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Welcome, welcome,
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We have some very
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We are going to be
talking about depression
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and unfortunately up to
one in four of us suffer
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some form of depression or
some element of depression,
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so it's something that
everyone wants to learn about,
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if not only for you
friends you can help
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a lot of people by listening.
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We have an expert in
the field of depression
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with us this
evening is Dr. Tim Jennings.
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Dr. Tim Jennings
actually practices
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and sees real
patients' everyday.
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He takes care of lots of people.
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He is also the president elect
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at the Tennessee Psychiatric
Association that's a big word,
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but that means that he is
well known amongst his peers
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and they respect
what he has done.
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He is an author
of two great books,
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one of which is on
bookshelves right now called
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"Could It Be This Simple?
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Another one that's going
to come out later in the year
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about probably April
or May, you can start
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talking about preordering it.
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But these books I have read
personally and they also shape
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the way I treat
cardiology because I realize
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that all
disease, much of disease
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we have comes from the brain.
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And unfortunately
when a brain is depressed,
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it doesn't feel good,
it effects the entire body,
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raises a chance of
infection, raises a chance
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of cardiovascular disease,
raises a chance of accidents
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and miss days at worst.
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It hurts our
relationships with each other.
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It also hurts our
relationship with God.
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So this is a
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on the Heart of
Health Live. Welcome back.
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If you just joined us, we
are talking about depression
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and we are so glad that
Dr. Tim Jennings has joined us.
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Dr. Jennings, thanks
for giving us your time.
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Thanks for having me.
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Listen, tell us
what got you interested
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in the field of psychiatry?
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So many branches of medicine
you could have gone into.
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You know, when I
decided to med-school,
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my plan was to
be a cardiologist.
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Okay. Yeah, yeah,
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but then in med-school,
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I obviously went to
the various rotations
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and when I went to the
rotation for psychiatry,
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I discovered that
the brain is actually
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the most complex
organ in our body.
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You know since I
was drawn to the,
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the complexity of
the brain and the mind
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and that's why I
went into that field.
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So, to become a
psychiatrist, you have to become
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a medical
doctor first? MD, yeah.
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And you learn about
all the fields in medicine?
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Absolutely. Okay, and then
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what do you do beyond that?
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And then we have a four
year residency in psychiatry
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that has a heavy
emphasis on neurology.
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One third of psychiatrist,
the board certification
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exams is actually neurology.
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So there is a really
heavy emphasis on understanding
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the brain and neuroscience
in order to be a psychiatrist.
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Okay, and then
after you finished that,
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I guess you have been
practicing for a while?
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I have been practicing
for over 20 years now.
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Now, what got you
interested in writing books?
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Well, I got interest in
writing books was patients
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that would come
to and have problems,
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and so many misunderstandings
and so few resources out
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there that actually put
a balance in what I really
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have a passion for
is integrating science
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and scripture, integrating
what I understand how God
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designed life to
operate with the evidences
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that we have before us
in the scientific world
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and bringing those two
together in a way that people
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can understand it in a
right functioning to their life.
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Wow, now if you
look at society now,
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I think our mental
health is as bad as ever been
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in the history of the
earth, would you agree?
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I wouldn't
disagree, I would tell you,
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I've never thought of that like
that thorough the whole history.
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I mean, you think about it,
it's a major medical problem
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and it's like we
have to deal with it.
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Just give us since we
gonna focus on some depression.
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Just tell me about depression,
let our readers know,
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give us a sort
of brief overview.
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You know, when
somebody is depress,
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it's actually a physical
illness of brain and body.
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The part of the brain that
we reason and think right here,
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behind our forehead,
this part of the brain
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it organizes plans and it
also modulates mood is depressed
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or suppressed, it's
not active as normal
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when someone is depressed.
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So the person who is depressed
has trouble thinking clearly,
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concentrating problem solving,
part of the brain right above
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the orbit of your eye
is the part of the brain
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that gives you a
conviction of wrong doing,
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redirects from
inappropriate behavior.
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And so if you were
at church this weekend
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and you try to stand up
and take your clothes off
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in front of everyone, okay.
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This part of the brain
would start fighting like crazy
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and you get really uncomfortable
and stressed and feel because
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this part of the
brain is trying to redirect
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you to get you to stop
this inappropriate behavior.
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When someone is
depressed, this part of brain
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is actually over active.
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So they get a
sense of it of guilt,
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the sense of inadequacy,
the sense of everything
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they do is not good
enough or not right.
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A part of the brain
behind the bridge of the nose
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about few inches
back it is called
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anterior cingulate cortex.,
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this part of the brain
where it makes empathy,
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compassion, connected
this with all the people
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and it's also the
place you make decisions.
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And this part of the
brain when someone is depressed
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is under active, so people
feel emotionally disconnected
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and they have
difficult time making decisions.
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The part of the brain
where you experience fear called
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the amygdala is
overactive in depression,
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so people also have the
sense of apprehension and dread,
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worry, anxiety and
then the part of the brain
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which brings
pleasure, all pleasure
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called the nucleus accumbens
whether it's that runner's high,
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whether it's your favorite food,
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whether it's just
fell in love, all pleasure.
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When someone is depressed,
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this part of the
brain is not reacting.
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So when people are depressed,
there is this consolation
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of symptoms based on the brain
circuitry is out of balance,
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where they have
trouble concentrating,
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focusing, they have
trouble with decision making,
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they have emotional disconnect,
they feel guilty and inadequate
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in everything they do,
they have a sense of dread
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and worry and apprehension.
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And then when things
actually go good in their life,
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there is no joy in life anymore.
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Now, when the brain circuit
you have to balance like this,
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the fear circuitry is
overactive and peripherally
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what does that in your
body is it actually activates
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your immune system
causing inflammatory cascade.
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This is devastating to the body,
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the elevated
inflammatory cascade
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results in insulin resistance,
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in the phase of high
stress and high stress causes
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the stress
hormones, glucocorticoids
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to release which
means it's pumping glucose
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into your bloodstream
for the fighter flight stress
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response but now we are
having inflammatory cascade
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causing insulin resistance,
so we are not able to use
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that glucose as
well, so there is chronic,
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there is chronic imbalance
it happens with depression
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from the brain
circuits cause increasing risk
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as you mentioned in your opening
of cardiovascular disease,
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obesity, diabetes,
hypercholesterolemia, stroke,
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even bone density
problems go--we have problem
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with osteopenia, osteoporosis
for people who are depressed.
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Now, this inflammatory
cascade one final steps
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is a three way process here.
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Brain circuit are out of balance
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causing
inflammatory cascade cause
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physiological health problem,
that inflammatory cascade
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now reacts back upon the
brain causing failure or damage.
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Cells in the brain
begin to be damaged,
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I'm walking
through all the technical
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half way through that happens.
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We actually lose brain volume,
puts the brain for shrinking.
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Now, I brought us a
functional scan to show our
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audience and on the
left we have a brain
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that is not
depressed and on the right here
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we have a brain
that's depressed.
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And what we're actually
seeing here is the bright areas
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are cells that are using
glucose, they are firing,
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they are talking to
each other, they are active
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and the cells that are
dark, that are not doing.
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These are not dead
cells, it's not a stroke here.
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These cells are just dormant.
They are not just active.
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They are kind of just
centering not doing much
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and that's what
happening in the brain
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of people who are depressed.
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Wow, there are
lot of stuff going on,
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so the diagnosis of depression.
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You mentioned
some of the symptoms.
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Is you're just
talking to people,
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you tell if they have
these brain or you have
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to scan everybody?
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You can do, you actually
certainly could do a scan
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but there is no
need to do a scan
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if you have an
experienced healthcare provider
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who knows what
they are looking for.
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But you know, somebody
can come in and look like
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they are depressed and
not actually be depressed
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and that's why it does take
somebody who has some clinical
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experience to know how
to differentiate between
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somebody who
actually has depression
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and somebody who doesn't.
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Now what's interesting
is just when somebody
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has depression, we have
this physiological process
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going on that still doesn't
tell us why they have depression
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and that's the
critical thing to wellness.
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To get somebody well, it's
not just enough to say okay,
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you got depression,
you have to then start
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asking those critical questions
and this particular person
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who sits in my office right now.
00:12:09.09\00:12:10.40
What's going on in their
life, their brain circuits,
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in their body
inflammatory cascade is out
00:12:13.65\00:12:16.89
that are actually
causing depression.
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So if you remember have
those circuits right in balance
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I've just described
anything going on in life
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that will imbalance
the circuits that way.
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Decrease, there's a
lot of prefrontal cortex up
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regulate your
circuitry for instance.
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Anything it does that will
push people under depression
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or anything that causes
higher inflammation in the body
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will push people
towards depression.
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And so we have
multiple different avenues
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that we can, we can
push people in the direction
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of depression and so
when someone is depressed,
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we have to look at them
as a total package and say,
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okay, what is going
wrong where and then begin
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a whole treatment
plan to get their body
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and their brain back in balance.
