Participants: Agatha Thrash, Wynn Horsely, Don Miller
Series Code: HYTH
Program Code: HYTH000171
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00:01 Welcome to "Help Yourself to Health"
00:03 I'm Agatha Thrash, a staff physician 00:05 at Uchee Pines Institute... 00:07 and we're going to talk with you today about this very 00:11 dreaded diagnosis "cancer" 00:14 You know, I don't even like the word, do you? 00:18 And yet, we're not powerless against it. 00:21 There're many things that we can do... 00:23 And we'll be talking with you about some things that 00:26 cause cancer and some things that you can do 00:28 to keep yourself from getting cancer. 00:30 We'd like to have you join us. 00:53 Welcome to "Help Yourself to Health" 00:55 with Dr. Agatha Thrash of Uchee Pines Institute 00:58 and now, here's your host, Dr. Thrash 01:03 There have been several times in my life when I have 01:06 made some MAJOR changes in my life. 01:10 One of those has to do with the lungs... 01:14 And I have here from the American Lung Association, 01:17 a model, or a little representation of the lungs 01:20 I was just looking at this cancer of the lung... 01:24 and I remember when I stopped smoking... 01:26 It was a day when a surgeon friend of mine brought a lung 01:33 over to the laboratory for me to examine it 01:36 and to give him the terrible diagnosis of cancer. 01:39 Of course, we already knew it was cancer. 01:41 And, I made a major lifestyle change at that time. 01:45 Then, there have been some other times when I've made changes. 01:49 When my mother was diagnosed with cancer of the colon, 01:52 I made some other major changes, 01:55 realizing that cancer of the colon sort of runs in families 01:59 and so do life style, so I made some life style changes 02:03 with that. 02:04 And then, I've made some other changes... 02:07 cancer of the breast and cancer of the ovaries are 02:09 known to be associated with a variety of dietary 02:13 lifestyles and habits... 02:16 And so I have made some major changes as I have gotten 02:20 into the age of being susceptible to those 02:23 kinds of cancers. 02:25 And there are so many... being fair-skinned and blue-eyed 02:29 I've made some changes having to do with the way that I 02:33 take care of my skin. 02:34 And so I'd like to talk with you today... 02:37 and I would like for my colleague at Uchee Pines 02:39 to join me, Dr. Winn Horsley, 02:42 who will assist me with the presentation of a LARGE 02:46 amount of material on cancer... 02:49 so much written today, Dr. Horsley... Hello 02:51 on this matter of cancer... 02:54 And, Dr. Horsley and I and the other staff physicians 02:58 at Uchee Pines see a good bit of cancer... We do. 03:01 We feel that there are many things that we can do 03:08 and yet we also realize that this is a very powerful foe. 03:12 So, we want to do what we can. 03:14 So, Dr. Winn, would you sort of kick the ball off for us 03:19 in talking about cancer. 03:21 Well, maybe one could start with this issue of growth. 03:27 All right... yes, growth. 03:29 Growth is always good, isn't it? 03:31 Well, you know, we tend to think that way. 03:34 We think of, of course, a child growing... 03:36 and, if he didn't grow, how sad it would be. 03:39 So we tend to generalize and think growth is always 03:44 a positive thing. 03:45 Well, when we come to cancer, we realize there has to be a 03:48 strong correction to that view. 03:50 Cancer is simply the excessive growth and multiplication 03:55 of cells... when really, they should have limited and stayed 03:59 right where they were and not grown at all. 04:02 Now, what foods tend to promote growth? 04:08 I think that's an interesting question... 04:10 since really, cancer, is growth when it shouldn't be there. 04:14 And, this might not be the scientific way to go about it, 04:18 but I think we can talk about science after we talk 04:22 about just this general reflection. 04:24 There are foods that the Creator made for growth... 04:27 even rapid growth. 04:29 And, one would think that those wouldn't be very 04:33 appropriate at a time of life when we don't want 04:35 anymore growth. 04:37 And so, what foods are the ones for growth? 