Hell. Is it real? 00:00:09.20\00:00:11.37 Is it place far under the ground somewhere? 00:00:11.41\00:00:14.71 And is it burning now? 00:00:14.74\00:00:16.48 That's our fiery topic on His Voice Today. 00:00:16.51\00:00:19.85 Welcome to another His Voice Today 00:00:23.35\00:00:25.85 with Steve Wohlberg. 00:00:25.89\00:00:27.96 Welcome to the hot topic of hell part 1. 00:00:31.36\00:00:34.56 It was a Sunday night, November 23rd 1998. 00:00:34.60\00:00:38.47 Southern California realtor Bill Weise 00:00:38.50\00:00:40.90 and his wife had been to prayer meeting, 00:00:40.94\00:00:43.24 and then they went to bed somewhere around 11 o'clock. 00:00:43.27\00:00:46.74 At 3 a.m. Bill had a frightening experience. 00:00:46.78\00:00:51.48 In his words as he describes it apparently, 00:00:51.51\00:00:54.12 he was taken in some kind of a vision, 00:00:54.15\00:00:56.72 he was picked up out of his body 00:00:56.75\00:00:58.85 and he was taken to a place called hell, 00:00:58.89\00:01:02.86 and he saw just incredibly scary things. 00:01:02.89\00:01:06.96 His vision lasted for 23 minutes 00:01:07.00\00:01:09.83 and at exactly 3:23, he came out of his vision 00:01:09.86\00:01:13.84 and he just was screaming in the living room 00:01:13.87\00:01:16.50 and his wife woke up looked at the clock, 00:01:16.54\00:01:18.51 saw that it was exactly 3:23, went into the living room 00:01:18.54\00:01:21.94 and found him screaming and crying. 00:01:21.98\00:01:25.21 And when he regained his sanity he told her the story 00:01:25.25\00:01:31.22 of what had happened and how he had been to hell 00:01:31.25\00:01:33.79 for 23 minutes, and that Jesus had shown him 00:01:33.82\00:01:36.76 just a whole host of frightening things. 00:01:36.79\00:01:39.46 It wasn't long until Bill was invited to give his testimony 00:01:39.49\00:01:43.47 in different churches, then he went on the radio, 00:01:43.50\00:01:45.87 he went on television, eventually near 2006, 00:01:45.90\00:01:49.50 his book was published and it went to the top 00:01:49.54\00:01:51.71 of the New York Times best seller list, 00:01:51.74\00:01:54.81 describing his experience of 23 minutes in hell. 00:01:54.84\00:01:58.71 The back cover of the book has this to say, 00:01:58.75\00:02:02.65 "Bill Weise saw the searing flames of hell. 00:02:02.68\00:02:06.52 He felt total isolation an experienced the putrid 00:02:06.55\00:02:09.96 and rotting stench, deafening screams of agonizing, 00:02:09.99\00:02:15.86 terrorizing demons 00:02:15.90\00:02:18.07 and finally the strong hand of God lifting out of the pit. 00:02:18.10\00:02:23.04 And then he heard a voice apparently from Jesus 00:02:23.07\00:02:25.47 that said, tell them that I am coming very, very soon." 00:02:25.51\00:02:30.51 There's a whole lot of people that have read this book, 00:02:30.55\00:02:32.58 they've watched his testimony on YouTube, 00:02:32.61\00:02:34.65 and they've heard him in person. 00:02:34.68\00:02:36.99 And you know, I should think about that 00:02:37.02\00:02:39.19 and you would just try to make sense of his experience, 00:02:39.22\00:02:42.26 we really have one of two options, 00:02:42.29\00:02:45.09 at least major options 00:02:45.13\00:02:46.76 and one is that God gave him this vision, 00:02:46.80\00:02:49.96 this out of body experience to teach us 00:02:50.00\00:02:52.53 the truth about hell, and to direct us to the Bible. 00:02:52.57\00:02:57.37 The other option 00:02:57.41\00:02:58.74 which lot of people don't often think about is that, 00:02:58.77\00:03:02.11 this supernatural experience could have from the dark side. 00:03:02.14\00:03:06.01 It could have come from Satan 00:03:06.05\00:03:08.02 to lead us astray from Bible truth. 00:03:08.05\00:03:10.95 So we are here in His Voice Today 00:03:10.99\00:03:15.32 to examine what God's voice really says from the Bible? 00:03:15.36\00:03:19.86 What is the truth about the subject? 00:03:19.89\00:03:22.40 By his grace we are going to find out. 00:03:22.43\00:03:26.37 So if you have a Bible, 00:03:26.40\00:03:28.04 I invite you to follow along with me 00:03:28.07\00:03:31.07 and let's take a close look at many different Bible verses 00:03:31.11\00:03:34.78 and try to make sense 00:03:34.81\00:03:36.14 at what the Bible actually says about hell. 00:03:36.18\00:03:39.25 The first text we're gonna look at is in Matthew 23, 00:03:39.28\00:03:44.05 a correction that's Matthew 13. 00:03:44.09\00:03:46.45 Matthew 13 gives a series of stories and parables 00:03:46.49\00:03:50.96 that Jesus Christ told when He was here on earth, 00:03:50.99\00:03:54.90 and one of these stories described and explained 00:03:54.93\00:03:59.50 in verses 37 to 43 00:03:59.53\00:04:04.17 is a story where Jesus told about a farmer 00:04:04.21\00:04:08.24 and about a field and about a harvest. 