Participants: Dr. James Marcum (Host), Tim Jennings
Series Code: HTOH
Program Code: HTOH000023
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00:02 There's a place for modern medicine in your life, 00:04 learn to use it correctly by getting 00:06 your toughest questions answered on today's broadcast. 00:08 Discover modern medicine strengths and weaknesses. 00:12 Lifestyle medicine opens the door 00:13 to optimum health and healing. 00:15 How you live and what you eat 00:16 have propounding effect on mind and body. 00:19 Learn simple solutions to complex problems. 00:22 God provides the ultimate healing we all desire. 00:25 He wants us healthy and happy. 00:27 We just need to understand His plan 00:29 for our lives and live accordingly. 00:31 And now live from studio 1A in Chattanooga, Tennessee. 00:35 Here is your Heart of Health host, Dr. James Marcum. 00:38 Welcome, welcome, we're glad everyone 00:41 joined us today on our program, 00:42 Heart of Health Live you are watching. 00:44 And if you might be flipping channels 00:46 we are glad you joined us, stay with us. 00:49 We have some very important information today. 00:52 We are going to be talking about depression 00:55 and unfortunately up to one in four of us suffer 00:58 some form of depression or some element of depression, 01:01 so it's something that everyone wants to learn about, 01:04 if not only for you friends you can help 01:06 a lot of people by listening. 01:07 We have an expert in the field of depression 01:10 with us this evening is Dr. Tim Jennings. 01:13 Dr. Tim Jennings actually practices 01:16 and sees real patients' everyday. 01:19 He takes care of lots of people. 01:21 He is also the president elect 01:23 at the Tennessee Psychiatric Association that's a big word, 01:26 but that means that he is well known amongst his peers 01:29 and they respect what he has done. 01:32 He is an author of two great books, 01:34 one of which is on bookshelves right now called 01:37 "Could It Be This Simple? 01:38 Another one that's going to come out later in the year 01:42 about probably April or May, you can start 01:44 talking about preordering it. 01:46 But these books I have read personally and they also shape 01:49 the way I treat cardiology because I realize 01:52 that all disease, much of disease 01:54 we have comes from the brain. 01:56 And unfortunately when a brain is depressed, 01:59 it doesn't feel good, it effects the entire body, 02:02 raises a chance of infection, raises a chance 02:05 of cardiovascular disease, raises a chance of accidents 02:09 and miss days at worst. 02:10 It hurts our relationships with each other. 02:13 It also hurts our relationship with God. 02:15 So this is a program you definitely 02:17 want to stay tuned on. 02:19 Our lines are open right now. 02:21 So we want you to give us a call 855-644-3278. 02:25 You can also, if you don't 02:27 want to talk on air, you can leave your questions 02:30 with one of our capable call centre people. 02:32 You can also join us on facebook, 02:34 be part of the discussion there or become 02:36 one of our facebook friends. 02:38 Dr. Tim Jennings has so graciously agreed to be with us 02:41 and if you stay with us, you gonna get to sharing 02:44 his expertise after we go to this short break. 02:46 Stay with us. 02:51 The Heart of Health Live will return in just a moment. 02:58 The Heart of Health Live is brought to you 03:00 by Heartwise Ministries. 03:36 Have you ever heard things 03:37 about God that didn't make sense? 03:39 Have you ever thought that science and scripture 03:41 cannot be reconciled? 03:43 Have you heard ideas about God that scared you? 03:46 Or are you just tired and confused? 03:48 If you want answers to complex problems. 03:50 If you want a testable, evidence-based 03:52 understanding of God and the world around you, 03:54 an understanding in which the Bible and science 03:57 harmonize to reveal the reality that God is love all the time. 04:01 Then comeandreason ministries is for you. 04:03 Hi, I'm Dr. Tim Jennings, board certified psychiatrist 04:07 and comeandreason ministries is dedicated to helping 04:09 you learn to discern, to stimulate you to think, 04:12 to help hone and refine your ability to know 04:15 the right from the wrong, the healthy from the unhealthy 04:18 and teach you how to experience healing of your mind, 04:22 body and relationships here at now. 04:25 If you would like an evidenced based approach to knowing God, 04:28 then visit us online at comeandreason. com. 04:34 3ABN music presents 04:35 Don't give up 04:38 Heaven's on your side 04:41 Danny Shelton's "Don't give up. 04:43 Heaven is on your side. 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Welcome back. 05:44 If you just joined us, we are talking about depression 05:47 and we are so glad that Dr. Tim Jennings has joined us. 05:50 Dr. Jennings, thanks for giving us your time. 05:53 Thanks for having me. 05:54 Listen, tell us what got you interested 05:56 in the field of psychiatry? 05:58 So many branches of medicine you could have gone into. 06:00 You know, when I decided to med-school, 06:03 my plan was to be a cardiologist. 06:04 Okay. Yeah, yeah, 06:06 but then in med-school, 06:07 I obviously went to the various rotations 06:09 and when I went to the rotation for psychiatry, 06:13 I discovered that the brain is actually 06:14 the most complex organ in our body. 06:16 You know since I was drawn to the, 06:18 the complexity of the brain and the mind 06:20 and that's why I went into that field. 06:23 So, to become a psychiatrist, you have to become 06:25 a medical doctor first? MD, yeah. 06:27 And you learn about all the fields in medicine? 06:29 Absolutely. Okay, and then 06:30 what do you do beyond that? 06:31 And then we have a four year residency in psychiatry 06:34 that has a heavy emphasis on neurology. 06:36 One third of psychiatrist, the board certification 06:39 exams is actually neurology. 06:40 So there is a really heavy emphasis on understanding 06:42 the brain and neuroscience in order to be a psychiatrist. 06:45 Okay, and then after you finished that, 06:47 I guess you have been practicing for a while? 06:48 I have been practicing for over 20 years now. 06:51 Now, what got you interested in writing books? 06:54 Well, I got interest in writing books was patients 06:57 that would come to and have problems, 06:59 and so many misunderstandings and so few resources out 07:02 there that actually put a balance in what I really 07:05 have a passion for is integrating science 07:08 and scripture, integrating what I understand how God 07:12 designed life to operate with the evidences 07:14 that we have before us in the scientific world 07:17 and bringing those two together in a way that people 07:20 can understand it in a right functioning to their life. 07:22 Wow, now if you look at society now, 07:25 I think our mental health is as bad as ever been 07:28 in the history of the earth, would you agree? 07:30 I wouldn't disagree, I would tell you, 07:32 I've never thought of that like that thorough the whole history. 07:34 I mean, you think about it, it's a major medical problem 07:38 and it's like we have to deal with it. 07:40 Just give us since we gonna focus on some depression. 07:43 Just tell me about depression, let our readers know, 07:45 give us a sort of brief overview. 07:47 You know, when somebody is depress, 07:48 it's actually a physical illness of brain and body. 07:51 The part of the brain that we reason and think right here, 07:55 behind our forehead, this part of the brain 07:57 it organizes plans and it also modulates mood is depressed 08:01 or suppressed, it's not active as normal 08:04 when someone is depressed. 08:05 So the person who is depressed has trouble thinking clearly, 08:08 concentrating problem solving, part of the brain right above 08:11 the orbit of your eye is the part of the brain 08:13 that gives you a conviction of wrong doing, 08:15 redirects from inappropriate behavior. 