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Right, so depression might
just be something physical.
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Depression is
something physical.
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Yeah, it's something physical
but something could trigger
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you know like a disease
could make depression come on.
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One of the major factors
of depression is the worsening
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physical health
problems you have.
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Every organ system of your
body has its primary purpose
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to serve your brain. Right.
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Okay. So the more
physical illness you have,
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the less effective your body
can keep your brain healthy,
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so the more
you're pushed towards
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brain
dysfunction and depression.
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So when you think a
person might have this,
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one of the first
things I guess you would
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do is the complete
physical and make sure
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that's not contributing factors.
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Actually, certainly
we want them to have
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a complete physical
exam, get lab work done,
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hypothyroidism, certain
sleep disorders are contributing
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factors to depression.
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Lot of these
things are involved.
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So once you look
at all that and say,
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listen I corrected
this and I corrected that.
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We are going to talk a
little bit about this specific
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as we go on today
about how you address
00:13:43.22\00:13:45.76
this complex medical problem.
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So depression is pretty -
now you got the brain there,
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you know, which
is the part that does
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the thinking
for those who don't.
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This, the part of the
brain here in the front,
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this is the
dorsolateral prefrontal cortex.
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This is the part
where we reason and think.
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When someone is
depressed, it's not as active.
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Okay. And this
is the part we want
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to turn back on
and there are certain
00:14:04.35\00:14:06.97
avenues through
which this can happen.
00:14:07.00\00:14:09.75
One is you are talking
about physical health problems
00:14:09.78\00:14:12.10
but also the
thoughts that we have,
00:14:12.13\00:14:15.07
if people are taking
actions that are out of harmony
00:14:15.10\00:14:19.30
with God's design
and then had guilt.
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For instance guilt can disrupt
00:14:21.09\00:14:22.59
the circuitry
on result of guilt.
00:14:22.62\00:14:24.17
So the first thing you do not
do is just reach for medicine.
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What medicines, you
know, we should talk about
00:14:27.76\00:14:30.14
that because there is a place
00:14:30.17\00:14:31.21
but they are really over used.
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And that's the first
thing you think about.
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Yeah. We need
to talk about that.
00:14:34.36\00:14:35.61
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00:14:35.74\00:14:37.32
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Our guest this evening
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if just joined us
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He is a
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He is president elect
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at the Tennessee
Psychiatric Association.
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He has written some
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His website, one of his
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And Dr. Jennings we were talking
00:17:56.96\00:17:58.59
a little bit about medications.
00:17:58.62\00:17:59.96
You know, sometimes our
patients come in and they say
00:17:59.99\00:18:01.94
they talked to their family
physician and they gave me
00:18:01.97\00:18:04.85
this medicine right away.
00:18:04.88\00:18:06.36
Is that the way we
should be doing things?
00:18:06.39\00:18:08.09
I will tell you, in
America the number one treatment
00:18:08.12\00:18:09.94
for depression
is antidepressants.
00:18:09.97\00:18:12.48
But they are overused
and they often don't work.
00:18:12.51\00:18:14.86
In fact there was a study done
00:18:14.89\00:18:15.92
by the National Institute of
Health where they took patients,
00:18:15.95\00:18:18.23
they were
cherry picked patients,
00:18:18.26\00:18:19.43
when I say cherry picked,
00:18:19.46\00:18:20.65
either never been treated before
or if they had ever been treated
00:18:20.68\00:18:22.90
they always got well,
so they excluded people
00:18:22.93\00:18:25.43
who failed to respond
and then they put them
00:18:25.46\00:18:27.49
on one of the SSRI medications.
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How many percent
of those patients
00:18:29.80\00:18:31.50
do you think got well?
00:18:31.53\00:18:32.68
I don't know, how many?
00:18:32.71\00:18:34.18
27%, 73% of the patients did
not get well on antidepressants.
00:18:34.21\00:18:37.51
And then they would,
went through a whole series
00:18:37.54\00:18:39.26
but the point is
every time they switch them,
00:18:39.29\00:18:40.80
less percentage
got well than the 27%.
00:18:40.83\00:18:42.97
And so medicines as a single
00:18:43.00\00:18:45.21
and soul treatment
are not really ideal.
00:18:45.24\00:18:47.41
We want to look at
the person holistically
00:18:47.44\00:18:49.26
and one of the reasons
why medicines don't work well
00:18:49.29\00:18:51.32
and you get such low responses.
00:18:51.35\00:18:52.82
In order for-way
the medicines work?
00:18:52.85\00:18:54.63
May be the audience
would like to know this.
00:18:54.66\00:18:56.20
When one neuron wants
to talk to another neuron,
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the neuron releases chemical
00:18:58.38\00:19:00.21
in the little gap
called the synapse.
00:19:00.24\00:19:01.73
When the neuron that releases
the chemical has released it,
00:19:01.76\00:19:04.26
there is a little vacuum
cleaners for reuptake pumps
00:19:04.29\00:19:06.27
that will suck
that back and repack
00:19:06.30\00:19:07.63
it for the next signal.
00:19:07.66\00:19:09.01
Medicines almost all
antidepressants block
00:19:09.04\00:19:10.99
those pumps, shut them
down, so when the neuron fires,
00:19:11.02\00:19:13.36
it leaves the chemical
out here in the space longer
00:19:13.39\00:19:15.45
but guess what happened if
we blocked it, it doesn't fire.
00:19:15.48\00:19:19.84
See if it's not releasing
if we block those pumps
00:19:19.87\00:19:21.78
is no big impact and
remember patients brains,
00:19:21.81\00:19:24.24
okay, patients brains
when they are depressed
00:19:24.27\00:19:26.26
like this, his neurons
are not firing normally.
00:19:26.29\00:19:28.00
And so this is one significant
reason why antidepressants
00:19:28.03\00:19:32.02
don't work well
for lot of people.
00:19:32.05\00:19:33.41
Not to mention all
the risks and side effect
00:19:33.44\00:19:35.64
and other problems
you get with them..
00:19:35.67\00:19:36.75
I'm glad that you understand
00:19:36.78\00:19:38.81
that because many people don't.
00:19:38.84\00:19:40.38
You know, they just right
00:19:40.41\00:19:41.48
to the medicines first of all.
00:19:41.51\00:19:43.57
Brenda, you are
on with Dr. Jennings.
00:19:43.60\00:19:45.66
Can you go ahead and ask
your question or comment?
00:19:45.69\00:19:50.07
Hello, hello, Brenda. Yes.
00:19:50.10\00:19:52.85
Okay, go ahead. You
are on with Dr. Jennings.
00:19:52.88\00:19:55.50
Okay, Dr. Jennings. Yes.
00:19:55.53\00:19:58.25
My family, well first
of that manic depression
00:19:58.28\00:20:04.31
bipolar and
schizophrenic tendency.
00:20:04.34\00:20:09.80
My family treat me
as if I'm a retard,
00:20:09.83\00:20:17.09
they want to take over my
life and hold on to my money
00:20:17.12\00:20:22.36
which I had put in my,
you know, in sisters name
00:20:22.39\00:20:27.05
and my name, it was my mistake.
00:20:27.08\00:20:30.36
But she is dead now but
they still don't trust me.
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Did you have a
question for me Brenda?
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Yes, how do you get
your family to understand?
00:20:37.80\00:20:42.56
Mental illness
00:20:42.59\00:20:44.26
Yeah, so, thanks
for calling Brenda.
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First off for the
audience, let me clarify.
00:20:46.85\00:20:49.01
She mentioned she had bipolar
disorder manic depression,
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the old terminology for this
illness was manic depression.
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And in 1980 it was
actually officially
00:20:56.07\00:20:58.11
changed to bipolar disorder.
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So bipolar disorder and
manic depression are technically
00:20:59.47\00:21:02.09
the same illness, so
it's the same illness.
00:21:02.12\00:21:05.14
And this the illness
in which you not only
00:21:05.17\00:21:06.61
have depressions,
you then have elevated
00:21:06.64\00:21:09.23
periods of excess and
expansive energy with the mood,
00:21:09.26\00:21:13.38
decreasing for sleep, raising
thoughts and often times,
00:21:13.41\00:21:16.81
sometimes people on
a full manic episode
00:21:16.84\00:21:18.69
will become have a
lost of touch with reality
00:21:18.72\00:21:22.09
where they become grandiose,
delusional and so forth.
00:21:22.12\00:21:25.89
If that's
happening, then what happens
00:21:25.92\00:21:27.94
is many families
will have to step in to,
00:21:27.97\00:21:31.12
you know, intervene to
help protect the person
00:21:31.15\00:21:33.56
from spending money
that they don't have,
00:21:33.59\00:21:35.25
going into terrible
debt and making impossible
00:21:35.28\00:21:37.16
decisions that are destructive.
