Participants: Agatha Thrash, Don Miller
Series Code: HYTH
Program Code: HYTH000148
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00:01 We have several epidemics in our day of degenerative diseases
00:05 ...they seem to be related. 00:08 We're going to be talking about these... such things as 00:11 diabetes in the next half an hour 00:14 and we'd be happy if you joined us. 00:16 I'm Agatha Thrash, a staff physician at 00:19 Uchee Pines Institute in Alabama. 00:42 Welcome to "Help Yourself to Health" 00:44 with Dr. Agatha Thrash of Uchee Pines Institute... 00:47 and now, here's your host, Dr. Thrash. 00:52 When we talk of diabetes, everybody always thinks of sugar 00:57 and well that they should 00:58 because excessive sugar is a problem for people who 01:02 have diabetes. 01:04 But just as much a problem as sugar, is that of fat. 01:08 So, we need to talk about fat as well. 01:11 Now fats can come in the form of margarine, and mayonnaise, 01:14 fried foods, cooking fats, salad oils... 01:17 all of these are free fats or visible fats 01:20 and any of these can be a problem to the diabetic 01:23 especially if the diabetic is overweight 01:25 and with type 2 diabetes, that is a very frequent finding. 01:29 Now I have asked Valerie Schreiber, 01:31 who is one of my colleagues at Uchee Pines 01:34 to help me in demonstrating some things about foods 01:38 and my granddaughter Melissa Thrash, 01:41 who will also help to demonstrate some things 01:43 about foods. 01:44 And we would like to show you some things about these two 01:48 troublesome areas... fats and sugars... 01:52 and of course, we could spend quite a long time... 01:54 we could spend the rest of the day just giving you recipes. 01:58 But, two very simple things and one is nut butter 02:02 and the other is a dessert. 02:04 So, Valerie Schreiber will talk with you about nut butters. 02:09 Thank you, Dr. Agatha. 02:10 I'd like to share with you how you can make very good 02:13 nut butter out of almonds 02:15 And much more inexpensive than you can go to the health food 02:19 store or your regular grocery store and buy nut butters 02:22 They can be quite expensive... 02:24 especially the almonds and the pecans 02:27 But what you can do at home is you can buy a bag of almonds 02:32 and take your almonds and put them on a loaf pan in the oven 02:39 about 250 degrees for about 2 hours 02:43 or a little bit more 02:44 and you can test them at that time and it will toast them 02:47 just right... 02:49 And then, all you have to do, is if you have a Champion Juicer, 02:53 is just put them through the Champion Juicer 02:55 And you can watch me, in just a moment, 02:57 just how I'm going to do this. 03:03 Go ahead and put some nuts in... 03:08 Wow, that comes right out as nut butter... I'm amazed! 03:14 Yes, it looks just like peanut butter. 03:21 It's just that simple... as you can see. 03:24 It makes beautiful butter 03:25 and right over here, I have made an almond butter pie. 03:30 And, it is absolutely delicious. 03:33 It's made with tofu and some almond butter. 03:36 My... that is beautiful. 03:39 Is it frozen? ... It's frozen. 03:41 Ah ha... You freeze it and then you eat it frozen. 03:44 Just like you would a peanut butter pie. 03:46 Same as peanut butter pie... This is the almond butter pie. 03:49 This is beautiful and it's tasty and it's also healthful. 03:55 So we can be very happy for almond butter pie. 03:59 YES! And then we can put a dip of banana ice cream on it. 04:03 Ohhh... a dip of banana ice cream on it... 04:05 Now a diabetic can eat this? 04:07 Yes, a diabetic can eat this 04:08 because of the tofu that is in it will cause the blood sugar 04:12 not to rise as rapidly and because of the nuts 04:15 that are in it, will not rise as rapidly. 04:17 Very good... and that means then the glycemic index will not be 04:21 so high and we will talk a little bit later about 04:23 the glycemic index and what that means. 04:26 Now, we have here something else that is very interesting 04:32 and important and that is a sugar substitute. 04:36 Now, in the same Champion Juicer that we have used to make the 04:42 almond butter... now we can make banana ice cream. 04:47 It's a hands-down favorite in our home to have 04:50 this kind of dessert. 