04:40 Well, I think we can think right away... 04:41 the young, not only of humans but of all the mammal species, 04:47 receive milk from their mothers. 04:50 And so that milk causes a tremendous growth 04:56 A baby triples its weight in the first year. 05:00 Doubles it's birth weight in 6 months 05:02 and triples it in a year... There it is... okay 05:05 That's milk that is doing that. 05:08 Aside from the abundance of water in milk, 05:11 you've got lots of protein. 05:13 And some growth factors that are specific, other than 05:17 just the protein and the fat and the sugar, 05:20 but some specific growth factors that our 05:23 loving Divine Designer put in the milk... so that the 05:27 little infant could grow and could get so that he is 05:30 big enough to stand alone. 05:32 Another food that we might not think of right away 05:36 as being a growth food, but actually it's for growth 05:39 before birth... 05:40 Here, we're talking about food that is in the bird family 05:45 ...it's eggs. 05:48 Eggs have all that substance which the tiny creature 05:54 that's going to hatch... 05:57 All that it needs from a tiny 1 cell state until it is ready 06:02 to hatch out of the egg. 06:03 So, that's a tremendous growth spurt. 06:07 Well those foods, one might, again I say... 06:12 Not because I've proved it right now in this discussion... 06:15 But what one might wonder, those foods that are made 06:18 to promote rapid growth, by the Creator... 06:23 One could have a big question mark... is that appropriate 06:25 when we're at a stage when we don't want to grow 06:27 any further... Yes. 06:28 Well, I certainly agree with you that we do not want 06:33 to promote growth when we're in the cancer age. Um hm 06:36 I was thinking, you know, in that regard, really 06:41 you talked about milk as having other factors and really being 06:45 ...it's a food that is concentrated in a way 06:48 It's a very specialized food. Um hm 06:52 Calorie-dense, or unit of volume that has a lot of calories. 06:57 Especially cow's milk. Yes 06:59 Compared to human milk. Yes. 07:01 Other concentrated foods, might wonder... one could have 07:06 the same kind of question about PROTEIN as a substance 07:11 We do need in adult life, but a small amount, 07:14 since all that the protein REALLY is needed for, 07:18 in adult life, when we've achieved our full height, 07:21 is repair. 07:23 It's not for growth anymore. 07:24 And so, if we're giving a person way more protein than what he 07:29 needs for that repair, then we're giving him a growth food 07:35 that really is at inappropriate quantities. 07:38 And can stimulate the growth of neoplasms or new growths 07:45 whether they be benign new growths, 07:48 or malignant new growths like cancer. 07:50 You know, I was thinking of this and thinking about 07:53 the topic... benign growths which, you know that sounds fine 07:58 But who wants benign growths? 08:00 Whether it's on our skin, as lumps coming out, 08:02 or in the uterus, or in the breasts... Exactly! 08:05 Or in the colon where polyps can even block the way. 08:09 One other concentrated food I'd like to mention is sugar. 08:14 Oh yes... 08:16 Now sugar isn't a growth food, but it's an extremely 08:19 concentrated food and the problem is, 08:23 you don't have the OTHER nutrients... 08:25 when you've just isolated out the sugar, you don't have the 08:28 nutrients even to metabolize and work with the sugar well 08:31 And, since we're talking about cancer, 08:36 this would probably be an appropriate time to mention 08:39 that our BIGGEST protection against cancer is the 08:42 immune system. Um hm... yes, it is 08:44 Constantly monitoring the cells of our body IF the 08:47 immune system is functioning well. 08:49 And one very impressive point about the immune system 08:56 is that with increased sugar intake, it is suppressed. 09:02 A large quantity of sugar and we could even explain this 09:07 quantitatively in terms of so many teaspoons of sugar 09:11 it will reduce the ability of the white blood cells, 09:14 that are the heart of the immune system, to do their job. 09:17 And that job is not just fighting infection but 09:21 detecting cancer and eliminating it. 09:24 Dr. Winn, I'm sure you've had patients to tell you 09:27 or to ask you... when you have said to them what you've 09:32 just said or approximately what you've just said, 09:35 "Doctor, you're NOT going to take away my sugar, are you?" 09:38 Actually, the Creator put the sugar in all kinds of foods. Yes 09:44 You think that's enough for people? 