Have you ever wondered how it always ends up 00:00:30.95\00:00:34.16 that big people are doing big things? 00:00:34.19\00:00:37.69 When you have big crowds, 00:00:37.72\00:00:39.22 it seems like you are able to accomplish so many things. 00:00:39.25\00:00:42.57 But today, we're gonna talk about 00:00:42.60\00:00:43.98 how people in small groups 00:00:44.01\00:00:46.37 and in small churches can do great things for Christ. 00:00:46.40\00:00:50.04 And join us today for our guest is Pastor Jason McCracken. 00:00:50.07\00:00:53.96 Welcome to the program. Thank you, thank you. 00:00:53.99\00:00:56.51 It's great to have you back again. 00:00:56.54\00:00:57.97 Thank you. 00:00:58.00\00:00:59.43 Pastor Jason McCracken is a market representative 00:00:59.46\00:01:02.84 with Review and Herald, publishing association. 00:01:02.87\00:01:05.93 He is an ordained minister of the gospel, 00:01:05.96\00:01:08.46 a board member of the Academy of Adventist Professionals 00:01:08.49\00:01:11.28 and a family life educator. 00:01:11.31\00:01:14.03 He is also a professional stage production manager. 00:01:14.06\00:01:16.98 So, he has done big, big, big events. 00:01:17.01\00:01:19.69 But he is here today to talk about how small groups 00:01:19.72\00:01:22.51 and small churches can do great things for Christ. 00:01:22.54\00:01:26.21 Yes, thank you. Where do we begin? 00:01:26.24\00:01:28.33 Well, first of all we have to begin with the Bible, 00:01:28.36\00:01:31.18 and in Matthew chapter 28, 00:01:31.21\00:01:34.22 that great commission is designed for us, 00:01:34.25\00:01:37.31 it says "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, 00:01:37.34\00:01:40.70 All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth. 00:01:40.73\00:01:43.60 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, 00:01:43.63\00:01:46.14 baptizing them in the name of the Father, 00:01:46.17\00:01:48.21 and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. 00:01:48.24\00:01:50.27 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever 00:01:50.30\00:01:53.70 I have commanded you and, lo, I am with you always, 00:01:53.73\00:01:57.06 even unto the end of the world. Amen." 00:01:57.09\00:01:59.40 But now when we move to Mark Chapter 16 00:01:59.43\00:02:03.74 its, its Marks understanding of how the gospel is. 00:02:03.77\00:02:08.39 It's basically the same what is different. 00:02:08.42\00:02:10.10 Look at, look at what Mark says, Mark 16:15. 00:02:10.13\00:02:14.48 "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, 00:02:14.51\00:02:19.13 and preach the gospel to every creature. 00:02:19.16\00:02:24.28 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, 00:02:24.31\00:02:29.31 but he that believeth not shall be damned." 00:02:29.34\00:02:32.93 And it goes on. 00:02:32.96\00:02:34.29 But now the most interesting thing that Jesus wants 00:02:34.32\00:02:38.69 all of us to do even in the small churches is to go. 00:02:38.72\00:02:43.10 Now, "G" means get, "O" means out. 00:02:43.13\00:02:47.66 People in small churches tend to be very comfortable 00:02:47.69\00:02:51.50 in their own environment because they're few in number. 00:02:51.53\00:02:55.58 May be there are 10 or 15 or 20, 00:02:55.61\00:02:58.59 I pastored a church with 30 00:02:58.62\00:03:01.21 but in one year we had over a hundred. 00:03:01.24\00:03:04.32 Why? 00:03:04.35\00:03:05.40 Is because we understood the biblical commission 00:03:05.43\00:03:09.04 and the principle "Get Out." 00:03:09.07\00:03:13.03 And so small churches have to learn 00:03:13.06\00:03:16.14 to get outside of the churches, go into the community 00:03:16.17\00:03:22.51 and demonstrate number one, that you are there. 00:03:22.54\00:03:27.42 Most small churches are afraid to go outside 00:03:27.45\00:03:30.36 because they feel that they do not have 00:03:30.39\00:03:32.44 a big evangelist to help them. 00:03:32.47\00:03:34.72 You do not need a big evangelist to come in 00:03:34.75\00:03:37.52 and help you and your small group. 00:03:37.55\00:03:40.86 All you need is just a group of believers 00:03:40.89\00:03:44.44 who are willing to go out and test the Father, 00:03:44.47\00:03:47.34 love of Christ to another person. 00:03:47.37\00:03:49.61 So, lets take an example, if you have a church 00:03:49.64\00:03:52.31 or a group of 15 people, five are young people, 00:03:52.34\00:03:57.77 ten are adults, working adults 00:03:57.80\00:04:01.09 may be one or two junior youths, senior youths okay. 00:04:01.12\00:04:07.76 Now you have ten they are trained to talk 00:04:07.79\00:04:12.35 about the love of Christ to their friends. 