00:04:08.28\00:04:10.91 His disciples asked Him to explain this parable 00:04:10.95\00:04:13.72 and so Jesus did. 00:04:13.75\00:04:15.58 And we can find his explanation going on in verses 37 to 43. 00:04:15.62\00:04:22.59 And in verse 37, Jesus answered and told his disciples. 00:04:22.62\00:04:25.79 "He said, he who sows the good seed 00:04:25.83\00:04:28.20 is the Son of Man," 00:04:28.23\00:04:29.63 representing Himself, He is the farmer. 00:04:29.66\00:04:31.73 The field is the world, 00:04:31.77\00:04:34.20 the good seed are the children of the kingdom, 00:04:34.24\00:04:37.41 and the weeds are the children of the wicked one. 00:04:37.44\00:04:41.78 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, 00:04:41.81\00:04:44.55 and the harvest is the end of the world, 00:04:44.58\00:04:47.88 and the reapers are the angels. 00:04:47.92\00:04:50.99 Verse 40, "As therefore the weeds are gathered 00:04:51.02\00:04:54.32 and burned in the fire, 00:04:54.36\00:04:56.73 so shall it be at the end of this world. 00:04:56.76\00:05:00.66 The Son of Man shall send forth His angels, 00:05:00.70\00:05:03.33 and they will gather out of His kingdom 00:05:03.37\00:05:05.03 all things that offend, and them which commit sin, 00:05:05.07\00:05:09.37 and he will cast them into the furnace of fire. 00:05:09.40\00:05:12.41 And there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 00:05:12.44\00:05:15.88 Then shall the righteous shine forth 00:05:15.91\00:05:17.95 as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. 00:05:17.98\00:05:21.22 He who has ears to hear, let him hear!" 00:05:21.25\00:05:24.95 Now I certainly want to hear what Jesus had to say, 00:05:24.99\00:05:28.56 and I believe you do too. 00:05:28.59\00:05:29.92 And as we look at these words carefully, 00:05:29.96\00:05:31.86 there's a number of points I want to make. 00:05:31.89\00:05:35.03 And it seems to me and hopefully it impresses you, 00:05:35.06\00:05:37.90 that as you read these words it's very clear 00:05:37.93\00:05:40.44 that Jesus Christ Himself 00:05:40.47\00:05:42.27 certainly believed in a real fire. 00:05:42.30\00:05:44.14 He talked about furnace of fire, 00:05:44.17\00:05:45.64 He talked about people 00:05:45.67\00:05:47.01 eventually are being thrown into this fire. 00:05:47.04\00:05:48.94 He talked about people wailing and gnashing their teeth 00:05:48.98\00:05:52.55 which represents, some people are crying, 00:05:52.58\00:05:55.35 some people are angry, gnashing the teeth has to do with anger. 00:05:55.38\00:05:58.55 And so Jesus definitely portrayed this 00:05:58.59\00:06:01.42 as something very, very real, 00:06:01.46\00:06:03.16 and I want you to know that I believe this. 00:06:03.19\00:06:05.03 I believe that the Bible is true 00:06:05.06\00:06:07.33 and then what Jesus says is real. 00:06:07.36\00:06:09.96 But now notice something, 00:06:10.00\00:06:11.33 there's something significant in Jesus' explanation 00:06:11.37\00:06:13.80 of the parable in verse 39, He said 00:06:13.84\00:06:16.30 that the "Enemy who sowed the bad seeds is the devil 00:06:16.34\00:06:19.97 and the harvest is the end of the world." 00:06:20.01\00:06:24.11 Notice the end of the world. 00:06:24.15\00:06:26.41 The reapers are the angels 00:06:26.45\00:06:28.18 and as therefore the weeds are gathered 00:06:28.22\00:06:30.15 and burned in the fire, 00:06:30.19\00:06:31.99 so shall it be in the end of this world. 00:06:32.02\00:06:36.09 So putting these pieces together, 00:06:36.12\00:06:39.39 we know that there is a real fire, 00:06:39.43\00:06:41.36 Jesus believed in a fire, I believe in a fire, 00:06:41.40\00:06:43.37 I hope you believe that this is what the Bible says. 00:06:43.40\00:06:46.77 And hopefully you believe that it's true. 00:06:46.80\00:06:49.20 But then the second point is according to Jesus Christ, 00:06:49.24\00:06:51.87 this furnace of fire is something that will happen, 00:06:51.91\00:06:56.08 it's not happening right now, 00:06:56.11\00:06:57.45 but he said it will happen at the end of this world. 00:06:57.48\00:07:02.38 Let me read it again, 00:07:02.42\00:07:04.32 "The harvest is the end of the world, 00:07:04.35\00:07:06.19 the reapers are the angels 00:07:06.22\00:07:07.56 as therefore the weeds are gathered 00:07:07.59\00:07:08.92 and burned in the fire, 00:07:08.96\00:07:10.29 so shall it be in the end of this world." 