Hello, I'm Agatha Thrash
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a staff Physician at
Uchee Pines Institute.
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I think one of the most
entertaining and perhaps
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exciting adventures that I
have engaged in my life has
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been that of
looking into vegetarianism.
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I remember when I was a
little girl and though about
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being a vegetarian, I
thought well that's very strange
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I never thought I would be one.
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We're going to discuss
some aspects of being vegetarian
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in the next half an hour and
we hope that you will join us.
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Welcome to
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with Dr. Agatha Thrash
of Uchee Pines Institute,
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and now here is
your host, Dr. Thrash.
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When we began to eat
vegetarian cuisine in my home,
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I remember the first thing
that we did was simply to start
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cutting down on
the intake of meat.
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Then it wasn't very
long before we decided that
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we could eat some meals
that were completely meatless,
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and so that's what we did.
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We just had a meal that
was just a lot of vegetables
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which was very nice anyway,
we had grown up that way,
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my husband and I had
both grown up on farms
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and on the farm when
the vegetable garden starts
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coming in, I remember my mother
would sometimes just have a
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table filled with all sorts
of vegetables that came from
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our garden.
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We didn't mind at all
that there was no meat
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because there was so
many delightful vegetables,
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but in my home once we had
started cutting down on meat
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then we had a few
thing that we had to face.
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Number one was what
do we do when we eat out?
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Well we always ate meat when
we ate out, because generally
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speaking, you expect that
you are going to be served
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meat when you eat out.
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So then one day somebody
said to us, why don't you try
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the nice vegetarian
cuisine that they have here in
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this restaurant?
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So we tried that and it
was delightful, so after that
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we began to look for restaurants
that had vegetarian lines
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along their serving area.
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Then as time went by I
began to recognize that
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I didn't feel as
good when I ate meat.
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So I said to my husband one
day, I just don't feel good,
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we were in the Miami
airport and we had just eaten a
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Filet Minon, which was
really quite good, but I said
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I don't think I
will ever eat meat again.
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He said you know I've
noticed that I don't feel good
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when I eat meat, and
I said yes I've decided
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I am not going to
eaten meat any more,
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from that day on, I
don't think I've had any meat.
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It wasn't long before the
entire household was using
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a meat free diet.
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Now I found that children
were a little hard to convince
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at one time or other because
they'd think I would like
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to have a hotdog or hamburger,
so we began to look for
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substitutes for these
and at first we began to lean
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rather heavily on the meat
substitutes, but as time went by
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even those we stopped using.
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Now we just talk it up
and we recognize a lot of the
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benefits, the heart benefits,
the gastrointestinal benefits,
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the benefits for the
blood pressure, the protection
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against diabetes, and
against poor vision, and
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those kinds of things, so
as time has gone by we have
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become more and more
convinced of the beauties of the
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vegetarian diet.
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Now one of the problems is,
how do you go from preparing
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a meat based diet in
your kitchen to preparing a
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totally vegetarian
based diet in your kitchen,
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so I've asked Lidia Seda
who is a very excellent cook
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and has prepared
some very nice things...
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Thank you Lidia for
coming today and I'd like you to
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tell us how you prepared
some of these very delightful
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things that you have here.
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- Well what we have here is
basically just to give everyone
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an idea of what you can
have, you can have a lot of
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vegetables, some fruit,
and also a mashed potato
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with a gravy dish as
well. - Oh, mashed potatoes.
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- Yes, yes, without any butter,
without any of the heavy oils
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and heavy fats in them as well.
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- How does one mash potatoes
without dairy milk and butter?
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- Well you can use soy
milk instead, or you can make
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a cashew milk or any other type
of milk and use that instead,
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and that gives a
nicer thicker consistency.
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- Sounds as if you can
even make a nice potato soup
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just using soy
milk and potatoes.
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- Exactly! Maybe a little
bit of salt and a little basil.
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- I can envision that you
might even make a potato soufflé
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in the same way. - Exactly!
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- Potatoes that are
maybe something like par-boiled
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and some onions that
are chopped there an maybe
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braised a little bit before
you put them on, pour soy milk
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over it and put it
in the oven and bake it.
