Hello, I'm
Shelley Quinn and welcome
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to Issues And
Answers. Today we have with
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us again Dr. Subodh
Pandit and Dr. Pandit,
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thank you so much
from coming up all
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the way from Hendersonville,
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North
Hendersonville, North Carolina.
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We went through a
program with, our last
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program with Dr.
Pandit and found that having
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grown up in India in
a diversity of culture
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and religions that
although he grew up
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an Adventist he came
to that point where he
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was asking himself some serious
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questions and
those questions were,
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does God really exist?
Is there proof for this
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and if so is he
the God that I know?
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So, Dr. Pandit last
time we talked about
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you were trying
not to be a skeptic,
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trying not to fit
into the category of
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believer just
accepting what you've been
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taught but that you
really wanted to be an inquirer.
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An inquirer, that's
right. And as an inquirer
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you were looking
for the evidence and
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decided that you found
plenty of circumstantial
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evidence to prove
that there was a God and
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then there was the
logical evidence that
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proved there was
a God but now we are
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going to look at
statistical evidence
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and I'm
interested in seeing what you
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brought today to
tell us what statistical
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evidence proves there is a God.
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Once again we
have to recognize that
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we're asking for
indirect evidence and
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trying to build it up
to a point where we can
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make a
conclusion. When it comes to
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numbers you can
ask how can numbers be
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brought into a picture
like this, but there is
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and it is the
question of chance is also
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called probability.
Yes, it is a day to day
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concept we use it all
the time in our lives,
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I mean you and I are
sitting right here and
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quite comfortable,
peaceful, in fact willing
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to even smile but
if we ask ourselves is
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there not a chance
that this roof would fall
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down on our heads,
we have to say yes.
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There is a chance
and the reason why we're
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calm and peaceful is because
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the chance is so
small. Absolutely.
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It's the same
thing when you get to an
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intersection, just
because the light is
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green does not
mean you will never have
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an accident but
the chances are small.
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Chance is a very
practical concept in
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other words
that we use everyday.
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And we, we know
that there are classes
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taught in upper mathematics,
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the law of
probability and so probability
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really does figure
into a lot of our day to day
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decisions whether
we are aware of that or
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not and this is
something then that
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as a doctor and
with your scientific
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background you
were very interested in
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applying the type of
test to whether or not
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God existed that
you might apply to any
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problem that
you're trying to prove.
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So what about this
law of probability,
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what did you find?
Yes, in the laws there
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are numbers that we
deal with it is not just
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a subjective
concept, it's a mathematical
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concept, you can
bring it down to do a
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calculation of the
odds. So, with that let us
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look at our day to day lives.
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Our day to day
lives we think of chance
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may be one in ten
million or one in a
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hundred million to be
most likely not a fact
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if there is only one
chance in ten million.
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When it comes to
scientific principles
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that they apply say
in building a roller
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coaster or an aeroplane or the
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rockets that go
up then they are,
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they want a number
that's higher and it
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comes to about say
tenth to the power of
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15 that is one
quadrillion. Now in other words,
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there is only one chance in one
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quadrillion that
it would occur they
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say it will not
occur. And that's ten to the
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power of 15 is
what we find, okay.
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When they want to
make a scientific law
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the number really
gets high and they suggest
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it to be ten to the
power of 50. 50. 50.
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So, if there is
only one chance of
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occurrence and 10
to the power of 50
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chances that will
not occur, we say it
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is impossible.
And what would 10 to
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the power of 50
be? Is that a number we
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can even calculate, it's really
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an astronomical
number. Huge. Let me give
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you an idea of
what that number is.
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But lets put it up on
the screen the number itself.
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Okay, one is to ten to
power of 50 is impossible
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where as ten to the power of 50
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occurrences and
only one non-occurrences
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we say that the
law is established.
