Hello, I'm Agatha Thrash
one of the staff physicians
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at Uchee Pines Institute.
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We deal a lot in the heart
and the heart is one of those
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organs most involved in getting
a beating from a wrong lifestyle
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So, we will be talking,
during the next half an hour
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about what you can do to
help yourself not get a beating
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in the heart
from a poor lifestyle.
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So we hope you will join us.
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Welcome to "Help
Yourself to Health"
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with Dr. Agatha Thrash
of Uchee Pines Institute
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And now, here's
your host, Dr. Thrash.
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We read a lot and we
hear a lot about life style
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and how it's
wrong, or how it's good.
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And what can be done to
make it so that the heart
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is LESS likely to
have a problem from
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poor lifestyle problems.
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Now you know, in this country,
we find a lot, we read a lot
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in newspapers.
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I have some papers here
in my hand, some reprints
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of medical journals that
tell about all these problems
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that we have in our lifestyle.
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All of those things that
we can do that will correct
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these lifestyles and so I'm
very happy that we have SO much
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that's written and so
much that's spoken about
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today that can
give us some help,
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so that the things that
we have done since childhood
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...the way that our parents
lived that gave them diabetes
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and heart disease
and hypertension...
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We know a lot now about things
that can help us not to succumb
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to those diseases.
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So, I've asked one of my
colleagues at Uchee Pines
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Dr. Winn Horsley, to join me
so that we can discuss for you
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some of those issues
that can strengthen the body
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This is Dr. Winn Horsley, who is
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one of our
physicians at Uchee Pines.
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And I am interested in
our talking some about maybe
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the difference between animal
foods or foods of animal origin
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and foods of plant origin.
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Of course today, we're
hearing a good bit about that
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and just what we
can do ourselves...
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Are all plants good?
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Are all animal
products not good?
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And what can you
tell us about this item?
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Well, one of the terms
that's used a fair bit is the
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expression...
"saturated vs. unsaturated fats"
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and the relation of that to
another term... "cholesterol"
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I think is worth
talking about for a minute.
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Now, unsaturated
fats are in many vegetable
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and plant products...
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the big majority
would be what would be
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called "unsaturated fats. "
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They are generally
liquid ... liquid oils
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Liquid at room temperature...
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...at room temperature.
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If you have a saturated
fat of the usual kind of
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edible food
types of saturated fat,
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they are often
SOLID at room temperature.
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You mean like a lard?
Lard, Crisco, butter... so on.
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And, in fact, the
process of hydrogenation takes
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an unsaturated fat and
makes it into a saturated one...
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Like corn oil and
saturates the carbon chain
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and makes it into a hard fat...
That's right. That's right.
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So, that's one
aspect of the issue.
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Now, since we're
talking about heart disease,
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we've got to get to
those lesions in the heart...
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the plugging of the
arteries that occurs
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and if they're already are
deposits in those arteries,
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then saturated fat can
get entangled in that...
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and add to it.
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So the
cholesterol goes in first,
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then you eat saturated
fats, and it can get entangled
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in the plaque inside the
artery as well... That's right!
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You went right
ahead and pointed out,
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the real ultimate, basic
culprit is that cholesterol
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that first sticks on the wall.
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It's not saturated
fats that start or are the
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primary enemy here.
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Now the wall itself,
or the lining itself...
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Is it somehow... doomed
from the birth of the person
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to get cholesterol stuck on it?
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No... maybe it would be
worthwhile to show an artery
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with the deposit
that's forming Good, yes.
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Now here's an artery
that should be wide open,
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and we have it this way,
so the blood can just course
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through it.
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If we get a deposit forming,
of course that will interfere
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with the flow...
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And the initial
factor, the initial substance
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that causes this is one of
the fractions of cholesterol
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that will stick... it's sticky..
to the surface on the inside
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of the artery.
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Now, once it there, you can
get saturated fat entangled.
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Now maybe one should say
a word about cholesterol...
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We shouldn't think of
cholesterol as totally an enemy
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We need cholesterol in our body.
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It's the basis for
building several hormones...
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But, the essential point is
that all the cholesterol we need
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is produced by our liver.