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It makes my mouth
water just to think of it.
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- Very simple and it
doesn't take all that much time
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I think many times now-a-days
people don't take time to eat
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well and to prepare, and
fast foods are what people
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have in mind, but it
is not nutritious foods.
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- Yes, I always wonder
what people are going to do
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with the time that they
save in fast food places because
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what is more important than
taking care of the food that
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we eat, because we think
with the food that we eat,
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we sing with the food we eat,
we pray with the food we eat,
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we do everything that we
are going to do with the food
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that we eat. - Exactly!
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May times I tell people, we
may spend a little more time
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in preparation if you are
not accustomed to preparing,
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especially if you are accustomed
to eating out all the time.
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But you may save a lot
more money on doctor bills
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and the time that you spend
in the doctor's office as well,
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and time that you loose from
work, and money that you may
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lose because you may
have to be out of work.
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In the long run, taking
care of yourself, you have
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better health and you
will save some time and
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some money as well.
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- You know Lidia, it is
true that at first you will
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probably spend more
time in the kitchen cooking
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the vegetarian things
than you've been accustomed to
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cooking the familiar
meat dishes... - Exactly!
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because you are
learning. - But I can assure you
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that I don't spend
all day in the kitchen.
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I enjoy cooking but that
is not my favorite activity,
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so I go to the kitchen
and cook and it's done.
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Or if I am going to cook
I may cook enough for 3 or 4
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meals, and then I freeze the
rest and I have just a portion
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that we are going
to have for that meal.
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- Just like any other
cook that is used to cooking
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would prepare and then
store some and freeze some
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and have some for later on.
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Those are the same principals.
- Same principals. - Exactly!
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- And the same
principals for preparing a menu.
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I remember when I was using
meat as the meat based diet,
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it was the meat, something
green, something yellow,
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a bread, a spread, a
beverage, and that was the meal.
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- Exactly! Exactly! -
It is exactly the same way
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a main dish, a cooked dish,
a raw dish, a bread and spread
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and if anybody
needs it you've got water
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as a beverage and
you have the meal.
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- Exactly! The nice thing
about this is that it is low
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protein, and...
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- Low in protein now
that's... - Yes it is.
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- I didn't expect... -
Ohhh, that is a curve ball
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that I just threw in there.
- Because most nutritionists
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don't say low
protein, they say high, now
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why do you say low in protein?
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- We have to recognize that
humans don't necessarily need
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the same amount of
proteins that other species do
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and we can see that especial
with the younger species,
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babies, when they are
growing and a human baby let's
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say needs about 1.2 mg per
liter of calcium to be able
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to double it's birth
weight in about 120 days,
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and a calf would need about
3.3 mg of calcium, excuse me,
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of protein per liter to be
able to double it's birth weight
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in about 47 days, and a
cat may need about 7.5- 9.5 mg
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of protein to be able
to double it's birth weight
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in about 7 days.
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So depending on the
species is the need for protein.
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- As specific as the finger
print, is the quantity of the
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protein in the mother's milk.
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- Exactly!
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- To make the little animal
do exactly what the creator
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wanted it to do. - To
be able for it to grow.
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- So you mean once we
get grown then we are not
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going to need so
much protein any more?
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- Exactly! - So
we don't need milk
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any more? - Exactly!
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Well what happens is,
once the child is weaned the
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the best thing that they
wean from is the mother's milk
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if possible, and after
that they can have soy milk
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or nut milks if you
want to continue giving them
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certain types of
milk that would be fine.
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What happens is many
times after they are weaned
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if the mother is breast
feeding they receive cows milk
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so the nutrition that the calf
might need goes to the infant
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who doesn't have the same
needs and so the child grows
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much quicker than maybe
need be, and accelerated
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growth also contributes
to accelerated time when
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they come to puberty at
a much earlier age as well.
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- And that is undesirable.
- Undesirable, exactly.
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What they have found
also that accelerated aging
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will cause accelerated
death and certain diseases
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that are degenerative,
like diabetes, arthritis,
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even cancers.
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The idea is like
putting a log into a fire place
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in comparison to
putting wood shavings,
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which ones would burn up faster?
