Welcome to Heaven's Point of View. 00:00:16.38\00:00:19.28 My name is Dr. Senez Rodriguez and we are discussing 00:00:19.31\00:00:22.92 with Dr. Shepherd from the university seminary 00:00:22.95\00:00:28.09 as a professor of New Testament Interpretation, 00:00:28.12\00:00:31.99 on the topic of love, marriage, sex and divorce 00:00:32.03\00:00:35.83 according to the New Testament. 00:00:35.86\00:00:37.97 So that is our topic for today. 00:00:38.00\00:00:40.17 Now, Dr. Shepherd, last time you talked a great deal 00:00:40.20\00:00:44.74 about the problem of premarital sex 00:00:44.77\00:00:47.88 and pornography here in the United States. 00:00:47.91\00:00:51.61 How do you see 1 Corinthians 6 addressing these issues? 00:00:51.65\00:00:55.75 Okay, last time we noticed that there have been big shifts 00:00:55.78\00:01:01.62 in the United States over the last 50 years 00:01:01.66\00:01:04.23 with increasing levels of premarital sex of-- 00:01:04.26\00:01:09.20 we have now unmarried people living together 00:01:09.23\00:01:13.60 quite openly actually and the increase in pornography 00:01:13.64\00:01:17.37 especially through the internet. 00:01:17.41\00:01:19.07 And these characteristics of shifting sexual mores 00:01:19.11\00:01:24.91 has a rather interesting parallel 00:01:24.95\00:01:28.35 to what was going on in ancient Corinth. 00:01:28.38\00:01:31.65 And we looked at the Corinthian church 00:01:31.69\00:01:33.82 and its establishment by Paul, it was set up by Paul. 00:01:33.86\00:01:37.19 And how the church had so many problems going on within it 00:01:37.23\00:01:43.80 including such thing as all kinds of disputes 00:01:43.83\00:01:48.60 or misunderstandings about doctrinal issues. 00:01:48.64\00:01:51.01 But then there were also issues of practice 00:01:51.04\00:01:55.14 where they had somebody living with his father's wife, 00:01:55.18\00:02:00.32 they had, so they had incest, 00:02:00.35\00:02:02.25 they had probably people going to prostitutes. 00:02:02.28\00:02:06.55 They had some people who were probably saying 00:02:06.59\00:02:08.29 that sex was something 00:02:08.32\00:02:10.76 that you shouldn't even do in marriage. 00:02:10.83\00:02:12.63 And just all kinds of disputes and problems, 00:02:12.66\00:02:16.46 people taking others to court and really, really sick church. 00:02:16.50\00:02:21.44 So Paul has in correspondence with this church. 00:02:21.47\00:02:24.34 And 1 Corinthians 6 00:02:24.37\00:02:26.47 is a very interesting transition point 00:02:26.51\00:02:28.51 in the Book of 1 Corinthians. 00:02:28.54\00:02:30.98 Commentators dispute exactly what's going on in this chapter 00:02:31.01\00:02:35.85 as we will see particularly at the end of the chapter. 00:02:35.88\00:02:39.45 But if we start at the beginning of the chapter, 00:02:39.49\00:02:41.56 the first eight verses 00:02:41.59\00:02:44.19 are about the subject of lawsuits between believers. 00:02:44.23\00:02:47.60 And Paul is just appalled by the idea 00:02:47.60\00:02:52.30 that they would take one another to court 00:02:52.33\00:02:55.27 and he says and that before the unbelievers. 00:02:55.30\00:02:57.64 So they're exposing the church to shame by, 00:02:57.67\00:03:03.95 you know, going to a law court 00:03:03.98\00:03:05.65 where one brother can't get along with another 00:03:05.68\00:03:08.52 and he describes the situation, the lawsuits that are going on 00:03:08.55\00:03:11.92 and he says, "Don't you have some people who can, 00:03:11.95\00:03:15.39 you know, take care of disputes within the church 00:03:15.42\00:03:17.86 without having to go to people outside the church. 00:03:17.89\00:03:21.16 Then he comes in verses 9 to 11, 00:03:21.20\00:03:24.43 he talks about 00:03:24.47\00:03:25.80 "the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God." 00:03:25.83\00:03:29.77 And he goes into a list, we call it a vice list 00:03:29.80\00:03:33.78 where he list off a groups of people 00:03:33.84\00:03:36.81 that will not be in God's kingdom, 00:03:36.85\00:03:38.51 he says, "the sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, 00:03:38.55\00:03:42.88 men who practice homosexuality, thieves, the greedy, 00:03:42.92\00:03:46.59 the drunkards, revilers, the swindlers." 