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You don't need
any from the outside.
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And the BIG problem is...
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that the cholesterol that
comes from the outside actually
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has changed...
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The oxygen in the air has
changed it, so it becomes toxic
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So that cholesterol that might
come in eggs or in meat products
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or milk or cheese... has been
changed by the oxygen in the air
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to make a more damaging
type of cholesterol... Exactly
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Called oxidized
cholesterol... That's right.
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And with respect to cholesterol,
I think it's worthwhile
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for us just to take a
minute to point out where it is.
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Now the saturated and
nonsaturated fats are in various
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plant foods.
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There is some
saturated fat in nuts...
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There's also some unsaturated
fats... it varies according to
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what nuts you have.
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BUT, there is no cholesterol
at all in any plant food.
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None at all... even in
coconut which does have a lot of
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saturated fat.
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Now, if it's not in plant
foods, where's the cholesterol?
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Well, it's all
in the animal foods.
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And here, I'd like to point
out, people I think feel better
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when they use skim
milk... feeling that, you know,
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you've taken the fat out.
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And,
cholesterol is called a fat.
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It's a kind of fat but
it's a very special kind of fat
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And, in fact, it is not all
removed with making skim milk
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There are, I believe
it's 5 mg approximately
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in an average cup of skim milk.
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Now if you use
powdered skim milk,
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you're in a worse
problem because the very process
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of evaporating and having
using all that air to make
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powdered skim milk,
oxidizes whatever cholesterol
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was there and
makes it more damaging.
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So if you take a powder
and make a glass of milk,
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and you feel
really good about it,
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because, you know,
it's been skimmed...
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It's called "fat-free" Yes...
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Then you feel good about
it, but that little bit that is
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left, is quite
damaging. Absolutely.
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Now one other aspect of this
problem that we should mention
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is that people will,
therefore, try to avoid fat
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in animal products...
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You've probably heard of this.
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You know, hunting for
lean meat... and so on.
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One thing that I think
is not generally realized...
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And I believe it's not
even generally realized
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in the nutrition and medical
community is some research
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...some very careful research
that we done at Loma Linda
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quite a few years ago
which pointed out... proved
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that animal products...
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Well, let's be specific
in what the research was...
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They used milk.
Milk from cows...
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Compared its effect on the
blood cholesterol of animals
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with other animals
that got soymilk...
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And the interesting thing was...
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The ones that received
the cow's milk, which was
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completely defatted...
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Now this time, I believe they
took out all the cholesterol
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as well as all the fat,
so it was not only skim milk,
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it was TOTALLY
fat-free and cholesterol-free.
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Nevertheless, those animals
had a rise in the cholesterol
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in blood; whereas, the
ones that took the soymilk
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had a drop in the cholesterol.
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Very interesting... It is!
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And the only way that the
researcher could explain this,
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and I think it's the
only way to explain it...
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is that the protein...
perhaps something else but
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main ingredient of milk,
aside from the fat would be
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the protein... animal protein
raises blood cholesterol.
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Well that would make sense
because, certainly with milk,
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our Great Divine Designer
created that milk to make
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little animals grow, so
it has a growth factor in it
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and the growth factor would
make the growth of anything
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that might be either normal,
or abnormal in the body...
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that growth factor could cause
the interior of a blood vessel
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to grow and that would
make it more susceptible
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to getting the
cholesterol deposited in it
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in the first place... Right.
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At this point, since there are
so many things that one could
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say about
cholesterol and its fractions...
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People have heard
of HDL, LDL, and so on,
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and some of the issues
that we're already discussing
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about saturated and unsaturated
fat and cholesterol...
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The picture can, sometimes,
get a little bit muddy...
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And people wonder, well what's
the underlying story here...
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And, as you look
closely at it, the bottom line,
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is that we really need
to avoid animal products
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In other words, that rule
of eating that God gave back
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in the Garden of Eden, you
just can't do better than that,
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which is "of all these trees,
and of the plants bearing seed
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...these will be your food. "
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Take your food from the
plants that God has made for us
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and that will certainly
be the very best thing.