04:53 In fact, we can make a whole meal of this kind of dessert. 04:57 What do you have here, Melissa? 04:58 I had just frozen these bananas overnight and 05:03 I did it in a ziplock freezer bag. 05:07 You can do it to anything other than bananas, 05:09 berries work very well too. 05:13 I'm just going to run them through the Champion Juicer 05:15 and we're going to get the butter out. 05:18 And actually, I like to have the butter... the almond butter 05:22 I like to have that in my ice cream... 05:24 As soon as it's all though, then I just sort of mix 05:28 it up nicely and it's really quite good. 05:33 Ahhh... there come the bananas now 05:42 Now the bananas go through very quickly and you can 05:49 see it's beginning to look like 05:50 banana ice cream now. 05:51 It actually looks like vanilla ice cream 05:54 and with the almond butter in it, we call it 05:57 almond butter ice cream. 06:00 This would be good for diabetics because bananas happen to 06:04 be high in sugar, so mixed with some 06:09 almonds would be good! 06:10 Yes, okay... that's a very good illustration. 06:16 My! That looks just like vanilla ice cream. 06:20 And having had a good bit of experience with it, 06:23 I know it tastes like ice cream too. 06:25 It tastes delicious! 06:27 Can you do anything else with this other than 06:29 just put it through plain? 06:31 Yes, actually I have made it into a dessert. 06:34 Oh yes... banana split! 06:38 Oh that eaten with a cracker or a cookie 06:41 would be quite satisfying for a diabetic... Sure. 06:45 Can you make any other ice cream besides banana? 06:50 Yes, you can use berries and mangos and peaches 06:55 and anything else that you would freeze overnight 06:58 in the freezer. 06:59 And diabetics can use all of those... 07:01 Actually, some diabetics are extremely sensitive to 07:07 some fruits... 07:08 But fruits like strawberries and blueberries and 07:12 most kinds of berries... blackberries, 07:14 most diabetics can eat those very well and they can be 07:18 mixed with a little banana ice cream which makes them creamy 07:22 Bananas work up creamy with a juicer better than any others 07:27 but it's only the Champion Juicer that will make this 07:29 kind of creamy ice cream. 07:31 So you'll want to use that kind of fruit as part of the base. 07:37 But you can put in a little bit of banana, 07:40 then some strawberries, 07:41 a little bit more banana, then some more strawberries 07:44 and you can have strawberry ice cream. 07:46 And this is very nice and most diabetics can eat it very well. 07:49 In fact, most diabetics can even eat this, but it depends on 07:54 the severity and the sensitivity that the diabetic has. 07:59 Now with blueberries, it's exactly the same thing... 08:02 a little bit of banana, then some blueberries, 08:04 a little more banana and a little more blueberries and 08:06 is a beautiful blue color and is really quite delightful. 08:11 I hope this little illustration has been of help to you 08:15 so that you can understand that not everything about 08:20 delicious food has to be unhealthful. 08:23 But we can have some very healthful things that are 08:29 easy to make and that give us a lot of nutrients 08:34 and do not cause the diabetic to have a violation of their 08:39 general principles. 08:41 Now diabetes is of 2 general types... 08:46 the type 1 and the type 2. 08:49 We used to call the type 1, the juvenile diabetes, 08:53 and the type 2, the adult-onset diabetes. 08:56 And we can still do that but you will find that if you 09:01 classify them in the 2 different varieties, 09:04 that it makes it easier for you to know how to treat it. 09:08 Now my husband and I wrote a book a couple of years ago 09:12 called "Diabetes and the Hypoglycemic Syndrome" 09:15 In this book, we tried to gather everything from all 09:19 over the world... every remedy that we could think of 09:22 that would be helpful for a diabetic, 09:24 every practice that they could use that would 09:27 help them with their diabetes, 09:28 and put it all in one book... 09:30 and that is this book, "Diabetes and the Hypoglycemic Syndrome" 09:35 And, as you read through this, you will find some very 09:39 helpful things... whether you're a type 1 or a type 2 diabetic 09:44 We have written all those things that are written for type 2 09:48 diabetics can also help those that have type 1 diabetes 09:52 not to have the complications of diabetes to accelerate. 