00:04:12.38\00:04:16.45 They're going to interest their friends 00:04:16.48\00:04:18.68 in doing basic Bible studies. 00:04:18.71\00:04:21.45 That means 10 people help 10 other people that makes 20. 00:04:21.48\00:04:28.55 Now, each and every on of us today 00:04:28.58\00:04:31.97 we have friends in our community, 00:04:32.00\00:04:33.85 our neighbor next door, our neighbor across the street, 00:04:33.88\00:04:36.08 our neighbor down the street, even a friend at our job. 00:04:36.11\00:04:38.87 So you have target just one, not some, just one. 00:04:38.90\00:04:45.11 Now if I want be radical as an evangelist say, 00:04:45.14\00:04:47.22 "Okay, ten people target ten people you have a hundred." 00:04:47.25\00:04:51.06 No, it doesn't work that way 00:04:51.09\00:04:52.94 because evangelism is based on relations. 00:04:52.97\00:04:57.80 It's a type of ministry where you have to talk to people, 00:04:57.83\00:05:01.61 you have to learn about them, you've have to even hold them 00:05:01.64\00:05:04.94 and hug them and touch them 00:05:04.97\00:05:07.12 and help them where they need help. 00:05:07.15\00:05:12.42 And so, 10 people can touch 10 people that's 20. 00:05:12.45\00:05:17.66 If its consistently done in a small group or a church 00:05:17.69\00:05:21.63 with in two years you'll probably have 00:05:21.66\00:05:24.21 from 50 to 80 people attending church. 00:05:24.24\00:05:27.98 That's wonderful. That is marvelous. 00:05:28.01\00:05:31.26 So, now what about if the community is small 00:05:31.29\00:05:34.93 where the church is located? 00:05:34.96\00:05:37.68 That's even easier. 00:05:37.71\00:05:40.37 Can you imagine a small church in New York City 00:05:40.40\00:05:44.21 trying to attend to reach 14 million people 00:05:44.24\00:05:47.04 but can you imagine a church that might have 30 people 00:05:47.07\00:05:50.75 in a community of may be 500 every body know somebody. 00:05:50.78\00:05:57.20 So, now when you have a smaller community is even better, 00:05:57.23\00:06:00.44 the effect is even greater 00:06:00.47\00:06:02.34 because out of 30 you can reach 500 in a week. 00:06:02.37\00:06:07.86 A lot of people like to say lets go knock on all the doors 00:06:07.89\00:06:10.51 and let's give them a piece of literature 00:06:10.54\00:06:12.66 and say here take this piece of literature 00:06:12.69\00:06:14.99 the Lord is gonna save you. 00:06:15.02\00:06:17.04 That's not evangelism. 00:06:17.07\00:06:19.20 Evangelism is walking and knowing your neighbors 00:06:19.23\00:06:24.35 and speaking to them like people, not condemning, 00:06:24.38\00:06:29.84 not telling them that they are doing wrong 00:06:29.87\00:06:32.26 just speaking to them. 00:06:32.29\00:06:34.14 I give you an example. 00:06:34.17\00:06:36.75 When I was pastoring in Canada I was given a small church. 00:06:36.78\00:06:41.40 They were gonna close the church down 00:06:41.43\00:06:44.03 and send the members to the church 20 minutes away, 00:06:44.06\00:06:47.99 every body had cars not a problem. 00:06:48.02\00:06:50.84 The church was a house church it sat on a corner, 00:06:50.87\00:06:54.89 it was built with boulders. 00:06:54.92\00:06:57.78 The basement was so low that you had to duck. 00:06:57.81\00:07:01.14 They have one bathroom, 00:07:01.17\00:07:03.45 the sanctuary was only one sanctuary. 00:07:03.48\00:07:06.67 They cut the sanctuary in three quarters to have a hallway 00:07:06.70\00:07:12.22 because the church was dwindling down in size. 00:07:12.25\00:07:15.63 So, they brought me in as a pastor. 00:07:15.66\00:07:18.06 Well, I have noticed that they where children 00:07:18.09\00:07:20.32 and young adults in the church. 00:07:20.35\00:07:22.89 So, I started preaching youthful sermons. 00:07:22.92\00:07:27.29 Every month we had a program plan in the community. 00:07:27.32\00:07:32.67 Within six months a representative 00:07:32.70\00:07:38.09 from the Ontario Conference headquarters 00:07:38.12\00:07:41.83 came to our church and asked the question 00:07:41.86\00:07:45.28 why is it that you have chairs in the isles? 00:07:45.31\00:07:49.69 Are they here because I am here. 00:07:49.72\00:07:52.32 I said not necessarily we will like this way 00:07:52.35\00:07:55.92 after the third month of my ministry. 