search of looking for any
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kind of evidence that
would establish or destroy it.
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We looked at those
what we call circumstantial
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and logical analysis
and statistical analysis.
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When it was all
done I realized that
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anybody, that's what I thought
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anyone with an inquiring, fair,
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honest, open mind
would find that the
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evidences are too
strong in favor of
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there being somebody out there.
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Absolutely, particularly
the science of probability,
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when we were examining that in
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our last program
I thought that was
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very compelling
evidence, it makes
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me wonder how anyone who is
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being fair could say
that there wasn't a God.
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So, we've also examined what is
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truth and we talked about three
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different types of
truth, the traditional
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truth, we talked
about the modernism
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and post
modernism and you showed us
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very distinctly
why we should we look
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at the traditional and why you
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choose that, would
you like to share that?
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Yes, there was
a point when I was
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looking at these
three that actually
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I have discarded
all three, because
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when I looked at
the traditional it
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was so uninviting
with all the treachery
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and deceit and
corruption, then we
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went to modernism and
found that would not really
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answer my
questions, post modernism would
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not stand to just
reasonable scrutiny,
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that's
impractical. At that point I was
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a little
disconcerted because if I had
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discarded all
three what would I have,
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I reviewed what I have done and
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I realized I've made one unfair
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judgment on traditional theism.
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The other two I
had looked at the
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substance of
what they were saying.
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Right, for
traditional theism I had looked
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at people's
behavior, the jihads.
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Very interesting, yes.
The crusades, inquisition.
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The fact was once
you turn your eyes away
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from that and look
at others I found some
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very lovable,
beautiful people who said that
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religion was what
motivated them to be that way.
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So, here was bad
behavior and here's
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wonderful behavior. So
in my mind I questioned
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can't a same family
have one of them grow
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up to be a real hero
in society and another
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maybe a
criminal, the same family,
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I could not fault the family.
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So instead of now
looking at the people's
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behavior I said let
me scrutinize the actual
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substance of what
they were talking about,
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that is why I chose
to go the way to look at
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traditional
theism. But if we're gonna
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looking at traditional
truth then we have to
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go back to the books of
antiquity, that's right,
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because otherwise
there is so much that's
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been kind of
brought into we call truth,
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you know, yes,
after you've gone through
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modernism and post modernism.
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So how did you approach this?
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Well, first is to
ask what is this thing
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called literature of antiquity.
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The word antiquity
is just means ancient.
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Whatever that was religious,
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that was ancient,
which had come down
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to us in whatever
form that was what I would
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look at and when I
looked at that I was
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amazed and here is
one of the slides I would
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like to put up which
shows us that it is not
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just one or two, it's a
huge spectrum out there.
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Zoroastrianism,
Buddhism, Islam, Christianity,
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Confucianism and the
rest, I was overwhelmed
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at that point.
And which of these
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when you're looking
at these old writings,
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which is the oldest?
I think we would have
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to agree that it is probably the
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Zoroastrian and the Hindu is the
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oldest ones, even
older than the Bible.
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Yes, even older than the Bible.
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Well, I would say
it's arguably older, okay.
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And then when
you're looking at these,
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which, how do you
choose from all of these.
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How do you choose
which one that you're
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going to start studying?
Like I said you're first
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overwhelmed and the
next thing is can I go
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and look at this or look
at that, and I realized if
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I started out that way.
I wouldn't get completely
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overwhelmed even
further because there's
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a huge list out there,
so what I did was begin
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to ask people around
me, what their opinion
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was of this huge
list; and that's when I
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found there were two
distinct approaches to
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this literature and
one was you would find a
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person saying there
is only one way and that
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way is mine. It's
called exclusivism,
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in other words
everything is wrong
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expect mine, exclusively mine.
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There was a
distinct other claim from a
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group who were
saying, no way can
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you say only one way,
it has to be that all of
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these religions they
are different paths but will
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end up in the same
final destination or
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goal, pluralism,
that's called pluralism,
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so here is
exclusivism and pluralism.