09:57 We should think of diabetes as accelerated aging... 10:02 because essentially that is what it is. 10:04 It is a degenerative disease related to other degenerative 10:09 diseases in a syndrome called "syndrome X" 10:13 Syndrome X... because of too much insulin, 10:17 is characterized by, not only diabetes, but also hypertension 10:22 heart disease that's with a high LDL 10:26 and a low HDL. 10:28 So the bad cholesterol is up, the good cholesterol is down 10:32 in syndrome X... 10:34 And then also cancer and overweight... 10:38 these are also difficulties that people have 10:42 who have syndrome X. 10:45 Now with the type 1 diabetic, or the juvenile diabetic, 10:49 it often comes on rather suddenly... 10:51 in fact, it may be almost EXPLOSIVE. 10:54 They may have a little bit of warning but then 10:59 when the diabetes really comes on rather quickly, 11:02 they may get sick and even prostrate very quickly. 11:08 So adults need to be aware that small children even 11:13 can have a serious problem there. 11:16 A friend of mine, a pediatrician, went with his wife 11:21 on a small trip... they were planning to be gone only 11:28 4 days... 11:29 They left an aunt in charge of their 2 small children; 11:32 one was 3 years old and the other 5. 11:34 The 3-year-old was not feeling very well when they left home 11:38 In fact, for a day or so, he'd just been a little, 11:40 what they thought was just puny... 11:43 They lived in Savannah, Georgia 11:45 and it was summertime 11:46 and so they thought, well maybe the heat, he's playing 11:48 too hard in the heat. 11:50 And so when they left, he didn't have an appetite 11:54 ...he would not eat and the aunt encouraged him to eat 11:59 just a little bit which he promptly threw up 12:02 and they had spent one night 12:07 in the motel at the place where they were vacationing 12:10 for those 3 or 4 days when they got a call from their aunt. 12:14 And she said, "John is still not well, in fact, he is worse. 12:20 I think you should come home and see him. " 12:23 Well the doctor said, "No, you're just overly concerned. 12:27 He's going to be all right. " 12:28 So, he allayed her fears, but in a couple of hours, 12:34 she called again... 12:35 Well, she couldn't get in touch with him right away 12:37 so she was persistent, 12:40 and sent someone for them. 12:42 And again, the doctor thought... well, she's just being 12:46 overly concerned. 12:47 So he listened to her on the phone and tried to allay 12:52 her fears but she said, "No, I really want you to 12:55 come home now. " 12:56 So... nothing to do but the two of them to pack and go back home 13:01 So my friend said... that he walked in the door... 13:05 and he sort of had his hands on his hips 13:07 and he said to his aunt... 13:10 "Now show me where this sick boy is. " 13:13 Well he took one look at his son and he said, 13:17 "My son is very ill. " 13:18 So they went directly to the hospital, got a blood sugar, 13:21 found that it was over 400 13:23 and the boy was already in acidosis 13:27 and it was a little bit nip and tuck to get him 13:30 so that he was straightened out again. 13:32 So it CAN BE that a child can get a very sudden onset 13:38 of type 1 diabetes. 13:39 Now there are certain precursors of type 1 diabetes 13:42 and Don Miller, who is my associate at Uchee Pines 13:47 a lifestyle counselor and a health educator 13:51 and he will now talk with you about some of the precursors 13:55 of diabetes type 1. 13:56 Okay Dr. Thrash. 13:58 There are various things that will precurse or 14:01 perhaps lead to diabetes type 1. 14:04 We don't know all the reasons why a person develops type 1. 14:08 Of course we realize that it can be an inherited trait 14:12 that a person receives from a parent and they've got type 1 14:17 diabetes and we can't do much about things that we inherit. 14:20 But there are 4 more factors that they've come up with 14:24 that they theorize are things that may be causing children 14:28 to develop type 1 diabetes. 