00:07:55.95\00:07:58.43 What have you done? 00:07:58.46\00:08:00.07 I've trained the members to talk to their neighbors 00:08:00.10\00:08:03.96 in such a way that their neighbors would come 00:08:03.99\00:08:06.53 to church without being offended. 00:08:06.56\00:08:10.01 The young people were bringing their friends afternoon, 00:08:10.04\00:08:13.54 in the afternoon because we had a program 00:08:13.57\00:08:15.25 designed for youth in the afternoon. 00:08:15.28\00:08:17.72 In six months we needed to look for a new church. 00:08:17.75\00:08:21.55 Today that church has left that house church 00:08:21.58\00:08:25.47 and now they are renting a church 00:08:25.50\00:08:27.74 and they have more than 150 people 00:08:27.77\00:08:30.22 in their conversation with a full time pastor. 00:08:30.25\00:08:34.60 Relationalship evangelism is very simple 00:08:34.63\00:08:39.36 all you need is mouth 00:08:39.39\00:08:42.35 and you need a Biblical foundation 00:08:42.38\00:08:44.59 to go to your friends and talk about the love of Christ. 00:08:44.62\00:08:50.26 That's the simple technique. Let's use another example. 00:08:50.29\00:08:55.99 In a small church you have people 00:08:56.02\00:09:00.33 who have developed a small mentality. 00:09:00.36\00:09:03.90 Now yes that's-- 00:09:03.93\00:09:05.77 They are saying, 00:09:05.80\00:09:06.87 how can we reach everyone in our community? 00:09:06.90\00:09:08.53 Yeah, the giants in the land. 00:09:08.56\00:09:10.48 Giants in the land, giants-- 00:09:10.51\00:09:12.20 what could we do we're in this community? 00:09:12.23\00:09:15.34 Now lets move, lets move, lets go back to that church again. 00:09:15.37\00:09:18.30 Now that church was there on that corner for 75 years 00:09:18.33\00:09:22.70 and because it was on that corner for 75 years 00:09:22.73\00:09:25.90 I asked them what is your mission, 00:09:25.93\00:09:29.32 you've been here for 75 years on this corner 00:09:29.35\00:09:32.51 you're probably gonna make a hundred years 00:09:32.54\00:09:34.69 what have you done in this community? 00:09:34.72\00:09:38.05 Well, one of my elders-- 00:09:38.08\00:09:39.11 What have you done lately for Christ? 00:09:39.14\00:09:40.77 Yeah I mean, one of my elders came to me 00:09:40.80\00:09:43.36 and say well we've been witnessing. 00:09:43.39\00:09:46.13 What-- how did you witness in the community? 00:09:46.16\00:09:48.56 Well, we knocked on doors. 00:09:48.59\00:09:50.66 Well, after you knocked on the doors then what? 00:09:50.69\00:09:54.62 Well, we expect that the people to come to the little church. 00:09:54.65\00:09:57.67 That's not how you actually have evangelism. 00:09:57.70\00:10:01.35 Evangelism is not knocking on doors. 00:10:01.38\00:10:03.56 Evangelism is about sitting inside someone's home 00:10:03.59\00:10:07.66 and talking and relating good things about Christ. 00:10:07.69\00:10:11.97 Most people that witness would say bad things. 00:10:12.00\00:10:14.64 The world is going to ruins, things are terrible, 00:10:14.67\00:10:18.07 people are killing people. 00:10:18.10\00:10:20.16 Why can't I say something like did you not know 00:10:20.19\00:10:24.28 that Christ died for you in order to save you? 00:10:24.31\00:10:30.39 Yes, yes much more interesting. Oh, of course. 00:10:30.42\00:10:33.39 But you know it seems like there is a gap 00:10:33.42\00:10:34.74 between people having good intensions 00:10:34.77\00:10:37.06 and really excited about the Lord 00:10:37.09\00:10:39.21 and wanted to share their faith 00:10:39.24\00:10:40.83 and then really having knowledge of a focus. 00:10:40.86\00:10:45.22 I mean something happen, I mean I think there are lot of people 00:10:45.25\00:10:48.09 who are listen to this program really love the Lord 00:10:48.12\00:10:50.75 and who really would really like to see 00:10:50.78\00:10:53.43 their churches grow, their group, 00:10:53.46\00:10:55.06 a Bible studies to grow. 00:10:55.09\00:10:56.79 But, obviously something happens specially 00:10:56.82\00:10:58.85 do you train the folk there? 00:10:58.88\00:11:00.73 Okay, what happen I trained my local members. 00:11:00.76\00:11:06.88 Wednesday night was a time 00:11:06.91\00:11:09.10 that we would come and have prayer meeting. 00:11:09.13\00:11:12.26 I changed it from an evangelistic training school. 00:11:12.29\00:11:18.53 So, every Wednesday night with a few people in our church 00:11:18.56\00:11:23.30 we would talk about evangelism. 