00:07:10.33\00:07:14.13 So Jesus taught there is a real fire 00:07:14.16\00:07:16.26 but He didn't put it 00:07:16.30\00:07:18.47 as something that is happening right now, 00:07:18.50\00:07:20.37 He put it far down to the very end of time, 00:07:20.40\00:07:24.91 the end of the world. 00:07:24.94\00:07:26.27 Now let's see if there is some another verses 00:07:26.31\00:07:27.64 that keeps the same thing. 00:07:27.68\00:07:29.04 Let's go to 2 Peter 3. 00:07:29.08\00:07:35.02 2 Peter 3 is a chapter 00:07:35.05\00:07:37.45 where Peter describes the end of the world, 00:07:37.49\00:07:39.12 the day of the Lord that will come like a thief in the night. 00:07:39.15\00:07:42.16 He described this in verse 10. 00:07:42.19\00:07:44.79 Peter wrote that "The day of the Lord 00:07:44.83\00:07:46.19 will come like a thief in the night, 00:07:46.23\00:07:47.56 in which the heavens will pass away 00:07:47.60\00:07:49.13 with a great noise, 00:07:49.16\00:07:50.50 and the elements will melt with fervent heat, 00:07:50.53\00:07:53.87 the earth also and the works that are therein 00:07:53.90\00:07:55.94 shall be burned up." 00:07:55.97\00:07:57.44 So in the day of the Lord 00:07:57.47\00:07:59.44 which obviously hasn't happened yet, 00:07:59.47\00:08:01.24 there's going to be a fire, 00:08:01.28\00:08:03.14 there's going to be a great noise, 00:08:03.18\00:08:04.65 there's going to be fervent heat 00:08:04.68\00:08:06.38 and it's going to burn up the earth 00:08:06.41\00:08:09.25 and its wicked works, or at least the wicked works 00:08:09.28\00:08:12.25 that people are doing in the earth. 00:08:12.29\00:08:14.22 Now if you go back to verse 7, 00:08:14.26\00:08:15.62 Peter basically says the same thing, he says, 00:08:15.66\00:08:17.93 "The heavens and the earth, 00:08:17.96\00:08:19.63 and the word heaven doesn't mean the place where God is," 00:08:19.66\00:08:22.86 it refers to the atmospheric heaven 00:08:22.90\00:08:24.63 is where the, where the birds fly. 00:08:24.67\00:08:26.74 The birds flying in the midst of heavens 00:08:26.77\00:08:28.40 the Bible talks about. 00:08:28.44\00:08:29.77 "But the heavens and the earth, 00:08:29.80\00:08:31.14 which are now, by the same word, 00:08:31.17\00:08:34.11 referring to the word of God, 00:08:34.14\00:08:35.71 are kept in store and they are reserved unto fire 00:08:35.74\00:08:40.65 against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men." 00:08:40.68\00:08:44.69 So Peter is basically saying what Jesus said 00:08:44.72\00:08:47.92 that there is gonna be a real fire, 00:08:47.96\00:08:49.82 it's really going to burn, 00:08:49.86\00:08:51.26 but Peter puts it not right now, 00:08:51.29\00:08:53.93 he puts it at the day of the Lord, 00:08:53.96\00:08:56.90 at the end of the world. 00:08:56.93\00:09:00.37 And Peter is very clear 00:09:00.40\00:09:02.30 that the ungodly referring to the wicked, 00:09:02.34\00:09:06.27 they are reserved for that day, reserved 00:09:06.31\00:09:11.01 and the heavens in the earth are reserved 00:09:11.05\00:09:13.05 for fire against the day of judgement 00:09:13.08\00:09:14.88 and perdition of ungodly men. 00:09:14.92\00:09:16.72 So ungodly men are going into the fire 00:09:16.75\00:09:19.19 but it's going to be not right now, 00:09:19.22\00:09:21.46 but it's going to be at end of the world. 00:09:21.49\00:09:23.86 If you go back to chapter 2, and look at verse 9, 00:09:23.89\00:09:28.83 Peter says something similar, he says that the, 00:09:28.86\00:09:31.20 he wrote that, "The Lord knows 00:09:31.23\00:09:33.03 how to deliver the godly out of temptations, 00:09:33.07\00:09:36.17 and to reserve the unjust 00:09:36.20\00:09:38.94 unto the day of judgement to the punished." 00:09:38.97\00:09:43.28 So this verse says 00:09:43.31\00:09:44.65 that God knows how to protect His people, 00:09:44.68\00:09:46.31 He knows how to preserve and keep them from temptations 00:09:46.35\00:09:52.09 but He will reserve or preserve the unjust, 00:09:52.12\00:09:56.73 it says until the day of judgement to be punished. 00:09:56.76\00:10:01.46 So when do the unjust get punished 00:10:01.50\00:10:04.00 according to 2 Peter 2:9. 00:10:04.03\00:10:08.34 He said, Peter wrote 00:10:08.37\00:10:09.70 and this is what the Bible says, 00:10:09.74\00:10:11.21 "That the unjust will be punished 00:10:11.24\00:10:13.51 on the day of judgement," 00:10:13.54\00:10:16.38 which obviously has not yet taken place 00:10:16.41\00:10:20.32 for people around the world. 00:10:20.35\00:10:25.19 So when you put these verses together, 00:10:25.22\00:10:27.29 we have these significant points. 00:10:27.32\00:10:30.56 Let me read these to you, from my own notes here, 00:10:30.59\00:10:33.96 very clear right from the Bible. 