09:45 Oh absolutely! 09:48 It might not be enough to satisfy the palate of those 09:50 who have been accustomed to taking 1/2 or 3/4 of a cup 09:53 of sugar a day. 09:55 You know, people... when one talks about amounts of sugar, 09:58 ...there's one graph that we use where it mentions 10:03 12 and 24 teaspoons of sugar and people are going... 10:07 ...who in the world is going to eat that much sugar? 10:09 One banana split has 25 teaspoons worth of sugar in it. 10:14 Yes, it's amazing that just one dish... 10:18 Sometimes a person will have a little sick-feeling 10:21 in eating a banana split but most of the time, 10:24 people who are accustomed to eating heavy sweets can 10:28 take that banana split down and not have ANY 10:30 sense of nausea with it... 10:32 And yet, I have seen the reverse thing too... 10:35 I've seen people who have come from third world countries 10:37 where they've eaten a lot of just native foods, 10:41 and then I would serve a dish at my table that had 10:45 just the sweet fruits like bananas, maybe some 10:48 dried fruits but nothing that was a concentrated sweetener 10:52 added and have them say, "That's very sweet. " 10:57 And know that it was because their appetite was not overly 11:03 stimulated by too much sugar. 11:05 I'm wondering if we shouldn't mention more... 11:08 You've already talked about lung cancer... 11:10 I want to get you to tell some reasons why 11:12 though... some other things about lung cancer 11:16 I would just like to show this picture of the lung cancer. 11:21 Notice this big growth here... 11:22 You can easily see it, you don't even need to have it 11:25 blown up but here it is... This is the cancer 11:29 Here is the lung and there is the cancer. 11:32 And the American Cancer Assoc. and American Lung Assoc. has 11:36 shown this cancer very graphically here 11:39 And I have seen lungs with this very same type of cancer 11:43 maybe 200 times and it's so discouraging because 11:49 we know that this person who has that... has a high 11:54 likelihood of dying with it, a 95% chance of 11:57 dying with the cancer. 11:59 And so it's SO discouraging to make this diagnosis when 12:03 it's in this stage. 12:04 It's just so fatal... 12:06 Yes. Now smoking is known to be associated... 12:09 What about other things that smoking is... 12:13 You know, that's a very interesting thing... 12:16 Nowadays, it is well known. 12:18 Back 40 years ago, it wasn't well-appreciated, 12:23 that smoking caused lung cancer. 12:25 BUT, one thing that I think is not generally known, 12:31 I saw a paper about lung cancer where they related it to 12:35 coffee-drinking or caffeine intake... Ah ha 12:38 And so the association was not as strong as smoking, 12:43 it didn't multiply the risk by 10, but as I remember, 12:47 it was something like 3... 12:48 so it's a significant factor as well as smoking... I should say 12:51 That's 300% more and that's a significant amount. 12:56 Then other bad habits as well can increase one's 13:00 likelihood of getting cancer of the lung, 13:02 or cancer in any other place. 13:03 So that we can say that as you add bad health habits, 13:07 you increase your risk of getting almost every 13:10 kind of cancer. 13:11 So if you smoke 1 or 2 cigarettes a day, 13:13 you think very good about yourself... 13:15 "I only smoke 2 or 3 cigarettes a day" 13:17 "It's not enough to give me lung cancer" 13:19 But if you also drink coffee... 13:21 If you're also a big, heavy sweet eater... 13:25 If you're also a person who eats a lot of the 13:28 "growth-promoting" foods, 13:30 then pretty soon, you've got a situation where you've 13:33 added one cancer-producing agent after another. 13:36 Then you live in a smoggy area and you've got the stage set. 13:41 That's it. All these things are tipping the balance 13:44 in the wrong direction and you don't know 13:46 when it's enough to tip it. 13:49 What about cancer of the skin? 13:51 Do you have anything special about cancer of the skin? 13:55 Well, cancer of the skin is interesting in that it's 14:01 the most common cancer of all apparently. 