00:03:46.62\00:03:49.36 He says, "They will not inherit the kingdom of God." 00:03:49.39\00:03:51.83 And he says, "Some of you were like that. 00:03:51.86\00:03:55.43 But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified 00:03:55.46\00:03:58.03 in the name of Lord Jesus Christ 00:03:58.07\00:03:59.67 and by the Spirit of our God." 00:03:59.70\00:04:01.80 That's the first section. 00:04:01.84\00:04:03.71 The first two sections, the lawsuit 00:04:03.74\00:04:05.24 and then this whole thing about the unrighteous and reminders 00:04:05.27\00:04:09.08 that you have to be faithful to God 00:04:09.11\00:04:12.41 in order to be in His kingdom. 00:04:12.45\00:04:14.65 Some people want to give the idea 00:04:14.68\00:04:16.35 that it doesn't matter what you do in your life, 00:04:16.38\00:04:18.69 God will save everybody, we call that universalism. 00:04:18.72\00:04:21.82 Well, it's certainly not a biblical idea. 00:04:21.86\00:04:24.43 It's certainly not here in Paul's writings. 00:04:24.46\00:04:27.40 In verses 12 to 20, 00:04:27.40\00:04:29.43 Paul comes to the question of sexual ethics. 00:04:29.46\00:04:32.57 Now the major issues about this passage 00:04:32.60\00:04:35.70 that we're going to spend several times, 00:04:35.74\00:04:37.61 several programs looking at of 1 Corinthians 6:12-20. 00:04:37.64\00:04:44.01 The major issues revolve around 00:04:44.05\00:04:45.88 whether Paul is attacking Corinthian slogans. 00:04:45.91\00:04:50.29 And, you know, describing those 00:04:50.35\00:04:52.92 or whether he is expressing his own statements 00:04:52.95\00:04:56.93 and just adding fine touches to his teaching 00:04:56.99\00:05:00.23 for the Corinthian believers. 00:05:00.26\00:05:02.03 So we're gonna look-- 00:05:02.06\00:05:03.80 We're gonna be Bible detectives today. 00:05:03.87\00:05:05.60 Okay. 00:05:05.63\00:05:06.97 We're gonna look for clues to try to understand 00:05:07.04\00:05:10.94 just what he is saying. 00:05:10.97\00:05:13.24 But we can easily see that either way 1 Corinthians 6, 00:05:13.27\00:05:17.38 1 Corinthians 7 deal with sexual ethics 00:05:17.45\00:05:20.32 which is the topic we're now in our program discussing. 00:05:20.35\00:05:25.59 This passage, 1 Corinthians 6:12-20 00:05:25.62\00:05:30.43 comes at a crucial point in the Book of Corinthians. 00:05:30.46\00:05:34.40 Paul is shifting his discussion from matters 00:05:34.46\00:05:38.90 that were brought to his attention 00:05:38.93\00:05:40.80 by oral reports 00:05:40.84\00:05:42.87 that came to him to discussing matters 00:05:42.90\00:05:46.01 that he got a letter from them about. 00:05:46.04\00:05:48.98 So he'd gotten oral reports about problems in the church 00:05:49.01\00:05:52.45 and he talks about some of those. 00:05:52.48\00:05:54.32 But in Chapter 7:1, he will say, 00:05:54.35\00:05:57.79 "Now concerning the matters about which you wrote." 00:05:57.82\00:06:01.29 So this Chapter 6:12-20 00:06:01.32\00:06:07.23 is at the transition point. 00:06:07.23\00:06:10.27 And has a, you know, 00:06:10.30\00:06:13.54 kind of this important transitional role 00:06:13.57\00:06:16.57 that it plays. 00:06:16.60\00:06:17.94 It actually is filled with theology, 00:06:17.97\00:06:22.18 this little section about sexual ethics. 00:06:22.21\00:06:25.11 You think that perhaps on sexual ethics, 00:06:25.15\00:06:27.32 Paul would just say, "Don't do that." 00:06:27.35\00:06:30.09 You know, "Don't do this immoral behavior." 00:06:30.12\00:06:33.46 Do this, don't do that. 00:06:33.49\00:06:35.09 But actually he fills the whole thing 00:06:35.12\00:06:37.76 with a lot of theological themes. 00:06:37.79\00:06:42.13 He-- In fact the theological themes 00:06:42.16\00:06:45.30 look back to earlier portions of the book 00:06:45.33\00:06:48.94 and they look forward to later parts of the book. 00:06:48.97\00:06:51.91 So it's very transitional, 00:06:51.94\00:06:53.78 it's very tight to other aspects of the book. 00:06:53.84\00:06:57.25 It recaps the ideas and it rings the bells 00:06:57.31\00:07:01.88 that he will sound later in the book. 00:07:01.92\00:07:04.72 For instance, the word, the concept of food 00:07:04.75\00:07:07.69 for some reason comes up in this passage 00:07:07.72\00:07:09.86 we'll look at that, but it reappears in Chapter 8. 