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So instead of
going directly to the
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literature, I have
to now decide which one
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was more relevant
then the other or which
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made more sense.
So, how did you go
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about deciding
that? Well, I had decided
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that we were going to
look at the literature,
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right, and here
was a group stating
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something, I wanted
to see whether this idea
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of pluralism would be
found in the writings.
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So I asked this
question of the writing
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themselves what is
the writing claiming to be
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and we have here
on this slide, some of
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their statements.
Number one from the
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Bhagavad Gita, here is
the introduction to the
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Bhagavad Gita page
33 in which it says
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very clearly, let there
be one scripture for the
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whole world Bhagavad
Gita. Let there be one God
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for the whole world
Sri Krishna and one hymn,
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one mantra, one prayer
the chanting of his name.
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So this is from
the Hindu religion.
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Bhagavad Gita which
is thought by many to
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be the core of Hindu thought.
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Here is another
statement and another
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slide from Zoroastrianism.
Okay. Isaiah 45:23
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says "For thus saith
the Lord who created the
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Heavens who is God,
who formed the Earth
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I am the Lord and
there is no other."
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I would like to
mention also one more
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slide here from
the Islamic tradition,
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they have a verse
which is chapter 22
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and verse 255 of the
Quran. It is called coronations
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verse of the Quran I
would like to read it
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out and here it is
on the screen. Yes.
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Allah! There is no
God but he, the living,
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the self
subsisting supporter of all,
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his are all things in
the heavens and on earth,
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his throne doth
extend over the Earth.
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He is the most
high, the Supreme.
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When you come to
New Testament for
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instance also Jesus,
the words regarding Jesus
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say there is no
other name under Heaven,
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Exodus 12. Amen.
So, you know, its
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so amazing the
coronation verse from
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the Quran, if you
look at First Chronicles
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chapter 29 and
before the program you read
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that to me and it
was so amazing because
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my Bible happened to
be open right here to
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First Chronicles 29
and verse 11 and the
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Bible says "Yours, O
Lord is the greatness
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and the power and
the glory in the victory
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and the majesty, for
all that is in the heavens
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and the earth is
yours, yours is the Kingdom,
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O Lord, and yours it is
to be exalted head over all."
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Which almost the
Quran sounds like,
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that verse sounds
almost exactly like this
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verse and the Bible
was written and when
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was the Quran
written? It was put together
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about 652 what is called CE,
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Common Era which
is the same as AD.
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So this was written
centuries and centuries
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before the Quran was written,
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that's
interesting. So, when you've got
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all these verses I
mean all of these various
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religions and they're
all claiming ours is the
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only way and I have a
dear friend in London,
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England and she
embraces all religions,
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I mean she practices
pluralism and she has a
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very difficult time
with me because I believe
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the Bible and
Bible only and so we go
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back and forth and
I have given her some
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persuasive arguments
but she hasn't accepted yet.
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When each religion
is saying, yeah, ours is
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the right way what you do?
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One of the ways
really of looking at that is
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also to ask and
look for other statements
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and we do find them
in their scriptures.
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Not only are they
saying that they are the
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only way, they also
very clearly sometimes
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point to the others and
say they're not the way,
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let me give you an
example. Gautama Buddha, the
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founder of Buddhism
he clearly stated in his
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writings that the
idea of the immortal soul,
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or the self that
will finally merge with
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Brahman was the
most delusional idea ever
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brought to humanity
and that idea is the
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heart of Hinduism
and he's the founder of
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Buddhism and talking
about Hinduism saying
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that it really does
not, is not true and not only
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it's not true it's a
delusion, and that is
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the heart of
Hinduism. Another example is
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from say the Quran
itself, very clearly
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the Quran states that
there was a burden of the
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Torah, meaning
the Old Testament,
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given to a certain
group of people and
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they rejected it,
they are like a donkey laid
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in with books,
they are wretched.