14:05 I recently read that... and I've seen it... 14:09 in my own family... cancer of the skin has occurred 14:12 and among acquaintances I have. 14:14 The interesting thing that the public, I think is generally 14:20 aware of and have been bombarded about is that 14:25 sunlight will cause skin cancer and there is no doubt 14:30 about it. 14:31 If a person is exposed excessively to the sun, 14:35 then you're certainly increasing your risk of skin cancer. 14:38 Now, I think at that point, we should say something... 14:43 and it's that they've really shown it clearly to be related 14:47 to sunburns. Ah ha... 14:49 NOT to just being out in the sun, but when you 14:53 go to the point of burning your skin, then you are 14:55 increasing your risk of skin cancer. 14:58 But there's another point here... 15:00 that I think is NOT generally appreciated and it's this... 15:04 that if diet is changed, it changes your risk of skin cancer 15:11 There was an experiment done in which they took rabbits, 15:17 shaved their backs so that the light could get 15:21 right to the skin. 15:23 They put them in an environment, a cage where 15:25 they had ultraviolet light... 15:26 which is the part of sunlight which causes skin cancer. 15:30 And when they did this with rabbits that were getting 15:33 what could be considered the general American diet 15:35 in rabbit form... 15:37 24% of them got skin cancer. 15:41 They repeated the experiment and all they did was add in 15:45 some vitamin E and some vitamin C... 15:49 And instead of 24%, 0% got skin cancer. 15:52 Is that right? That's amazing. 15:54 So the high fat, high sugar, high salt diet 15:58 does something to promote skin cancer IF the person 16:03 also gets ultraviolet light. That's right. 16:06 And then, of course, most cancers, if not all cancers, 16:10 do have a virus involved in the production of the cancer. 16:14 So then we can say that cancers, 16:16 especially like cancer of the skin... 16:18 we can know that it has a number of things. 16:20 It has the virus, has the diet, it has the sunburning with 16:25 the ultraviolet light and probably has also some 16:29 genetic factors like with people who have blue eyes 16:34 or fair skin, or are exposed a lot to the sun. 16:39 Yes... go ahead... 16:40 Now, I'm wondering on some other specific 16:46 cancer because it is of real interest... 16:47 Cancer, in a way, you can say is many diseases... Yes, many! 16:50 It's really not just one disease. 16:52 Regarding women, you've done a lot of work on women's 16:59 diseases and problems. 17:00 Would there be something that we could know about preventing 17:05 or related to say... ovarian cancer? 17:07 Yes, there are some things. 17:09 We know, as an example, that if a woman takes 17:15 fermented dairy products like yogurt... as much as 17:19 3 or 4 times a week, that increases her risk of getting 17:22 cancer of the ovary. 17:23 We also know that women who drink coffee will also 17:28 have an increased risk of getting cancer of the ovary 17:31 And some research is being done that implicates a number 17:35 of other foods in the American cuisine which most of us 17:41 have had from childhood up... 17:43 that can encourage cancer of the ovaries. 17:45 But a well-done plant-based diet is known to be protective 17:52 for cancer of the ovary... which is a very serious cancer... 17:55 Once it has been discovered, it is usually too late 17:58 to operate on it and take the ovary out. 18:01 So with cancer of the ovary, the diet is a big factor 18:06 and other things in lifestyles... 18:08 Smoking is another factor. 18:10 And taking of hormones is another factor in ovarian cancer 18:18 Then another BIG cancer that we have is cancer of the colon. 18:22 And I mentioned that when my mother was diagnosed 18:25 with cancer of the colon, I made some big changes 18:28 in my lifestyle. 18:30 You've seen a lot of people with cancer of the colon... 18:33 What factors do you have about cancer 18:35 of the colon you'd like to mention? 