00:21:37.19\00:21:38.40
Unfortunately what can
happen now is when that happens
00:21:38.43\00:21:41.66
on an occasion because of
a moment of decomposition,
00:21:41.69\00:21:44.63
the family can
sometimes they conclude
00:21:44.66\00:21:46.81
that this is the way
they are all the time.
00:21:46.84\00:21:48.55
And so the question was how
do we help educate the family.
00:21:48.58\00:21:51.47
Well, first you have, have
to demonstrate to the family
00:21:51.50\00:21:54.76
that when you are
not either in depressed
00:21:54.79\00:21:56.45
or manic stage that
you can actually function
00:21:56.48\00:21:58.49
in a stable way
and most of my patients
00:21:58.52\00:22:00.73
who have bipolar
disorder, when we get them
00:22:00.76\00:22:02.30
on proper regiment,
they actually are very stable
00:22:02.33\00:22:04.47
for long periods of time
and functioning completely
00:22:04.50\00:22:06.71
normally and don't have symptoms
that would cause anybody
00:22:06.74\00:22:09.47
to think there will
be a need to step in.
00:22:09.50\00:22:11.13
So I think the
first step would be that,
00:22:11.16\00:22:13.24
you would need to make sure that
you are taking responsibility
00:22:13.27\00:22:16.05
and living in a
high functioning way
00:22:16.08\00:22:17.78
in every aspect of your life.
00:22:17.81\00:22:19.14
Then you would want to
go and educate your family
00:22:19.17\00:22:20.89
that you appreciate their
interventions in your life
00:22:20.92\00:22:23.48
when you have those moments
00:22:23.51\00:22:24.67
where you need
their help and oversight.
00:22:24.70\00:22:26.73
And then may be draw
up an agreement with them
00:22:26.76\00:22:28.95
about certain
symptoms when they manifest
00:22:28.98\00:22:31.23
that's when you want
them to step in and help you.
00:22:31.26\00:22:33.41
So, Brenda, there
is a plan for you,
00:22:33.44\00:22:35.20
you catch all that?
00:22:35.23\00:22:36.87
I think she is gone.
00:22:36.90\00:22:38.34
Okay, well Brenda,
thank you for your call here.
00:22:38.37\00:22:40.69
Ah, that's good advice,
00:22:40.72\00:22:42.94
you know, you have to
sort of prove yourself.
00:22:42.97\00:22:44.47
Yeah. Prove yourself,
they are going save her.
00:22:44.50\00:22:46.13
We have a question
from California here.
00:22:46.16\00:22:48.94
It says this person
wants to know the relationship
00:22:48.97\00:22:51.84
between Parkinson's
disease and depression
00:22:51.87\00:22:54.91
and they also that's
part one and is there anything
00:22:54.94\00:22:58.78
that he can do for it.
00:22:58.81\00:22:59.89
Yes, a great question.
00:22:59.92\00:23:01.18
And its interesting, Parkinson's
disease is neurodegenerative.
00:23:01.21\00:23:04.15
The part of the brain
that controls motor movement,
00:23:04.18\00:23:06.73
smooth motor movement with
00:23:06.76\00:23:08.01
the initiation
of motor movement.
00:23:08.04\00:23:10.15
And we discover
that with the brain,
00:23:10.18\00:23:11.57
it not controls motor movement
but it also initiates thinking.
00:23:11.60\00:23:15.40
And so if you know anybody
with Parkinson's disease,
00:23:15.43\00:23:17.51
you will notice not
only do they have less
00:23:17.54\00:23:19.56
spontaneous movement
of their body they have
00:23:19.59\00:23:22.93
less spontaneous expression
of their face and less
00:23:22.96\00:23:25.46
spontaneous thinking because
the part of brain that initiates
00:23:25.49\00:23:29.70
those types of movements is a
factor that it's degenerating.
00:23:29.73\00:23:32.31
And so, yes,
there is a relationship
00:23:32.34\00:23:34.21
with Parkinson's disease because
neurons are dying in the brain
00:23:34.24\00:23:36.82
that give us motivation,
initiative, drive to get up
00:23:36.85\00:23:39.48
and go that gets us
moving, they are dying, okay,
00:23:39.51\00:23:42.67
and that gets our-it gets
our thoughts moving as well.
00:23:42.70\00:23:44.72
And what can be done
for it in my understanding
00:23:44.75\00:23:47.68
what needs to be done is
you need to see a Neurologist
00:23:47.71\00:23:49.44
and there needs to be some
type of physical intervention.
00:23:49.47\00:23:53.59
And that physical intervention
could be a deep brain
00:23:53.62\00:23:55.72
stimulator perhaps if
you don't want medication.
00:23:55.75\00:23:58.21
I know there are some
research on stem cell research
00:23:58.24\00:24:01.44
is going on in some places.
00:24:01.47\00:24:03.22
But the most common of
course is various medications
00:24:03.25\00:24:05.22
of some kind to
increase the amount of dopamine,
00:24:05.25\00:24:07.95
which is a neurotransmitter
in the part of the brain
00:24:07.98\00:24:09.55
with the neuron that
produce that are dying.
00:24:09.58\00:24:11.58
Wow, so I think that
bring up a couple of things
00:24:11.61\00:24:14.62
that I want to talk
to you about is this.
00:24:14.65\00:24:16.31
It seems like, you
know, we talked about,
00:24:16.34\00:24:18.12
you know, like the
thyroid affecting your brain,
00:24:18.15\00:24:20.33
so that one brain disease can
trigger another brain disease.
00:24:20.36\00:24:22.50
There is no question.
00:24:22.53\00:24:25.16
Parkinson's can
trigger depression.
00:24:25.19\00:24:26.82
Yeah, and people have depression
one of the risk factors
00:24:26.85\00:24:29.48
for Alzheimer's dementia is
having history of depression
00:24:29.51\00:24:31.77
because the history of
depression as I went through
00:24:31.80\00:24:33.71
before is that
inflammatory cascade
00:24:33.74\00:24:35.61
and the more inflammation you
have throughout life increases
00:24:35.64\00:24:38.38
your inflammatory
damage to your brain,
00:24:38.41\00:24:40.07
which is a factor for
getting dementia later in life.
00:24:40.10\00:24:42.69
Wow. Yeah, and since
00:24:42.72\00:24:44.89
we are talking
about inflammation,
00:24:44.92\00:24:46.29
I just want to throw
this out there as well.
00:24:46.32\00:24:47.93
Recent study came out
and showed that people
00:24:47.96\00:24:49.85
who eat fast food or junk
food have a 40 % higher rate
00:24:49.88\00:24:53.16
of depression
than people who eat
00:24:53.19\00:24:54.68
a more healthy holistic diet.
00:24:54.71\00:24:56.47
And the reason for this
is, the fast food and junk food
00:24:56.50\00:24:58.76
is very highly inflammatory
and you increase inflammation,
00:24:58.79\00:25:02.21
you held the
whole cascade eventually
00:25:02.24\00:25:03.51
increase risk of depression.
00:25:03.54\00:25:04.78
So, lifestyle and
healthy lifestyle,
00:25:04.81\00:25:06.82
our choices are very
important in physical health
00:25:06.85\00:25:08.75
which promotes
good brain health.
00:25:08.78\00:25:10.61
Wow, that's such-- I'm
going to handle this one here.
00:25:10.64\00:25:12.69
One caller says,
can daily stress affect
00:25:12.72\00:25:15.53
urinary symptoms, you know?
00:25:15.56\00:25:17.12
And I would say that
is definitely possible.
00:25:17.15\00:25:20.03
It could affect urinary symptoms
but you want to make sure
00:25:20.06\00:25:22.74
you don't have any
other urinary tract problems.
00:25:22.77\00:25:25.17
If you are man, get
your prostate evaluated,
00:25:25.20\00:25:29.11
if you are woman make sure
00:25:29.14\00:25:30.35
you don't have a
urinary tract infection.
00:25:30.38\00:25:32.20
Remember any type of
stress rips up the body.
00:25:32.23\00:25:35.43
And you know when
the body is under stress,
00:25:35.46\00:25:37.47
it does things,
it triggers things.
00:25:37.50\00:25:39.55
So if you want to get a
exam on this and make sure
00:25:39.58\00:25:42.49
there is no other physical
problem before you blain
00:25:42.52\00:25:44.71
these symptoms on stressing.
00:25:44.74\00:25:46.48
You know some people
they have lots of stress,
00:25:46.51\00:25:47.99
they have to go to
bathroom all the time
00:25:48.02\00:25:49.57
and things of that nature,
so that stress is bad for,
00:25:49.60\00:25:52.37
it can make almost
any organ system worse.
00:25:52.40\00:25:54.82
And Dr. Jennings we
have a call coming up
00:25:54.85\00:25:57.35
from Indiana after
the break, but we are just
00:25:57.38\00:26:00.33
glad you joined us here.