00:10:34.00\00:10:35.83 Point number one, 00:10:35.86\00:10:37.20 is there is going to be a real fire, 00:10:37.23\00:10:39.20 Jesus taught that, Peter taught that 00:10:39.23\00:10:41.44 and there is a lot of other verses that teach this 00:10:41.47\00:10:43.37 and we'll look at many of those other verses. 00:10:43.41\00:10:46.17 According to Jesus and according to Peter, 00:10:46.21\00:10:48.04 point number two 00:10:48.08\00:10:49.41 is that this fire occurs at the end of the world. 00:10:49.44\00:10:52.45 Point number three, 00:10:52.48\00:10:53.82 it is synonymous with occurring on the day of judgement. 00:10:53.85\00:10:58.32 Point four is the fire will burn 00:10:58.35\00:11:01.32 the atmospheric heavens 00:11:01.36\00:11:03.02 and the earth that we are now walking on top of, 00:11:03.06\00:11:07.16 and then point number five is that is when the lost, 00:11:07.20\00:11:11.03 or the unjust, or the wicked 00:11:11.07\00:11:13.17 will finally get their punishment. 00:11:13.20\00:11:16.77 Now, that's what the Bible says, 00:11:16.81\00:11:18.47 that's what Jesus taught in Matthew 13, 00:11:18.51\00:11:21.81 and that's what Peter taught in 2 Peter 2, 00:11:21.84\00:11:25.51 and in 2 Peter 3. 00:11:25.55\00:11:28.08 Now, what we've just read 00:11:28.12\00:11:29.88 is obviously quite a bit different 00:11:29.92\00:11:33.32 from the common view of hell. 00:11:33.36\00:11:36.09 When most people think of hell, 00:11:36.12\00:11:37.79 they think of the dream or the vision 00:11:37.83\00:11:41.93 or whatever it was that Bill Weise had 00:11:41.96\00:11:44.77 and that other people have had. 00:11:44.80\00:11:47.20 Apparently they've seen fire this fiery place 00:11:47.24\00:11:50.94 and most people think of it 00:11:50.97\00:11:52.44 as somewhere way down, down, down 00:11:52.47\00:11:54.44 who knows how many miles down underneath the ground, 00:11:54.48\00:11:57.18 way down possibly in the heart of the earth, 00:11:57.21\00:11:59.91 and they see it as a fiery place 00:11:59.95\00:12:03.15 where a lost soul will go after he dies. 00:12:03.18\00:12:08.69 And many times people imagine or they believe 00:12:08.72\00:12:12.86 that the devil will be down there 00:12:12.89\00:12:14.50 possibly with a pitchfork 00:12:14.53\00:12:15.93 or some kind of instruments and instrument of torture 00:12:15.96\00:12:19.00 and his demons are down there and people are screaming 00:12:19.03\00:12:22.27 and hauling, and there's just all kinds of awful things like, 00:12:22.30\00:12:27.28 just like Bill described in his dream or in his vision. 00:12:27.31\00:12:32.48 Let me read it again. 00:12:32.51\00:12:34.12 He saw the searing flames of hell, 00:12:34.15\00:12:35.98 he experienced the putrid and the rotting stench. 00:12:36.02\00:12:38.85 The deafening screams of agony, 00:12:38.89\00:12:40.96 terrorizing demons and finally the strong hand of God 00:12:40.99\00:12:44.56 lifting him out of the pit. 00:12:44.59\00:12:47.20 This is the common view of hell. 00:12:47.23\00:12:49.43 This is what Bill saw, 00:12:49.46\00:12:51.83 and again did God show this to him 00:12:51.87\00:12:54.80 or was it a supernatural experience 00:12:54.84\00:12:57.51 that came from the dark side to lead people astray? 00:12:57.54\00:13:01.58 The only way we're gonna find out the answer to that question 00:13:01.61\00:13:03.78 is by looking closely at the Bible. 00:13:03.81\00:13:07.42 Now, let me share with you a very shocking fact, 00:13:07.45\00:13:11.52 and it's the truth, you can check it out, 00:13:11.55\00:13:13.92 and I encourage you to check everything 00:13:13.96\00:13:15.29 that I say out from God's book. 00:13:15.32\00:13:18.49 There is only one place in the entire Bible 00:13:18.53\00:13:22.86 that seems to teach the idea 00:13:22.90\00:13:26.47 that hell is under the ground far below us 00:13:26.50\00:13:30.21 and it's a place where a lost soul leaves his body 00:13:30.24\00:13:33.44 at the point of death and goes under the ground 00:13:33.48\00:13:36.31 and begins suffering and writhing in the flames. 00:13:36.34\00:13:41.95 There's only one place that teaches that 00:13:41.98\00:13:44.75 and that is the story of the rich man 00:13:44.79\00:13:46.76 and Lazarus in the Book of Luke 16, 00:13:46.79\00:13:50.46 which we are going to examine closely in part two 00:13:50.49\00:13:54.80 of this little mini series, the hot topic of hell. 00:13:54.83\00:13:57.37 But before we do, 00:13:57.40\00:13:58.73 I want to just impress you with a very important fact, 00:13:58.77\00:14:02.97 an amazing fact. 00:14:03.00\00:14:04.34 And that is that there is no other verse 00:14:04.37\00:14:07.28 not one in the entire New Testament 00:14:07.31\00:14:10.98 or in the entire Bible 00:14:11.01\00:14:12.65 that seems to teach that concept, 00:14:12.68\00:14:15.58 that hell is a place under the ground 00:14:15.62\00:14:17.55 where a last soul goes at the point of death 00:14:17.59\00:14:20.06 and he's burning. 