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The wood shavings of course.
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So the idea is putting something
into the body that the body
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needs, and we have to know
the needs of the body as well.
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Another experiment that they
did with men, they gave them
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about 1,400 mg calcium and
then they gave them protein,
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they had 2 different
groups, one group had about 48
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grams of protein, the
other group had about 142 grams
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of protein, and what
they found in these two groups
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even though they had
the same amount of calcium
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that the group that had
the lower amount of protein
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was able to retain more
calcium, about 10 mg of calcium.
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But the group that had
the high amount of protein
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they actually were
losing about 84 mg of calcium.
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- I see what you are saying
the higher your protein intake
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the more calcium you
are going to be loosing.
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- Exactly!
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- So if you have a high
protein diet you must have
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a high calcium diet to...
and hope that you can hold on
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to some of it. - Exactly!
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So what happens over a
period of time, this can cause
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osteoporosis, it's a
thinning of the bones.
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So having a high protein
diet is not necessary and
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a vegetarian will get a
good 75 grams of protein
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per day and what the RDA
recommends for men is about
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54 grams, and for women
is about 45 grams of protein
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and that's well
over the required amount.
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Cause I understand Dr. Agatha
that you've even recommended
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at times that if we are
eating a good balanced diet
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that maybe even 20- 25 grams
of protein would be suffice
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and many other
doctors feel the same way.
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- It suffices but
probably nobody ever achieves
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that low a level. -
Yes, it's really hard to do.
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- Really hard to do because
when we were trying to get
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our kidney patients
on a low protein diet,
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maybe around 20
grams of protein per day
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we had to go to such
extreme measures as giving them
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starch crackers and forget
any kind of unrefined food
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we were trying to refine
out all the protein that we can
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and give them just very
refined things, lots of oil,
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and things of that nature,
just to keep their calories up.
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- Even on a vegetarian
diet to have a protein level
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that is that low
anyway. - But if you have well
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selected protein 20- 25 grams
is usually enough for a person
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in a day, but none of us is
able to achieve such a low level
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unless we take special measures.
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- Exactly! And another wonderful
thing about a good vegetarian
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diet is that it is high in
fiber, and many of you have
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heard fiber being totaled,
and it should be totaled,
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it should be totaled up well
and high because they have found
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that individuals that consume
anywhere from 25- 35 grams
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of fiber per day can
reduce their risk of cancers.
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Also now they are finding
is that anyone who eats about
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50 grams to 100 grams of fiber
per day will actually reduce
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their chances of
acquiring diabetes as well.
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The average American consumes
about 15% of their diet in fiber
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which is quite low, and
it's because many of the foods
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that the average American eats,
or individuals of an affluent
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societies is high in fat, high
in cholesterol, but very low
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in fiber, empty calories.
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- That's to bad. Now
I see here that you have
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this as if you were intending
this to be a main dish.
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- Yes I am. - This
potato, and you have
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what kind of
gravy is this on it?
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- A cashew
gravy. - A cashew gravy.
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Well that would be in protein,
of course that is not a lot,
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that you don't
have a lot of gravy.
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- No I don't. - So
it's not a huge amount
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of cashews and we want
to keep cashews down because
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they are a rather
concentrated food.
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So you've got potatoes
and cashew gravy and that's
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a main dish. -
It is a main dish.
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- That's good, I'm glad
to know that because you know
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potatoes are so
freely available everywhere
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and if I could have this as a
main dish then I have a yellow
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vegetable or a green vegetable,
and what you have here
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a vegetable platter.
- A vegetable platter.
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What is in the middle
of the vegetable platter?
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- The vegetable
platter has a soy mayonnaise
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that we have made.
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- Uhuh, soy mayonnaise,
ahh, that smells good.
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Does it have maybe a
little bit of garlic in it?
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- A little garlic, it
has onion as well and it is
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quite simple and if any
of you would like to know how
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to prepare this recipe, then
let me share with you how you
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can get a hold of it, it is:
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then you press links, then
you go to Uchee Pines and that's
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UCHEE the word PINES,
and if you are interested
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in some of the other
recipes that we have here
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I would like to share them
with you and the ingredients are
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as follows:
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And another recipe that we
have here that I would like
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to share with you
is a broccoli salad.