00:07:09.89\00:07:14.23 Members of the body of Christ appears here. 00:07:14.30\00:07:18.73 He calls them you were members of Christ body 00:07:18.77\00:07:21.17 that will reappear in Chapter 12. 00:07:21.20\00:07:23.94 He talks about the Holy Spirit 00:07:24.01\00:07:25.87 that will reappear in Chapter 12 and 14. 00:07:25.91\00:07:28.24 He talks about the resurrection 00:07:28.28\00:07:30.35 that will reappear in Chapter 15. 00:07:30.38\00:07:32.68 He talks about eschatology that we'll talk, 00:07:32.71\00:07:36.18 it'll reappear in verses 13 to 15. 00:07:36.22\00:07:37.92 So he has some that goes back earlier in the book 00:07:37.95\00:07:40.99 and he looks also forward. 00:07:41.02\00:07:42.42 So we shouldn't be surprised actually 00:07:42.46\00:07:45.96 that 1 Corinthians 6:12-20 00:07:45.99\00:07:48.70 contains multiple strands of very profound theology 00:07:48.73\00:07:55.04 that's applied dynamically 00:07:55.07\00:07:56.97 to one of the most pressing problems of Paul's church. 00:07:57.01\00:08:01.38 The parallels of the Corinthian culture 00:08:01.41\00:08:03.01 and the situation to our day are actually very striking. 00:08:03.04\00:08:08.15 And so this passage so filled with power, 00:08:08.18\00:08:11.69 this is actually my favorite passage to talk about 00:08:11.72\00:08:13.92 when I teach the class on love, marriage, 00:08:13.99\00:08:16.09 sex, and divorce at the seminary. 00:08:16.12\00:08:18.03 And it is so filled with power, I'm just overwhelmed 00:08:18.06\00:08:23.13 with how much Paul has put in here 00:08:23.16\00:08:25.53 and the way that he's drawn together 00:08:25.57\00:08:27.44 the different lines of theology 00:08:27.47\00:08:30.11 to address a particular problem. 00:08:30.14\00:08:33.58 So we should read the passage, 1 Corinthians 6:12-20. 00:08:33.61\00:08:38.51 Why don't you read that for us? 00:08:38.55\00:08:40.55 "All things are lawful onto me, 00:08:40.62\00:08:43.22 but all things are not expedient. 00:08:43.25\00:08:46.89 All things are lawful for me, 00:08:46.96\00:08:49.32 but I will not be brought under the power of any. 00:08:49.36\00:08:54.20 Midst for the belly and the belly for midst 00:08:54.20\00:08:58.17 but God shall destroy both it and then. 00:08:58.20\00:09:03.74 Now the body is not for fornication 00:09:03.77\00:09:07.61 but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 00:09:07.64\00:09:12.01 And God had both raised up the Lord 00:09:12.05\00:09:15.18 and will also raise up us by His own power. 00:09:15.22\00:09:21.22 Now ye know that your bodies are the members of Christ? 00:09:21.26\00:09:26.43 Shall I then take the members of Christ 00:09:26.46\00:09:28.73 and make them the members of an harlot? 00:09:28.76\00:09:32.53 God forbid. What? 00:09:32.57\00:09:35.27 Now ye know that he which is joined 00:09:35.30\00:09:39.44 to an harlot is one body. 00:09:39.47\00:09:43.21 For two, said he, 'shall be one flesh.' 00:09:43.24\00:09:47.52 But he that is joined on to the Lord is one spirit. 00:09:47.55\00:09:53.56 Flee fornication. 00:09:53.59\00:09:55.36 Every sin that a man does is without the body, 00:09:55.39\00:10:00.53 but he that committed fornication 00:10:00.60\00:10:03.93 sinned against his own body. 00:10:03.97\00:10:06.90 What? 00:10:06.94\00:10:08.27 Now ye know that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost 00:10:08.30\00:10:13.54 which is in you, which ye have of God, 00:10:13.58\00:10:18.38 and ye are not your own. 00:10:18.41\00:10:20.92 For ye were bought with a price, 00:10:20.95\00:10:24.09 therefore glorify God in your body 00:10:24.15\00:10:27.69 and in your spirit, which are God's." 00:10:27.72\00:10:31.99 It's a beautiful little passage. 00:10:32.03\00:10:33.36 Beautiful, interesting 00:10:33.40\00:10:34.73 and sometimes problematic for some people. 