00:14:20.09\00:14:21.92 If you read the Book of Matthew, 00:14:21.96\00:14:24.33 the first book of the New Testament 00:14:24.36\00:14:25.69 you won't find that particular doctrine anywhere. 00:14:25.73\00:14:29.00 You won't find it in Mark, 00:14:29.03\00:14:30.77 you won't find it in the Book of John. 00:14:30.80\00:14:33.03 When you read the Book of Acts 00:14:33.07\00:14:35.14 which is the story of the early church 00:14:35.17\00:14:36.54 and what they preached, 00:14:36.57\00:14:37.91 what Peter preached on the day of Pentecost 00:14:37.94\00:14:39.77 and what Paul eventually preached 00:14:39.81\00:14:41.68 after he was converted from Saul to Paul, 00:14:41.71\00:14:44.25 you can read his sermons, Peter sermons, Paul sermons, 00:14:44.28\00:14:48.45 and you won't ever find them teaching anything like this 00:14:48.48\00:14:51.79 in the entire Book of Acts. 00:14:51.82\00:14:53.89 Paul wrote most of the New Testament, 00:14:53.92\00:14:55.96 the majority of the New Testament books he wrote, 00:14:55.99\00:14:57.66 he wrote Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 00:14:57.69\00:15:01.00 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 00:15:01.03\00:15:03.57 2 Timothy, he wrote a lot of books 00:15:03.60\00:15:06.27 and yet amazingly 00:15:06.30\00:15:07.64 you will not find anywhere in any of the writings of Paul 00:15:07.67\00:15:11.64 which includes the Book of Romans, 00:15:11.67\00:15:13.88 all of his books this concept 00:15:13.91\00:15:16.01 that hell is a place under the ground 00:15:16.04\00:15:18.21 where lost souls go at the point of death, 00:15:18.25\00:15:21.68 it's just not there. 00:15:21.72\00:15:24.19 James wrote his little book 00:15:24.22\00:15:26.55 close to the Book of Revelation, 00:15:26.59\00:15:28.22 it's not in the Book of James. 00:15:28.26\00:15:29.99 Peter wrote 1 and 2 Peter 00:15:30.03\00:15:32.69 completely absent from Peter's teaching. 00:15:32.73\00:15:35.70 The Book of Jude which is the little book 00:15:35.73\00:15:37.60 right before the Book of Revelation 00:15:37.63\00:15:39.37 talks about judgement, 00:15:39.40\00:15:40.74 talks about God executing judgement upon the wicked 00:15:40.77\00:15:43.47 when Jesus Christ comes, 00:15:43.51\00:15:45.11 but the concept of hell under the ground burning 00:15:45.14\00:15:48.41 it's just not there, 00:15:48.44\00:15:49.78 and when you read the Book of Revelation, 00:15:49.81\00:15:51.98 it's not there either. 00:15:52.01\00:15:53.78 Like I said it's nowhere. 00:15:53.82\00:15:55.98 It's nowhere in the Old Testament, 00:15:56.02\00:15:57.49 it's nowhere in the New Testament 00:15:57.52\00:15:59.32 except one place 00:15:59.35\00:16:00.72 which is the story of the rich man and Lazarus, 00:16:00.76\00:16:02.59 which we would look at in part two. 00:16:02.62\00:16:05.56 The truth is that there are two primary Greek words 00:16:05.59\00:16:11.83 that are translated hell in our English Bibles. 00:16:11.87\00:16:16.17 And the words are Gehenna and the other word is Hades. 00:16:16.20\00:16:20.74 I'd like to show you a text where Gehenna is used 00:16:20.78\00:16:24.91 which is in Matthew 5:29. 00:16:24.95\00:16:31.89 Jesus definitely believed in a fire, 00:16:31.92\00:16:34.72 but notice what he said and what he didn't say. 00:16:34.76\00:16:38.89 Matthew 5:29 and 30, 00:16:38.93\00:16:43.47 Jesus warned about sexual sin 00:16:43.50\00:16:46.57 and he said, "If your right eye offends you, 00:16:46.60\00:16:48.67 pluck it out and cast it from you, 00:16:48.70\00:16:51.37 for it is profitable for you 00:16:51.41\00:16:53.41 that one of your members should perish, 00:16:53.44\00:16:55.01 and not that your whole body should be cast into hell." 00:16:55.04\00:16:58.21 Now the Greek word there for hell is Gehenna, 00:16:58.25\00:17:01.72 and it's obvious when you look at this verse 00:17:01.75\00:17:03.62 and look at the way Gehenna is used in other verses 00:17:03.65\00:17:07.06 that Gehenna definitely refers to a real place of fire. 00:17:07.09\00:17:11.49 In verse 30 Jesus basically said the same thing, 00:17:11.53\00:17:15.13 "If your right hand offends you, 00:17:15.16\00:17:17.27 cut it off and cast it from you, 00:17:17.30\00:17:19.17 for it is profitable for you 00:17:19.20\00:17:20.54 that one of your members should perish, 00:17:20.57\00:17:22.07 and not that your