00:26:00.36\00:26:01.69
We are here with
Dr. Tim Jennings.
00:26:01.72\00:26:03.63
He is president elect
00:26:03.66\00:26:05.05
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00:26:05.08\00:26:08.24
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00:26:23.62\00:26:24.94
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00:26:24.97\00:26:27.08
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00:26:27.11\00:26:29.08
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00:26:29.11\00:26:30.72
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00:29:41.72\00:29:44.64
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00:29:44.67\00:29:46.33
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00:29:46.36\00:29:49.36
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00:29:49.39\00:29:53.39
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Right now we have Erselin, I
might have said from Indiana.
00:30:03.15\00:30:06.92
You are on with Dr.
Tim Jennings, go ahead.
00:30:06.95\00:30:10.12
Hello Dr. Jennings, how are you?
00:30:10.15\00:30:11.96
Hello, how are you
doing? Thanks for calling.
00:30:11.99\00:30:13.84
Thank you for taking my call.
00:30:13.87\00:30:15.74
The reason for the
call is I have been,
00:30:15.77\00:30:17.72
I'll give you
an elevator speech,
00:30:17.75\00:30:19.14
1985, I had a account
of first panic attack,
00:30:19.17\00:30:23.90
I was actually in
a car as a passenger
00:30:23.93\00:30:26.88
it progressed and got
worst, so my medical doctor
00:30:26.91\00:30:32.30
who was a secular doctor,
he put me on Xanax and Paxil,
00:30:32.33\00:30:36.47
so I ended up with
Xanax for 30 years.
00:30:36.50\00:30:40.31
Now it's at the point that I had
to take more Xanax than what was
00:30:40.34\00:30:44.08
because I found out it
is an addicted medication
00:30:44.11\00:30:47.62
and now I'm not even
able to at this point
00:30:47.65\00:30:52.37
to even be a
rider on the highways.
00:30:52.40\00:30:54.49
Basically on a highway
and where there is a stay,
00:30:54.52\00:30:57.45
so I have seen a
psychiatrist and a therapist,
00:30:57.48\00:31:00.38
they were secular but
I'm still on medication.
00:31:00.41\00:31:03.87
God got some awesome
things for me to do in life
00:31:03.90\00:31:06.62
but it's holding me
back, it's a strong hold
00:31:06.65\00:31:09.62
and I'm ready
to get rid of this.
00:31:09.65\00:31:11.97
How would I, what
would you suggest?
00:31:12.00\00:31:13.98
Well, you know,
I'm glad you called
00:31:14.01\00:31:15.09
because-- panic
episode is not unusual.
00:31:15.12\00:31:20.51
Almost everybody
will have a panic episode
00:31:20.54\00:31:22.75
sometime in their life
00:31:22.78\00:31:23.92
but panic disorder is
when somebody has recurrence
00:31:23.95\00:31:26.99
of recurring process of
panic over and over again
00:31:27.02\00:31:30.73
and panic itself is actually
very amenable to your thinking
00:31:30.76\00:31:35.25
and changes in
thinking and perception.
00:31:35.28\00:31:37.30
And so one of the
things that can happen,
00:31:37.33\00:31:39.92
I'll just give
you a simple example
00:31:39.95\00:31:41.56
of the multiple
contributing factors
00:31:41.59\00:31:44.31
and reasons why
people are panic,
00:31:44.34\00:31:45.56
but I'll give you
one simple example.
00:31:45.59\00:31:47.09
Just imagine you
are in a circumstance
00:31:47.12\00:31:49.10
where somebody is
holding your head underwater
00:31:49.13\00:31:51.50
and you know five
seconds, no big deal,
00:31:51.53\00:31:54.33
may be 15 seconds no big deal,
00:31:54.36\00:31:56.07
but after
20,40,50 seconds, you know,
00:31:56.10\00:31:59.27
we are going to start panicking.
00:31:59.30\00:32:00.33
Anybody is going
to start panicking
00:32:00.36\00:32:01.77
your head is
underwater at a certain point.
00:32:01.80\00:32:03.75
Now when you are
having that panic
00:32:03.78\00:32:05.24
if somebody comes swimming along
00:32:05.27\00:32:06.43
say Dr. Jennings is swimming
along with his snorkel mask
00:32:06.46\00:32:08.52
and offer you some
Xanax and help you relax
00:32:08.55\00:32:10.70
that's not really what you want.
00:32:10.73\00:32:12.32
What you want is you
want your head above water.
00:32:12.35\00:32:14.31
Well, sometimes you can find
yourself in situations in life
00:32:14.34\00:32:16.97
where you have so many things
00:32:17.00\00:32:18.34
and responsibilities
coming down on us,
00:32:18.37\00:32:20.52
so many burdens, expectations,
00:32:20.55\00:32:22.32
demands,
deadlines, people after us
00:32:22.35\00:32:25.06
and people will say,
I just don't feel like
00:32:25.09\00:32:27.05
I can get my head above water
00:32:27.08\00:32:28.39
but they are not
talking real water,
00:32:28.42\00:32:30.47
they are talking
physiological water
00:32:30.50\00:32:31.86
but when you get
in that circumstance
00:32:31.89\00:32:33.15
are actually panicking just like
if they were under real water.
00:32:33.18\00:32:36.62
And that's just one example
00:32:36.65\00:32:38.20
and there are
many other examples
00:32:38.23\00:32:40.23
that psychologically contribute
00:32:40.26\00:32:42.22
to the sense of
drowning or the sense of panic.
00:32:42.25\00:32:45.57
Additionally one
another one is that
00:32:45.60\00:32:47.13
once somebody had panic
on more than one occasion,
00:32:47.16\00:32:49.69
they often become afraid of
having another panic attack.
00:32:49.72\00:32:52.82
Yes, yes. Okay.
00:32:52.85\00:32:54.32
And the fear of
having another panic attack
00:32:54.35\00:32:56.27
actually causes
panic attack, okay.
00:32:56.30\00:32:59.40
And so one of the
thing that teach my patients
00:32:59.43\00:33:01.09
and sometimes it takes more than
one session to teach them this.
00:33:01.12\00:33:03.48
But I ask them and I'll ask you,
00:33:03.51\00:33:05.23
how many panic attacks
have you had in your life?
00:33:05.26\00:33:07.41
Approximately,
10, 50, 100, 1000?
00:33:07.44\00:33:10.59
Over a 100. Okay.
00:33:10.62\00:33:12.75
And how many of them
have killed you? None.
00:33:12.78\00:33:16.41
Okay, so have you figured
out from your own experience
00:33:16.44\00:33:19.17
so far that is bad as they
feel, they are not dangerous?
00:33:19.20\00:33:25.20
Yes. You are hesitated.
00:33:25.23\00:33:27.63
Because they feel, they
feel really bad, don't they?
00:33:27.66\00:33:30.77
It makes me want to jump out--
00:33:30.80\00:33:32.13
like my ex-husband
had to lock the doors,
00:33:32.16\00:33:34.55
and I want to
jump out of the car
00:33:34.58\00:33:36.42
and run into a building
00:33:36.45\00:33:38.01
or be somewhere in
a building till that.
00:33:38.04\00:33:41.07
So the first thing
you have to recognize
00:33:41.10\00:33:42.53
if you really
want to move past this
00:33:42.56\00:33:43.70
is to recognize
from your experience,
00:33:43.73\00:33:45.45
not because Dr.
Jennings said it,
00:33:45.48\00:33:46.83
but from your experience
that as bad as these feel,
00:33:46.86\00:33:49.01
they are not
harmful, so that in your mind,
00:33:49.04\00:33:51.24
because what happens
when people have had these,
00:33:51.27\00:33:52.75
they are so afraid
of having another one,
00:33:52.78\00:33:54.78
they become hyper vigilant.
00:33:54.81\00:33:56.28
You begin monitoring
your own body signals
00:33:56.31\00:33:58.44
and you look for
the little short pain
00:33:58.47\00:34:00.34
that might be going through
00:34:00.37\00:34:01.49
as a gas bubble
goes through your gut,
00:34:01.52\00:34:03.25
you go oh no, oh
no, not another one
00:34:03.28\00:34:04.94
and you actually trigger
the whole panic thing happening.
00:34:04.97\00:34:07.63
And so the first
thing you have to do
00:34:07.66\00:34:08.87
is you have to stop
being afraid of panic.
00:34:08.90\00:34:11.73
They can't harm you,
they can only feel bad
00:34:11.76\00:34:13.68
and so you sift your
mental attitude towards panic
00:34:13.71\00:34:15.88
from fear to dread or dislike.
00:34:15.91\00:34:19.08
Have you ever had
menstrual cramps? Yes, I have.
00:34:19.11\00:34:22.35
And did they
interfere with your functioning?