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Now if a person has a buildup on
the inside of the blood vessels
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of this cholesterol
and other fatty deposits,
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and has a heart
attack, is there something that
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THAT person... already
damaged by his heart attack...
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Is there more to lifestyle than
diet that would help the person
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with avoiding a coronary
artery attack in the future?
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There is something
further that one could say...
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I just feel like the
FIRST part about diet is so
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central... more
important than anything further
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that we could say, that it
needs tremendous emphasis...
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No person can avoid a change
in diet... even those who are
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on a relatively good diet
usually need some changes,
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Correct... Or some
adjustments of some kind.
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And that little bit of animal
product that people are using,
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even looking in ingredients
and seeing... is there
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a very small amount of
the milk product being used.
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It really is worthwhile to track
that down and get rid of it.
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Just remember this
point, the underlying culprit
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is the cholesterol.
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There is no cholesterol
in ANY of the plant products.
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But going beyond then...
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Yes, there are things we can do.
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We should, perhaps,
put up on the board..
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the good cholesterol fraction
that actually helps to clear out
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some of this debris, so
I'll put the term up here...
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"High density lipoprotein"
HDL... that many people nowadays
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are seeing on their lab reports.
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So this is one
part of the cholesterol.
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In most lab reports about
this, you'll have one line
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that will be the
total cholesterol
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I'll just abbreviate T.
Chol... total cholesterol
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and another line will give you
the good cholesterol... the HDL
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that actually
helps clear out plaques.
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Well, clearly one wants to
lower the total cholesterol,
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that's become clear... over
many years, decades of study
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But we want to raise
the HDL as high as we can.
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And one product that
helps us that way is garlic.
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It takes a fair bit of use.
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It won't just happen overnight
or even in the first week or 2.
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Several months
probably... Several months!
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A study that I saw
by Dr. Benjamin Lau,
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I believe that was
done at Loma Linda...
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He showed that it was past
3 months before you got this
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favorable change.
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Now, one of the
surprising things to think about
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that at first when a
person starts dissolving these
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plaques... these
deposits of cholesterol,
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the first place they're
going to go is into the blood.
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And so if the blood cholesterol
level stays a little high,
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at least at
first... It's not surprising
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and you might be doing
just what's needed... Yes.
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In fact, that may be the very
sign that you're looking for...
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That the cholesterol is
coming out of the plaques,
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and, of course, has to be
dealt with through the blood...
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and goes back to the liver.
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And you know, another thing that
will raise the HDL is exercise.
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I'm glad you mentioned that.
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In fact, those are really the 2
big things, garlic and exercise
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and perhaps exercise
is the most important.
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And you can get some benefit
from regularity in your schedule
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...going to bed on
time and getting up on time,
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and also, you can get some
benefit by being out in the
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sunshine and I think
doing purposeful labor!
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I believe that when a person
has that little bit of coercion
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that comes from a job
that needs to be done,
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and not just ordinary
calisthenics or things like
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running or walking but
some purposeful labor that
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carries with it
that little urgency...
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Got to weed the garden
today, or I've got to clear out
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this area.
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That helps a lot, I think,
and the sense of job well done
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I think that
improves the HDL as well.
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You know, you
mentioned sunlight? Um hm.
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And it's an amazing thing how
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the Lord makes
things work together.
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Sunlight changes cholesterol
deposited in the skin
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into vitamin D. Yes...
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Just what we need for our bones
and lowers our cholesterol level
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to more favorable levels.
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We couldn't have
been made better.
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There's no improvement possible.
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I'd like to speak, just a
little bit, about such things as
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fiber to make the LDL go down.
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Do you know
anything special about that?
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YES! The fiber that's
in food, of course, is the
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part of food that
is not broken down
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and does not
enter the bloodstream.
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Instead, it stays
right in the intestines.
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And fiber, binds to bile salts,
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and bile salts, are
interconverted all the time
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with cholesterol.
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And when the fiber binds those,
it carries them out of the body
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Now if a person is
not eating much fiber,
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those bile salts, are
reabsorbed by the intestine
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and used again and helping
to keep that cholesterol pool
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filled high.