whole body should be cast into hell." 00:17:22.10\00:17:25.94 Now I don't believe Jesus is really recommending 00:17:25.97\00:17:28.14 that we actually take a knife 00:17:28.18\00:17:29.51 and cut off our hands or take out our eyes 00:17:29.54\00:17:31.58 but his, the context from verse 27 and 28 00:17:31.61\00:17:35.42 is that Jesus is talking about sexual sin 00:17:35.45\00:17:37.79 and He's talking about committing adultery 00:17:37.82\00:17:39.89 and not just the physical act 00:17:39.92\00:17:41.26 but dwelling upon these things in your mind and you know, 00:17:41.29\00:17:45.43 seeing either a woman or a man that you really want to be with 00:17:45.46\00:17:49.20 and basically creating a bed in your heart and doing this, 00:17:49.23\00:17:55.50 committing adultery inside of you, 00:17:55.54\00:17:58.47 and Jesus said if your eye is leading you into sin, 00:17:58.51\00:18:01.54 He said it's really better to take your eye out 00:18:01.58\00:18:03.45 than to go into hell. 00:18:03.48\00:18:04.81 It's really better to cut your hand off, 00:18:04.85\00:18:06.18 if your hand is leading you into sin, 00:18:06.21\00:18:08.05 and I think what Jesus is saying 00:18:08.08\00:18:09.82 is that whatever part of us 00:18:09.85\00:18:13.15 is leading us into sexual immorality 00:18:13.19\00:18:15.36 or any kind of immorality, 00:18:15.39\00:18:17.03 we really need to make a strong decision 00:18:17.06\00:18:20.06 to cut out that practice from our lives, 00:18:20.10\00:18:23.37 that's what Jesus is really saying. 00:18:23.40\00:18:26.97 But he uses the word Gehenna here and he uses, 00:18:27.00\00:18:31.44 he talks about hell where people will go, 00:18:31.47\00:18:35.51 and he says that your whole body 00:18:35.54\00:18:36.88 will eventually go there. 00:18:36.91\00:18:38.25 He doesn't say your soul 00:18:38.28\00:18:39.61 is gonna leave your body and go there, 00:18:39.65\00:18:40.98 he says your whole body is gonna eventually 00:18:41.02\00:18:42.35 end up in hell. 00:18:42.38\00:18:43.72 And the word here, again the Greek word is Gehenna 00:18:43.75\00:18:45.19 which basically means a place of burning, 00:18:45.22\00:18:48.26 a place of fire, so again I believe it's real, 00:18:48.29\00:18:51.13 I believe it's coming, 00:18:51.16\00:18:52.79 and I believe that Jesus' warning 00:18:52.83\00:18:54.53 needs to be taken seriously. 00:18:54.56\00:18:56.36 But in theses verses Jesus does not say 00:18:56.40\00:19:00.14 that you're going to go to hell when you die, 00:19:00.17\00:19:02.90 He just says that your whole body will go there 00:19:02.94\00:19:05.34 if you continue to practice sin, 00:19:05.37\00:19:08.71 but He doesn't say 00:19:08.74\00:19:10.08 when it will happen in this verse. 00:19:10.11\00:19:12.21 Now there is another verse, 00:19:12.25\00:19:13.58 there's actually a lot of verses 00:19:13.62\00:19:15.28 where Jesus talks about the consequences 00:19:15.32\00:19:17.19 and going into the fire, 00:19:17.22\00:19:19.35 but in these verses He doesn't say 00:19:19.39\00:19:21.09 exactly when and we did read that in Matthew 13, 00:19:21.12\00:19:24.29 Jesus said, the fire would take place 00:19:24.33\00:19:25.93 at the end of the world, 00:19:25.96\00:19:27.30 and we read in 2 Peter the same thing. 00:19:27.33\00:19:30.63 So now let's look at the word Hades 00:19:30.67\00:19:34.77 and let's see what it means. 00:19:34.80\00:19:36.17 Hades is used a number of times in the New Testament 00:19:36.20\00:19:39.14 and let's take a look at one of them 00:19:39.17\00:19:40.61 which is in 1 Corinthians 15. 00:19:40.64\00:19:45.21 If you did your homework 00:19:45.25\00:19:46.58 and look up the word Hades 00:19:46.61\00:19:48.25 in a reputable Bible dictionary, 00:19:48.28\00:19:51.15 at least one that knows what it's talking about 00:19:51.19\00:19:53.15 and you'll discover 00:19:53.19\00:19:54.52 that Hades really should be correctly translated, 00:19:54.56\00:19:58.59 not a place of burning, it's not under the ground 00:19:58.63\00:20:01.00 somewhere where souls are being tormented by demons 00:20:01.03\00:20:04.07 with pitchforks. 00:20:04.10\00:20:05.43 It is actually a word 00:20:05.47\00:20:06.80 that applies to simply the grave itself. 00:20:06.84\00:20:09.84 We know this for sure 00:20:09.87\00:20:11.27 by looking at how the word is used 00:20:11.31\00:20:13.04 in its context in a number of passages. 00:20:13.07\00:20:16.38 1 Corinthians 15, describes the great day 00:20:16.41\00:20:20.78 when Jesus returns, His second coming. 00:20:20.82\00:20:24.79 Verse 51 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery: 00:20:24.82\00:20:27.06 Paul wrote we will not all sleep, 00:20:27.09\00:20:28.42 but will all be changed." 