00:11:23.33\00:11:26.56 What does the bible say about it? 00:11:26.59\00:11:28.54 What can we do about it? 00:11:28.57\00:11:30.08 And then we instituted type of community programs 00:11:30.11\00:11:34.46 that people will be aware 00:11:34.49\00:11:36.64 of what is taking place in our homes. 00:11:36.67\00:11:40.05 So, we would take our children to the park 00:11:40.08\00:11:42.24 and invite others to the park. 00:11:42.27\00:11:44.71 We would go on a street corner and we would handout literature 00:11:44.74\00:11:50.43 dealing with drug abuse and alcohol abuse. 00:11:50.46\00:11:53.30 We would go to a community service 00:11:53.33\00:11:56.09 that is does not even belong to us, 00:11:56.12\00:11:58.85 to the salvation army and say what can we do to help? 00:11:58.88\00:12:02.43 So, we were lending our hands in the community. 00:12:02.46\00:12:05.55 So, people in the community got to know was we got to know them 00:12:05.58\00:12:08.98 and then is a where is your church? 00:12:09.01\00:12:11.35 Well that church is around the corner, 00:12:11.38\00:12:12.63 it's been there for 75 years. 00:12:12.66\00:12:15.21 And so, we would call people on the telephone, 00:12:15.24\00:12:18.46 we would tell the senior citizens can't do a lot, 00:12:18.49\00:12:22.09 but they can call, they can talk, 00:12:22.12\00:12:24.50 they can even send religious journals 00:12:24.53\00:12:26.98 if they want to in the community. 00:12:27.01\00:12:29.20 You have to make sure that people in your community 00:12:29.23\00:12:32.45 know that you exist and that you are present 00:12:32.48\00:12:35.48 in the community, that's number one. 00:12:35.51\00:12:37.34 Number two, is now what do you do about it? 00:12:37.37\00:12:40.74 How do you get people to understand 00:12:40.77\00:12:43.28 about your way of thinking, about what does the Bible says? 00:12:43.31\00:12:48.18 That means you have to create an interest. 00:12:48.21\00:12:51.17 You might want to start a Bible school. 00:12:51.20\00:12:54.06 Now, a Bible school can be started in two ways. 00:12:54.09\00:12:56.86 Number one, you can have a Bible school 00:12:56.89\00:12:59.42 in your church every Sunday night for the community 00:12:59.45\00:13:02.97 or you can have a Bible correspondence school. 00:13:03.00\00:13:06.51 So, you can send out 25-50,000 pieces of cards 00:13:06.54\00:13:11.02 that people can send into discover a Bible school 00:13:11.05\00:13:15.40 and from the Bible school they will study the Bible 00:13:15.43\00:13:18.54 and then these cards will comeback to you in your church 00:13:18.57\00:13:21.56 then you would go out and seek them, 00:13:21.59\00:13:23.53 and that's how evangelism works. 00:13:23.56\00:13:25.74 It is giving, it is taking. 00:13:25.77\00:13:27.56 It is sowing the seeds and the seeds 00:13:27.59\00:13:30.08 now are being nurtured to the Word of God 00:13:30.11\00:13:32.48 and the Holy Spirit will impress that person 00:13:32.51\00:13:35.94 to seek out and find you. 00:13:35.97\00:13:38.80 You know, makes me think when you said 00:13:38.83\00:13:41.00 that there are Bible correspondence school 00:13:41.03\00:13:43.44 or actually opening the community on Sunday 00:13:43.47\00:13:45.51 or whatever day you know 00:13:45.54\00:13:47.25 that's gonna be a drawl of the community. 00:13:47.28\00:13:48.89 You know the internet is getting real popular. 00:13:48.92\00:13:50.55 Oh, definitely. 00:13:50.58\00:13:51.62 People have been asking my husband and I 00:13:51.65\00:13:52.99 for materials for to go into the internet 00:13:53.02\00:13:56.29 but that's something that a local church 00:13:56.32\00:13:59.04 could get involved in this as far as Bible studies go. 00:13:59.07\00:14:02.38 A lot of churches across America are investing, 00:14:02.41\00:14:06.59 not a lot of money but just a few dollars 00:14:06.62\00:14:09.44 in building their own website. 00:14:09.47\00:14:12.16 They can have sermons on their websites, 00:14:12.19\00:14:14.54 they can have audio feed on their websites, 00:14:14.57\00:14:16.75 they can have Bible studies on their websites, 00:14:16.78\00:14:18.97 they can have announce the type of programs 00:14:19.00\00:14:21.46 that the church offers on that website. 00:14:21.49\00:14:24.10 I even went to Vancouver, Canada 00:14:24.13\00:14:27.45 and a small Church was forming 00:14:27.48\00:14:29.73 and I said do you want a witness to lot of people? 