14:30 One, is a recent infection of some type. 14:33 And because we realize that... 14:36 let me just go back and explain what type 1 is 14:41 a little bit... Dr. Thrash has talked about it... 14:43 but we have in our pancreas... we have some beta cells 14:45 and it's our beta cells that produce the insulin 14:49 which takes the glucose into our cells. 14:52 It's when the beta cells are no longer there, 14:56 or do not produce insulin 14:57 we have type 1 diabetes... 14:59 which means the person is going to be diabetes-dependent 15:03 for the rest of their lives. 15:04 So some type of an infection might harm those beta cells. 15:09 It can also be, and we don't understand all of this, 15:13 but science has showed us a child who goes to daycare 15:17 is more likely to come down with type 1 diabetes 15:21 than the child who does not go to daycare. 15:23 A child who drinks milk, dairy milk, after 9 years of age 15:28 in large quantities has a bigger chance of developing 15:31 type 1 diabetes. 15:33 And really scary is a child before 6 months of age 15:37 who takes in dairy milk, 15:40 has a larger chance of developing type 1 diabetes. 15:44 Now, why might that be? 15:46 Why might it be that taking in dairy products 15:48 would cause us to develop type 1 diabetes? 15:51 Well, there's a reason for this. 15:53 The milk protein is a 17 amino acid peptide chain 15:58 ...that's what it looks like to the body 16:00 and the body recognizes, for the most part, 16:03 that protein to be an enemy. 16:06 And it sends out its immune response to it 16:10 produces cells, antibodies, to that protein 16:16 to try to protect our cells from that. 16:19 Trouble is, down in pancreas street where we have those 16:22 beta cells, the beta cells are made up of a 17 amino acid 16:26 peptide chain very similar to the milk protein. 16:30 And so as these antibodies, produced by the beta cells 16:34 of the immune system, 16:35 are out looking for the antigens which are on the milk proteins, 16:41 they find the beta cells in the pancreas... 16:45 and they attack the beta cells, 16:47 and it's basically an autoimmune disease 16:50 where "auto" means we're fighting ourselves 16:53 and a child that cannot do anything about it 16:56 but is receiving dairy milk which should be fed to a calf 16:59 is now receiving the very thing which is going to destroy 17:03 his beta cells... 17:04 and cause that child, for the rest of his life 17:06 to be an insulin-dependent type 1 diabetic. 17:10 And so, these 5 things, 17:12 some of them, we can do something about. 17:14 And all that we can do, we need to do to protect 17:17 our children from something as terrible 17:19 as type 1 juvenile diabetes, Dr. Thrash. 17:23 One of the things that we know about how to handle 17:27 a diabetic is some understanding of the glycemic index. 17:31 And I'm going to go to the board now 17:33 and draw for you a graph, so that you can see 17:36 just what the glycemic index is. 17:39 And you need to know before that, that there is a certain 17:44 spread of the laboratory tests 17:49 that will help you to know what proper blood glucose is. 17:53 Notice here, that the laboratory gives, as its normals 65 to 109 17:58 But your ideal level is 70 to 85. 18:02 With triglycerides, which is another problem that 18:06 diabetics often have, 18:07 the laboratory will give as its normals 0 to 149. 18:13 But, up to 100 is our ideal. 18:17 And over that, is getting to be too much. 18:20 Creatinine which is a waste product 18:23 filtered by the kidney, 18:25 the laboratory will give you 0.5 to 1.5... 18:30 But I don't like to see the creatinine higher than 1.2 18:34 and especially if it's going up year by year... 18:37 that makes me think that the kidneys are not functioning 18:40 as briskly as they had been. 18:43 Then the uric acid level, 18:45 which is another aspect of all of this syndrome X, 18:49 the uric acid level at 2.4 to 8.2 18:54 that is what the laboratory gives, 18:57 but I don't like to see it any higher than 5. 19:02 So if it's higher than 5, then it may be a problem for you. 19:06 Now, the glycemic index is not what the blood glucose is. 19:11 We say that 70 to 85 is the blood glucose 19:14 but as we look at the board, I will show you 19:18 just what we mean when we say the glycemic index 19:22 because the glycemic index gives us another parameter 19:26 that helps us to control diabetes. 