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Now, let me give you an example,
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suppose I take
this pen and I'm testing
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the law of
gravity, right, once per
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second, hoping
that at one time maybe
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sometime this pen
would not come down
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this way but it
will just float away.
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Now, I'm looking for
that time so I'm doing
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it once per second.
I'd like to put on the
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screen how long it
might take for us to
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do this test, to give
us an idea how big these
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numbers are, okay,
and here is the screen
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that shows us if you
want to test just ten to
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the power of 18
times, it will take us 15
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billion years to
drop this pen once per
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second it will take 15
billion years just to do
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it ten to the power
of 18 and if you look at
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the last number there
ten to the power of 20
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it would take us 1.5
trillion years doing it
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once per second, that's amazing.
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Now, why did I choose ten to the
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power of 18, 15
billion years because
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that is the
competent age of the universe
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according to the
scientific calculations.
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My goodness, so
that is so improbable.
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So ten to the power
of 20 is 100 times the
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age of the entire
universe not just the
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world, this world
is according to their
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computation just about
4.5 to 5 billion years.
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The age of the
entire universe is just
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15 billion years. So
ten to the power of 50
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while being an
arbitrary number is so
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huge that it
cannot be questioned.
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So ten to the
power of five though is
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something that we couldn't even
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calculate, no it is too big.
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Now with that in
mind let us look at
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what the chances
are of this proposition
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that things
happen by themselves.
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Okay, when you
say things happen by
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themselves you're
talking about life
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having matter and
then having a life
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intellect being
given to this matter.
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Actually it is very
specific at this point,
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it is the question
really of an organism
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being made up
of different parts,
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okay, all these parts
coming together at the
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same time to the
same spot and then being
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imbued with life,
what are the chances.
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The scientists out
there have done calculations.
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For instance
proteins, when we look at the
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smallest cell
that can possibly live
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we require 100
proteins that's the
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minimum amount.
And so that would be
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for the single
cell, one single cell.
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Now, look the concept is very
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important, how
many again did you say?
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We need 100
proteins, 100 proteins for a
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single cell.
Okay. Lets catch, catch
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the concept, all
these particles are flying
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out at random,
nobody guiding them,
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they must all come
together to the same
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spot which is at
least 25 times smaller then
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the period at the
end of a sentence in a
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book at the same
split second, in 100
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different proteins.
They have calculated it,
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Dr. Michael Denton
is one of the first to
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actually question
whether this would
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be a possibility and
in his calculations he
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came to the chance of
the one is to 10 to the
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power of 2000. So, we just got
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through saying
that one to the power of
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ten to, I mean ten
to the power of 50 was
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absolutely
impossible and this is to the
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power of 2000. Some others have
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done even more
calculations than that,
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for instance
they've looked at the number
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of amino acids
that are the building
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blocks of the
protein. They have looked at
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what is called
nuclear tides which are the
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building blocks
of the chromosomes.
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These are all part of the cell,
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there is another
person who has made
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this calculation
and odds of that many
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amino acids, that
many nuclear tides
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and the number
is this, the minimum
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required is ten
thousand amino acids,
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one hundred
thousand nuclear times.
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So when you bring
it as a calculation the
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chances of that
coming together all
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by itself, is one is to
ten to the power of 33,113.
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So, you know
I've heard the example
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used that its like
trying to say that life
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began spontaneously
without a creator God
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is like saying if
you were to take a bomb
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and set this bomb off
in a junkyard that the
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results of this bomb
in the junkyard would be
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that you would have
a Boeing 757 standing
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there all put
together which is absolutely
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ludicrous to us
but its not nearly as
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ludicrous as what
scientists have seen in
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the law of probabilities
that a single cell was
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created without God.
That's right, in fact
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the example that you
gave the numbers will
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be smaller than
what we are dealing with,
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exactly,
regarding that single cell.
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Somebody whose name is Harold
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Morowitz and we will
put that on the screen
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right now, he
calculated the odds
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of a whole cell
assembling and this
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is what he said he
calculated the odds of
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a cell randomly assembling under
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the most ideal
conditions which it
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was not, but this is
his number, one chance
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in ten to the power
of one hundred billion.