00:10:34.73\00:10:36.83 It's true I think you were telling me 00:10:36.90\00:10:39.03 about on email that you've gotten on this topic. 00:10:39.07\00:10:41.74 Yes, they were someone 00:10:41.77\00:10:43.10 who wrote on electronic communication 00:10:43.14\00:10:46.61 discussing the issue of the law and addressing this passage 00:10:46.64\00:10:51.28 as suggesting that, you know, everything is lawful to me, 00:10:51.31\00:10:56.25 you know, there was no problem with, 00:10:56.28\00:10:58.65 there is no law in other words. 00:10:58.69\00:11:00.86 It is up to me to choose what is good 00:11:00.89\00:11:03.22 or what is not good. 00:11:03.26\00:11:05.06 Very interesting interpretation. 00:11:05.09\00:11:07.30 Sure. 00:11:07.30\00:11:08.63 And that's part of this passage 00:11:08.66\00:11:10.57 that confounds people as they look at this 00:11:10.63\00:11:12.97 and they try to scratch their heads. 00:11:13.00\00:11:14.74 Now for those of us who believe in God's law, 00:11:14.77\00:11:20.58 we might be a little worried about this passage in saying, 00:11:20.64\00:11:24.58 wait a minute what does Paul mean, 00:11:24.61\00:11:25.95 all things are lawful for me? 00:11:25.98\00:11:27.38 For those who think that the laws done away with, 00:11:27.42\00:11:31.45 they look at this passage say 00:11:31.49\00:11:32.82 exactly that's what Paul is trying to tell us 00:11:32.85\00:11:34.86 that the law has been done away with, okay. 00:11:34.89\00:11:36.93 So they look at that. 00:11:36.99\00:11:38.43 But when we take a look at the passage 00:11:38.46\00:11:41.16 a little more carefully kind of trying to understand 00:11:41.20\00:11:45.70 Paul's argument in his reasoning. 00:11:45.73\00:11:49.50 The passage we could divide 00:11:49.54\00:11:51.71 and we will in this series of discussions, 00:11:51.74\00:11:54.78 divide the passage in kind of two parts topically in a way. 00:11:54.81\00:12:00.62 The other session we'll spend a lot of time 00:12:00.65\00:12:03.15 looking at these phrases when Paul says, 00:12:03.18\00:12:05.42 three different times it says, 00:12:05.45\00:12:06.79 "Don't you know, do you not know." 00:12:06.86\00:12:09.72 That phrase in Paul's writings 00:12:09.76\00:12:12.96 typically refers to Christian teaching 00:12:12.99\00:12:16.26 that everybody should know 00:12:16.30\00:12:17.83 or just some truth that everybody should, 00:12:17.87\00:12:20.40 you know, just take for granted. 00:12:20.44\00:12:22.00 So he's gonna be referring to Christian teachings, 00:12:22.04\00:12:24.57 you know, but before we get that to that point, 00:12:24.61\00:12:27.04 we have to look at his, 00:12:27.08\00:12:28.58 particularly his argument of verses 12 to 14. 00:12:28.61\00:12:32.45 We'll also look down at verse 18 00:12:32.48\00:12:34.18 because there's an interesting thing there. 00:12:34.22\00:12:36.42 Now if we look at these passages, 00:12:36.45\00:12:40.92 if we say, he starts off, let's start with verse 12. 00:12:40.96\00:12:43.53 He says, "All things are lawful for me, 00:12:43.59\00:12:47.36 but not all things are helpful." 00:12:47.40\00:12:49.10 So what does that last part suggest, 00:12:49.13\00:12:52.63 the last part of that phrase, 00:12:52.67\00:12:54.24 but not all things are helpful to me. 00:12:54.27\00:12:57.44 Does that mean that 00:12:57.47\00:12:58.97 what he said at first is true 00:12:59.01\00:13:04.88 or is it is he modifying it or did you-- 00:13:04.91\00:13:08.48 what do you think about that. 00:13:08.52\00:13:09.85 "All things are lawful for me." 00:13:09.88\00:13:12.19 As if everybody can do whatever they want, 00:13:12.22\00:13:14.79 but I don't think that he is. 00:13:14.82\00:13:16.22 In other words, you are responsible 00:13:16.26\00:13:18.09 for your own choices. 00:13:18.13\00:13:19.46 So if you decide to do what you know 00:13:19.49\00:13:23.13 or should know that it is not correct. 00:13:23.16\00:13:25.97 Well, you are responsible for that. 00:13:26.00\00:13:27.94 Okay, so you could do it, you could do it 00:13:27.97\00:13:30.07 but it might not help you. 00:13:30.11\00:13:32.11 Exactly. Yeah. 00:13:32.14\00:13:33.48 And then that the second part he says, 00:13:33.54\00:13:34.98 "All things are lawful for me, 00:13:35.01\00:13:36.71 but I will not be enslaved by anything." 