00:14:29.76\00:14:32.01 They say, yes. 00:14:32.04\00:14:33.07 Why don't you develop some business cards 00:14:33.10\00:14:36.48 give them to every member? 00:14:36.51\00:14:38.41 Now, this Church only had about 30 people 00:14:38.44\00:14:40.41 so they wanted to reach 50,000 of specific group 00:14:40.44\00:14:43.29 within their community. 00:14:43.32\00:14:44.41 They were targeting a specific group in that community. 00:14:44.44\00:14:47.07 And so to develop the cards with a nice logo, 00:14:47.10\00:14:50.35 put the times of the church your programs put your website 00:14:50.38\00:14:54.19 and tell them to log on and get a free gift. 00:14:54.22\00:14:57.01 And he said, well, how long is this going to take? 00:14:57.04\00:14:59.32 I said, wait a minute you said 50,000, 00:14:59.35\00:15:01.50 you got 30 people each one get a box of 500 cards 00:15:01.53\00:15:05.59 you got a year to delivery how many you have there? 00:15:05.62\00:15:08.61 That's great. I mean, I think that goes to-- 00:15:08.64\00:15:12.77 You know, I think the Lord has given you some special gift 00:15:12.80\00:15:15.16 you know, those who work in this program you may went, 00:15:15.19\00:15:17.52 why do we have a marketing representative 00:15:17.55\00:15:19.35 come here from Review and Herald? 00:15:19.38\00:15:21.03 Do you know, that there is a science to soul winning. 00:15:21.06\00:15:23.78 I know you gonna talk to us about that in another program. 00:15:23.81\00:15:26.61 But I mean it takes time and thought to develop products 00:15:26.64\00:15:32.06 that we buy, that we wear and that we drive 00:15:32.09\00:15:34.95 and certainly it takes time and thought 00:15:34.98\00:15:36.83 to do the Lord's work in an excellent way 00:15:36.86\00:15:40.11 because there are people who want to hear this message 00:15:40.14\00:15:42.10 and who are looking for somebody 00:15:42.13\00:15:43.52 come please tell me about it. 00:15:43.55\00:15:44.72 Sure. 00:15:44.75\00:15:46.69 Well, there was another program we develop in Canada. 00:15:46.72\00:15:51.16 It's called the institute, 00:15:51.19\00:15:53.44 Maranatha Institute of Evangelism. 00:15:53.47\00:15:57.55 Okay, Maranatha means our Lord commieth. 00:15:57.58\00:16:00.18 So Maranatha Institute of Evangelism. 00:16:00.21\00:16:03.42 Now was this a conference developing? 00:16:03.45\00:16:05.34 It was a conference program. 00:16:05.37\00:16:06.54 Or was it started at the local church? 00:16:06.57\00:16:08.00 Well, what it-- what happened is 00:16:08.03\00:16:09.88 they had a small group of lay people 00:16:09.91\00:16:12.83 that would go around to the different churches 00:16:12.86\00:16:15.78 and teach principles of evangelism. 00:16:15.81\00:16:18.23 So they asked me to be their-- 00:16:18.26\00:16:21.21 state director their conference director. 00:16:21.24\00:16:23.43 So I said okay. 00:16:23.46\00:16:25.04 So I left the little church and went to a home office 00:16:25.07\00:16:28.67 and I said now, if you running to different churches 00:16:28.70\00:16:33.64 why don't you ask them to come to you? 00:16:33.67\00:16:36.87 They say well, we can do that 00:16:36.90\00:16:38.14 and we tried that but it didn't work. 00:16:38.17\00:16:40.34 I said, oh yes, it's easy. How long you been in existence? 00:16:40.37\00:16:43.95 About 10 years. 00:16:43.98\00:16:45.20 How many then coming every year? 00:16:45.23\00:16:46.91 Well, about a 100, 120, 130. 00:16:46.94\00:16:50.55 I said where are you going where we are going 00:16:50.58\00:16:52.31 to this camp two and half hours away. 00:16:52.34\00:16:54.83 I said, well, why don't you bring it to the city? 00:16:54.86\00:16:56.99 We have no facility. 00:16:57.02\00:16:58.45 Oh, yes there are praying facilities in the city. 00:16:58.48\00:17:00.83 Where all the Church's and we don't have any space. 00:17:00.86\00:17:04.15 Yes, you do. Where? 00:17:04.18\00:17:06.51 We gonna take it to convention center or hotel. 00:17:06.54\00:17:10.84 We had marketed this program 00:17:10.87\00:17:13.22 to a lot of Church's in the entire state. 00:17:13.25\00:17:16.73 And we had for the first time in the history of Canada 00:17:16.76\00:17:23.13 a largest evangelism convention with 710 paid delegates 00:17:23.16\00:17:30.02 in seven different languages. 00:17:30.05\00:17:33.63 And so we trained people in different languages 00:17:33.66\00:17:36.69 to reach language groups. 00:17:36.72\00:17:39.86 And we had a full curriculum 00:17:39.89\00:17:42.65 from Friday all the way through Sunday with a credential 00:17:42.68\00:17:47.65 that you now become a lay Bible minister. 