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You know, so if one
to the power of ten to
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the power of 50
is impossibility then
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let me ask you a
question, if scientist,
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microbiologist and
scientists are using
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the tests of
science, even mathematical
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probabilities, how
is that people are still
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holding fast to the
idea of the big bang
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theory or that
the idea of evolution,
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its fascinating to
me. It really is because
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there are those who
have tried to ask that
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same question.
There was an author
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who tried to
describe this in a book called
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Darwin's God,
yes, and he mentioned
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a very
significant statement there.
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He said for a
fruitful debate we must
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understand the
basis and the basis is not
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scientific facts or details.
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The basis is an world
view in which there is
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either no God or there is a God.
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So it is not really
the question of these
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numbers because if
it was then like George
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Wald who way back in 1954 in the
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Scientific
American Journal he said,
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"the question has
been decided actually over
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a 100 years ago
that statistically it is
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impossible but
scientists would still
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chose to
believe the impossible,"
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those were his exact words.
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And those who
chose to believe the
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impossible will be
put them in a category of
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when we're
talking about skeptics and
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believers and
inquiries, they're not really
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inquiring for the
truth, its like they're saying
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we're right, we
don't care I mean science
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is disproving
the theory that some
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scientists are
holding forward and yet they
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hold fast to that,
that's amazing to me.
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It really because
they bring up a lot of
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questions, for
instance one of the questions is
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how do we know these numbers are
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okay, right. Well,
let's look at the numbers,
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lets look at the
smallest one we have
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which was Dr.
Michael Denton's number of
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one is to ten to
the power of 2000.
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Let's say Dr.
Michael Denton I think you
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made a mistake, maybe your
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calculation was not
right. I would like to maybe
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half that number
or maybe one tenth
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or maybe no, one hundredth.
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What would that
number be if we took
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it to be one
hundred billionth of that
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number, do you
what the number would
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finally be if you
divided ten to the
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power of 2000 by
100 billion, the number
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would still be ten
to the power of 1989.
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So we had not touched the number
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even by bringing
it down by a factor of
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100 billion, so
these numbers are too big
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to question. So,
we're looking then at is
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there a God in
your search with your
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medical
background as I keep saying,
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because I know that
I mean just in talking
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with you before
the program you have
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a mind that is like
a steel trap and you
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want to look at all
the evidence that you can
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find, but in your
search to find if God
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exists after
you've looked at the
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circumstantial
evidence and said well there is
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strong circumstantial
evidence, the logical
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evidence there was
strong logic behind
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this but then this mathematical
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evidence was really a
clincher for you then,
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but how did you
decide then what is truth?
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That really is the next logical
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and natural
question. Once you recognize
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this that there is
a conclusion you can
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come to, because
let me describe one more
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point there, sure,
if there are only two
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possibilities and
one of them is right then
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here's how I looked at it to
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make that initial conclusion.
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If option A is possible then
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option B also is possible.
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If option A
become improbable then
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option B becomes
possible. If option A becomes
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impossible then
option B becomes fact
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even if you've never
looked at it, in other
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words I do not have
to meet this God and
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touch him to
know because the other
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option is impossible.
So even like I said if
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we never really met
him in our lifetime,
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him, her, it in our
lifetime, I could not
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move away from the
fact that since the
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other was
impossible statistically
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this had to be
it. There had to be
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intelligent design
exactly. So we face another
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question now,
how can we know and
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that's the concept of
truth, this idea of truth.
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When you look
around the world and
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the communities and
cultures in which we
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live, that's a
whole slew of definitions
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and concepts and
ideas. And most people
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believe the truth is reality.
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That's what I am coming to,
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because when you
look at it well you can
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say but it could
still be wrong, so what are
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the concepts of
truths out there, many.