00:20:28.46\00:20:30.23 Sleep preferring to death, 00:20:30.26\00:20:31.96 but we'll all be transformed if we're true believers. 00:20:31.99\00:20:34.96 Verse 52, "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, 00:20:35.00\00:20:37.47 at the last trumpet." 00:20:37.50\00:20:39.07 And the last trumpet is at the end of the world. 00:20:39.10\00:20:41.17 "For the trumpet will sound, it'll be very loud 00:20:41.20\00:20:43.87 and the dead will be raised incorruptible, 00:20:43.91\00:20:46.07 and we shall be changed. 00:20:46.11\00:20:47.98 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, 00:20:48.01\00:20:50.25 and this mortal must put on immortality. 00:20:50.28\00:20:53.92 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, 00:20:53.95\00:20:57.52 and this mortal which is what we are now, 00:20:57.55\00:20:59.75 mortal beings shall have put on immortality," 00:20:59.79\00:21:02.92 on resurrection day when Jesus comes. 00:21:02.96\00:21:06.16 Paul wrote, "Then shall be brought to pass the saying 00:21:06.19\00:21:08.93 that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." 00:21:08.96\00:21:12.70 And then in verse 55, he describes the words 00:21:12.73\00:21:15.24 that come out of the mouths of the saints 00:21:15.27\00:21:17.01 on resurrection morning, 00:21:17.04\00:21:18.37 when they come out of the grave. 00:21:18.41\00:21:20.24 "O death, where is your sting? 00:21:20.28\00:21:22.38 O grave, where is your victory? 00:21:22.41\00:21:24.81 Now, I don't know if you can see this 00:21:24.85\00:21:26.25 through the camera lens, 00:21:26.28\00:21:27.62 but in my Bible I've circled the word grave here 00:21:27.65\00:21:31.32 and there is a little footnote 00:21:31.35\00:21:32.92 that takes you to a marginal reference on the side 00:21:32.95\00:21:36.06 and the word there is hell. 00:21:36.09\00:21:38.19 And the Greek word is Hades. 00:21:38.23\00:21:40.13 And so what Paul is basically saying 00:21:40.16\00:21:41.66 is that the saints on resurrection morning 00:21:41.70\00:21:44.00 come out of the grave which is Hades, 00:21:44.03\00:21:46.60 which is also translated hell 00:21:46.63\00:21:48.37 and they come out and they are shouting and praising God, 00:21:48.40\00:21:51.84 because death has no longer any power over them. 00:21:51.87\00:21:56.91 Now, think about it, 00:21:56.95\00:21:58.51 here we have Paul describing the saints coming out of Hades 00:21:58.55\00:22:01.95 and shouting victory over death in the grave 00:22:01.98\00:22:05.22 and obviously in this verse, 00:22:05.25\00:22:07.42 Hades is not a reference to a place 00:22:07.46\00:22:09.49 burning under the ground 00:22:09.52\00:22:11.16 where the saints art being tormented, 00:22:11.19\00:22:12.93 obviously not by demons or devils but pitchforks, 00:22:12.96\00:22:15.66 but again Hades is simply a word 00:22:15.70\00:22:17.97 that describes the grave and Paul is saying 00:22:18.00\00:22:21.07 that when even the righteous die, 00:22:21.10\00:22:23.20 they go to the grave and the wicked also go to grave 00:22:23.24\00:22:25.74 but when Jesus Christ comes on resurrection morning, 00:22:25.77\00:22:28.74 then His people will come out of the grave shouting victory, 00:22:28.78\00:22:32.31 praising the Lord 00:22:32.35\00:22:33.68 that they will never have to worry 00:22:33.72\00:22:35.78 about the grave again. 00:22:35.82\00:22:37.22 So just to summarize, 00:22:37.25\00:22:38.59 we have two major words in the New Testament 00:22:38.62\00:22:40.42 that are translated hell in our English Bibles. 00:22:40.46\00:22:43.46 Gehenna which is a place of burning 00:22:43.49\00:22:46.66 and Hades which literally means the grave. 00:22:46.70\00:22:50.67 Now the word Hades is used in another place 00:22:50.70\00:22:53.44 that I want to share with you before we wind up part one 00:22:53.47\00:22:57.01 and that's in the Book of Revelation 20. 00:22:57.04\00:23:01.31 Revelation 20 is a very, very powerful passage 00:23:01.34\00:23:04.21 describing the end of the millennium, 00:23:04.25\00:23:05.95 the end of the one thousand years, 00:23:05.98\00:23:07.95 and it describes the resurrection of lost people 00:23:07.98\00:23:11.55 in verses 12-14 who eventually are judged 00:23:11.59\00:23:15.49 and then who go into the lake of fire. 00:23:15.52\00:23:17.49 In verse 12 John saw in vision, 00:23:17.53\00:23:20.20 "I saw the dead, small and great, 00:23:20.23\00:23:22.13 standing before God, and books were opened. 00:23:22.16\00:23:24.87 And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. 