08:18 And so if you were at church this weekend 08:20 and you try to stand up and take your clothes off 08:22 in front of everyone, okay. 08:24 This part of the brain would start fighting like crazy 08:26 and you get really uncomfortable and stressed and feel because 08:28 this part of the brain is trying to redirect 08:29 you to get you to stop this inappropriate behavior. 08:32 When someone is depressed, this part of brain 08:33 is actually over active. 08:35 So they get a sense of it of guilt, 08:36 the sense of inadequacy, the sense of everything 08:38 they do is not good enough or not right. 08:40 A part of the brain behind the bridge of the nose 08:42 about few inches back it is called 08:44 anterior cingulate cortex., 08:45 this part of the brain where it makes empathy, 08:47 compassion, connected this with all the people 08:50 and it's also the place you make decisions. 08:52 And this part of the brain when someone is depressed 08:54 is under active, so people feel emotionally disconnected 08:57 and they have difficult time making decisions. 08:59 The part of the brain where you experience fear called 09:01 the amygdala is overactive in depression, 09:04 so people also have the sense of apprehension and dread, 09:06 worry, anxiety and then the part of the brain 09:09 which brings pleasure, all pleasure 09:11 called the nucleus accumbens whether it's that runner's high, 09:13 whether it's your favorite food, 09:14 whether it's just fell in love, all pleasure. 09:16 When someone is depressed, 09:18 this part of the brain is not reacting. 09:19 So when people are depressed, there is this consolation 09:21 of symptoms based on the brain circuitry is out of balance, 09:24 where they have trouble concentrating, 09:26 focusing, they have trouble with decision making, 09:28 they have emotional disconnect, they feel guilty and inadequate 09:31 in everything they do, they have a sense of dread 09:33 and worry and apprehension. 09:34 And then when things actually go good in their life, 09:37 there is no joy in life anymore. 09:39 Now, when the brain circuit you have to balance like this, 09:42 the fear circuitry is overactive and peripherally 09:45 what does that in your body is it actually activates 09:47 your immune system causing inflammatory cascade. 09:51 This is devastating to the body, 09:52 the elevated inflammatory cascade 09:55 results in insulin resistance, 09:57 in the phase of high stress and high stress causes 10:00 the stress hormones, glucocorticoids 10:02 to release which means it's pumping glucose 10:04 into your bloodstream for the fighter flight stress 10:06 response but now we are having inflammatory cascade 10:09 causing insulin resistance, so we are not able to use 10:12 that glucose as well, so there is chronic, 10:14 there is chronic imbalance it happens with depression 10:16 from the brain circuits cause increasing risk 10:19 as you mentioned in your opening of cardiovascular disease, 10:21 obesity, diabetes, hypercholesterolemia, stroke, 10:26 even bone density problems go--we have problem 10:29 with osteopenia, osteoporosis for people who are depressed. 10:33 Now, this inflammatory cascade one final steps 10:35 is a three way process here. 10:36 Brain circuit are out of balance 10:37 causing inflammatory cascade cause 10:39 physiological health problem, that inflammatory cascade 10:42 now reacts back upon the brain causing failure or damage. 10:45 Cells in the brain begin to be damaged, 10:47 I'm walking through all the technical 10:48 half way through that happens. 10:49 We actually lose brain volume, puts the brain for shrinking. 10:52 Now, I brought us a functional scan to show our 10:55 audience and on the left we have a brain 10:58 that is not depressed and on the right here 11:00 we have a brain that's depressed. 11:02 And what we're actually seeing here is the bright areas 11:04 are cells that are using glucose, they are firing, 11:06 they are talking to each other, they are active 11:08 and the cells that are dark, that are not doing. 11:10 These are not dead cells, it's not a stroke here. 11:12 These cells are just dormant. They are not just active. 11:15 They are kind of just centering not doing much 11:17 and that's what happening in the brain 11:18 of people who are depressed. 11:20 Wow, there are lot of stuff going on, 11:23 so the diagnosis of depression. 11:25 You mentioned some of the symptoms. 11:26 Is you're just talking to people, 11:29 you tell if they have these brain or you have 11:30 to scan everybody? 11:32 You can do, you actually certainly could do a scan 11:34 but there is no need to do a scan 11:35 if you have an experienced healthcare provider 11:37 who knows what they are looking for. 11:39 But you know, somebody can come in and look like 11:40 they are depressed and not actually be depressed 11:42 and that's why it does take somebody who has some clinical 11:44 experience to know how to differentiate between 11:47 somebody who actually has depression 11:48 and somebody who doesn't. 11:50 Now what's interesting is just when somebody 11:53 has depression, we have this physiological process 11:56 going on that still doesn't tell us why they have depression 11:59 and that's the critical thing to wellness. 12:01 To get somebody well, it's not just enough to say okay, 12:04 you got depression, you have to then start 12:06 asking those critical questions and this particular person 12:09 who sits in my office right now. 12:10 What's going on in their life, their brain circuits, 12:13 in their body inflammatory cascade is out 12:16 that are actually causing depression. 12:18 So if you remember have those circuits right in balance 12:20 I've just described anything going on in life 12:23 that will imbalance the circuits that way. 12:25 Decrease, there's a lot of prefrontal cortex up 12:27 regulate your circuitry for instance. 12:29 Anything it does that will push people under depression 12:31 or anything that causes higher inflammation in the body 12:35 will push people towards depression. 12:37 And so we have multiple different avenues 12:39 that we can, we can push people in the direction 12:42 of depression and so when someone is depressed, 12:43 we have to look at them as a total package and say, 12:45 okay, what is going wrong where and then begin 12:48 a whole treatment plan to get their body 12:51 and their brain back in balance. 12:52 Right, so depression might just be something physical. 12:55 Depression is something physical. 12:57 Yeah, it's something physical but something could trigger 12:58 you know like a disease could make depression come on. 13:01 One of the major factors of depression is the worsening 13:05 physical health problems you have. 13:06 Every organ system of your body has its primary purpose 13:10 to serve your brain. Right. 13:12 Okay. So the more physical illness you have, 13:14 the less effective your body can keep your brain healthy, 13:16 so the more you're pushed towards 13:18 brain dysfunction and depression. 13:19 So when you think a person might have this, 13:21 one of the first things I guess you would 13:23 do is the complete physical and make sure 13:25 that's not contributing factors. 13:26 Actually, certainly we want them to have 13:28 a complete physical exam, get lab work done, 13:30 hypothyroidism, certain sleep disorders are contributing 13:33 factors to depression. 13:35 Lot of these things are involved. 13:36 So once you look at all that and say, 13:38 listen I corrected this and I corrected that. 13:41 We are going to talk a little bit about this specific 13:43 as we go on today about how you address 13:45 this complex medical problem. 13:47 So depression is pretty - now you got the brain there, 13:50 you know, which is the part that does 13:52 the thinking for those who don't. 13:54 This, the part of the brain here in the front, 13:56 this is the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex. 13:58 This is the part where we reason and think. 