00:17:47.68\00:17:52.91 And now your job within 12 months is the come back 00:17:52.94\00:17:57.21 and evaluate what you've done in a year 00:17:57.24\00:17:59.92 and win at least one soul. 00:17:59.95\00:18:02.31 We had another convention 12 month's later 00:18:02.34\00:18:04.38 with over a thousand delegates and do you not know, 00:18:04.41\00:18:08.59 that when they filled out the report's 00:18:08.62\00:18:11.29 we had over 1,000 baptized new member's. 00:18:11.32\00:18:16.54 Praise the Lord. 00:18:16.57\00:18:18.05 Training people for ministry is essential. 00:18:18.08\00:18:22.20 It starts at the local church and then it spreads. 00:18:22.23\00:18:27.62 Wow, now what happens 00:18:27.65\00:18:30.14 if the church doesn't have a pastor? 00:18:30.17\00:18:32.47 I mean, you had advantage, your church the one 00:18:32.50\00:18:34.63 that was in the corner for 75 years they were just-- 00:18:34.66\00:18:38.28 it sounds like they had a dynamic pastor with you. 00:18:38.31\00:18:40.63 What if they don't have a-- may be they are 00:18:40.66\00:18:43.91 in a multiple church district kind of situation? 00:18:43.94\00:18:46.23 In fact-- Yeah, multiple church district. 00:18:46.26\00:18:48.71 I had a multiple church district. 00:18:48.74\00:18:50.38 In fact, I had two churches. Okay. 00:18:50.41\00:18:53.01 And so the lay people of that local church must take charge. 00:18:53.04\00:18:58.10 A lay person has the same capability as a minister 00:18:58.13\00:19:02.92 the difference is one who is trained exclusively 00:19:02.95\00:19:05.40 from minister-- to be a minister 00:19:05.43\00:19:08.25 the other is the one who understands ministry. 00:19:08.28\00:19:12.27 And so the lay Pastor now can do the same exactly thing 00:19:12.30\00:19:15.84 by training the local people in their church 00:19:15.87\00:19:19.68 how to aggressively go out 00:19:19.71\00:19:21.89 door to door from shore to shore 00:19:21.92\00:19:24.38 to reach people and find them the seek, 00:19:24.41\00:19:27.90 the lost sheep and train them to baptize. 00:19:27.93\00:19:33.12 It's very easy. 00:19:33.15\00:19:34.74 Willing people will do the work of the Lord. 00:19:34.77\00:19:38.30 People who are unable can do something else. 00:19:38.33\00:19:41.51 Individuals who are senior citizens 00:19:41.54\00:19:43.33 can correct Bible lessons, 00:19:43.36\00:19:45.82 young people can do the foot work. 00:19:45.85\00:19:47.57 They can develop websites too. 00:19:47.60\00:19:49.54 Yes, there are many talented-- Sure, they can do. 00:19:49.57\00:19:52.50 Skilled young people who can develop a website 00:19:52.53\00:19:55.57 and take charge of it. 00:19:55.60\00:19:56.64 For example, when I pastored in Montreal 00:19:56.67\00:19:58.43 I had large church and a group of young people 00:19:58.46\00:20:01.50 came to me and said pastor, 00:20:01.53\00:20:03.39 the sin news they just want to takeover the church 00:20:03.42\00:20:06.29 and they don't want us to do anything. 00:20:06.32\00:20:08.16 I said develop your talents, pray to God 00:20:08.19\00:20:10.57 and allow Him to lead you. 00:20:10.60\00:20:12.15 Today, they have developed a website 00:20:12.18\00:20:14.77 it is the leading gospel website in the world. 00:20:14.80\00:20:18.22 Out of the 20 million website's 00:20:18.25\00:20:20.89 five young people with their skills 00:20:20.92\00:20:23.25 and their educational training 00:20:23.28\00:20:25.12 developed a website called gospelcity.com 00:20:25.15\00:20:29.57 and that website is reaching million's of people 00:20:29.60\00:20:33.12 who are un-churched. 00:20:33.15\00:20:36.60 Praise the Lord. Five young people. 00:20:36.63\00:20:39.03 Now, that church is big cathedral in Montreal 00:20:39.06\00:20:41.61 it's been therefore 25-30 years. 00:20:41.64\00:20:44.27 In fact the first pastor was H. M. S. Richards 00:20:44.30\00:20:48.66 the founder of the Voice of Prophecy. 00:20:48.69\00:20:52.42 The first pastor but now after all of these years 00:20:52.45\00:20:56.35 did you reach a million people? 00:20:56.38\00:20:58.63 Five young people develop the website 00:20:58.66\00:21:01.69 that are reaching millions of young people per month. 00:21:01.72\00:21:09.67 That's Evangelism. 