00:34:22.38\00:34:24.31
Yes, they did.
And do you like them?
00:34:24.34\00:34:27.60
No, I didn't Are
you afraid of them?
00:34:27.63\00:34:31.26
Ah, I was, no I
wasn't afraid of them but--
00:34:31.29\00:34:34.42
See that's the attitude you
have to develop towards panic,
00:34:34.45\00:34:37.11
they can interfere
you, you don't like them,
00:34:37.14\00:34:38.43
they don't feel good,
but they are not dangerous,
00:34:38.46\00:34:39.95
I'm not going to be
afraid of them any more.
00:34:39.98\00:34:41.66
If you can make
that switch in your mind,
00:34:41.69\00:34:43.37
you will reduce
your panic by 75%
00:34:43.40\00:34:45.22
without even
doing anything else.
00:34:45.25\00:34:46.93
And then if you follow
up with a good therapist,
00:34:46.96\00:34:48.75
they can help you under--
00:34:48.78\00:34:49.94
get some of the
other cognitive things
00:34:49.97\00:34:51.47
that are going on your
mind that contribute to panic,
00:34:51.50\00:34:53.54
you can
probably get these things
00:34:53.57\00:34:54.60
knocked out in a few months.
00:34:54.63\00:34:56.70
Hmm, thank you. All
right, you take care.
00:34:56.73\00:34:58.85
Thanks for
calling. Thank you, bye
00:34:58.88\00:35:00.74
You are welcome. Wow, wow.
00:35:00.77\00:35:02.44
That was some great, you know,
00:35:02.47\00:35:03.79
that must be scary to
have those type of feelings
00:35:03.82\00:35:06.11
but that was some great advice.
00:35:06.14\00:35:08.28
We have another
question, it's come in and says,
00:35:08.31\00:35:10.39
in depression are
there some natural remedies
00:35:10.42\00:35:14.57
that I can do for depression?
00:35:14.60\00:35:16.71
Natural things depression.
Okay, This is a great question.
00:35:16.74\00:35:18.46
And to answer the question
I want people to remember
00:35:18.49\00:35:20.83
we talked about earlier,
00:35:20.86\00:35:22.11
how the brain circuits
are out of balance, okay,
00:35:22.14\00:35:25.09
and how there is a high
inflammatory cascade going on
00:35:25.12\00:35:27.88
that are pushing
people to depression,
00:35:27.91\00:35:29.66
so to a degree we
can reverse that process
00:35:29.69\00:35:32.09
then we can help treat
00:35:32.12\00:35:33.65
or put the brain back
in the healthy direction.
00:35:33.68\00:35:36.16
So, a change in lifestyle,
00:35:36.19\00:35:41.56
removing the high
inflammatory foods
00:35:41.59\00:35:45.17
adding in
anti-inflammatory foods
00:35:45.20\00:35:48.36
which would be
fruits, vegetables
00:35:48.39\00:35:50.87
and things like this
that are high in antioxidants
00:35:50.90\00:35:53.00
and then there
are certain nutrients
00:35:53.03\00:35:54.17
that are very
important for brain help
00:35:54.20\00:35:55.68
that actually have shown to
help mood stabilizing effects.
00:35:55.71\00:35:58.54
Omega 3 fatty
acids and I won't go
00:35:58.57\00:36:00.23
into all the
details in that right now.
00:36:00.26\00:36:01.38
If we have time
we'll come back to it.
00:36:01.41\00:36:03.21
Antecedal
cysteine, antecedal cysteine
00:36:03.24\00:36:04.93
is a mitochondrial
membrane stabilizer,
00:36:04.96\00:36:06.74
mitochondria, little organelles
00:36:06.77\00:36:07.82
inside your cells
that produce energy
00:36:07.85\00:36:09.66
but people have mood disorders
they are dysfunctional,
00:36:09.69\00:36:11.37
they kick up
lots of free radicals,
00:36:11.40\00:36:12.84
this is damaging to the brain.
00:36:12.87\00:36:14.19
When you take antecedal
cysteine as a supplement,
00:36:14.22\00:36:16.52
it actually
stabilizes those membranes
00:36:16.55\00:36:18.10
and actually improves  not only
cognition but stabilizes mood.
00:36:18.13\00:36:20.84
L-Methylfolate is metabolized
version of folic acid,
00:36:20.87\00:36:24.63
only the metabolized
version of folic acid
00:36:24.66\00:36:26.98
crosses the blood brain barrier
00:36:27.01\00:36:29.22
where it's a require
co-factor for your brain
00:36:29.25\00:36:31.42
to make neuron
transmitters like dopamine,
00:36:31.45\00:36:33.17
norepinephrine, serotonin.
00:36:33.20\00:36:34.64
Now this is what
people need to hear.
00:36:34.67\00:36:35.90
70% of people with depression
have a genetic mutation
00:36:35.93\00:36:39.63
where their body
does not metabolize
00:36:39.66\00:36:42.01
folic acid from food
to form the brain needs,
00:36:42.04\00:36:43.89
so even if they are getting it
00:36:43.92\00:36:44.95
in a regular vitamin
or getting it in food,
00:36:44.98\00:36:47.28
if they have
this genetic mutation,
00:36:47.31\00:36:48.69
it's not getting in the brain.
00:36:48.72\00:36:50.15
Antidepressants do not cause
00:36:50.18\00:36:53.37
the brain to make
neurotransmitters.
00:36:53.40\00:36:55.43
Antidepressants
effect the machine
00:36:55.46\00:36:56.98
where they transports them.
00:36:57.01\00:36:58.09
So if we use little analogy,
00:36:58.12\00:36:59.64
Little Debbie
factory makes all debbies.
00:36:59.67\00:37:02.21
Trucks moves all
the debbies around.
00:37:02.24\00:37:04.13
Antidepressants are
working on the trucks.
00:37:04.16\00:37:06.42
Now the folic cause
the factory to make more,
00:37:06.45\00:37:08.91
so if you have--now folic
deficiency factory shutdown,
00:37:08.94\00:37:12.72
we give meds, we
may speed up the trucks,
00:37:12.75\00:37:14.35
or effect the
machinery that transports them,
00:37:14.38\00:37:16.01
but we don't know how
many neuron transmitters,
00:37:16.04\00:37:17.33
so its not having a
big clinical impact,
00:37:17.36\00:37:18.92
so this is
another thing you can do.
00:37:18.95\00:37:20.36
Also physical exercise. Okay.
00:37:20.39\00:37:22.63
When you exercise regularly,
00:37:22.66\00:37:24.11
your muscles
produce Interleukin-10
00:37:24.14\00:37:26.40
which is a very
powerful anti-inflammatory,
00:37:26.43\00:37:28.28
Interleukin that suppresses
those inflammatory factors
00:37:28.31\00:37:31.34
that we talked about earlier.
00:37:31.37\00:37:32.89
Also exercise causes the
brain to producing endorphins
00:37:32.92\00:37:35.79
and enkephalins which help mood
00:37:35.82\00:37:37.99
and more
importantly regular exercises
00:37:38.02\00:37:40.06
turns on multiple
different neurotrophins.
00:37:40.09\00:37:42.16
Neurotrophins are proteins
00:37:42.19\00:37:43.50
that cause the
brain to make new neurons.
00:37:43.53\00:37:45.95
So you will actually sprout new
connections, make new neurons.
00:37:45.98\00:37:48.53
A study done of
elderly people showed that
00:37:48.56\00:37:50.31
if they exercise regularly,
they actually can measure
00:37:50.34\00:37:52.73
2% growth in the
memory circuits of the brain,
00:37:52.76\00:37:55.30
it's called the hippocampus,
00:37:55.33\00:37:56.37
which reverse
over two years of aging
00:37:56.40\00:37:58.01
just by exercising regularly.
00:37:58.04\00:37:59.55
So physical exercise is
critical to good brain health.
00:37:59.58\00:38:02.49
So all of these things
and then healthy spirituality.
00:38:02.52\00:38:05.29
If people
meditate on a God of love
00:38:05.32\00:38:07.09
and worship the God
of love, we can actually,
00:38:07.12\00:38:09.68
and I won't go into details
how it work but the study showed
00:38:09.71\00:38:11.98
we can measure growth in
their love circuit of the brain
00:38:12.01\00:38:14.23
and calm the fear
circuit of the brain
00:38:14.26\00:38:16.62
from doing this
within 30 days time.
00:38:16.65\00:38:18.82
We can actually see this
kind of change happening.
00:38:18.85\00:38:20.78
But, if we worship
and meditate on fear
00:38:20.81\00:38:22.99
inducing God
construct, wrathful, punitive,
00:38:23.02\00:38:25.18
and appeasement
needing God constructs,
00:38:25.21\00:38:27.05
this action is
damaging to the brain
00:38:27.08\00:38:28.68
cause increase in fear, anxiety
and inflammatory cascades,
00:38:28.71\00:38:31.74
so that's why we focus
00:38:31.77\00:38:32.98
on teaching
people about God's love.