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In other words, and
this is reference to
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clearly to the Jews
and the Christians who
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were given that revelation.
Right, so not only are
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these religions
stating that they are
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themselves true, they
also clearly stating that
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the others are
not. Jehovah in the Old
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Testament said
there is no God before me,
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nor will there
ever be after me. Right.
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So their statements
are very, very clear that
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they claimed to be exclusive.
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Here's another statement from
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somebody else who
has looked into this and
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his name is Ravi Zacharias,
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quite an eloquent
sharp thinker, Christian
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philosopher and
author, that's right.
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I am gonna read it
out and it's on the board.
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At the heart of
every religion is an
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uncompromising commitment
to a particular way of
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defining who God is
or is not and accordingly
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of defining life's
purpose. Every religion at its
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core is exclusive,
so when I read these
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which he simply
saying that every
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religion believes that
they are the only right
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way which Christianity
believes, all of them so
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when you compare that with what
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Pluralism is saying,
it really does not stand
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to a scrutiny of
the written scriptures.
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So I had to call it
a somebody's opinion.
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Okay, so let me
see then because what
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we've just done is we
have two options, yes,
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either we were
saying that the religion,
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there is a one way
right religion or all
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religions will
lead to the same places.
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So in examining the
books of Antiquity and
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the writings of
Antiquity you found
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that all of the religions,
the major religions are
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saying there is
only one way and so this
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then since we're
going in the process here of
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elimination, now
you've eliminated the
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idea of Pluralism
and now what you have is
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multiple claims that
these major religions
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are the only one
way, now what you do?
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That's right, now
that's the natural next
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question because
we not answered it
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the final question.
If there are so many
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then which one,
just look out they said
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there is one does
not mean we have come to
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any conclusion because there is
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more than one like you said.
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So when I looked at
that, I decided to just
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put simple common
sense and logic and
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reasoning into play
here. When there is two or
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three or four persons
claiming to be champions,
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how would I look at
it, in other words what
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are the options
there are in this approach.
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I thought hard and
long and I will confess
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that this was one of
the toughest aspects of my
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entire search of all
these years, to try to
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come to some kind
of an idea after months
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and years of
looking at it from every
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conceivable angle
I could I found there
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were only three
options and not more
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than three. Number
one, all of them were
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correct, which is
the most unreasonable,
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illogical, number
two, all of them were
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wrong, that was
not jarring to my
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reasoning or my
sense of common sense,
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but when I looked
at that there were two
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things that really
became obstacles for
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me to accept
that. Number one, how
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would I call any of
them wrong when I did
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not have what was
right in my hands.
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Okay, so there is no
reference point for me
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to get them to
compare themselves to say that
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they were right or
wrong. I had no way of
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calling them
wrong and number two,
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if I call them all
wrong, well that's the
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place I got the idea of God.
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So if they're all wrong
there wouldn't be a God.
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So you can
basically then eliminate
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that first option.
No, I had to eliminate
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the second option,
leaving me with only
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one which is the
third and that is that there
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is only one of those
claims that are being
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made out there that is
true, that is legitimate.
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In other words there
is only one religion that
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can lay claim
to be the only way.
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When you were
reading and studying
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and researching
this, did you start with a
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particular
religion like the Muslim or
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Hinduism or Christianity or the
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Judaism, where did you begin?
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I really had to
start with being a person
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on the street with no
religious loyalty at all
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and so when I came
to this I continued
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maintaining the
idea and the mind of an
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inquirer, no
loyalties, I'm just looking.
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So at this point when
I came to, there is only
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one, it was a
little frightening, because
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if there is only one I
better find it and I am
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I in that one,
right, so it became quite
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an intense search at
that point because this
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was not somebody
telling me, this was the
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force of
information and the force of
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reasoning and logic
that brought me to that
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point that there is just one.
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So did you study
these different books in a
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parallel fashion or
did you study one and
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study another, how
did you go about this?