00:21:09.70\00:21:11.22 You know, that's a son little becomes mature 00:21:11.25\00:21:14.14 when we place in the Masters hand. 00:21:14.17\00:21:15.73 That's Right, that's why a small church 00:21:15.76\00:21:20.79 can develop evangelism if they think outside of that box, 00:21:20.82\00:21:27.29 that little box there must come out of that box 00:21:27.32\00:21:30.47 and follow what the Lord said, "Go Get Out." 00:21:30.50\00:21:36.47 Once you are out of that box 00:21:36.50\00:21:38.23 you began to think like people in your community. 00:21:38.26\00:21:42.25 Now, okay let's say somebody is watching the program 00:21:42.28\00:21:45.90 and they say I've heard the whole presentation 00:21:45.93\00:21:48.07 or what I think is most of it 00:21:48.10\00:21:50.29 and it sounds really convincing, 00:21:50.32\00:21:52.27 it sounds like something I want to do but you know, 00:21:52.30\00:21:55.64 I know the people in my church and I know people in my group 00:21:55.67\00:21:58.06 they just its half of them makes changes. 00:21:58.09\00:22:01.02 What might be some first steps some preparation may be 00:22:01.05\00:22:05.45 that needs to be done before a group can launch off 00:22:05.48\00:22:09.85 and do this wonderful work? 00:22:09.88\00:22:11.03 I mean five people reaching millions 00:22:11.06\00:22:13.52 and all of the testimonies 00:22:13.55\00:22:15.18 that you gave have just been outstanding 00:22:15.21\00:22:17.66 but spiritually are there some steps that they need to do-- 00:22:17.69\00:22:21.61 First of all there must be committed 00:22:21.64\00:22:23.14 to evangelism, step number one. 00:22:23.17\00:22:24.86 Step number two, now they must be committed 00:22:24.89\00:22:26.85 to be trained to do evangelism. 00:22:26.88\00:22:28.99 And what I'm asking 100% of the church members to do this. 00:22:29.02\00:22:32.09 Well, I'm asking for people 00:22:32.12\00:22:33.72 who are willing to be involved in Evangelism. 00:22:33.75\00:22:36.16 So if you have a church of 30 may be six might get involved. 00:22:36.19\00:22:39.04 But six can turn into 12 and 12 turn into 30 00:22:39.07\00:22:42.39 and 30 can turn into 40. 00:22:42.42\00:22:43.82 So you're not looking at 100% participation 00:22:43.85\00:22:46.26 like a lot of people are thinking. 00:22:46.29\00:22:48.16 It's very difficult to do that in a local church 00:22:48.19\00:22:50.77 but at least you have somebody who want's to begin. 00:22:50.80\00:22:54.87 Stand up and say we need to begin 00:22:54.90\00:22:57.72 the process of thinking outside of our box. 00:22:57.75\00:23:01.55 Marketing our church to the community 00:23:01.58\00:23:06.02 so that the community knows what we are about 00:23:06.05\00:23:09.43 and then we can go and share. 00:23:09.46\00:23:13.43 If you can get five people to do that 00:23:13.46\00:23:15.23 or two people that's sharing the gospel. 00:23:15.26\00:23:18.64 So you don't need a big number 00:23:18.67\00:23:19.87 you could within your small group. 00:23:19.90\00:23:22.35 All you need is two committed people put it that way. 00:23:22.38\00:23:26.30 Just two. 00:23:26.33\00:23:27.83 Two will make four, four will make six, 00:23:27.86\00:23:30.29 six will make eight. 00:23:30.32\00:23:31.92 I even have a little format I want to share with you. 00:23:31.95\00:23:33.89 Can I do that? Please do that. 00:23:33.92\00:23:35.23 First I have to make sure I have it 00:23:35.26\00:23:37.28 but it's a very nice little form that I-- 00:23:37.31\00:23:42.66 that I've been sharing to number of young people 00:23:42.69\00:23:45.51 and it deals with you can wrap the Church, here it is, 00:23:45.54\00:23:50.42 you can wrap the church or you can built the church. 00:23:50.45\00:23:56.44 Ten little church members came to worship all on time. 00:23:56.47\00:24:00.08 One fell out with the pastor and then there were nine. 00:24:00.11\00:24:03.67 Nine little members stayed up late 00:24:03.70\00:24:05.91 one over sleep and then were eight. 00:24:05.94\00:24:08.96 Eight church members on their way to heaven 00:24:08.99\00:24:11.45 one took the low road and now they are seven. 00:24:11.48\00:24:15.36 Seven church members are trooping like jerks. 00:24:15.39\00:24:18.55 One didn't like the gospel music, now there are six. 00:24:18.58\00:24:21.93 Six church members seem very much alive 00:24:21.96\00:24:24.25 but one got trapped where light is and this left five. 00:24:24.28\00:24:28.15 Five church members pulling for heaven 00:24:28.18\00:24:30.30 sure one got tired got descrambled 00:24:30.33\00:24:34.09 so I'm the church board and this left four. 00:24:34.12\00:24:38.87 Four church members busy as can be 00:24:38.90\00:24:41.31 but one got his feeling hurt and now there are three. 