00:13:36.75\00:13:39.91 So, you know, again-- 00:13:39.98\00:13:41.82 It sounds like a contradiction. 00:13:41.85\00:13:43.65 It does sound a bit like a contradiction. 00:13:43.69\00:13:45.79 So if it's lawful, 00:13:45.82\00:13:47.89 if it's all things are lawful then you are free. 00:13:47.92\00:13:51.46 But then he turns around and says, 00:13:51.49\00:13:53.90 but I won't be enslaved by anything. 00:13:53.96\00:13:56.26 So are you free? Are you not free? 00:13:56.30\00:14:00.34 Is he talking about freedom? 00:14:00.37\00:14:03.24 That's not where the problems end 00:14:03.27\00:14:05.17 when you're trying to figure this thing out. 00:14:05.21\00:14:07.31 If you go to verse 13 he says, "Food is meant for the stomach 00:14:07.38\00:14:13.55 and the stomach for food." 00:14:13.62\00:14:15.98 All right, your says meat I think. 00:14:16.02\00:14:17.82 The word here as I recall is bro'-mah 00:14:17.85\00:14:20.56 in which is a general word for food in Greek, all right. 00:14:20.59\00:14:23.46 So what kind of an idea does that suggested, 00:14:23.53\00:14:26.36 "food for the stomach and the stomach for food." 00:14:26.39\00:14:29.93 Is as if you could eat whatever you want doesn't matter, 00:14:29.96\00:14:34.44 but it's like a proverb that they used to talk about. 00:14:34.47\00:14:38.81 Yeah, it sounds like some kind of a proverb 00:14:38.84\00:14:41.04 and if you said, "Food is meant for the stomach 00:14:41.08\00:14:45.15 and the stomach is meant for food," 00:14:45.18\00:14:47.65 it's almost as though there is some kind of a design 00:14:47.68\00:14:53.52 that the two fit together, I mean it's like 00:14:53.56\00:14:55.56 people will say, why do you have hands? 00:14:55.59\00:14:57.29 Hands are for shaking. Right. 00:14:57.33\00:15:00.43 Why do you have ears? Ears are for hearing. 00:15:00.46\00:15:02.53 Why do you have a stomach? 00:15:02.56\00:15:03.90 Well, stomach is for food, all right? 00:15:03.97\00:15:05.83 So it's an argument from design, all right. 00:15:05.87\00:15:10.94 But then you say, okay, 00:15:10.97\00:15:12.31 there's an argument from design, that's interesting 00:15:12.34\00:15:14.48 and why he would bring food up here 00:15:14.51\00:15:17.35 that seems so little odd maybe. 00:15:17.38\00:15:19.68 But then he says, "And God will destroy 00:15:19.71\00:15:22.12 both one and the other." 00:15:22.15\00:15:23.49 Well, if its food is for the stomach, 00:15:26.32\00:15:29.36 and if it's gonna destroy it, 00:15:29.39\00:15:32.66 why does Paul mention being destroying it, see. 00:15:32.69\00:15:36.87 Now it even gets worse 00:15:36.93\00:15:39.00 as you go into the rest of verse 13, 00:15:39.03\00:15:41.64 he says, "The body is not meant for sexual immorality 00:15:41.67\00:15:45.41 but for the Lord and the Lord for the body." 00:15:45.44\00:15:47.44 He said, wait a minute. 00:15:47.48\00:15:49.21 I thought we were talking about food. 00:15:49.24\00:15:51.71 Now suddenly he is talking about sex. 00:15:51.75\00:15:54.55 Why does he, why did he do that. 00:15:54.58\00:15:56.69 And if you notice at beginning verse 13, 00:15:56.75\00:15:59.39 "the food for the stomach 00:15:59.42\00:16:01.06 or the stomach is designed for food." 00:16:01.09\00:16:03.76 But then he says, 00:16:03.79\00:16:05.59 "The body is not meant for sexual immorality." 00:16:05.63\00:16:07.96 But for the Lord just like 00:16:07.96\00:16:09.30 the body is designed for the Lord. 00:16:09.33\00:16:12.50 And so that seems to go against what he just said almost, 00:16:12.53\00:16:18.31 it's very strange. 00:16:18.34\00:16:19.67 And then verse 14 he says, "And God raised the Lord 00:16:19.71\00:16:23.85 and will also raise up us up by his power." 00:16:23.88\00:16:28.45 Resurrection. 00:16:28.48\00:16:29.85 Now Paul, why are you talking about the resurrection? 00:16:29.88\00:16:36.29 Why are you bringing that up? 00:16:36.32\00:16:38.16 It seems to have nothing to do with what he just talked about. 