19:29 So let us say that here is the graph... 19:31 and here is your fasting blood sugar, right here... this line. 19:37 So you eat a meal, or you eat a food, 19:41 and that food takes your blood sugar up 19:44 and then brings it back down again. 19:47 Now the glycemic index is the whole area 19:52 of the graph that represents the level that the food goes 19:58 and your fasting level. 20:00 So lets say that this food is nuts 20:03 and that this food is white sugar. 20:07 Now the level will come back down the same 20:10 but it has gone up quite a lot 20:12 and, in fact, it may even come down quicker 20:14 but since it has gone up a lot, it has a lot greater area 20:19 under the curve, than a nut would have. 20:24 And you may get the same nourishment from them 20:26 both so far as the energy that you get. 20:28 But, you do not have the same influence on your body. 20:34 So, the glycemic index is one thing that we want to study. 20:38 And, Valerie Schreiber is going to help me show you some foods 20:43 that have a low or a high glycemic index. 20:48 So Valerie, what can you tell us here about these foods 20:51 that you have? 20:52 Well, I'm first going to show you the different foods that are 20:56 high and the foods that are low 20:58 on the glycemic index 20:59 and it's simply a marker, 21:01 telling us, as Dr. Agatha said, 21:02 how fast our sugar goes up, according to what foods 21:06 we eat and some of them are quite surprising as to 21:10 the ones that will do that to us... 21:12 and an example is potato, as I have right here. 21:17 It is high on the glycemic index 21:20 so is corn and so are carrots. 21:23 Now does that mean that, oh.. I can't ever have a potato, 21:27 or a carrot or an ear of corn again? 21:28 No, it doesn't mean that, 21:30 but it means that if you're going to eat these vegetables, 21:32 then you have to figure out a food that would be high fiber 21:36 so that it will slow the rise in your blood sugar 21:41 and so you don't want to eat a whole meal of foods that are 21:45 going to cause your blood sugar to go, very quickly, up... 21:49 You want to eat foods that will cause it to go slower 21:52 and so, those are your high fiber foods. 21:55 And God has given us that in His vegetable kingdom as well. 21:59 So now what you would want to do is... 22:01 Let's say... oh, I want a corn on the cob 22:05 or I want a baked potato. 22:06 How you would do that is, you would go ahead and 22:09 have yourself like a spinach salad 22:11 or, you know, a good salad that would have broccoli, 22:14 cauliflower in it. 22:15 And/or, you can take some lentils or soy 22:21 and both of these are very low on the glycemic index 22:24 And so you could make burgers, loaves... 22:28 all sorts of things you can make out of soy 22:30 Soy is extremely low on it and so beneficial for 22:33 many other things for our body as well 22:35 And, lentils are extremely tasty. 22:37 And so you could have this and a nice salad 22:41 and then you could go ahead and have your ear of corn, 22:44 or your baked potato. 22:46 And it would be quite permissible to do that. 22:49 Now another area to consider on the glycemic index 22:53 is bread. 22:54 And, unfortunately, even in the whole grain breads, 22:58 it will tend to rise it a little swifter. 23:01 So, if you want to eat bread, 23:04 you would do the same thing that I explained 23:05 to you just a minute ago. 23:06 You would go ahead and have a good salad with LOTS of fiber. 23:09 And/or a good legume like pintos or something with soy... 23:16 Tofu would be another good one. 23:17 But another good substitute for bread would be Wasa. 23:23 That is very high in fiber... and this is rye 23:25 and it's very high in fiber and very low in the glycemic index. 23:29 So you could alternate having bread and then have Wasa 23:33 at another time, so that you could still enjoy having 23:36 something either crunchy or kind of bready. 23:38 What if you put the almond butter that you previously 23:42 made on the bread? Yes... 23:43 Now you can go ahead and put almond butter on here 23:45 and that would slow it... 23:47 And so you could go ahead and have your almond butter on 23:51 your bread and it would be permissible to eat that. 23:53 Now another thing is... 23:55 You know, people love pancakes and waffles. 