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- Oh that looks very
simple but very nice.
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- It's very nice, that spring
onion there, some fresh cut
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garlic cloves, and they
can be steamed a little bit
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so it takes away a little bit
of the bite, and this is some
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raw broccoli and again you
can steam it just a little bit
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if you like, but sometimes
it is a good idea to have some
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raw vegetables in your meal.
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- And if they are nice and
tender I like them just raw.
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- Exactly!
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- Do you have a
recipe for this? - Yes I do!
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For those of you who are
interested the ingredients for
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the Broccoli
Salad is as follows:
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- So you just put
all this together?
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- That's it, it is very simple.
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- Yes, I can see myself
just sort of sprinkling this
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and sprinkling this and
just tossing it in just no time.
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- I think when someone
sits down to this type of meal
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they've prepared,
something that is simple,
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something they know
that is nutritious, and also
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something they feel like
they actually benefitting
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their bodies by
what they are eating.
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I think it just gives a
sense of importance when we
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think in the Bible that
the Lord says we are fearfully
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and wonderfully made, and I
think we should eat according
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to that principal.
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- Absolutely, we need to
recognize that this equipment
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that we have is not just
any kind of old equipment,
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this is a very special
machine that we are dealing with
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and of course we want
to take good care of it.
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There are a number of
things that we can talk about
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concerning the vegetarian
cuisine and to understand
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just what to leave out
has been quite a trial,
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but the next thing that I
would like for us to do is
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to have Don Miller join me
here and to tell you some things
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that I think will be
very helpful to you...
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are you going to talk to
us about precocious puberty
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Don Miller?
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- A little bit. -
This is Don Miller,
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who is a Lifestyle
Counselor at Uchee Pines.
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- You know, usually when we
think of the word precocious
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we think of in a
very positive way.
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If a child is precocious, we
think that they could talk to us
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intelligently, they play
well with other children,
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they seem to have a
little bit more social graces.
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I find that many home schooled
children seem to be a little bit
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more precocious because
they are allowed to expand
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their minds, these I
think are very good things.
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It's the precocious physical
development which leads to
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a precocious chemical
development in the body
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which I feel is very
dangerous in today's society.
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We see precocious
children growing up today,
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you see them waddling into the
first years of school looking
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like Suma wrestlers already,
and I think that is a problem
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with that much
development in a child.
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This comes about mainly
from the habit of overeating
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and the overuse of animal foods.
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Over eating is something
that is very common in children,
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it's a habit that a child
gets into either forcing a child
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to finish what's on the
plate, what you put on the plate
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for them, and you can't leave
the table until you eat it.
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Or putting a lot of food
on their plate and saying,
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if you finish everything
you have you can have dessert.
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Both of those things are
going to make a child overeat,
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and overeating will
advance the child's metabolism
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to the point where it will
really slow it down and make
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him start growing
larger, and then all the animal
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foods that we put into a child.
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Which we can see now days
they could not have even of
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questioned that they
had all the hormones,
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growth hormones into food
because we want to make the
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animals grow fast, because
the faster the animals grow
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the sooner we
get them to market.
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The trouble is, the
thing called bio-magnification
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all these hormones in the
animal the child is putting into
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their body, and this child
all of a sudden starts growing
00:20:28.84\00:20:31.89
as fast as that cow
does, and pretty soon hormones
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are shooting out
through that child and the child
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is not ready to handle
these changes in their bodies.
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I think it is a very sad thing
that we see in the children.
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- Yes it is, and of course
we do know that the more rapidly
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a child matures, the more
rapidly he is going to go into
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the senile decline, and of
course that is something that
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we don't want at
all with our children.
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I have here a kidney,
which I would like to show you,
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it's a plastic model but
it shows fairly well the way
00:21:04.76\00:21:08.92
that the kidney
actually looks internally.
00:21:08.95\00:21:11.22
I think that the kidney
is one of the most beautiful
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of our internal organs, we
might think that is a little
00:21:13.83\00:21:16.23
strange, but it is so regular,
everything about it is so neat.