00:24:41.34\00:24:45.44 Three church members and the story is almost done 00:24:45.47\00:24:48.65 for two of them got weary and this left one. 00:24:48.68\00:24:53.45 Now, everybody knows that one can't do much 00:24:53.48\00:24:56.09 but one brought a friend last month 00:24:56.12\00:24:58.37 and then there were two. 00:24:58.40\00:25:00.17 Two Church members each one, 00:25:00.20\00:25:02.56 one more now don't you see Karen, 00:25:02.59\00:25:05.39 two plus two equals four. 00:25:05.42\00:25:07.26 Four church members were early and late 00:25:07.29\00:25:09.86 each brought one and now there are eight. 00:25:09.89\00:25:15.91 Have you got the message, point it and true 00:25:18.43\00:25:22.78 come on Church members we got a job to do. 00:25:22.81\00:25:26.04 So if you see if eight church members double as before 00:25:26.07\00:25:29.95 just in seven weeks there will be 1,024. 00:25:29.98\00:25:36.31 Well, Lord helps us to do we can do. 00:25:36.34\00:25:38.50 I mean, be willing to just open up our hearts, 00:25:38.53\00:25:41.26 open up our minds, and just get out as you said. 00:25:41.29\00:25:46.08 Get out. Go do that commission. 00:25:46.11\00:25:47.89 You know that lot of times people may want to know 00:25:47.92\00:25:51.94 well, okay, where can I get my materials 00:25:51.97\00:25:53.46 and that kind of the thing. 00:25:53.49\00:25:54.55 I like to pick the website out there, 00:25:54.58\00:25:56.27 that you have first of all there is Review and Herald. 00:25:56.30\00:25:59.64 Yes. That ReviewandHerald.com is that is? 00:25:59.67\00:26:02.89 .org. .org. 00:26:02.92\00:26:04.51 Okay, and then there is 00:26:04.54\00:26:07.22 we mention Insight Magazine to young people. 00:26:07.25\00:26:09.65 Yes. That's www.insightmagazine.org. 00:26:09.68\00:26:14.56 That's right. 00:26:14.59\00:26:15.62 And for those that are targeting groups of people 00:26:15.65\00:26:18.44 who just want to have that message out. 00:26:18.47\00:26:19.95 Yes. www.messagemagazine.org. 00:26:19.98\00:26:24.25 And if you like to order your materials 00:26:24.28\00:26:25.83 for your church specifically from the Review and Herald. 00:26:25.86\00:26:28.32 That is ReviewandHerald-- It's really rhpa.org. 00:26:28.35\00:26:34.15 Okay, and then if you will offer me, 00:26:34.18\00:26:36.68 this is research program today, folks. 00:26:36.71\00:26:39.03 If 3ABN has a wealth of materials as well. 00:26:39.06\00:26:42.26 Sure, definitely. 00:26:42.29\00:26:43.96 They have one for covering books for children, 00:26:43.99\00:26:46.24 they have videos-- 00:26:46.27\00:26:48.52 Just check in and ask for a video catalogue as well. 00:26:48.55\00:26:51.03 So dial the 800 number that you see on your screen 00:26:51.06\00:26:53.63 or in your computer 00:26:53.66\00:26:55.05 and their website is www.3abn.org. 00:26:55.08\00:27:00.25 But the bottom line is wherever you go to get your materials 00:27:00.28\00:27:03.56 or if you don't even have the money to get materials 00:27:03.59\00:27:05.98 or may you're looking at this from another country 00:27:06.01\00:27:08.65 where its just not available to you 00:27:08.68\00:27:10.99 I think that Pastor McCracken here mentioned 00:27:11.02\00:27:13.38 the whole lot of things that we can do that cost no money. 00:27:13.41\00:27:16.98 Right. It's a matter of personal commitment. 00:27:17.01\00:27:18.71 That's right, personal commitment. 00:27:18.74\00:27:20.48 And when we make a decision for Christ 00:27:20.51\00:27:22.97 it's more than just for ourselves and for our family. 00:27:23.00\00:27:26.33 It is actually coming out of ourselves 00:27:26.36\00:27:28.58 and going into the community to share 00:27:28.61\00:27:33.02 a testimony of what God has done in our lives and for us. 00:27:33.05\00:27:36.85 So that's really what our program was about today 00:27:36.88\00:27:39.72 and if you have any questions feel free to contact us 00:27:39.75\00:27:43.75 and onto the next program we're gonna be praying for you 00:27:43.78\00:27:46.92 that you get out, that you go and make disciples 00:27:46.95\00:27:50.57 as the Lord Jesus Christ has given that commission. 00:27:50.60\00:27:53.32 And until next time may God richly bless you, 00:27:53.35\00:27:56.17 we pray for you. 00:27:56.20\00:27:57.79 Have a great day. 00:27:57.82\00:27:59.19