00:16:38.19\00:16:41.96 If you go down to verse 18, read verse 18 again. 00:16:42.00\00:16:46.70 Verse 18 says, "Flee fornication. 00:16:46.74\00:16:52.61 Every sin that a man does is without the body, 00:16:52.64\00:16:57.78 but he that committed fornication 00:16:57.81\00:17:00.85 sinned against his own body." 00:17:00.88\00:17:03.42 All right, so it starts off and it says, 00:17:03.45\00:17:05.95 "Every sin that a man commits is outside of his body." 00:17:05.99\00:17:12.53 Right. 00:17:12.56\00:17:13.93 Now my translation actually says, 00:17:13.96\00:17:15.36 "Every other sin a man commits or person commits 00:17:15.40\00:17:19.57 is outside the body." 00:17:19.60\00:17:21.80 But actually the word other is being supplied by translator 00:17:21.84\00:17:26.34 because in Greek there is no word other, 00:17:26.37\00:17:28.71 it's not there. 00:17:28.74\00:17:30.15 So your translation presents it correctly, 00:17:30.18\00:17:33.15 "Every sin that a man commits is outside the body." 00:17:33.18\00:17:36.69 But then he says, 00:17:36.72\00:17:38.55 "But the sexually immoral person 00:17:38.59\00:17:40.66 sins against his own body." 00:17:40.69\00:17:42.02 Now wait a minute, Paul? You can't have it both ways. 00:17:42.06\00:17:46.80 If the sin is outside the body, 00:17:46.83\00:17:49.26 how can sexual sin be against the body? 00:17:49.30\00:17:52.63 So that's why some people want to use the word other there 00:17:52.67\00:17:56.40 and then they'll say, 00:17:56.44\00:17:57.77 well, every other sin is against the body. 00:17:57.81\00:18:01.28 But the sin, sexual sin that's worse because it, 00:18:01.31\00:18:06.18 you know, the others are outside the body, 00:18:06.21\00:18:08.95 but sexual sin is against the body. 00:18:08.98\00:18:12.02 And this raises a question that people will raise 00:18:12.05\00:18:14.72 when they'll say the questions like well, wait a minute. 00:18:14.76\00:18:18.29 What about alcoholism? What about drug addiction? 00:18:18.33\00:18:20.73 Well, I mean, back in the ancient world 00:18:20.76\00:18:22.06 the alcohol and drinking of alcohol. 00:18:22.10\00:18:23.77 What about alcoholism? 00:18:23.80\00:18:25.37 Isn't that a sin against the body? 00:18:25.40\00:18:27.37 Is that really less of an addiction 00:18:27.44\00:18:29.70 than sexual addiction? 00:18:29.74\00:18:31.34 Is that worse for you? Is that less bad for you? 00:18:31.37\00:18:35.58 Then promiscuity has nothing to do with you, 00:18:35.61\00:18:38.28 it doesn't affect you. 00:18:38.31\00:18:40.05 So these kinds of questions, 00:18:40.12\00:18:42.92 you know, have really got people 00:18:42.95\00:18:44.45 scratching their heads about this passage. 00:18:44.49\00:18:47.46 And it has led, it has led a number of scholars 00:18:47.49\00:18:54.00 now actually the majority of scholars 00:18:54.00\00:18:56.10 to think that there's something else going on here. 00:18:56.13\00:18:58.47 Because this additives are confusing 00:18:58.50\00:19:01.10 to some people right people, like you know. 00:19:01.14\00:19:02.74 Yeah, they don't-- 00:19:02.77\00:19:04.51 it doesn't seem to make sense of what's going on. 00:19:04.54\00:19:06.64 Now the interesting thing 00:19:06.71\00:19:09.44 as the people have suggested that the-- 00:19:09.48\00:19:12.31 what Paul is doing as he's quoting slogans 00:19:12.35\00:19:15.95 of the Corinthians. 00:19:15.98\00:19:17.82 He's quoting slogans of the Corinthians 00:19:17.85\00:19:19.65 and then responding to them. 00:19:19.69\00:19:22.52 Quoting them and then responding to them. 00:19:22.56\00:19:24.93 Of course the problem is knowing where the quotes are. 00:19:24.96\00:19:31.10 How do you know, you know, 00:19:31.13\00:19:34.27 that Paul was actually quoting those slogans? 00:19:34.30\00:19:36.64 How do you explain them? 00:19:36.71\00:19:38.04 That's part of the problem because in the ancient text 00:19:38.07\00:19:41.81 there were no quotation marks, 00:19:41.84\00:19:44.05 in fact there were no chapter divisions, verse divisions, 00:19:44.08\00:19:47.82 there were even no divisions between words. 