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What I did was
look at it historically.
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Historically there
are basically three
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concepts, one is
what we would call or what
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I call the
traditional form of truth and in
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the sense of this
study, traditional
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theism that means
traditionally looking
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at the truthful
God. Okay. Then about 200
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or more years ago
came this question of
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modern truth, it
was actually think Pope
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Pius who coined
that word in 1907,
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here is the word modernism.
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Modernism, what is
it? Modernism has this
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idea that you
don't have to look at the
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clergy to tell us what
the truth is from these
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religious books. We don't need
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any supernatural source at all.
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We can come to
truth and so they formed
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what is known as
a scientific method.
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You make a conjecture,
observations, and then
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form a theory and
then design an experiment,
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implement that
experiment, collect the data,
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analyze the data and
from a conclusion and
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only that is truth nothing else,
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everything else is
suspect, that's the
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second form of
truth. The third has come
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really in our
generation barely 40, 45 years,
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it's called post modernism.
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Right. I'm going to
use some other words
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and then we'll describe them.
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They also called relativism,
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subjectivism and
deconstructionism,
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now these are big
words and they really
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mean something
very simple and here is
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what relativism is saying,
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traditional truth we
have to do away with,
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doesn't matter,
it doesn't hold good.
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Even scientific
truth is in question.
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In fact there is
no such thing as truth
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because every statement on
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earth is only relatively true.
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You can have your
statement, I can have
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mine, nobody will
ever be able to say
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which is it and
therefore on this
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earth, in our
existence, nobody can
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ever say this is
truth with a capital T, no.
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Now, what do you
mean with a capital T?
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That means,
good question, we are
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defining some
of these things and
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I have to define
them. Here's what I mean by
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truth with a capital
T, I do recognize mine
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and yours, I am not infinite.
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So we're not
talking about that infinite
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ultimate, ultimate
truth, we're talking
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about the truth
with a capital T for our
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existence, I gave
it a definition and the
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definition was that
which is valid for all
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the people at all
times, in all places,
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in our existence that
is true with a capital T
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which relativism says
does not exist at all.
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And you know when
you think about it,
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post modernism
is I can see why we
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would look back
on the modernism era
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and say the truths
were relative because
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they did not or not
relative but that they
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looked back and said
these truths that they
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were trying to
propose could not be
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because the scientific
theory and the idea of
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taking conjecture
and developing a theory
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as Darwin did when
there was such law of
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probabilities and
all of this against it,
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I can understand
why they questioned the
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modernism era,
but post modernism era
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has gotten to the
point where people are
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saying, what's true
for you doesn't have to be
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true for me, and
there is no black and white,
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its just whatever
you, makes you feel good,
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almost is what they're saying.
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And it is the
dominant thinking on almost
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every university campus today,
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yes right, and
the dominant thinking
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actually in the world
right now and I had to
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question this, now I
had to decide is this
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traditional theism
or is it modernism or
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post modernism,
so I looked at them.
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When I looked at
traditional theism my
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initial response
was really abhorrence.
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I found a whole lot
of treachery, deceit,
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torture, murder, for
instance the Christian
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crusades, right,
the Muslim Jihads,
00:21:54.92\00:21:57.70
the people inquisition,
I really turned away
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from that and said
I'm not really comfortable
00:22:01.31\00:22:03.65
with this, let me
look at modernism.
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Well, modernism
was good as a process,
00:22:06.04\00:22:09.19
I could appreciate
that being a scientist and a
00:22:09.28\00:22:11.25
doctor myself but
there were some drawbacks.
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Number one of the
drawbacks was there
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were no gadgets
or tests to test out
00:22:17.22\00:22:19.64
religion and
God, nothing direct.
00:22:19.65\00:22:22.22
Number two, their
statement that we do
00:22:22.79\00:22:26.02
not need anything supernatural,
00:22:26.03\00:22:28.29
that clashed with
my earlier question was
00:22:29.51\00:22:32.29
whether there was a God? Okay.