13:59 When someone is depressed, it's not as active. 14:03 Okay. And this is the part we want 14:04 to turn back on and there are certain 14:07 avenues through which this can happen. 14:09 One is you are talking about physical health problems 14:12 but also the thoughts that we have, 14:15 if people are taking actions that are out of harmony 14:19 with God's design and then had guilt. 14:21 For instance guilt can disrupt 14:22 the circuitry on result of guilt. 14:24 So the first thing you do not do is just reach for medicine. 14:27 What medicines, you know, we should talk about 14:30 that because there is a place 14:31 but they are really over used. 14:32 And that's the first thing you think about. 14:34 Yeah. We need to talk about that. 14:35 Brenda, we are going to be back and answer 14:37 your question with Dr. Tim Jennings. 14:39 Give us a call at 855-644-3278. 14:43 You are watching "The Heart of Health Live." 14:51 The Heart of Health Live will return in just a moment. 14:59 I'm Dr. James Marcum and I talk to patient's 15:02 everyday who wants to know the truth in healthcare. 15:05 On our website heartwiseministries.org 15:09 you can have your questions answered. 15:10 You can read my blog where I talk about interesting 15:13 and controversial subjects in medicine. 15:15 You might choose to go to the radio or television sections 15:18 and learn more about all sorts of health topics. 15:20 Take the time and go to heartwiseministries.org. 15:33 I like to think that one day when we get to heaven, 15:35 we are going to see a list of people, people like Jared 15:39 and Susan who were introduced to Jesus 15:43 because of something we said or may be it was simple 15:46 as a passing smile, but these people will look into their past 15:50 and be able to say, I'm here because of you. 15:54 Recently you may have heard that Heartwise Ministries 15:56 has began spreading the gospel to the young, 15:58 the old, the sick and the healthy 16:02 using this very television program. 16:04 But we need your help. 16:06 We want to take this type of medical programming 16:08 to the non-believer and the person 16:10 who has closed themselves off 16:12 to traditional forms of outreach. 16:14 If you believe as we do, and wants to support Heartwise, 16:17 so that together we can count more names on the tree of life. 16:21 Please consider donating today at heartwiseministries.org 16:25 that's heartwiseministries.org... 16:52 Yes, there is a place for modern medicine 16:54 but that's not enough, there is a place for lifestyle 16:57 but that's not enough. 16:58 The real truth in medicine, the real truth in healing comes 17:01 from that relationship with the heavenly Father. 17:04 That relationship can show us the balance, 17:06 when to use modern medicine, when to use lifestyle, 17:09 and to use it for the right reasons. 17:11 Well, this book gives the solution 17:13 to the healthcare dilemma. 17:15 It answers the question why am I sick. 17:18 How do I get better and how can I have ultimate healing. 17:33 You've got questions, we've got answers 17:36 on the Heart of Health Live. 17:37 Welcome back. 17:40 Our guest this evening 17:41 if just joined us is Dr. Tim Jennings. 17:43 He is a psychiatrist, he actually 17:45 sees patients everyday. 17:47 He is president elect 17:48 at the Tennessee Psychiatric Association. 17:50 He has written some great books out there. 17:52 His website, one of his websites is comeandreason.com. 17:56 And Dr. Jennings we were talking 17:58 a little bit about medications. 17:59 You know, sometimes our patients come in and they say 18:01 they talked to their family physician and they gave me 18:04 this medicine right away. 18:06 Is that the way we should be doing things? 18:08 I will tell you, in America the number one treatment 18:09 for depression is antidepressants. 18:12 But they are overused and they often don't work. 18:14 In fact there was a study done 18:16 by the National Institute of Health where they took patients, 18:18 they were cherry picked patients, 18:19 when I say cherry picked, 18:20 either never been treated before or if they had ever been treated 18:22 they always got well, so they excluded people 18:25 who failed to respond and then they put them 18:27 on one of the SSRI medications. 18:29 How many percent of those patients 18:31 do you think got well? 18:32 I don't know, how many? 18:34 27%, 73% of the patients did not get well on antidepressants. 18:37 And then they would, went through a whole series 18:39 but the point is every time they switch them, 18:40 less percentage got well than the 27%. 18:43 And so medicines as a single 18:45 and soul treatment are not really ideal. 18:47 We want to look at the person holistically 18:49 and one of the reasons why medicines don't work well 18:51 and you get such low responses. 18:52 In order for-way the medicines work? 18:54 May be the audience would like to know this. 18:56 When one neuron wants to talk to another neuron, 18:58 the neuron releases chemical 19:00 in the little gap called the synapse. 19:01 When the neuron that releases the chemical has released it, 19:04 there is a little vacuum cleaners for reuptake pumps 19:06 that will suck that back and repack 19:07 it for the next signal. 19:09 Medicines almost all antidepressants block 19:11 those pumps, shut them down, so when the neuron fires, 19:13 it leaves the chemical out here in the space longer 19:15 but guess what happened if we blocked it, it doesn't fire. 19:19 See if it's not releasing if we block those pumps 19:21 is no big impact and remember patients brains, 19:24 okay, patients brains when they are depressed 19:26 like this, his neurons are not firing normally. 19:28 And so this is one significant reason why antidepressants 19:32 don't work well for lot of people. 19:33 Not to mention all the risks and side effect 19:35 and other problems you get with them.. 19:36 I'm glad that you understand 19:38 that because many people don't. 19:40 You know, they just right 19:41 to the medicines first of all. 19:43 Brenda, you are on with Dr. Jennings. 19:45 Can you go ahead and ask your question or comment? 19:50 Hello, hello, Brenda. Yes. 19:52 Okay, go ahead. You are on with Dr. Jennings. 19:55 Okay, Dr. Jennings. Yes. 19:58 My family, well first of that manic depression 20:04 bipolar and schizophrenic tendency. 20:09 My family treat me as if I'm a retard, 20:17 they want to take over my life and hold on to my money 20:22 which I had put in my, you know, in sisters name 20:27 and my name, it was my mistake. 20:30 But she is dead now but they still don't trust me. 20:35 Did you have a question for me Brenda? 20:37 Yes, how do you get your family to understand? 20:42 Mental illness 20:44 Yeah, so, thanks for calling Brenda. 20:46 First off for the audience, let me clarify. 20:49 She mentioned she had bipolar disorder manic depression, 20:52 the old terminology for this illness was manic depression. 20:56 And in 1980 it was actually officially 20:58 changed to bipolar disorder. 20:59 So bipolar disorder and manic depression are technically 21:02 the same illness, so it's the same illness. 21:05 And this the illness in which you not only 21:06 have depressions, you then have elevated 21:09 periods of excess and expansive energy with the mood, 21:13 decreasing for sleep, raising thoughts and often times, 21:16 sometimes people on a full manic episode 21:18 will become have a lost of touch with reality 21:22 where they become grandiose, delusional and so forth. 21:25 If that's happening, then what happens 21:27 is many families will have to step in to, 21:31 you know, intervene to help protect the person 21:33 from spending money that they don't have, 21:35 going into terrible debt and making impossible 21:37 decisions that are destructive. 