00:19:47.85\00:19:50.39 There were just a line of capital letters 00:19:50.42\00:19:53.22 that went through it. 00:19:53.25\00:19:54.59 So it really becomes an issue of interpretation to do this. 00:19:54.62\00:19:59.73 So somebody might say, oh, that sounds rather squishy, 00:19:59.76\00:20:03.33 that sounds like, you know, 00:20:03.37\00:20:05.03 make it say whatever you wanted to say. 00:20:05.07\00:20:07.10 No, it depends on the logic of Paul's presentation, 00:20:07.14\00:20:11.87 he was very logical in his presentation. 00:20:11.91\00:20:15.08 So that we noticed, 00:20:15.11\00:20:16.71 we were kind of following the pattern of saying. 00:20:16.75\00:20:19.38 Well, what about those who take the position 00:20:19.41\00:20:21.25 that this was about libertinism he is saying. 00:20:21.28\00:20:24.39 These are Paul's word all things are lawful 00:20:24.42\00:20:26.42 and food for the stomach, stomach for food 00:20:26.45\00:20:29.02 and every sin is outside the body. 00:20:29.06\00:20:31.43 When you take those to be Paul's words 00:20:31.46\00:20:33.96 the problem is that the, the text doesn't make sense. 00:20:34.00\00:20:39.47 There is no logic to it. 00:20:39.50\00:20:41.57 And you can't assume that Paul was illogical, 00:20:41.60\00:20:44.57 you have to start from the concept 00:20:44.61\00:20:45.94 that the writer knows what he's doing is logically. 00:20:45.97\00:20:49.21 When you take these as quotations 00:20:49.24\00:20:52.95 from the Corinthians, 00:20:52.98\00:20:54.58 suddenly everything falls into place, 00:20:54.62\00:20:58.29 it's incredible. 00:20:58.32\00:20:59.65 So that's how we should then interpret that passage. 00:20:59.69\00:21:02.59 Yes, let me explain how this works. 00:21:02.62\00:21:05.69 Now we have a little, we have a little table to show 00:21:05.73\00:21:10.43 that kind of illustrates this 00:21:10.47\00:21:11.80 and I put a number of words they kind of summarizes it 00:21:11.83\00:21:14.20 and you'll be able to see that on the screen. 00:21:14.24\00:21:16.14 But let me just walk through this talking 00:21:16.17\00:21:17.67 about these different verses, okay. 00:21:17.71\00:21:19.54 In verse 12 he says, "All things are lawful for me." 00:21:19.57\00:21:22.88 That's actually the Corinthian statement. 00:21:22.91\00:21:27.48 Then Paul responds "But not all things are helpful." 00:21:27.52\00:21:31.09 "All things are lawful for me," says the Corinthian. 00:21:31.12\00:21:34.72 "But I will not be enslaved by anything." 00:21:34.76\00:21:37.49 Now how does that work, okay? 00:21:37.53\00:21:39.79 Usually we think of Paul being little bit more forceful, 00:21:39.83\00:21:43.33 you know, he's not gonna say, yes, 00:21:43.40\00:21:44.97 but not everything is helpful. 00:21:45.00\00:21:47.60 You expect him to be more forceful 00:21:47.64\00:21:49.94 except that he had a problem with a Corinthian church, 00:21:49.97\00:21:53.41 they didn't get along too well. 00:21:53.44\00:21:55.31 So you can't just tell them, you have to persuade them. 00:21:55.34\00:21:59.68 So what better way to persuade them 00:21:59.71\00:22:01.38 than to start with their own argument. 00:22:01.42\00:22:03.79 You know, if your take their premise 00:22:03.82\00:22:05.15 and you show that it doesn't work, 00:22:05.19\00:22:06.96 then you've proved them wrong to their own satisfaction. 00:22:06.99\00:22:10.33 Right, so, "All things are lawful for me." 00:22:10.36\00:22:12.13 He says, okay, okay, 00:22:12.16\00:22:13.50 let's just go down that street for a while, 00:22:13.53\00:22:15.00 that libertine street that you have. 00:22:15.03\00:22:17.33 That but certainly not all things are helpful. 00:22:17.37\00:22:21.54 Okay, they might say, okay. 00:22:21.57\00:22:22.90 "All things are lawful for me" but he said, 00:22:22.94\00:22:24.51 "but I will not be enslaved by anything." 00:22:24.54\00:22:27.04 You see a libertine kind of a lifestyle 00:22:27.08\00:22:29.78 leads to the most abject slavery. 00:22:29.81\00:22:32.15 That's right. 00:22:32.18\00:22:33.52 A libertine lifestyle leads to the most abject slavery. 