00:22:32.30\00:22:34.06
So, I had to move
away from that and
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then looked at post modernism.
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Interesting
because the first response
00:22:39.88\00:22:42.44
I had in my own
mind was this is good,
00:22:42.45\00:22:44.56
its easy going,
it doesn't clash with
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anybody, then there
won't be any fights or
00:22:46.67\00:22:48.84
quarrels, you can
do your own thing but
00:22:48.85\00:22:51.89
when I scrutinized
it, I found that it would
00:22:51.90\00:22:57.41
not really
stand to be practical.
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Let me give you an
example, I looked at it
00:23:01.72\00:23:03.24
almost a dozen different angles.
00:23:04.08\00:23:06.39
I will mention
may be just three.
00:23:06.95\00:23:09.56
Number one, they say
that everything goes,
00:23:10.69\00:23:17.38
in other words
everything is acceptable.
00:23:18.94\00:23:21.78
The word everything is
very interesting to me,
00:23:22.54\00:23:26.63
because everything
should mean everything
00:23:27.53\00:23:30.42
and certainly
they don't mean that,
00:23:30.43\00:23:32.13
they don't mean
it because I say does
00:23:32.55\00:23:34.38
everything mean
absolutely truth?
00:23:34.39\00:23:36.14
They say no. So
the word everything
00:23:36.15\00:23:38.79
that they talk about does
not really mean everything.
00:23:38.80\00:23:43.04
Number two, the
question of meaning
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of words, so suppose
I say I put this pen on
00:23:47.73\00:23:51.33
the right side of
the table, they say no,
00:23:51.34\00:23:54.24
no it depends on
which side you're
00:23:54.25\00:23:55.74
standing that decides
whether it's right or left.
00:23:55.75\00:23:58.63
So words right,
left, up, down, come,
00:23:59.28\00:24:03.80
go would have no
real fixed meaning.
00:24:03.81\00:24:06.76
So, lets take the
statement that they
00:24:07.39\00:24:09.08
make, there is no
fixed meaning in any word.
00:24:09.09\00:24:14.52
Apply the sentence to itself.
00:24:16.19\00:24:19.53
And you will
realized that very sentence
00:24:21.89\00:24:25.06
requires a fixed
meaning to convey
00:24:25.07\00:24:28.23
what it,
absolutely, wants to convey,
00:24:28.24\00:24:30.53
and so the
sentence itself is a self
00:24:31.00\00:24:33.31
defeating statement,
to say that there is no
00:24:33.32\00:24:36.29
fixed meaning in anything.
00:24:36.30\00:24:37.80
It's almost like
talking in riddles and rhymes
00:24:38.08\00:24:40.88
when you think
about it, absolutely.
00:24:40.89\00:24:43.00
Let's go to the
third one, for this one
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I'm going to imagine
a conversation and it's
00:24:44.91\00:24:49.44
based on this
concept, everything you say is
00:24:49.45\00:24:53.89
relatively true,
only relatively true,
00:24:53.90\00:24:57.16
there is the other
side of the coin if
00:24:58.25\00:25:01.39
everything is only
relatively true then
00:25:01.40\00:25:04.21
everything is
also relatively false.
00:25:04.22\00:25:07.24
You have, you
cannot run away from that.
00:25:08.51\00:25:10.38
So lets take this
concept of everything
00:25:10.93\00:25:13.20
is relatively
true and therefore also
00:25:13.21\00:25:15.12
relatively
false. Lets listen to a
00:25:15.13\00:25:17.39
conservation
between two individuals who
00:25:17.40\00:25:20.32
are trying to
decide, the question is did
00:25:20.33\00:25:23.44
man really go to the
moon way back in 1969.
00:25:23.82\00:25:27.16
Apollo 11, did they get there?