00:38:33.01\00:38:34.87
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I'm glad you've stayed with us.
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We're answering questions
not only about depression
00:41:42.41\00:41:44.77
but about
different mental illnesses,
00:41:44.80\00:41:47.97
I almost tripped over that word.
00:41:48.00\00:41:49.59
And it's a big deal, one
in four of us suffer from it
00:41:49.62\00:41:52.12
the world we live
in puts a lot of stress
00:41:52.15\00:41:54.20
and there's lots
of physical things.
00:41:54.23\00:41:55.61
And if you have mental illness
or think you might be getting it
00:41:55.64\00:41:58.65
this is what we want to treat.
00:41:58.68\00:41:59.93
We want to do these things,
so we can prevent things.
00:41:59.96\00:42:02.75
We have a quick question here,
this person is taking Zoloft,
00:42:02.78\00:42:05.90
is this a good
medicine for depression?
00:42:05.93\00:42:09.11
It is no better
nor any worse than
00:42:09.14\00:42:11.68
any of the other antidepressants
on the market really.
00:42:11.71\00:42:14.87
The question is are you well
on this with no side effects,
00:42:14.90\00:42:17.76
then it's a good medicine
for you, so that's the deal.
00:42:17.79\00:42:21.20
The success
rate of any of these?
00:42:21.23\00:42:22.96
They are basically all the same.
00:42:22.99\00:42:24.17
Yeah, not much--
00:42:24.20\00:42:25.53
None is really being
shown to be better than others.
00:42:25.56\00:42:26.73
And it's a sort of mix and
match type of thing, isn't it?
00:42:26.76\00:42:28.84
Yeah, different
people respond differently.
00:42:28.87\00:42:31.24
Some people do have a
problem, others don't have.
00:42:31.27\00:42:34.22
And this is a
question that deals with
00:42:34.25\00:42:36.70
watching Christian videos
versus watching secular TV.
00:42:36.73\00:42:41.46
Can different types
of things we can watch--
00:42:41.49\00:42:42.68
For children or for adults?
00:42:42.71\00:42:43.82
For children, it says
specific for children,
00:42:43.85\00:42:45.88
what type of thing
should they should be watching?
00:42:45.91\00:42:48.37
Yeah, this is very
critical. I'm going to--
00:42:48.40\00:42:49.89
and before we
answer the question,
00:42:49.92\00:42:51.41
you need to understand a little
about normal brain development.
00:42:51.44\00:42:54.12
When a baby is
born into the world,
00:42:54.15\00:42:55.54
the baby's brain has
hundreds of millions of neurons
00:42:55.57\00:42:58.57
more at birth than
that brain will have
00:42:58.60\00:43:00.73
by the time the baby
is eight years of age.
00:43:00.76\00:43:02.95
In the first eight years of age
00:43:02.98\00:43:04.26
regardless of
that child environment
00:43:04.29\00:43:06.01
if that is a
healthy environment or not,
00:43:06.04\00:43:07.41
the brain is busy
knocking off neurons
00:43:07.44\00:43:09.86
by the hundreds of millions.
00:43:09.89\00:43:11.82
That first, it doesn't too good.
00:43:11.85\00:43:13.59
But conceptualize that is
Michelangelo block of marble
00:43:13.62\00:43:16.08
when Michelangelo gets it,
00:43:16.11\00:43:17.73
and Michelangelo block of
marble when he is done with it.
00:43:17.76\00:43:20.42
When he is done with
it, he has less marble
00:43:20.45\00:43:22.28
but he now has a masterpiece.
00:43:22.31\00:43:23.92
The brain comes into the world
00:43:23.95\00:43:24.98
prepared to be
acted upon the education,
00:43:25.01\00:43:26.98
environment,
experience, neural circuits
00:43:27.01\00:43:29.61
which should be in exercised
and used will actually spin,
00:43:29.64\00:43:32.20
new neurons be recruited to it,
00:43:32.23\00:43:33.89
that neural circuit will
get bigger and more complicated.
00:43:33.92\00:43:37.00
But neuron circuits
which are not being used
00:43:37.03\00:43:38.91
will be pruned back and deleted.
00:43:38.94\00:43:40.99
Okay, this is normal
brain physical development,
00:43:41.02\00:43:44.24
so when we understand
that then we can think,
00:43:44.27\00:43:46.08
okay, what about television.
00:43:46.11\00:43:47.52
What it's going to do to brain,
00:43:47.55\00:43:48.58
and how it is
going to effect it.
00:43:48.61\00:43:50.32
And the critical
thing, a lot of people say,
00:43:50.35\00:43:52.02
well, is it rating- G
rating versus R rating.
00:43:52.05\00:43:55.49
Is that the
critical thing? It's not.
00:43:55.52\00:43:56.89
That's actually secondary.
00:43:56.92\00:43:58.33
The critical thing is
whether it's the theatrical
00:43:58.36\00:44:00.69
entertainment in nature
or educational in nature.
00:44:00.72\00:44:03.56
Theatrical television has its
primary function on the brain
00:44:03.59\00:44:07.19
to activate the
emotion circuits of the brain
00:44:07.22\00:44:09.63
while simultaneously
turning off prefrontal cortex
00:44:09.66\00:44:12.60
where you reason and think.
00:44:12.63\00:44:14.42
The theatrical
programming that we watch,
00:44:14.45\00:44:16.06
it wants to get an
emotional reaction,
00:44:16.09\00:44:17.56
to get you laugh
if it's a comedy,
00:44:17.59\00:44:19.03
to get you to
cry if it's a drama,
00:44:19.06\00:44:20.61
to be get you to be
afraid if it is a suspense,
00:44:20.64\00:44:22.48
to get you angry in some movies
00:44:22.51\00:44:24.81
but it's to get an
emotionally reaction
00:44:24.84\00:44:26.64
and the more intense the emotion
then better the programming.
00:44:26.67\00:44:30.53
And while simultaneously
turning off your thinking part
00:44:30.56\00:44:33.09
and if you don't believe me,
00:44:33.12\00:44:34.15
if you watch
theatrical television,
00:44:34.18\00:44:35.92
the next time you are
watching your favorite show
00:44:35.95\00:44:37.44
actually start
thinking about it.
00:44:37.47\00:44:38.71
Start asking
critically the whole way through
00:44:38.74\00:44:40.42
what's so likely if this
could happen in real life.
00:44:40.45\00:44:42.84
And if you do that
you would certainly find
00:44:42.87\00:44:44.40
hey, this is
enjoyable and we enjoy when we--
00:44:44.43\00:44:47.64
I've have done this
with friends and they say,
00:44:47.67\00:44:49.22
hey, you are not supposed
to think about it, okay.
00:44:49.25\00:44:51.71
Okay, when you understand that,
00:44:51.74\00:44:53.78
then you understand the
more television you watch,
00:44:53.81\00:44:55.92
the more activation of
your emotion circuit you get.
00:44:55.95\00:44:58.68
The less activation
of your prefrontal cortex
00:44:58.71\00:45:00.95
where you reason,
think, plans, problem solve,
00:45:00.98\00:45:03.69
self restrains, self govern.
00:45:03.72\00:45:05.31
Okay, so when
kids had adolescents
00:45:05.34\00:45:07.90
and they had the brain
that's watching a lot of TV
00:45:07.93\00:45:10.30
then the hormones are gonna
inflame those mood circuits,
00:45:10.33\00:45:12.46
they become moody, irritable,
impulsive, they often act out
00:45:12.49\00:45:15.28
and they will often
turn to alcohol and drugs
00:45:15.31\00:45:17.48
to try and calm down a circuitry
00:45:17.51\00:45:19.35
that their prefrontal cortex
00:45:19.38\00:45:20.48
is no longer
capable of restraining.
00:45:20.51\00:45:22.79
And I won't go to the studies,
00:45:22.82\00:45:24.52
there's lot of studies that
show and have documented this
00:45:24.55\00:45:27.37
that whether it's R
rated or G rated programming,
00:45:27.40\00:45:30.15
if it's theatrical in nature
00:45:30.18\00:45:31.54
you have
impairments in attention,
00:45:31.57\00:45:33.17
impairments in focus
00:45:33.20\00:45:34.31
and impairments
in self-governance
00:45:34.34\00:45:36.52
and more impulsivity,
these types of things
00:45:36.55\00:45:38.46
and the study
done by Center Wall
00:45:38.49\00:45:40.79
published in Journal of the
American Medical Association
00:45:40.82\00:45:43.95
actually showed that
theatrical entertainment
00:45:43.98\00:45:45.94
increase the risk of--
00:45:45.97\00:45:47.31
increase the rate
of homicide in society,
00:45:47.34\00:45:49.65
because you become less--
00:45:49.68\00:45:51.40
you become more
disinhibited or less inhibited,
00:45:51.43\00:45:53.93
you can't restrain
those impulses as much
00:45:53.96\00:45:56.47
where as educational television
00:45:56.50\00:45:58.93
did not show any
of those problems
00:45:58.96\00:46:00.63
because educational
television is designed
00:46:00.66\00:46:02.01
to exercise this
prefrontal cortex.