21:38 Unfortunately what can happen now is when that happens 21:41 on an occasion because of a moment of decomposition, 21:44 the family can sometimes they conclude 21:46 that this is the way they are all the time. 21:48 And so the question was how do we help educate the family. 21:51 Well, first you have, have to demonstrate to the family 21:54 that when you are not either in depressed 21:56 or manic stage that you can actually function 21:58 in a stable way and most of my patients 22:00 who have bipolar disorder, when we get them 22:02 on proper regiment, they actually are very stable 22:04 for long periods of time and functioning completely 22:06 normally and don't have symptoms that would cause anybody 22:09 to think there will be a need to step in. 22:11 So I think the first step would be that, 22:13 you would need to make sure that you are taking responsibility 22:16 and living in a high functioning way 22:17 in every aspect of your life. 22:19 Then you would want to go and educate your family 22:20 that you appreciate their interventions in your life 22:23 when you have those moments 22:24 where you need their help and oversight. 22:26 And then may be draw up an agreement with them 22:28 about certain symptoms when they manifest 22:31 that's when you want them to step in and help you. 22:33 So, Brenda, there is a plan for you, 22:35 you catch all that? 22:36 I think she is gone. 22:38 Okay, well Brenda, thank you for your call here. 22:40 Ah, that's good advice, 22:42 you know, you have to sort of prove yourself. 22:44 Yeah. Prove yourself, they are going save her. 22:46 We have a question from California here. 22:48 It says this person wants to know the relationship 22:51 between Parkinson's disease and depression 22:54 and they also that's part one and is there anything 22:58 that he can do for it. 22:59 Yes, a great question. 23:01 And its interesting, Parkinson's disease is neurodegenerative. 23:04 The part of the brain that controls motor movement, 23:06 smooth motor movement with 23:08 the initiation of motor movement. 23:10 And we discover that with the brain, 23:11 it not controls motor movement but it also initiates thinking. 23:15 And so if you know anybody with Parkinson's disease, 23:17 you will notice not only do they have less 23:19 spontaneous movement of their body they have 23:22 less spontaneous expression of their face and less 23:25 spontaneous thinking because the part of brain that initiates 23:29 those types of movements is a factor that it's degenerating. 23:32 And so, yes, there is a relationship 23:34 with Parkinson's disease because neurons are dying in the brain 23:36 that give us motivation, initiative, drive to get up 23:39 and go that gets us moving, they are dying, okay, 23:42 and that gets our-it gets our thoughts moving as well. 23:44 And what can be done for it in my understanding 23:47 what needs to be done is you need to see a Neurologist 23:49 and there needs to be some type of physical intervention. 23:53 And that physical intervention could be a deep brain 23:55 stimulator perhaps if you don't want medication. 23:58 I know there are some research on stem cell research 24:01 is going on in some places. 24:03 But the most common of course is various medications 24:05 of some kind to increase the amount of dopamine, 24:07 which is a neurotransmitter in the part of the brain 24:09 with the neuron that produce that are dying. 24:11 Wow, so I think that bring up a couple of things 24:14 that I want to talk to you about is this. 24:16 It seems like, you know, we talked about, 24:18 you know, like the thyroid affecting your brain, 24:20 so that one brain disease can trigger another brain disease. 24:22 There is no question. 24:25 Parkinson's can trigger depression. 24:26 Yeah, and people have depression one of the risk factors 24:29 for Alzheimer's dementia is having history of depression 24:31 because the history of depression as I went through 24:33 before is that inflammatory cascade 24:35 and the more inflammation you have throughout life increases 24:38 your inflammatory damage to your brain, 24:40 which is a factor for getting dementia later in life. 24:42 Wow. Yeah, and since 24:44 we are talking about inflammation, 24:46 I just want to throw this out there as well. 24:47 Recent study came out and showed that people 24:49 who eat fast food or junk food have a 40 % higher rate 24:53 of depression than people who eat 24:54 a more healthy holistic diet. 24:56 And the reason for this is, the fast food and junk food 24:58 is very highly inflammatory and you increase inflammation, 25:02 you held the whole cascade eventually 25:03 increase risk of depression. 25:04 So, lifestyle and healthy lifestyle, 25:06 our choices are very important in physical health 25:08 which promotes good brain health. 25:10 Wow, that's such-- I'm going to handle this one here. 25:12 One caller says, can daily stress affect 25:15 urinary symptoms, you know? 25:17 And I would say that is definitely possible. 25:20 It could affect urinary symptoms but you want to make sure 25:22 you don't have any other urinary tract problems. 25:25 If you are man, get your prostate evaluated, 25:29 if you are woman make sure 25:30 you don't have a urinary tract infection. 25:32 Remember any type of stress rips up the body. 25:35 And you know when the body is under stress, 25:37 it does things, it triggers things. 25:39 So if you want to get a exam on this and make sure 25:42 there is no other physical problem before you blain 25:44 these symptoms on stressing. 25:46 You know some people they have lots of stress, 25:48 they have to go to bathroom all the time 25:49 and things of that nature, so that stress is bad for, 25:52 it can make almost any organ system worse. 25:54 And Dr. Jennings we have a call coming up 25:57 from Indiana after the break, but we are just 26:00 glad you joined us here. 26:01 We are here with Dr. Tim Jennings. 26:03 He is president elect 26:05 at the Tennessee Psychiatric Association. 26:08 You can join us here by calling 855-644-3278. 26:13 You can join our ministry. 26:15 See what we are doing at heartriseministries.org. 26:18 We love for you to be one of our facebook friends. 26:21 And, you know, facebook is a way many people 26:23 are talking with each other. 26:24 We are learning about depression, 26:27 how it affects the body, lots of people 26:29 have it, it effects many of us. 26:30 So if you just joined us, come on in, 26:33 join the discussion, learn something about depression. 26:35 We have Dr. Tim Jennings who is serving us today 26:38 by giving his time to help us all learn more about depression. 26:41 Stay with us. 26:42 We are going to be back talking to Ursulin 26:44 from Indiana after a short break. 26:51 The Heart of Health Live will return in just a moment. 27:29 You have reached that point in life 27:30 where important decisions are being made. 27:33 A charitable gift annuity through 3ABN gives you a way 27:37 to financially provide for you, your spouse 27:40 and the ministry of 3ABN. 27:42 Many do not realize that they can fund 27:44 a charitable gift annuity, with as little as $5,000 27:47 for single annuity and $10,000 for joint annuity 27:51 for a husband and a wife. 27:53 Remember a charitable gift annuity may further reduce 27:57 your tax liability and it's a fixed interest rate 28:00 for life, based on your age. 28:03 I'm 94 years old and I earn over 9% on my investment. 28:09 For more information contact 28:12 3ABN Planned Giving and Trust Services. 28:15 By calling 800-886-4800 28:21 or go to our website, 3abn.org. 28:24 And click on the Planned Giving and Trust Services tab.. 28:31 Hi, I'm Dr. James Marcum, speaker 28:33 and director of Heartwise Ministries. 28:35 And at Heartwise our goal is to bring people into a relationship 28:39 with the heavenly Father, using modern medicine 28:41 and the healing principles down in the Bible. 