23:57 Well, the standard pancake mixes and waffles are 23:59 very questionable... 24:00 and they will go ahead and shoot her sugar up high. 24:04 So, the BEST ones to get... 24:06 and I'm telling you, they make best waffles and 24:08 pancakes you ever ate... 24:09 happens to be buckwheat flour and soy flour. 24:12 And what's so nice about soy flour is that 24:16 it acts like a leavening in there. 24:17 It will rise them up and make them nice and fluffy and soft. 24:20 And you can make the BEST pancakes, 24:22 and you can make the BEST waffles out of soy flour. 24:26 So then you don't have to use baking soda or baking powder? 24:28 No, you do not have to use it. 24:29 The soy just puffs them up a little bit. 24:33 The soy just puffs them up and makes them nice and fluffy. 24:35 And the steam from your waffle iron does the rest? 24:37 Oh yes! And they are delicious 24:40 and they don't affect the... 24:41 makes me hungry just to think of it... I know it! I know... 24:43 it does me too! 24:44 And we'll have some banana ice cream on that waffle? 24:47 You could have banana ice cream on that waffle! 24:49 Yes! You could have banana ice cream on that waffle and put 24:51 some strawberries on top and you would be just fine. 24:57 Fiber, as we said a few minutes ago, does slow 25:01 the glycemic index. 25:03 Another thing, that eating a large meal 25:05 will rise your sugar, your glycemic index, 25:08 so it's important that if you're having problems with diabetes, 25:12 that you want to eat smaller meals. 25:13 Now this doesn't mean, okay I can eat 6 meals a day. 25:15 No... it means the regular meals that you're eating 25:18 whether it be 2 or 3, 25:19 you eat smaller meals. 25:20 And then you will find that your sugar level will not rise 25:24 as rapidly. 25:25 So... so those are very good things to know about 25:30 the glycemic index... 25:32 and how we can handle this 25:33 and how we can make it so that even though 25:37 we may eat something that has a pretty high glycemic index 25:41 If we manage our diet in just the right way, 25:44 then we are going to be able take care of things well. 25:48 Now type 1 diabetes is never handled with a fast. 25:54 But type 2 diabetes can very properly be handled with a fast. 25:58 In fact, that's one of the standard treatments 26:01 that we use for that. 26:02 And I would like to tell you just a little bit about 26:06 some of the experiences that we have had with fasting. 26:09 We have had many people who have some to Uchee Pines 26:12 type 2 diabetics, who are on 70 or 80 or 90 units of insulin. 26:18 We give them a fast, and of course, they don't take insulin, 26:21 they don't take food during that time. 26:23 They only take water and clear herb teas. 26:27 And as they take these, when we finish with the fast, 26:33 sometimes that's 2 days, sometimes it's 3 days, 26:36 sometimes it may be up to 5 days that we will 26:39 have the person to fast. 26:40 But as soon as they come off the fast, 26:42 we may find that their insulin requirements have halved. 26:46 So that we are no longer using 70 or 80 or 90 units. 26:49 But now we may be using 20 or 30 or 40 26:53 for that individual. 26:55 And as we continue to help them to lose weight, 26:58 and to exercise more... 27:00 As we do these things, then the person slowly 27:04 gets off insulin. 27:06 Once in a while, we'll have a person who has a lot of the 27:10 oral antidiabetic agents that they are using 27:12 and we need to have them take a fast too. 27:17 For these individuals, if they come to our center, 27:20 then we can easily fast them 4 or 5 days 27:23 when they're right under our care. 27:25 But, if they're at home, then we tell the person 27:28 not to fast more than a day or two per week. 27:31 So they can fast on Monday, 27:33 and then they can fast again, perhaps, on Thursday. 27:36 And again, the person who is on these agents 27:40 can usually stop taking them gradually as they 27:44 get better in control of themselves. 27:46 I hope that your understanding of diabetes has been increased, 27:51 and that you will improve 27:53 your glycemic index. |
Revised 2014-12-17