00:46:02.04\00:46:03.55
So it really doesn't matter
00:46:03.58\00:46:04.61
if you are watching
theatrical Christian programming
00:46:04.64\00:46:06.59
or theatrical non
Christian programming,
00:46:06.62\00:46:08.64
you still
firing emotion circuits
00:46:08.67\00:46:10.21
not prefrontal cortex circuit,
00:46:10.24\00:46:11.36
so you are not going to develop
00:46:11.39\00:46:12.42
the prefrontal
cortex like you should.
00:46:12.45\00:46:14.17
And this is
actually higher risk factor
00:46:14.20\00:46:15.74
in both behavior,
attention disorders,
00:46:15.77\00:46:19.00
anxiety disorders
and mood disorders,
00:46:19.03\00:46:20.90
all of them will be increased
00:46:20.93\00:46:22.14
if you watch a lot
of theatrical program.
00:46:22.17\00:46:23.93
Wow, that's very interesting.
00:46:23.96\00:46:25.56
And fortunately our program
that we are doing tonight,
00:46:25.59\00:46:27.42
this is educational programming
00:46:27.45\00:46:28.98
so you can watch
this and record it
00:46:29.01\00:46:30.69
and like to go
over and over again.
00:46:30.72\00:46:32.33
There you go, there you go.
00:46:32.36\00:46:33.71
And if want to, you can
watch it on the website again,
00:46:33.74\00:46:36.85
that heartwiseministries.org,
00:46:36.88\00:46:39.18
and you can watch this program,
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00:46:39.21\00:46:41.60
You can always
go and download it
00:46:41.63\00:46:42.78
if you miss something that
Dr. Jennings talk very fast
00:46:42.81\00:46:45.33
you can always go
back and watch it again.
00:46:45.36\00:46:47.30
Kay, from Alabama.
00:46:47.33\00:46:48.75
You are on with Dr.
Tim Jennings, go ahead.
00:46:48.78\00:46:52.26
I just wanted to
share briefly with you
00:46:52.29\00:46:54.42
that in 1990 I was
diagnosed with bipolar disorder
00:46:54.45\00:46:59.29
but I don't have
extreme manic things
00:46:59.32\00:47:04.24
and I don't get
extremely depress.
00:47:04.27\00:47:06.43
I have done a lot of research
and I believe that I have PTSD
00:47:06.46\00:47:11.17
and I read a book
called EMDR by Francine Shapiro
00:47:11.20\00:47:16.46
and the treatment seemed like--
00:47:16.49\00:47:18.35
when I read book that
they would be ideal for me
00:47:18.38\00:47:21.25
and I wanted to know
if you know about EMDR
00:47:21.28\00:47:25.28
and what is your
opinion of those treatments?
00:47:25.31\00:47:28.23
Thanks for calling, and I would
like to first tell our audience
00:47:28.26\00:47:30.96
that bipolar disorder
is one of the disorders
00:47:30.99\00:47:32.77
that's most
commonly misdiagnosed.
00:47:32.80\00:47:35.13
About 70% of the
time it's misdiagnosed.
00:47:35.16\00:47:38.13
Okay, and its missed on
both sides of that equation.
00:47:38.16\00:47:40.93
Patients with it don't get
diagnosed properly as bipolar,
00:47:40.96\00:47:43.84
and many patients
get diagnosed as bipolar
00:47:43.87\00:47:45.98
who don't actually have bipolar.
00:47:46.01\00:47:47.48
And there is a lot of things
that can mimic or look like it.
00:47:47.51\00:47:50.19
Attention deficit patients
00:47:50.22\00:47:51.61
because of the
prefrontal cortex dysfunction,
00:47:51.64\00:47:53.64
can have mood instability
00:47:53.67\00:47:55.06
and get wrongly
diagnosed as bipolar.
00:47:55.09\00:47:57.18
Post dramatic stress people
particularly if the trauma
00:47:57.21\00:48:00.01
has happened in
childhood not in adulthood,
00:48:00.04\00:48:02.94
generally they will go up
with a lot of mood instability,
00:48:02.97\00:48:06.06
that can be misdiagnosed
as bipolar disorder.
00:48:06.09\00:48:09.07
So now to you
question about the EMDR.
00:48:09.10\00:48:11.36
This is a therapy that
is designed to help people
00:48:11.39\00:48:15.03
with trauma issues
process those trauma issues
00:48:15.06\00:48:19.30
and basically make different
and new neural pathways
00:48:19.33\00:48:22.90
for handling
those emotional memories
00:48:22.93\00:48:25.05
and basically
while you are processing
00:48:25.08\00:48:27.08
the emotional memories,
00:48:27.11\00:48:28.14
they are having you to
do some rapid eye movements
00:48:28.17\00:48:30.11
and the rapid eye movements
are simultaneously activating
00:48:30.14\00:48:32.94
the neural
circuits that fire the--
00:48:32.97\00:48:36.98
you know motor
movements of the eyes--
00:48:37.01\00:48:38.70
and that seems to have an impact
on what's going on in the brain,
00:48:38.73\00:48:42.36
so it allows you to process
those things without going down
00:48:42.39\00:48:45.45
the same old recurrent
habitual dysfunctional pathway,
00:48:45.48\00:48:49.05
so some people have
found it very beneficial.
00:48:49.08\00:48:51.18
It would be
reasonable for you to explore.
00:48:51.21\00:48:53.39
Kay, is it helping
you? Did you try it?
00:48:53.42\00:48:55.94
I have not tried it yet,
but I do have an appointment--
00:48:55.97\00:48:59.81
the psychologist
that I spoke to said that
00:48:59.84\00:49:02.95
three treatments would
probably be all I would need,
00:49:02.98\00:49:06.32
so I'm really encouraged by that
00:49:06.35\00:49:08.76
because I have
been on medication
00:49:08.79\00:49:10.33
for bipolar disorder since 1990.
00:49:10.36\00:49:13.90
Well, I encourage you to go
try and see if that helps you.
00:49:13.93\00:49:16.26
Yeah, thank you very much.
00:49:16.29\00:49:17.75
That's what I wanted
to hear. You are welcome.
00:49:17.78\00:49:19.76
You know that was very
interesting Dr. Jennings
00:49:19.79\00:49:22.34
that you point out misdiagnosis,
that's a large number.
00:49:22.37\00:49:26.17
A lot, it's huge.
00:49:26.20\00:49:27.35
Bipolar disorder is
very difficult to diagnose.
00:49:27.38\00:49:30.06
People there, for instance when
she first started talking about
00:49:30.09\00:49:33.73
I never had the high
highs or the low lows
00:49:33.76\00:49:35.63
but had a lot of
mood instability,
00:49:35.66\00:49:36.98
I thought she might
be describing Cyclothymia
00:49:37.01\00:49:39.14
which is exactly
that, two years or more
00:49:39.17\00:49:41.06
if somebody whose
mood is just up and down
00:49:41.09\00:49:42.86
but never high
higher or low low.
00:49:42.89\00:49:45.01
But, you know,
she mentioned PTSD
00:49:45.04\00:49:47.43
and patients
with childhood traumas
00:49:47.46\00:49:48.82
often have this
mood instability,
00:49:48.85\00:49:50.21
they have difficult
time regulating their mood.
00:49:50.24\00:49:52.02
So, I guess, you know,
00:49:52.05\00:49:53.10
when I see patients
come to me in the office
00:49:53.13\00:49:55.02
and they are on these
medicines for bipolar,
00:49:55.05\00:49:57.56
you know, three out
of four misdiagnosis.
00:49:57.59\00:50:01.26
And you have some
of these medicines
00:50:01.29\00:50:02.32
interfere with some
of the medicines I give.
00:50:02.35\00:50:05.13
Well, you know,
sometimes I said-
00:50:05.16\00:50:07.86
it doesn't mean the one
you are saying is misdiagnosed.
00:50:07.89\00:50:09.64
Right, right, hope
not, hope not, okay.
00:50:09.67\00:50:12.69
We are running out of time now.
00:50:12.72\00:50:14.48
We are just glad that doctor--
we got one more segment,
00:50:14.51\00:50:16.56
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your call real quick
00:50:16.59\00:50:18.23
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00:50:18.26\00:50:19.65
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00:50:19.68\00:50:21.33
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00:50:24.46\00:50:26.20
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00:50:26.23\00:50:27.89
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00:50:27.92\00:50:31.22
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00:50:31.25\00:50:33.60
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00:50:33.63\00:50:36.48
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00:50:36.51\00:50:39.18
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00:50:42.06\00:50:43.42
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00:53:36.24\00:53:39.14
We are glad you joined us.