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Once we came up to
that I had to first make
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up my mind how
would I approach them.
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One is to look for
all the mistakes that they
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made or
something that was wrong or
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something I did not
like and one that had
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the most number of
unacceptable features,
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I put them aside
and then go that way,
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but I realized I
couldn't do that because
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I myself was not a
standard, I approached
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them as if they were
all champions stating
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the truth. I would
take their claims face value
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and just read out
what they would reply to a
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set of questions that
I would pose all of them
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and I chose just
five world religions,
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which were? Which
were Hinduism, Buddhism,
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the Islamic faith,
Judaism and Christianity.
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The reason I
choose those and not
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something else
like say Confucianism or
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Taoism, because it
was an intense search for
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me and I'd like to maybe give an
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example of how you will do it.
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If I lost my child
and I went to a group of
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people, I said had
you seen my child and
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three people raised
their hands and only
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three out of the ten
but one said they saw
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my child in Los
Angles, somebody else said
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New York and
somebody else said London.
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Who would I begin
asking, would I began
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asking those who
never raised their
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hands, see I'm
intensively in search,
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I will ask those who
replied to my answer,
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right, similarly
here I wanted somebody to
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tell me that they
had information that was
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superior than
anything else beyond a human
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manufacturing,
nobody did it in their own
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minds and so with
that idea I eliminated
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Confucianism and
Taoism, Communism because
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these are mainly
philosophies which
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you and I also can have. Right.
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So I wanted to look at
those that are claiming
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to have got information
from the other worlds,
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supernatural, from
supernatural world.
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That is why I chose these five.
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Okay, and in your
studies as you were
00:20:52.44\00:20:55.47
doing this, coming as
a true inquirer, one who
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is not going to set
up, establish a belief
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without some true
evidence and this,
00:21:03.92\00:21:06.62
were there times that
you felt like you were
00:21:07.99\00:21:09.95
swaying between
or among these five.
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It was a common
thing, for one thing we
00:21:14.97\00:21:19.14
had mentioned earlier
that one o f the factors
00:21:19.15\00:21:21.93
that would help us maintain the
00:21:21.94\00:21:24.76
atmosphere of an inquirer is the
00:21:24.77\00:21:26.82
atmosphere of
humility. One of the Hallmarks
00:21:26.83\00:21:31.53
of humility is that
you really don't know
00:21:31.54\00:21:34.28
everything and so
even after you've come to a
00:21:34.29\00:21:39.52
particular
conclusion you still have
00:21:39.53\00:21:43.14
questions remaining
and here I would like
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to really quote an
author and I read many
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authors on this too,
she is I think arguably the
00:21:48.52\00:21:53.10
most prolific
woman writer in history.
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I really admire and
respect her, her name
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is Ellen White.
She wrote and said
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the truth will
stand scrutiny, amen,
00:22:02.66\00:22:05.07
she wrote also and
said, the closer you
00:22:05.77\00:22:07.25
examine it the
brighter it will shine. Amen.
00:22:07.26\00:22:10.20
And she also said
that if you want to really
00:22:10.72\00:22:13.49
rest your ideas
and faith on anything
00:22:13.50\00:22:16.57
please rest it on
evidence of whatever type,
00:22:17.08\00:22:21.13
make the evidence count for you,
00:22:22.33\00:22:24.16
so at that point
when you're looking
00:22:24.89\00:22:27.04
for evidence,
yes, evidence here and
00:22:27.05\00:22:29.90
evidence there,
your mind can swing back
00:22:29.91\00:22:32.22
and forth but finally
there is a way in which
00:22:32.23\00:22:36.84
the weight of evidence
points to the real way.
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Now, was your family
at this time you were
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married with three
children, when you're
00:22:45.11\00:22:47.50
going through this
search, were they also
00:22:47.51\00:22:52.00
of the Christian persuasion?