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When you eat a lot of fiber,
it takes those bile salts,
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carries them out, and
you don't have an easy
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replenished
supply of cholesterol.
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So that helps...
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If you simply eat a lot
of fiber, that helps the
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cholesterol to
go out of your body,
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lowers your blood cholesterol.
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What about the drugs that are
used to lower the cholesterol?
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Is your experience
a good one with those?
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I have tried to stay
totally with means that don't
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include drugs
because the diet treatment
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is SO successful.
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I'm just
reemphasizing this point again
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since we were
talking about fiber...
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One should say,
again, What foods have fiber?
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You look at every animal
food, eggs, dairy, meat...
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even though meat looks like
it has fiber, it has nothing
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that has fiber in
the nutritional sense.
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It has fibrous tissue...
Yes which is tough but it is not
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fiber... it is a protein
and fiber is a carbohydrate...
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Right... only
in the plant foods,
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animal foods have no fiber.
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And when we look at the
plant foods, by contrast,
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as long as they're the
way they came in nature,
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the way the Creator made
them, every plant food...
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fruits, vegetables,
grains, and even nuts...
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the people blame
for being so fatty...
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In fact, all
nuts have some fiber.
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ALL those foods that are
plant in origin have fiber.
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Do the drugs to
lower cholesterol have a
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down side to them?
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Is there anything
that might be harmful
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to the body from taking them?
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Well, there definitely can be.
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In fact, they
interfere with liver functions
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that are involved with producing
and working with cholesterol.
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So the liver actually takes
a bit of a beating with the
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drugs for lowering the
cholesterol... Correct.
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It damages the liver and makes
it so that it cannot do its
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functioning well.
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You, I know, have had some
experience with charcoal...
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Yes, we've used
charcoal in the treatment of
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high blood
cholesterol rather successfully.
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I know a woman whose
blood cholesterol was over 220
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and she had fought really
diligently to bring it down
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and we had tried
almost everything...
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and FINALLY we
encouraged her to take
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a heaping tablespoonful
of charcoal 4 times a day...
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And within about 3
months, her cholesterol
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had come down some...
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So we were very
encouraged and we had her
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to go another 3 months and
it had come down even further.
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And, within
about a year, or less,
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maybe it was about 8 months...
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she was down to about 160.
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And so we were very
much encouraged with that.
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There's another
thing that I like a lot...
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in the treatment of people
with any kind of heart problem
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or artery problem, or
for that matter, any kind of
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internal organ
problem and that is CoQ-10
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Coenzyme Q-10 which
can be purchased at any
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department store, or any
pharmacy like Wal-Mart, or
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any other pharmacy.
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You can get the
CoQ-10 which is a nourishing
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substance for the heart.
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It's a natural substance
and nourishes the heart and
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makes it strong.
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So, I like that also
and like to work with that.
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You know, there is a
whole new aspect of this problem
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of plugging arteries that's
coming out in the last decade
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or so that might be
worth mentioning... Yes
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And that is, it's no
longer an exclusive focus on the
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mechanical blocking of arteries.
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There's been a lot of interest
in the issue of inflammation
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being involved... Oh yes
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Now this is quite
related to the point about
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oxidized
cholesterol, oxidized LDL
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that apparently
it's inflammation that is
00:22:39.92\00:22:44.78
part of this... the wall and
the oxidized LDL take part in
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inflammatory reaction.
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It brings in many white blood
cells which then try to consume
00:22:51.51\00:22:57.87
the bad products...
the cholesterol and so on,
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and become known as foam cells.
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Well this whole problem of
inflammation is one aspect,
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then there's another one which
is coagulation that happens
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often and that's the final event
that leads to total blockage.
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Is there time to show
just a little bit on the
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board that way... Yes, sure.
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Yes, I'm very interested
in this matter of inflammation
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and of coagulation because
that's so important to us
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The whole process would sort
of fall down if that weren't
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a part of the
features of it ... Ah ha
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I'm going to draw a
lesion here in a way that makes
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it a little more obvious.
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You've got a mound of
deposit here in the artery wall
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which is our deposit
of cholesterol and debris
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and as that has
formed, the body reacts.
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We said there was
inflammation there...