00:53:39.17\00:53:40.75
We are with Dr. Tim Jennings,
00:53:40.78\00:53:42.32
we are talking about
psychiatric and mental illness
00:53:42.35\00:53:44.76
and Jessica, from Illinois,
00:53:44.79\00:53:46.30
You are on with
Dr. Tim Jennings.
00:53:46.33\00:53:47.90
Go ahead with your question.
00:53:47.93\00:53:49.50
Yeah, what I want to ask
00:53:49.53\00:53:50.63
as I've had panic
attacks for over 25 years
00:53:50.66\00:53:53.28
and you were talking
to the previous caller
00:53:53.31\00:53:54.90
about changing your thinking
00:53:54.93\00:53:56.24
and I was wondering
if I change my thinking
00:53:56.27\00:53:57.90
even after this long
can I still get over this?
00:53:57.93\00:54:01.21
and is there any natural things
00:54:01.24\00:54:02.71
I can do to help
in that direction?
00:54:02.74\00:54:04.87
Yeah, actually, have
you seen a therapist?
00:54:04.90\00:54:08.05
Have you have gone
to a psychotherapist
00:54:08.08\00:54:09.63
or a psychiatrist
that does psychotherapy?
00:54:09.66\00:54:12.59
Well, I was on Xanax, I
have been on Lexapro before
00:54:12.62\00:54:17.05
and I have also done counseling.
00:54:17.08\00:54:19.42
Yeah, well yes, the answer,
the simple answer is yes.
00:54:19.45\00:54:22.66
Panic disorder regardless
of how long you had it
00:54:22.69\00:54:25.65
is extremely amenable to
change in thought processing
00:54:25.68\00:54:29.68
and so if you get
with the right person
00:54:29.71\00:54:31.91
who can actually help you
processes through in your mind
00:54:31.94\00:54:34.71
what it is that--
what's triggering these things.
00:54:34.74\00:54:37.43
Panic is with the rare
exception if somebody who is got
00:54:37.46\00:54:40.48
a very, very rare
disorder called pheochromocytoma
00:54:40.51\00:54:43.26
and that's extremely rare,
00:54:43.29\00:54:44.52
what is it one in
several hundred thousand, okay,
00:54:44.55\00:54:47.65
and so I'm sure
you don't have that
00:54:47.68\00:54:48.82
with a rare
exception somebody like that
00:54:48.85\00:54:50.38
panic disorder almost always
do to some type of thought
00:54:50.41\00:54:53.80
or presumption that you have
00:54:53.83\00:54:55.54
conscious or
unconscious that triggers it,
00:54:55.57\00:54:57.42
so therapy is very,very--
00:54:57.45\00:54:59.41
people, they
respond to the therapy,
00:54:59.44\00:55:00.86
so if you haven't had
that type of responding
00:55:00.89\00:55:03.32
find somebody else to go to.
00:55:03.35\00:55:05.57
Okay, thank
you. You are welcome.
00:55:05.60\00:55:06.88
And you always do some
shopping around, you know.
00:55:06.91\00:55:09.26
Right. They are not
getting the job done.
00:55:09.29\00:55:11.29
Well, I'm going to tell
you-- I'm going to tell you,
00:55:11.32\00:55:13.35
there is a flaw in
the mental health system,
00:55:13.38\00:55:15.90
in the mental
health system with the DSM,
00:55:15.93\00:55:17.47
DSM is Diagnostic
Statistical Manual,
00:55:17.50\00:55:20.25
which is a great
communication tool, helps us,
00:55:20.28\00:55:22.34
somebody says, I had depression.
00:55:22.37\00:55:23.40
Okay, I know something already.
00:55:23.43\00:55:25.25
It's great but what happens is
00:55:25.28\00:55:27.09
a lot of people going down
with the symptom check list
00:55:27.12\00:55:29.28
and they make the diagnosis
and now they think they--
00:55:29.31\00:55:31.61
okay, you got
this diagnosis panic.
00:55:31.64\00:55:33.64
Now I know what's wrong
and we just give a medicine
00:55:33.67\00:55:35.63
and boom, you are out the door,
00:55:35.66\00:55:36.69
just because you have panic,
00:55:36.72\00:55:38.31
we have no idea why
this person has panic.
00:55:38.34\00:55:40.45
We just know that they
have this particular symptom
00:55:40.48\00:55:41.98
but we have to actually
get to know this person,
00:55:42.01\00:55:43.59
their life, their
setting, their circumstance,
00:55:43.62\00:55:45.40
what's going on with them,
00:55:45.43\00:55:46.46
that's actually
causing this panic
00:55:46.49\00:55:47.99
before we can
actually intervene.
00:55:48.02\00:55:49.37
Just saying you have panic
doesn't tell us really anything
00:55:49.40\00:55:51.44
other than you have
these symptoms but why.
00:55:51.47\00:55:53.21
So medicine, yeah, we can--
00:55:53.24\00:55:54.47
we can hit the
brain with certain meds
00:55:54.50\00:55:56.19
that will causes
certain physiological result
00:55:56.22\00:55:58.24
for a transit period of time
to make the symptoms go away,
00:55:58.27\00:56:00.73
but it will be like this
00:56:00.76\00:56:01.79
having somebody
with the broken leg
00:56:01.82\00:56:02.92
and they say, I'm
in really bad pain,
00:56:02.95\00:56:04.31
becaise I got a broken leg.
00:56:04.34\00:56:05.37
Okay, great,
here is some morphine,
00:56:05.40\00:56:06.55
I give you pain
medicine, it won't hurt,
00:56:06.58\00:56:08.20
that we haven't fixed leg.
00:56:08.23\00:56:10.05
James, this is what's going
on with lot of psychiatrist,
00:56:10.08\00:56:12.33
they just throw
meds, the numb things
00:56:12.36\00:56:13.75
but you don't fix
what's actually broken
00:56:13.78\00:56:15.06
is causing in the first place.
00:56:15.09\00:56:16.66
We have to
answer the question why,
00:56:16.69\00:56:19.11
why are these things happening?
00:56:19.14\00:56:20.52
Listen we have so many
questions that have come in.
00:56:20.55\00:56:23.25
We are not going to be
able to get through them all,
00:56:23.28\00:56:25.31
but we want to-- we are going
to have Dr. Jennings back again
00:56:25.34\00:56:27.76
and we will keep
answering your questions.
00:56:27.79\00:56:29.29
You can go to website
heartwiseministries.org
00:56:29.32\00:56:31.96
and we will try to address
00:56:31.99\00:56:33.02
some of these
issues that you might have.
00:56:33.05\00:56:35.03
Dr. Jennings we have a
little bit of time left.
00:56:35.06\00:56:37.17
What would you like to
leave with our audience today
00:56:37.20\00:56:39.11
some parting words here.
00:56:39.14\00:56:40.47
Well, what I would
like to say to the audience
00:56:40.50\00:56:41.80
is that God has constructed life
00:56:41.83\00:56:43.37
to operate in certain protocols,
00:56:43.40\00:56:45.08
principles,
some call these laws,
00:56:45.11\00:56:46.86
that life is build operate upon.
00:56:46.89\00:56:48.63
If we physical, relational,
spiritual, psychological,
00:56:48.66\00:56:53.08
if we live in
harmony with those laws,
00:56:53.11\00:56:54.68
we are healthier and then
00:56:54.71\00:56:55.74
because we are
healthier we are happier.
00:56:55.77\00:56:57.32
If we break those
laws and those protocols,
00:56:57.35\00:56:59.66
then what happens is we
start experiencing problems,
00:56:59.69\00:57:03.38
first initial pain, discomfort
00:57:03.41\00:57:05.15
and then disease
and then dysfunction.
00:57:05.18\00:57:07.25
And so I would
encourage you to understand
00:57:07.28\00:57:09.28
God's design for life
and live in harmony with it.
00:57:09.31\00:57:11.78
Thank you and we want to thank
each one of you for watching.
00:57:11.81\00:57:14.75
We want to thank Dr.
Jennings for so giving his time
00:57:14.78\00:57:18.10
to answer your question,
there is no bills with it.
00:57:18.13\00:57:21.26
We also want to remind you that
00:57:21.29\00:57:22.67
there is a place
for modern medicine.
00:57:22.70\00:57:24.50
There is a place for lifestyle
00:57:24.53\00:57:26.28
but it's in that relationship
with the heavenly Father
00:57:26.31\00:57:28.56
that we can all be assured
00:57:28.66\00:57:30.56
that we are going
to be find healing.
00:57:30.59\00:57:32.36
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become one of
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when I talk about Dr. Jennings
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And his new one
coming out later this year
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called The God-Shaped Brain.
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