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The little lines that go here
can be seen with the naked eye,
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just as you can see them here,
these are called medullary rays
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and out here in this sort of
pinkish part, that is the cortex
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and this is really the
business part of the kidneys.
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This is where
the urine is formed,
00:21:41.61\00:21:43.54
this is also where the
blood is purified, this is where
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our minerals are balanced.
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An enormous amount of
activity goes on right here,
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this is why when a person
has a problem with the kidneys,
00:21:53.59\00:21:57.95
they cannot live
without the kidneys.
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Of course we can take out
a number of organs and people
00:22:00.28\00:22:02.78
can live without those, but
you can't take out the kidneys
00:22:02.81\00:22:05.85
and live, you can take out
one and then the other kidney
00:22:05.88\00:22:09.09
fortunately can
overgrow and supply it's place.
00:22:09.12\00:22:13.55
What we want to do when we
think about the kidney is to
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do those things
that will protect it:
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Drinking lots of water is one
thing, one very important thing,
00:22:20.30\00:22:23.67
not eating to much protein
is another very important thing
00:22:23.70\00:22:27.49
and a vegetarian diet is usually
helpful with both of those.
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It provides more water, and
it also provides a lower protein
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meal for satisfaction of
our appetites and still does not
00:22:36.59\00:22:42.45
give us to much protein.
00:22:42.48\00:22:43.93
Another thing, a lot of
vegetarian foods are soy based
00:22:43.96\00:22:48.77
and soy protein has a protective
effect for this part out here
00:22:48.80\00:22:54.75
that I told you was the
business part of the kidneys,
00:22:54.78\00:22:57.71
the cortex, the kidney cortex,
and this protein actually
00:22:57.74\00:23:02.11
has a healing and
protective benefit.
00:23:02.14\00:23:05.01
If you form a stone, the
stone is going to form probably
00:23:05.05\00:23:09.46
somewhere at the tip of these
little pyramids and you can see
00:23:09.49\00:23:14.81
that there is then an opening
which is somewhat like a funnel,
00:23:14.84\00:23:17.80
here it is, it is cut away right
here and there you can see the
00:23:17.83\00:23:23.17
funnel part, and then the little
stone forms there, falls down
00:23:23.20\00:23:29.22
into the pelvis of the kidney,
then goes down the ureter
00:23:29.25\00:23:34.00
all the way down to the bladder.
00:23:34.03\00:23:37.22
Now kidney stones are also more
likely to be formed in people
00:23:37.25\00:23:42.32
who eat a lot of animal protein
and in people who drink a lot
00:23:42.35\00:23:45.55
of soft drinks, they are
more likely to get kidney stones
00:23:45.58\00:23:50.44
and then have to treat your
kidney stones becomes a serious
00:23:50.47\00:23:55.11
problem, and maybe an extremely
expensive problem as well.
00:23:55.14\00:23:59.04
So in many ways the vegetarian
cuisine is very protective,
00:23:59.07\00:24:06.35
very helpful for people
who are willing to adapt it.
00:24:06.38\00:24:10.91
Now there is a downside to the
meat problem, the meat industry
00:24:10.94\00:24:18.68
that we need to discuss
somewhat, which may help you
00:24:18.71\00:24:22.14
if you were sort of teetering
on the fence of whether to be
00:24:22.17\00:24:24.70
a vegetarian or not.
If you know the downside
00:24:24.73\00:24:27.88
it may help you to be
a vegetarian which as a
00:24:27.91\00:24:30.49
physician, I feel very free to
promote for people so Don Miller
00:24:30.52\00:24:36.18
is going to talk with you a
little bit about some toxins
00:24:36.21\00:24:40.01
in animals.
00:24:40.04\00:24:41.21
- I am going to just limit
it to fish because of the amount
00:24:41.24\00:24:45.43
of time remaining, but I
want to read to you a section
00:24:45.46\00:24:48.93
out of the clean water
act and here is what it says.
00:24:48.96\00:24:52.58
This is always what we believed
I'm afraid that we passed down,
00:24:52.61\00:24:57.47
dilution is the
solution to pollution.