18:37 The feature of colon cancer that has impressed me the most 18:42 is tied in with the name of a missionary that went to Africa 18:48 Burkett... Dr. Burkett Oh Yes... yes 18:52 He noted... There's a fairly involved story but to 18:56 shorten it down, he noted that in going from his 19:00 home in England, down to Africa, certain diseases didn't 19:03 occur at all... among the people that did live primitively. 19:06 Now they were there among those that lived in the cities 19:08 in Africa... one of those diseases was colon cancer. 19:11 And the crucial factor that he showed clearly was involved 19:16 was when there was low fiber in the food... 19:20 then there was high chance, high risk of colon cancer... 19:23 And this, of course, is the way in a modern society 19:26 many people eat... 19:27 All those hamburgers, all the soda pop... 19:30 There's no fiber in those things 19:32 And so there is not much that promotes the movement 19:34 in clearing out of those poisons that are collecting 19:37 in the colon. 19:38 Whereas, when you eat a natural diet, whole foods, 19:42 plant foods... they have lots of fiber and it passes out 19:48 and gets rid of those poisons that promote colon cancer. 19:52 In fact, he had a curious little law that he made from that... 19:55 It was this... just before saying the law, 20:00 When a person eats a high fiber diet, you do have a larger 20:04 amount of stool being produced. 20:06 And his law was this... 20:08 "The amount of stool production in any community 20:12 was inversely related to the size of their hospitals. " 20:15 Is that right? 20:17 Well I could certainly believe that because we know that 20:20 a high fiber diet also helps with a high blood cholesterol 20:25 and that would help us with heart health. 20:27 And, you know, concerning cancer... 20:29 there are certain organs of the body that tend to not 20:35 get cancer... like the spleen 20:37 You almost never see the spleen having a cancer, 20:42 except in certain very specific hematologic cancers. 20:49 And the heart... it just almost never... 20:53 except in a congenital disorder called "tuberous sclerosis" 20:57 I have very RARELY ever seen a cancer of the heart itself. 21:03 And in some countries, they just don't have 21:05 cancer of the colon. 21:06 To us, in this country, that's remarkable because we 21:09 expect that a large percentage of our population will 21:13 come down with cancer of the colon. 21:15 So we need to look at the life style of these countries 21:18 where they simply don't have it, 21:20 and study that and implement some of the things that they do. 21:28 There are a number of other cancers that we have here 21:30 and I was just wondering about cancer of the pancreas. 21:35 You know, I'm going to kick that one back... 21:37 All right... I wanted to say one little point about cancer 21:40 that to me is very interesting. 21:42 We're back to skin cancer... Ah ha 21:44 If you compare people living in the tropics and those 21:52 that live in northern latitudes where they get much less 21:54 sunlight, the people in the tropics do get more skin cancer 21:58 The ones in the northern latitudes get these terrible 22:02 cancers like pancreatic cancer and other internal cancers 22:07 And the total mortality from cancer is higher in the 22:11 northern latitudes, the people getting less sunlight. 22:14 And so, if you just had to take your pick, 22:17 you would want more sunlight, not less... 22:19 It actually stimulates the immune system. 22:21 And one, I think, very interesting point here is 22:25 in cancer, I think everyone is aware that the crucial 22:28 thing to do is to diagnose early... Ah ha 22:30 That's why pancreatic cancer is so terrible... 22:33 and ovarian cancer... Absolutely 22:35 I remember patients coming with those diseases... 22:38 It's just sad because usually it's too advanced. 22:41 Too deep in, we don't recognize until it's too late 22:46 and they are not something that is like the colon 22:49 where we would have some dysfunction that would help 22:51 us to know... With the pancreas and with 22:54 the ovaries, we don't recognize any dysfunction 22:57 and so they get far advanced cancers way beyond our help. 23:02 So if sunlight can help stimulate the immune system, 23:06 and, therefore, help avoid some of these cancers, 23:11 tremendous! 23:13 Now, if you're going to get a cancer... 23:14 which would be the easiest diagnosed? 