28:44 We teach people if there is a place for modern medicine 28:47 in the healthy lifestyle but it is in a relationship 28:50 with their Creator where ultimate healing can occur. 28:53 Over the past years our ability to share this message of truth, 28:57 love and healing around the world 28:59 has increased exponentially, but to continue 29:02 this steady growth we need your help. 29:04 We are looking and pray for 100 individuals 29:08 willing to give $1,000 a year. 29:10 If the spirit is moving you to become 29:12 one of the Heartwise 100, won't you consider 29:15 donating online today at heartwiseministries.org. 29:34 You've got questions, we've got answers 29:36 on the Heart of Health Live. Welcome back. 29:39 We are glad you have taken time 29:41 out of your busy schedule to learn about depression. 29:44 We are also answering questions 29:46 in the field of psychiatry with Dr. Tim Jennings, 29:49 president elect at the Tennessee Psychiatric Association. 29:53 He is speaker, director, president whatever 29:56 of a ministry called comeandreason 29:58 and his website comeandreason.com, 30:00 we invite you to check that out as well. 30:03 Right now we have Erselin, I might have said from Indiana. 30:06 You are on with Dr. Tim Jennings, go ahead. 30:10 Hello Dr. Jennings, how are you? 30:11 Hello, how are you doing? Thanks for calling. 30:13 Thank you for taking my call. 30:15 The reason for the call is I have been, 30:17 I'll give you an elevator speech, 30:19 1985, I had a account of first panic attack, 30:23 I was actually in a car as a passenger 30:26 it progressed and got worst, so my medical doctor 30:32 who was a secular doctor, he put me on Xanax and Paxil, 30:36 so I ended up with Xanax for 30 years. 30:40 Now it's at the point that I had to take more Xanax than what was 30:44 because I found out it is an addicted medication 30:47 and now I'm not even able to at this point 30:52 to even be a rider on the highways. 30:54 Basically on a highway and where there is a stay, 30:57 so I have seen a psychiatrist and a therapist, 31:00 they were secular but I'm still on medication. 31:03 God got some awesome things for me to do in life 31:06 but it's holding me back, it's a strong hold 31:09 and I'm ready to get rid of this. 31:12 How would I, what would you suggest? 31:14 Well, you know, I'm glad you called 31:15 because-- panic episode is not unusual. 31:20 Almost everybody will have a panic episode 31:22 sometime in their life 31:23 but panic disorder is when somebody has recurrence 31:27 of recurring process of panic over and over again 31:30 and panic itself is actually very amenable to your thinking 31:35 and changes in thinking and perception. 31:37 And so one of the things that can happen, 31:39 I'll just give you a simple example 31:41 of the multiple contributing factors 31:44 and reasons why people are panic, 31:45 but I'll give you one simple example. 31:47 Just imagine you are in a circumstance 31:49 where somebody is holding your head underwater 31:51 and you know five seconds, no big deal, 31:54 may be 15 seconds no big deal, 31:56 but after 20,40,50 seconds, you know, 31:59 we are going to start panicking. 32:00 Anybody is going to start panicking 32:01 your head is underwater at a certain point. 32:03 Now when you are having that panic 32:05 if somebody comes swimming along 32:06 say Dr. Jennings is swimming along with his snorkel mask 32:08 and offer you some Xanax and help you relax 32:10 that's not really what you want. 32:12 What you want is you want your head above water. 32:14 Well, sometimes you can find yourself in situations in life 32:17 where you have so many things 32:18 and responsibilities coming down on us, 32:20 so many burdens, expectations, 32:22 demands, deadlines, people after us 32:25 and people will say, I just don't feel like 32:27 I can get my head above water 32:28 but they are not talking real water, 32:30 they are talking physiological water 32:31 but when you get in that circumstance 32:33 are actually panicking just like if they were under real water. 32:36 And that's just one example 32:38 and there are many other examples 32:40 that psychologically contribute 32:42 to the sense of drowning or the sense of panic. 32:45 Additionally one another one is that 32:47 once somebody had panic on more than one occasion, 32:49 they often become afraid of having another panic attack. 32:52 Yes, yes. Okay. 32:54 And the fear of having another panic attack 32:56 actually causes panic attack, okay. 32:59 And so one of the thing that teach my patients 33:01 and sometimes it takes more than one session to teach them this. 33:03 But I ask them and I'll ask you, 33:05 how many panic attacks have you had in your life? 33:07 Approximately, 10, 50, 100, 1000? 33:10 Over a 100. Okay. 33:12 And how many of them have killed you? None. 33:16 Okay, so have you figured out from your own experience 33:19 so far that is bad as they feel, they are not dangerous? 33:25 Yes. You are hesitated. 33:27 Because they feel, they feel really bad, don't they? 33:30 It makes me want to jump out-- 33:32 like my ex-husband had to lock the doors, 33:34 and I want to jump out of the car 33:36 and run into a building 33:38 or be somewhere in a building till that. 33:41 So the first thing you have to recognize 33:42 if you really want to move past this 33:43 is to recognize from your experience, 33:45 not because Dr. Jennings said it, 33:46 but from your experience that as bad as these feel, 33:49 they are not harmful, so that in your mind, 33:51 because what happens when people have had these, 33:52 they are so afraid of having another one, 33:54 they become hyper vigilant. 33:56 You begin monitoring your own body signals 33:58 and you look for the little short pain 34:00 that might be going through 34:01 as a gas bubble goes through your gut, 34:03 you go oh no, oh no, not another one 34:04 and you actually trigger the whole panic thing happening. 34:07 And so the first thing you have to do 34:08 is you have to stop being afraid of panic. 34:11 They can't harm you, they can only feel bad 34:13 and so you sift your mental attitude towards panic 34:15 from fear to dread or dislike. 34:19 Have you ever had menstrual cramps? Yes, I have. 34:22 And did they interfere with your functioning? 34:24 Yes, they did. And do you like them? 34:27 No, I didn't Are you afraid of them? 34:31 Ah, I was, no I wasn't afraid of them but-- 34:34 See that's the attitude you have to develop towards panic, 34:37 they can interfere you, you don't like them, 34:38 they don't feel good, but they are not dangerous, 34:39 I'm not going to be afraid of them any more. 34:41 If you can make that switch in your mind, 34:43 you will reduce your panic by 75% 34:45 without even doing anything else. 34:46 And then if you follow up with a good therapist, 34:48 they can help you under-- 34:49 get some of the other cognitive things 34:51 that are going on your mind that contribute to panic, 34:53 you can probably get these things 34:54 knocked out in a few months. 34:56 Hmm, thank you. All right, you take care. 34:58 Thanks for calling. Thank you, bye 35:00 You are welcome. Wow, wow. 35:02 That was some great, you know, 35:03 that must be scary to have those type of feelings 35:06 but that was some great advice. 35:08 We have another question, it's come in and says, 35:10 in depression are there some natural remedies 35:14 that I can do for depression? 35:16 Natural things depression. Okay, This is a great question. 35:18 And to answer the question I want people to remember 35:20 we talked about earlier, 35:22 how the brain circuits are out of balance, okay, 35:25 and how there is a high inflammatory cascade going on 35:27 that are pushing people to depression, 35:29 so to a degree we can reverse that process 35:32 then we can help treat 35:33 or put the brain back in the healthy direction. 