00:24:57.50\00:24:59.97
Chemicals dumped in mixing
zones can include mercury,
00:25:00.00\00:25:04.10
BCB's, Chlordane, BCC,
Dioxin, and Matrix, as well as
00:25:04.13\00:25:10.80
many other chemicals, so
basically what they are saying
00:25:10.83\00:25:13.70
there are places in water
which are called mixing zones,
00:25:13.73\00:25:16.18
and we are allowed to dump
toxins into these mixing zones
00:25:16.21\00:25:19.60
it is allowed by
the Clean Water Act.
00:25:19.63\00:25:21.56
Now what happens, we've got
these chemicals in the water.
00:25:21.59\00:25:24.58
In the water we have
fish, now what I want to do is
00:25:24.61\00:25:27.71
show you over here
at the white board...
00:25:27.74\00:25:29.17
I want to show you a
little study they did in the
00:25:29.20\00:25:31.70
Long Island Sound in 1968.
00:25:31.73\00:25:36.41
Basically you've got this water
that's all the run off from the
00:25:36.44\00:25:41.43
land where you've got all kinds
of chemicals and whatever else
00:25:41.46\00:25:44.53
flowing into the water.
00:25:44.56\00:25:46.05
Basically your zooplankton,
plankton, the little plants
00:25:46.08\00:25:49.61
that live in the water are
absorbing the little animals
00:25:49.64\00:25:52.49
that live in the water
are accumulating these toxins
00:25:52.52\00:25:57.52
in their little
bodies about 800 times.
00:25:57.55\00:26:01.28
This is what we call
bio-accumulation at the first
00:26:01.31\00:26:05.50
level of the food
chain its about that much,
00:26:05.53\00:26:10.78
now we've got some fish
swimming through the water
00:26:10.81\00:26:13.13
eating the zooplankton, so
they will in their little bodies
00:26:13.16\00:26:18.31
about 31 times accumulation.
00:26:18.34\00:26:22.11
So they are going to eat
this and all the chemicals
00:26:22.14\00:26:26.89
that we might have in the water
will be accumulated in their
00:26:26.92\00:26:30.09
fat cells, and then fish
number two eats fish number one,
00:26:30.12\00:26:34.09
and that takes up about another
1.7 times from this fish,
00:26:34.12\00:26:38.96
1.7 times. So
what we have to do is
00:26:38.99\00:26:40.80
multiply this
times this, times this.
00:26:40.83\00:26:44.15
Now the next step we go to is
the sea gull who eats this fish,
00:26:44.18\00:26:48.70
it takes up about 4.8
times, if you multiply all this
00:26:48.73\00:26:55.17
together, it comes out to
about 202,368 times what is was
00:26:55.20\00:27:02.29
when it first
came into the water.
00:27:02.32\00:27:04.01
This is what happens
when we eat an animal, a fish,
00:27:04.04\00:27:08.57
this is what happens
when we eat the fish.
00:27:08.60\00:27:10.85
All the toxins that have
been going into this water from
00:27:10.88\00:27:14.48
the runoff and the sewage,
from the factories and the ships
00:27:14.51\00:27:17.75
that flow through the
water are accumulating slowly
00:27:17.78\00:27:20.38
but surely through the
food chain, until finally we're
00:27:20.41\00:27:23.33
taking in fantastic amounts
of these very deadly chemicals
00:27:23.37\00:27:30.03
in our bodies, so my thoughts
are it is not time to be a
00:27:30.06\00:27:33.56
fish-o-vegetarian, its time to
be a strict vegetarian leaving
00:27:33.59\00:27:37.10
off of all animal
products Dr. Thrash.
00:27:37.13\00:27:39.12
- Well, I can tell you, you
have convinced me and although
00:27:39.15\00:27:43.77
I used to enjoy fish, I
don't think I ever will again.
00:27:43.80\00:27:46.80
Thank you so much for
presenting these things to us,
00:27:46.83\00:27:50.12
and with all of this we do
hope that you will consider
00:27:50.15\00:27:54.19
affirm being a vegetarian.
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