00:25:27.17\00:25:29.59
And here's the
conservation, yes man
00:25:30.07\00:25:32.58
went to the moon,
well the report could
00:25:32.59\00:25:36.10
be true or it
also could be false.
00:25:36.11\00:25:38.78
No, I saw it on TV.
Well the TV could be
00:25:39.33\00:25:43.86
stating the truth
or could be playing a
00:25:44.27\00:25:46.12
studio stunt.
Ah! I saw it in the
00:25:46.13\00:25:50.19
newspaper
headlines. Well, the newspaper
00:25:50.20\00:25:53.40
headlines could be
true or they could be false,
00:25:53.41\00:25:56.27
no my teacher said
so. Well, your teacher
00:25:56.69\00:25:59.77
could be true or your
teacher could be false.
00:25:59.78\00:26:02.37
My dad knows my
teacher and my dad
00:26:03.12\00:26:05.29
said that my
teacher was very reliable.
00:26:05.30\00:26:08.26
Well your dad
could be true or your dad
00:26:08.67\00:26:11.40
could be wrong.
I know my dad, well
00:26:11.41\00:26:13.38
you may know your
daddy, may not know
00:26:13.39\00:26:15.30
your daddy. I know
what I'm talking about.
00:26:15.31\00:26:16.95
You may know what
you're talking about
00:26:17.29\00:26:18.90
or you may not know
what you're talking about.
00:26:18.91\00:26:21.04
By this time the
converse is getting to
00:26:21.05\00:26:22.96
a point where this
person does and says,
00:26:22.97\00:26:24.80
please will you
quit talking this kind of
00:26:24.81\00:26:28.01
nonsensical talk
and the response is,
00:26:28.02\00:26:31.43
okay I will quit but that does
00:26:31.44\00:26:33.86
not mean I will
quit. Yes. So, now we
00:26:33.87\00:26:37.42
smile and then may
be we'll even laugh at
00:26:37.43\00:26:39.47
this but there is an
observation to be made.
00:26:39.48\00:26:42.19
If you look at
what has been happening
00:26:43.19\00:26:45.32
we will find that
every question with
00:26:46.02\00:26:48.87
its response was
taking us one step
00:26:48.88\00:26:52.21
away from the original question
00:26:52.22\00:26:55.58
which was, did
man go to the moon?
00:26:55.59\00:26:58.03
Right, so every
place we came through we
00:26:58.04\00:27:01.18
said we do not know
whether it is true or
00:27:01.19\00:27:04.01
false so let's
go the next factor,
00:27:04.02\00:27:05.75
that was also not.
So, finally we came to
00:27:06.52\00:27:10.16
the point where on
this earth we can only
00:27:10.17\00:27:13.69
have questions, no answers.
00:27:13.70\00:27:16.40
It cannot be
practical, we cannot bring it
00:27:17.48\00:27:21.11
down to a place
where we can live with it.
00:27:21.12\00:27:23.03
So, that's what
the post modernism
00:27:23.34\00:27:25.68
believes but you then
held to the traditional
00:27:25.69\00:27:28.51
values and I'm so
sorry that our time is
00:27:28.52\00:27:31.62
already up for
today because this is a
00:27:31.63\00:27:33.98
fascinating
conservation. Jesus said in John
00:27:33.99\00:27:36.39
chapter 14, I am the
way, the truth, and the
00:27:36.40\00:27:40.12
life, you know
truth is a person and His
00:27:40.13\00:27:42.91
name is the Lord Jesus Christ.
00:27:42.92\00:27:44.59
And I am so thankful
that you've joined us
00:27:45.00\00:27:46.56
today, we're going
to have Dr. Pandit come
00:27:46.57\00:27:48.72
back and share
some more of how he
00:27:48.73\00:27:51.09
searched for the
existence of God and
00:27:51.10\00:27:53.43
he found Him.
Thank you for joining us.
00:27:53.44\00:27:55.93
And thank you Dr. Pandit. Okay.
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