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Wherever there's inflammation,
the body tries to heal
00:24:04.44\00:24:07.40
this problem...
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In fact you can say inflammation
is the healing response...
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And so it tries to put a
covering and does succeed
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in putting a covering over this.
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I don't know if that is...
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It sort of grows a new
lining over it, doesn't it?
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It does, it's a lining that
really is, I think, an attempt
00:24:25.31\00:24:29.08
to reestablish the normal
lining that the blood vessel has
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This is very important because
the endothelium, the lining
00:24:33.56\00:24:38.37
of the blood vessel,
does not cause clotting.
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And of course,
clotting would be a disaster.
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Now, something can
happen for some reason,
00:24:43.69\00:24:48.61
perhaps a new inflammatory
process with more LDL
00:24:48.64\00:24:52.58
In any case, you can get
a break in this lining that
00:24:52.61\00:25:00.73
has reestablished and this
really is a serious problem
00:25:00.76\00:25:04.46
because this tissue, the
cholesterol and debris that was
00:25:04.49\00:25:09.61
there, does tend
to form a clot...
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And so now, we get
clot-forming materials that will
00:25:12.11\00:25:20.42
deposit and clots tend
to grow... we all know that
00:25:20.45\00:25:24.66
in medicine...
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And this often is the
final catastrophic event
00:25:25.72\00:25:30.07
that completely
blocks the blood vessel.
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And I have seen, in microscopic
sections, cross sections of this
00:25:32.90\00:25:37.38
I've seen the foam cells
in here that you mentioned
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which are the inflammatory
cells trying to help it and
00:25:40.02\00:25:43.83
the clot, and sort of an
ulceration of this plaque
00:25:43.86\00:25:48.20
that once it has ulcerated,
then you've got debris
00:25:48.23\00:25:53.50
floating around in the
bloodstream which makes
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more than a small
problem for the blood vessels
00:25:56.24\00:26:00.45
that are downstream from it.
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Well, one of the standard
things for treating this
00:26:03.25\00:26:06.50
is aspirin.
00:26:06.53\00:26:07.68
Aspirin is an anticoagulant.
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It does stop clots to a
certain extent from forming.
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On the other hand, it
has a downside to it though.
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And I think many people
know of stomach problems
00:26:19.67\00:26:24.53
resulting from aspirin.
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A way that we could be involved
with it in a very simple way,
00:26:26.19\00:26:32.09
avoiding, preventing
this from happening...
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Even when a person already
has deposits, lesions like this
00:26:34.84\00:26:39.43
in their arteries,
there are some very simple,
00:26:39.46\00:26:42.35
gentle anticoagulants
that could be used...
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And one of those is garlic.
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Garlic and also
grape juice. That's right!
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Five to 8 ounces of grape
juice a day is a very good
00:26:48.20\00:26:52.24
anticoagulant and is
better, actually, than aspirin
00:26:52.25\00:26:56.28
in some tests that I
have seen reported.. Really?
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It's an interesting thing
also that the dentists have been
00:26:59.21\00:27:03.23
saying for a long time this...
that you were saying about
00:27:03.26\00:27:05.57
the inflammation... Um hm.
00:27:05.60\00:27:07.21
Infected teeth are often
a big problem to cause this
00:27:07.24\00:27:12.05
inflammatory response
in the body, or anyplace
00:27:12.08\00:27:15.28
that we have some chronic
infectious or inflammatory
00:27:15.29\00:27:19.30
problem going on in the body.
00:27:19.33\00:27:21.23
That can be a source of
the inflammatory products
00:27:21.26\00:27:25.33
that get into the bloodstream
and then make all of this
00:27:25.36\00:27:29.39
process of the foam cells,
the white blood cells that
00:27:29.42\00:27:34.74
take up fat and cholesterol
and then, under the microscope
00:27:34.77\00:27:41.34
we see them as big
foamy cells that deposit there
00:27:41.37\00:27:45.18
in the arteries.
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So, I hope that you see
that there are some very
00:27:47.30\00:27:50.07
practical aspects of
this thing of the heart
00:27:50.08\00:27:53.38
and you can act accordingly.
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