00:23:24.90\00:23:27.27 And the dead were judged out of those things, 00:23:27.30\00:23:29.44 which were written in the books according to their works." 00:23:29.47\00:23:32.24 So this is what we call the great white throne judgement 00:23:32.27\00:23:35.48 at the end of the millennium 00:23:35.51\00:23:37.08 and it is the lost who are being judged. 00:23:37.11\00:23:39.61 Verse 13 says, "The sea gave up the dead 00:23:39.65\00:23:41.92 which were in it, 00:23:41.95\00:23:43.28 and death and hell delivered up the dead 00:23:43.32\00:23:46.29 which were in them. 00:23:46.32\00:23:47.69 And they were judged, 00:23:47.72\00:23:49.06 every man according to their works." 00:23:49.09\00:23:50.93 And then verse 14 says, 00:23:50.96\00:23:52.29 "Death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. 00:23:52.33\00:23:54.66 This is the second death. 00:23:54.70\00:23:56.40 Whosoever was not found written in the book of life 00:23:56.43\00:23:58.87 was cast into the lake of fire." 00:23:58.90\00:24:01.80 And I'm gonna hold my Bible up again here 00:24:01.84\00:24:03.37 so you can see this, 00:24:03.41\00:24:04.74 if you got great eyes or just take my word for it. 00:24:04.77\00:24:07.58 In verse 13, I've got the word hell there 00:24:07.61\00:24:11.68 that the lost are coming up out of hell 00:24:11.71\00:24:13.78 and I've circled that word, 00:24:13.82\00:24:15.15 there's a marginal reference which says the grave 00:24:15.18\00:24:17.92 and the Greek word, the original word is Hades, 00:24:17.95\00:24:20.92 just like in 1 Corinthians 15. 00:24:20.96\00:24:22.79 So just like the righteous come out of Hades 00:24:22.82\00:24:24.59 and shout for joy, 00:24:24.63\00:24:25.99 so at the end of the thousand years, 00:24:26.03\00:24:29.40 the lost come out of Hades as well which means the grave 00:24:29.43\00:24:34.20 and then they're judged 00:24:34.24\00:24:35.57 and then they go into the lake of fire. 00:24:35.60\00:24:39.14 Now let me just summarize these different points here. 00:24:39.17\00:24:42.98 Notice the order, at the end of the millennium, 00:24:43.01\00:24:45.25 the lost come out of Hades, 00:24:45.28\00:24:46.92 they're judged and they go into the fire. 00:24:46.95\00:24:49.48 It would certainly be strange if a lost person dies today 00:24:49.52\00:24:53.49 and goes immediately into the fire 00:24:53.52\00:24:56.02 and then at the end of the millennium 00:24:56.06\00:24:57.86 he comes out of the fire to get judged. 00:24:57.89\00:25:01.10 I mean why would God judge a person 00:25:01.13\00:25:03.43 after He throws him into the fire, 00:25:03.47\00:25:05.53 that doesn't make sense. 00:25:05.57\00:25:06.90 And then it would be even stranger 00:25:06.94\00:25:08.60 if that lost person were to then be sent 00:25:08.64\00:25:10.61 back into the fire after he's judged. 00:25:10.64\00:25:13.91 Imagine two people dying, 00:25:13.94\00:25:15.44 one person died a 1000 years ago 00:25:15.48\00:25:17.28 and he was very wicked and he goes into the fire 00:25:17.31\00:25:19.61 and he's burning, 00:25:19.65\00:25:20.98 and then another wicked person dies today 00:25:21.02\00:25:22.75 and then he goes down into the fire 00:25:22.78\00:25:24.22 and he joins that first person, 00:25:24.25\00:25:26.65 that would mean that the second person 00:25:26.69\00:25:29.06 burn for a 1000 years less 00:25:29.09\00:25:31.09 and the first person burn for a 1000 years longer 00:25:31.13\00:25:33.66 because they both, 00:25:33.70\00:25:35.93 because they died at different times 00:25:35.96\00:25:38.13 and now what that make sense. 00:25:38.17\00:25:39.50 And the Bible says the God is gonna judge people justly 00:25:39.53\00:25:42.40 and then he's going to punish them. 00:25:42.44\00:25:44.67 And so it doesn't make sense based on these scriptures 00:25:44.71\00:25:47.91 that a lost person would go down into the fire now 00:25:47.94\00:25:51.25 and then become, and then get resurrected 00:25:51.28\00:25:53.98 and then get judged, and then go back into the fire. 00:25:54.02\00:25:57.85 Revelation 20:15 says, 00:25:57.89\00:26:01.56 that at the end of the millennium, 00:26:01.59\00:26:03.46 "Whosoever was not found written in the book of life 00:26:03.49\00:26:06.49 was cast into the lake of fire." 00:26:06.53\00:26:08.40 I believe in a real fire, it's coming, 00:26:08.43\00:26:10.70 but when does that fire come, how long does it burn, 00:26:10.73\00:26:14.17 do people go there today? 00:26:14.20\00:26:16.10 I don't think so, that's not what the Bible says, 00:26:16.14\00:26:19.04 and what is really the truth about hell? 00:26:19.07\00:26:22.71 Well, this is 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