35:36 So, a change in lifestyle, 35:41 removing the high inflammatory foods 35:45 adding in anti-inflammatory foods 35:48 which would be fruits, vegetables 35:50 and things like this that are high in antioxidants 35:53 and then there are certain nutrients 35:54 that are very important for brain help 35:55 that actually have shown to help mood stabilizing effects. 35:58 Omega 3 fatty acids and I won't go 36:00 into all the details in that right now. 36:01 If we have time we'll come back to it. 36:03 Antecedal cysteine, antecedal cysteine 36:04 is a mitochondrial membrane stabilizer, 36:06 mitochondria, little organelles 36:07 inside your cells that produce energy 36:09 but people have mood disorders they are dysfunctional, 36:11 they kick up lots of free radicals, 36:12 this is damaging to the brain. 36:14 When you take antecedal cysteine as a supplement, 36:16 it actually stabilizes those membranes 36:18 and actually improves not only cognition but stabilizes mood. 36:20 L-Methylfolate is metabolized version of folic acid, 36:24 only the metabolized version of folic acid 36:27 crosses the blood brain barrier 36:29 where it's a require co-factor for your brain 36:31 to make neuron transmitters like dopamine, 36:33 norepinephrine, serotonin. 36:34 Now this is what people need to hear. 36:35 70% of people with depression have a genetic mutation 36:39 where their body does not metabolize 36:42 folic acid from food to form the brain needs, 36:43 so even if they are getting it 36:44 in a regular vitamin or getting it in food, 36:47 if they have this genetic mutation, 36:48 it's not getting in the brain. 36:50 Antidepressants do not cause 36:53 the brain to make neurotransmitters. 36:55 Antidepressants effect the machine 36:57 where they transports them. 36:58 So if we use little analogy, 36:59 Little Debbie factory makes all debbies. 37:02 Trucks moves all the debbies around. 37:04 Antidepressants are working on the trucks. 37:06 Now the folic cause the factory to make more, 37:08 so if you have--now folic deficiency factory shutdown, 37:12 we give meds, we may speed up the trucks, 37:14 or effect the machinery that transports them, 37:16 but we don't know how many neuron transmitters, 37:17 so its not having a big clinical impact, 37:18 so this is another thing you can do. 37:20 Also physical exercise. Okay. 37:22 When you exercise regularly, 37:24 your muscles produce Interleukin-10 37:26 which is a very powerful anti-inflammatory, 37:28 Interleukin that suppresses those inflammatory factors 37:31 that we talked about earlier. 37:32 Also exercise causes the brain to producing endorphins 37:35 and enkephalins which help mood 37:38 and more importantly regular exercises 37:40 turns on multiple different neurotrophins. 37:42 Neurotrophins are proteins 37:43 that cause the brain to make new neurons. 37:45 So you will actually sprout new connections, make new neurons. 37:48 A study done of elderly people showed that 37:50 if they exercise regularly, they actually can measure 37:52 2% growth in the memory circuits of the brain, 37:55 it's called the hippocampus, 37:56 which reverse over two years of aging 37:58 just by exercising regularly. 37:59 So physical exercise is critical to good brain health. 38:02 So all of these things and then healthy spirituality. 38:05 If people meditate on a God of love 38:07 and worship the God of love, we can actually, 38:09 and I won't go into details how it work but the study showed 38:12 we can measure growth in their love circuit of the brain 38:14 and calm the fear circuit of the brain 38:16 from doing this within 30 days time. 38:18 We can actually see this kind of change happening. 38:20 But, if we worship and meditate on fear 38:23 inducing God construct, wrathful, punitive, 38:25 and appeasement needing God constructs, 38:27 this action is damaging to the brain 38:28 cause increase in fear, anxiety and inflammatory cascades, 38:31 so that's why we focus 38:33 on teaching people about God's love. 38:34 Yeah, that's great. 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Welcome back. 41:40 I'm glad you've stayed with us. 41:42 We're answering questions not only about depression 41:44 but about different mental illnesses, 41:48 I almost tripped over that word. 41:49 And it's a big deal, one in four of us suffer from it 41:52 the world we live in puts a lot of stress 41:54 and there's lots of physical things. 41:55 And if you have mental illness or think you might be getting it 41:58 this is what we want to treat. 41:59 We want to do these things, so we can prevent things. 42:02 We have a quick question here, this person is taking Zoloft, 42:05 is this a good medicine for depression? 42:09 It is no better nor any worse than 42:11 any of the other antidepressants on the market really. 42:14 The question is are you well on this with no side effects, 42:17 then it's a good medicine for you, so that's the deal. 42:21 The success rate of any of these? 42:22 They are basically all the same. 42:24 Yeah, not much-- 42:25 None is really being shown to be better than others. 42:26 And it's a sort of mix and match type of thing, isn't it? 42:28 Yeah, different people respond differently. 42:31 Some people do have a problem, others don't have. 42:34 And this is a question that deals with 42:36 watching Christian videos versus watching secular TV. 42:41 Can different types of things we can watch-- 42:42 For children or for adults? 42:43 For children, it says specific for children, 42:45 what type of thing should they should be watching? 42:48 Yeah, this is very critical. I'm going to-- 42:49 and before we answer the question, 42:51 you need to understand a little about normal brain development. 42:54 When a baby is born into the world, 42:55 the baby's brain has hundreds of millions of neurons 42:58 more at birth than that brain will have 43:00 by the time the baby is eight years of age. 43:02 In the first eight years of age 43:04 regardless of that child environment 43:06 if that is a healthy environment or not, 43:07 the brain is busy knocking off neurons 43:09 by the hundreds of millions. 43:11 That first, it doesn't too good. 43:13 But conceptualize that is Michelangelo block of marble 43:16 when Michelangelo gets it, 43:17 and Michelangelo block of marble when he is done with it. 43:20 When he is done with it, he has less marble 43:22 but he now has a masterpiece. 43:23 The brain comes into the world 43:25 prepared to be acted upon the education, 43:27 environment, experience, neural circuits 43:29 which should be in exercised and used will actually spin, 43:32 new neurons be recruited to it, 43:33 that neural circuit will get bigger and more complicated. 43:37 But neuron circuits which are not being used 43:38 will be pruned back and deleted. 43:41 Okay, this is normal brain physical development, 43:44 so when we understand that then we can think, 43:46 okay, what about television. 43:47 What it's going to do to brain, 43:48 and how it is going to effect it. 43:50 And the critical thing, a lot of people say, 43:52 well, is it rating- G rating versus R rating. 43:55 Is that the critical thing? It's not. 43:56 That's actually secondary. 43:58 The critical thing is whether it's the theatrical 44:00 entertainment in nature or educational in nature. 44:03 Theatrical television has its primary function on the brain 44:07 to activate the emotion circuits of the brain 44:09 while simultaneously turning off prefrontal cortex 44:12 where you reason and think. 44:14 The theatrical programming that we watch, 44:16 it wants to get an emotional reaction, 44:17 to get you laugh if it's a comedy, 44:19 to get you to cry if it's a drama, 44:20 to be get you to be afraid if it is a suspense, 44:22 to get you angry in some movies 44:24 but it's to get an emotionally reaction 44:26 and the more intense the emotion then better the programming. 