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They were, and
they were extremely
00:22:54.63\00:22:56.63
worried about what
was happening to me,
00:22:56.64\00:22:58.68
in fact my
children would come up to my
00:22:58.69\00:23:00.76
wife and say is dad
doing the right thing,
00:23:00.77\00:23:04.32
going in such an intense manner,
00:23:04.33\00:23:06.88
what if he
doesn't find anything,
00:23:07.24\00:23:09.14
you know upset
his mental balance.
00:23:10.83\00:23:13.23
So it was a real
thing in our home,
00:23:14.49\00:23:16.69
it was very intense
and obviously it was
00:23:17.37\00:23:20.43
apparent to the
rest of the family
00:23:20.64\00:23:23.27
that I was
struggling. And so as you were
00:23:23.28\00:23:25.96
through this
struggle, which I believe
00:23:25.97\00:23:27.96
personally that
the Lord led you on to
00:23:28.51\00:23:30.74
knowing your
personality He led you through
00:23:31.08\00:23:34.45
this just so that
you can do what you're
00:23:34.46\00:23:36.85
doing today and
Dr. Pandit has seminars
00:23:36.86\00:23:41.86
called come search with me.
00:23:42.14\00:23:43.74
Seminars where he
presents this information about
00:23:44.23\00:23:47.21
his 20 plus years
search for truth and
00:23:47.72\00:23:50.74
how he has come to
that conclusion beyond
00:23:50.75\00:23:54.88
any reasonable
doubt in his mind and you
00:23:55.51\00:23:57.95
are one who
really has eliminated the
00:23:57.96\00:24:00.49
reasonable doubts
that there is the God and
00:24:00.50\00:24:04.34
Jesus Christ is the son
of God who died for our sins.
00:24:04.35\00:24:07.96
So when you
finished with all of this
00:24:08.70\00:24:12.88
evidence and by
the time you had read
00:24:12.89\00:24:15.18
through the antiquities
and we're gonna take,
00:24:15.19\00:24:16.74
you're coming back,
thank goodness, so that
00:24:16.75\00:24:19.60
we can examine
some of what you went
00:24:19.61\00:24:22.37
through and how,
I have never seen
00:24:22.38\00:24:24.84
anyone go through a
more thorough search
00:24:24.85\00:24:27.40
for truth and it is
exciting to me, what,
00:24:27.41\00:24:29.71
especially your conclusions are
00:24:29.72\00:24:31.33
exciting to me
because it gives me greater
00:24:31.34\00:24:34.24
evidence that I've
made the right choice.
00:24:34.25\00:24:35.97
But when you
concluded this and you
00:24:36.73\00:24:40.11
presented the
facts to your family,
00:24:40.12\00:24:42.03
then what was their reaction?
00:24:42.39\00:24:44.58
I remember the
first time I made a
00:24:45.02\00:24:47.52
presentation, this was
after I've done most of
00:24:48.35\00:24:50.63
the study I made
the presentation and my
00:24:50.64\00:24:53.37
wife, I wish she was
in the audience, as soon
00:24:53.38\00:24:57.21
as it was over, she
walked up from where
00:24:57.22\00:24:59.94
she was, walked down
the island just hugged
00:24:59.95\00:25:02.58
me right there and
said this is something that
00:25:02.59\00:25:05.94
is so reasonable
and it is so solid.