23:16 Skin cancer... Well, when it's on the skin! 23:18 It's right there at the first! 23:19 Doctor, what's that? 23:22 Which, I guess, raises the point... 23:23 If you do have a skin growth, anything new, 23:26 go right away and check it with a skin specialist. 23:29 Yes and anything in your body that you do not understand, 23:33 that should be investigated... it's part of our responsibility 23:38 ...if we don't understand what's going on, 23:40 we try to get someone who can help us to understand 23:43 what's going on. 23:44 Now with cancer of the pancreas, I would like to say that 23:48 we do have certain things that are known to be associated 23:53 with cancer of the pancreas such as drinking alcohol. 23:59 We know that there are a number of problems with 24:02 drinking alcohol and these problems center in metabolism. 24:08 The metabolism carried on in the liver and the metabolism 24:12 carried on the pancreas. 24:13 Alcohol is a poison that damages every cell in the body. 24:18 It damages the brain. 24:19 It damages the lungs. 24:22 The damages the gastrointestinal tract, as well as the liver 24:26 and the pancreas. 24:27 Probably most severely hit with alcohol is the pancreas. 24:33 Now you might say... "Well, I don't drink, so 24:35 I won't get cancer of the pancreas. " 24:37 Well, unfortunately, there is some research being 24:40 done now... A researcher, I believe he lives in Kentucky 24:44 ...is doing some research in which he has found that the 24:49 average American, with the kind of lifestyle that we have, 24:52 with eating between meals and eating too many varieties 24:55 at a meal... too many dishes served at a meal 24:59 And, we eat too much, that this kind of lifestyle with 25:06 not a lot of exercise either, will promote the production 25:10 of about 1 quart of beer every day. 25:14 Well that's a good bit of alcohol that the individual 25:17 would produce himself... just from those things that 25:21 he, himself, will be engaged in just in his ordinary lifestyle. 25:28 Then, in addition to that, having diabetes will encourage 25:32 having cancer of the pancreas. 25:34 Now another cancer that I'd like to tell you about is 25:38 that of cancer of the stomach. 25:40 The stomach is a very ABUSED organ. 25:43 This abused organ is likely to get various kinds of problems... 25:49 Gastritis is one. 25:51 Peptic ulcers is another. 25:54 And then cancer of the stomach is another very 25:57 serious cancer of people... 26:00 And it also may not give early warning signs... 26:04 So that when the cancer of the stomach is discovered, 26:07 it may be fairly far advanced. 26:09 We know that in countries of the world where they 26:12 eat a lot of spicy foods and fermented foods, 26:19 vinegary foods, and other foods that are 26:22 irritating to the stomach, that in these countries, 26:25 they are more likely to get cancer of the stomach. 26:29 Those countries of the world where they are the highest 26:32 in the use of these very irritating spices like... 26:36 cayenne pepper... they eat it every day in large quantities 26:39 and ginger, cinnamon and cloves and the like... 26:42 And they eat it in LARGE quantities. 26:45 In these countries, they are more likely to get cancer of the 26:50 back of the throat, and the esophagus and the stomach. 26:53 Now, as we concentrate on these cancers, 26:58 we can see that lifestyle is very heavily involved. 27:02 We have mentioned a number of these things in just 27:04 this one short program. 27:06 And we have, by no means, covered the entire gamut. 27:10 Probably the best place that a person could read about 27:13 lifestyle and the kind of lifestyle that would be the 27:17 most advantageous for good health and to avoid 27:20 such diseases as cancer, would be a book called 27:24 "Ministry of Healing" which covers the entire gamut 27:28 of lifestyle problems and can be a most beneficial adjunct 27:35 to the information that you, yourself have, that can 27:39 help you to develop in yourself that kind of lifestyle 27:43 to give you RESISTANCE against serious diseases 27:47 that can threaten your life. 27:49 Our Heavenly Father desires above ALL THINGS 27:52 that we may prosper and be in health. 27:55 May God bless you. |
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