44:30 And while simultaneously turning off your thinking part 44:33 and if you don't believe me, 44:34 if you watch theatrical television, 44:35 the next time you are watching your favorite show 44:37 actually start thinking about it. 44:38 Start asking critically the whole way through 44:40 what's so likely if this could happen in real life. 44:42 And if you do that you would certainly find 44:44 hey, this is enjoyable and we enjoy when we-- 44:47 I've have done this with friends and they say, 44:49 hey, you are not supposed to think about it, okay. 44:51 Okay, when you understand that, 44:53 then you understand the more television you watch, 44:55 the more activation of your emotion circuit you get. 44:58 The less activation of your prefrontal cortex 45:00 where you reason, think, plans, problem solve, 45:03 self restrains, self govern. 45:05 Okay, so when kids had adolescents 45:07 and they had the brain that's watching a lot of TV 45:10 then the hormones are gonna inflame those mood circuits, 45:12 they become moody, irritable, impulsive, they often act out 45:15 and they will often turn to alcohol and drugs 45:17 to try and calm down a circuitry 45:19 that their prefrontal cortex 45:20 is no longer capable of restraining. 45:22 And I won't go to the studies, 45:24 there's lot of studies that show and have documented this 45:27 that whether it's R rated or G rated programming, 45:30 if it's theatrical in nature 45:31 you have impairments in attention, 45:33 impairments in focus 45:34 and impairments in self-governance 45:36 and more impulsivity, these types of things 45:38 and the study done by Center Wall 45:40 published in Journal of the American Medical Association 45:43 actually showed that theatrical entertainment 45:45 increase the risk of-- 45:47 increase the rate of homicide in society, 45:49 because you become less-- 45:51 you become more disinhibited or less inhibited, 45:53 you can't restrain those impulses as much 45:56 where as educational television 45:58 did not show any of those problems 46:00 because educational television is designed 46:02 to exercise this prefrontal cortex. 46:03 So it really doesn't matter 46:04 if you are watching theatrical Christian programming 46:06 or theatrical non Christian programming, 46:08 you still firing emotion circuits 46:10 not prefrontal cortex circuit, 46:11 so you are not going to develop 46:12 the prefrontal cortex like you should. 46:14 And this is actually higher risk factor 46:15 in both behavior, attention disorders, 46:19 anxiety disorders and mood disorders, 46:20 all of them will be increased 46:22 if you watch a lot of theatrical program. 46:23 Wow, that's very interesting. 46:25 And fortunately our program that we are doing tonight, 46:27 this is educational programming 46:29 so you can watch this and record it 46:30 and like to go over and over again. 46:32 There you go, there you go. 46:33 And if want to, you can watch it on the website again, 46:36 that heartwiseministries.org, 46:39 and you can watch this program, it will be on all the time. 46:41 You can always go and download it 46:42 if you miss something that Dr. Jennings talk very fast 46:45 you can always go back and watch it again. 46:47 Kay, from Alabama. 46:48 You are on with Dr. Tim Jennings, go ahead. 46:52 I just wanted to share briefly with you 46:54 that in 1990 I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder 46:59 but I don't have extreme manic things 47:04 and I don't get extremely depress. 47:06 I have done a lot of research and I believe that I have PTSD 47:11 and I read a book called EMDR by Francine Shapiro 47:16 and the treatment seemed like-- 47:18 when I read book that they would be ideal for me 47:21 and I wanted to know if you know about EMDR 47:25 and what is your opinion of those treatments? 47:28 Thanks for calling, and I would like to first tell our audience 47:30 that bipolar disorder is one of the disorders 47:32 that's most commonly misdiagnosed. 47:35 About 70% of the time it's misdiagnosed. 47:38 Okay, and its missed on both sides of that equation. 47:40 Patients with it don't get diagnosed properly as bipolar, 47:43 and many patients get diagnosed as bipolar 47:46 who don't actually have bipolar. 47:47 And there is a lot of things that can mimic or look like it. 47:50 Attention deficit patients 47:51 because of the prefrontal cortex dysfunction, 47:53 can have mood instability 47:55 and get wrongly diagnosed as bipolar. 47:57 Post dramatic stress people particularly if the trauma 48:00 has happened in childhood not in adulthood, 48:02 generally they will go up with a lot of mood instability, 48:06 that can be misdiagnosed as bipolar disorder. 48:09 So now to you question about the EMDR. 48:11 This is a therapy that is designed to help people 48:15 with trauma issues process those trauma issues 48:19 and basically make different and new neural pathways 48:22 for handling those emotional memories 48:25 and basically while you are processing 48:27 the emotional memories, 48:28 they are having you to do some rapid eye movements 48:30 and the rapid eye movements are simultaneously activating 48:32 the neural circuits that fire the-- 48:37 you know motor movements of the eyes-- 48:38 and that seems to have an impact on what's going on in the brain, 48:42 so it allows you to process those things without going down 48:45 the same old recurrent habitual dysfunctional pathway, 48:49 so some people have found it very beneficial. 48:51 It would be reasonable for you to explore. 48:53 Kay, is it helping you? Did you try it? 48:55 I have not tried it yet, but I do have an appointment-- 48:59 the psychologist that I spoke to said that 49:02 three treatments would probably be all I would need, 49:06 so I'm really encouraged by that 49:08 because I have been on medication 49:10 for bipolar disorder since 1990. 49:13 Well, I encourage you to go try and see if that helps you. 49:16 Yeah, thank you very much. 49:17 That's what I wanted to hear. You are welcome. 49:19 You know that was very interesting Dr. Jennings 49:22 that you point out misdiagnosis, that's a large number. 49:26 A lot, it's huge. 49:27 Bipolar disorder is very difficult to diagnose. 49:30 People there, for instance when she first started talking about 49:33 I never had the high highs or the low lows 49:35 but had a lot of mood instability, 49:37 I thought she might be describing Cyclothymia 49:39 which is exactly that, two years or more 49:41 if somebody whose mood is just up and down 49:42 but never high higher or low low. 49:45 But, you know, she mentioned PTSD 49:47 and patients with childhood traumas 49:48 often have this mood instability, 49:50 they have difficult time regulating their mood. 49:52 So, I guess, you know, 49:53 when I see patients come to me in the office 49:55 and they are on these medicines for bipolar, 49:57 you know, three out of four misdiagnosis. 50:01 And you have some of these medicines 50:02 interfere with some of the medicines I give. 50:05 Well, you know, sometimes I said- 50:07 it doesn't mean the one you are saying is misdiagnosed. 50:09 Right, right, hope not, hope not, okay. 50:12 We are running out of time now. 50:14 We are just glad that doctor-- we got one more segment, 50:16 we gonna try to get your call real quick 50:18 of Jessica after the break, 50:19 but if you have any questions or concerns 50:21 go to our website heartwiseministries.org 50:24 and we are with you every week. 50:26 You can also watch these programs live, 50:27 and we are with Dr. Tim Jennings who is president elect 50:31 at the Tennessee Psychiatric Association. 50:33 His website comeandreason.org. 50:36 He has a great book out, Could It Be This Simple, 50:39 invite you to look at those resources as well, 50:42 and when are going to be back with Jessica 50:43 with a quick question after this break, so stay with us. 50:46 Jessica, we are going to be back with you 50:47 after just a moment. 50:51 The Heart of Health Live will return in just a moment. 