00:25:05.95\00:25:09.81
And you know sometimes people
00:25:10.83\00:25:12.17
there are people of
"faith" and they have
00:25:12.56\00:25:17.07
faith because
they have been told
00:25:17.48\00:25:19.18
something I am a
seeker like you and not
00:25:19.19\00:25:22.23
that, I don't think
I could claim to have
00:25:22.24\00:25:24.46
gone to the
decree that you've done,
00:25:24.47\00:25:26.29
but I want
evidence and I want to study
00:25:26.94\00:25:29.51
scientific evidence
and I confess even through
00:25:29.52\00:25:32.07
the times of my younger years,
00:25:32.08\00:25:33.56
when as, because
I was so interested
00:25:34.00\00:25:35.97
in sciences that there
were times that I would
00:25:35.98\00:25:38.47
get to the point of
feeling maybe they're
00:25:38.48\00:25:42.45
right and I recall
even just a few years ago,
00:25:42.46\00:25:46.10
I was, I became an
Adventist on June 8th
00:25:46.33\00:25:49.80
of 2002. And I have
been a Christian for
00:25:49.81\00:25:53.50
many years but I was
watching a program on
00:25:53.51\00:25:55.56
National
Geographic and I think it was
00:25:55.57\00:25:57.50
probably one of
the most exciting
00:25:57.51\00:26:00.43
programs I had ever
seen on the idea of the
00:26:00.44\00:26:04.52
Big Bang theory and
it was so incredibly
00:26:04.53\00:26:09.03
"well
documented" with all of these
00:26:09.42\00:26:12.14
scientific
statements and if I can use the
00:26:12.15\00:26:15.48
word bamboozle
that would be the word
00:26:15.49\00:26:17.55
I would use, that I
was almost bamboozled.
00:26:17.56\00:26:19.96
I was almost
persuaded and I sat for a moment
00:26:19.97\00:26:23.40
and I thought what
if they're right and I'm
00:26:23.41\00:26:26.09
wrong and for me
the clincher is knowing
00:26:26.10\00:26:28.99
the truth about
Daniel and the time lines of
00:26:29.00\00:26:31.15
Daniel and how the
very revival of Christ
00:26:31.16\00:26:34.50
was predicted the
year was predicted and
00:26:34.51\00:26:36.94
I thought, you know
when you look into the
00:26:36.95\00:26:39.32
archeology records,
when we look into all
00:26:39.33\00:26:41.86
the different
sciences like you, I've gone
00:26:41.87\00:26:44.52
through some
search then I'm absolutely
00:26:44.53\00:26:47.35
totally convinced
the Bible is correct.
00:26:47.73\00:26:49.64
We have a minute or two more?
00:26:50.36\00:26:51.75
We've got about 40 seconds.
00:26:51.76\00:26:53.73
When you look at the
Big Bang and ask what
00:26:54.66\00:26:57.31
preceded the
Big Bang, there is a
00:26:57.32\00:26:58.94
concept called
singularity, yes, and within the
00:26:58.95\00:27:01.82
singularity they agree
that no laws of physics exist.
00:27:01.83\00:27:06.41
If there are no laws
of physics existing there
00:27:06.99\00:27:09.52
then it means there is
no scientific law, that
00:27:09.53\00:27:11.67
means it is non-scientific.
So their all claims are
00:27:11.68\00:27:15.30
stating that itself is
not a scientific theory.
00:27:15.31\00:27:18.13
Oh! And we find
that on carbon dating,
00:27:18.41\00:27:20.22
we find that on all of
the scientific theories
00:27:20.23\00:27:22.64
that you'll see
that they continually are
00:27:22.65\00:27:24.89
disproving
themselves. So that's one of the
00:27:24.90\00:27:27.82
reasons that I am so
excited you're here and
00:27:27.83\00:27:30.09
I'm excited that
you're coming back again.
00:27:30.10\00:27:32.09
Next time we're
gonna be going into
00:27:33.06\00:27:35.01
some greater
information, showing
00:27:35.49\00:27:37.60
and sharing what
Dr. Pandit has studied
00:27:37.61\00:27:40.55
and I hope that
you will have the
00:27:40.93\00:27:42.46
opportunity to tune
in again and join us for
00:27:42.47\00:27:46.34
this exciting program
and until then may the
00:27:46.35\00:27:48.65
Lord multiply His
mercy, His love and
00:27:48.66\00:27:52.13
His grace to you for always.
00:27:52.14\00:27:54.71
Thank you, for
joining us, and thank you.
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