50:59 I'm Dr. James Marcum and I talk to patient's everyday 51:03 who wants to know the truth in healthcare. 51:05 On our website heartwiseministries.org 51:08 you can have your questions answered. 51:10 You can read my blog where I talk about 51:12 interesting and controversial subjects in medicine. 51:15 You might choose to go to the radio or television sections 51:18 and learn more about all sorts of health topics. 51:21 Take the time and go to heartwiseministries.org. 51:52 Yes, there is a place for modern medicine 51:54 but that's not enough, 51:56 there is a place for lifestyle but that's not enough. 51:58 The real truth in medicine, the real truth in healing 52:01 comes from that relationship with the heavenly Father. 52:04 That relationship can show us the balance, 52:06 when to use modern medicine, when to use lifestyle, 52:09 and to use it for the right reasons. 52:11 Well, this book gives the solution 52:13 to the healthcare dilemma. 52:15 It answers the question, why am I sick. 52:19 How do I get better 52:20 and how can I have ultimate healing. 52:33 I like to think that one day when we get to heaven, 52:36 we are going to see a list of people, 52:38 people like Jared and Susan who were introduced to Jesus 52:43 because of something we said 52:44 or may be it was simple as a passing smile, 52:48 but these people will look into their past 52:50 and be able to say I'm here because of you. 52:54 Recently you may have heard that Heartwise Ministries 52:56 has began spreading the gospel to the young, 52:59 the old, the sick and the healthy 53:02 using this very television program. 53:04 But we need your help. 53:06 We want to take this type 53:07 of medical programming to the non-believer 53:10 and the person who has closed themselves off 53:12 to traditional forms of outreach. 53:14 If you believe as we do, and wants to support Heartwise, 53:18 so that together we can count more names on the tree of life. 53:21 Please consider donating today at heartwiseministries.org 53:25 that's heartwiseministries.org. 53:34 You've got questions, we've got answers 53:36 on the Heart of Health Live. Welcome back. 53:39 We are glad you joined us. 53:40 We are with Dr. Tim Jennings, 53:42 we are talking about psychiatric and mental illness 53:44 and Jessica, from Illinois, 53:46 You are on with Dr. Tim Jennings. 53:47 Go ahead with your question. 53:49 Yeah, what I want to ask 53:50 as I've had panic attacks for over 25 years 53:53 and you were talking to the previous caller 53:54 about changing your thinking 53:56 and I was wondering if I change my thinking 53:57 even after this long can I still get over this? 54:01 and is there any natural things 54:02 I can do to help in that direction? 54:04 Yeah, actually, have you seen a therapist? 54:08 Have you have gone to a psychotherapist 54:09 or a psychiatrist that does psychotherapy? 54:12 Well, I was on Xanax, I have been on Lexapro before 54:17 and I have also done counseling. 54:19 Yeah, well yes, the answer, the simple answer is yes. 54:22 Panic disorder regardless of how long you had it 54:25 is extremely amenable to change in thought processing 54:29 and so if you get with the right person 54:31 who can actually help you processes through in your mind 54:34 what it is that-- what's triggering these things. 54:37 Panic is with the rare exception if somebody who is got 54:40 a very, very rare disorder called pheochromocytoma 54:43 and that's extremely rare, 54:44 what is it one in several hundred thousand, okay, 54:47 and so I'm sure you don't have that 54:48 with a rare exception somebody like that 54:50 panic disorder almost always do to some type of thought 54:53 or presumption that you have 54:55 conscious or unconscious that triggers it, 54:57 so therapy is very,very-- 54:59 people, they respond to the therapy, 55:00 so if you haven't had that type of responding 55:03 find somebody else to go to. 55:05 Okay, thank you. You are welcome. 55:06 And you always do some shopping around, you know. 55:09 Right. They are not getting the job done. 55:11 Well, I'm going to tell you-- I'm going to tell you, 55:13 there is a flaw in the mental health system, 55:15 in the mental health system with the DSM, 55:17 DSM is Diagnostic Statistical Manual, 55:20 which is a great communication tool, helps us, 55:22 somebody says, I had depression. 55:23 Okay, I know something already. 55:25 It's great but what happens is 55:27 a lot of people going down with the symptom check list 55:29 and they make the diagnosis and now they think they-- 55:31 okay, you got this diagnosis panic. 55:33 Now I know what's wrong and we just give a medicine 55:35 and boom, you are out the door, 55:36 just because you have panic, 55:38 we have no idea why this person has panic. 55:40 We just know that they have this particular symptom 55:42 but we have to actually get to know this person, 55:43 their life, their setting, their circumstance, 55:45 what's going on with them, 55:46 that's actually causing this panic 55:48 before we can actually intervene. 55:49 Just saying you have panic doesn't tell us really anything 55:51 other than you have these symptoms but why. 55:53 So medicine, yeah, we can-- 55:54 we can hit the brain with certain meds 55:56 that will causes certain physiological result 55:58 for a transit period of time to make the symptoms go away, 56:00 but it will be like this 56:01 having somebody with the broken leg 56:02 and they say, I'm in really bad pain, 56:04 becaise I got a broken leg. 56:05 Okay, great, here is some morphine, 56:06 I give you pain medicine, it won't hurt, 56:08 that we haven't fixed leg. 56:10 James, this is what's going on with lot of psychiatrist, 56:12 they just throw meds, the numb things 56:13 but you don't fix what's actually broken 56:15 is causing in the first place. 56:16 We have to answer the question why, 56:19 why are these things happening? 56:20 Listen we have so many questions that have come in. 56:23 We are not going to be able to get through them all, 56:25 but we want to-- we are going to have Dr. Jennings back again 56:27 and we will keep answering your questions. 56:29 You can go to website heartwiseministries.org 56:31 and we will try to address 56:33 some of these issues that you might have. 56:35 Dr. Jennings we have a little bit of time left. 56:37 What would you like to leave with our audience today 56:39 some parting words here. 56:40 Well, what I would like to say to the audience 56:41 is that God has constructed life 56:43 to operate in certain protocols, 56:45 principles, some call these laws, 56:46 that life is build operate upon. 56:48 If we physical, relational, spiritual, psychological, 56:53 if we live in harmony with those laws, 56:54 we are healthier and then 56:55 because we are healthier we are happier. 56:57 If we break those laws and those protocols, 56:59 then what happens is we start experiencing problems, 57:03 first initial pain, discomfort 57:05 and then disease and then dysfunction. 57:07 And so I would encourage you to understand 57:09 God's design for life and live in harmony with it. 57:11 Thank you and we want to thank each one of you for watching. 57:14 We want to thank Dr. Jennings for so giving his time 57:18 to answer your question, there is no bills with it. 57:21 We also want to remind you that 57:22 there is a place for modern medicine. 57:24 There is a place for lifestyle 57:26 but it's in that relationship with the heavenly Father 57:28 that we can all be assured 57:30 that we are going to be find healing. 57:32 Well, you can join us every week 57:33 at this time on your local station. 57:35 We are glad you joined us, 57:37 become one of our facebook friends, 57:39 when I talk about Dr. Jennings book, Could It Be This Simple? 57:42 And his new one coming out later this year 57:43 called The God-Shaped Brain. 57:45 Thanks for joining us. 57:46 We are going to be back next time. |
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