00:22:33.58\00:22:35.82 There's old saying in Chinese, a man takes a drink, 00:22:35.85\00:22:41.06 a drink takes a drink, a drink takes a man. 00:22:41.09\00:22:44.73 It comes to control him. All right, we got to press on. 00:22:44.76\00:22:48.23 "Food is meant for the stomach and the stomach for food" 00:22:48.26\00:22:51.13 and the continuation of the quote, 00:22:51.17\00:22:52.67 "and God will destroy them both." 00:22:52.70\00:22:54.70 Okay, now if you look at the little chart you'll see, 00:22:54.74\00:22:57.04 "All things are lawful for me was a libertine perspective." 00:22:57.07\00:23:00.71 Paul says, "I'm not gonna be enslaved by that." 00:23:00.78\00:23:03.01 His theology is a theology of liberation 00:23:03.04\00:23:05.81 not of libertinism. 00:23:05.85\00:23:07.22 All right. 00:23:07.25\00:23:08.58 Then they say, "The stomach for food 00:23:08.62\00:23:09.95 and food for the stomach." 00:23:09.98\00:23:11.32 That's an argument from design. 00:23:11.35\00:23:13.79 They're arguing 00:23:13.86\00:23:15.19 that the stomach is designed for food 00:23:15.22\00:23:18.09 and actually this is euphemism. 00:23:18.13\00:23:19.46 They're saying, sexual organs are designed for sex. 00:23:19.49\00:23:22.96 You should use it for sex. Paul says, "Wait a minute. 00:23:23.00\00:23:25.43 Now the Lord, the body is made for the Lord, 00:23:25.47\00:23:28.67 the Lord is for the body and the body for the Lord." 00:23:28.70\00:23:31.44 So he counters each of their arguments 00:23:31.47\00:23:34.28 and that's how we recognized 00:23:34.31\00:23:35.64 that what's going on is that he's quoting them 00:23:35.68\00:23:38.08 and then he's responding to their arguments. 00:23:38.11\00:23:40.18 His teleology, his argument from design 00:23:40.22\00:23:42.88 is not hedonistically theirs, 00:23:42.92\00:23:45.22 they say it was designed for pleasure. 00:23:45.25\00:23:47.66 Paul says, "No, it was designed for the Lord." 00:23:47.69\00:23:50.29 It was designed for sanctification. 00:23:50.33\00:23:53.03 They say, this is still part of their quote probably, 00:23:53.06\00:23:56.23 "God will destroy both one and the other, 00:23:56.26\00:23:58.03 so they have an eschatology. 00:23:58.07\00:24:00.04 But it's an eschatology of destruction, 00:24:00.07\00:24:02.07 God's gonna destroy all these things." 00:24:02.10\00:24:04.31 Paul says, "Waite a minute. 00:24:04.34\00:24:06.24 God raised up the Lord, he raised up the Lord Jesus 00:24:06.27\00:24:09.21 and He will raise us up as well." 00:24:09.24\00:24:11.15 So that's an eschatology of resurrection. 00:24:11.18\00:24:14.35 This is why he talks about the resurrection, 00:24:14.38\00:24:17.09 he is countering their argument. 00:24:17.12\00:24:19.25 They say like, well, it's all gonna be destroyed anyway, 00:24:19.29\00:24:21.26 so it doesn't matter what you do with it. 00:24:21.29\00:24:23.76 And Paul says, "No, it does matter 00:24:23.83\00:24:25.16 what you do with it." 00:24:25.19\00:24:26.53 Because your body is going to be raised in the last day. 00:24:26.56\00:24:29.76 See he's a holistic view of anthropology 00:24:29.80\00:24:33.54 of the human being. 00:24:33.60\00:24:34.94 So he says, "It will be raised up, 00:24:34.97\00:24:36.34 so it does matter what you do." 00:24:36.37\00:24:38.17 I tell the students this in class 00:24:38.21\00:24:39.84 kind of blows them away. 00:24:39.87\00:24:41.21 That the resurrection is one of the great reasons 00:24:41.24\00:24:42.88 for not being involved in promiscuity. 00:24:42.91\00:24:45.41 Why? 00:24:45.45\00:24:46.78 Because the resurrection 00:24:46.82\00:24:48.15 is what's gonna happen to your body, 00:24:48.18\00:24:49.52 what you do with it now has an affect. 00:24:49.55\00:24:51.25 You see and you mustn't do with that now 00:24:51.29\00:24:52.79 because it will be raised up in the last day, okay. 00:24:52.82\00:24:55.76 Now the other thing is down in verse 18 where they say, 00:24:55.79\00:24:59.69 "every sin is the man commits is outside the body." 00:24:59.73\00:25:02.90 That's their slogan, okay. 00:25:02.93\00:25:05.17 So that's a harmatology and wonderful word 00:25:05.20\00:25:07.77 meaning a doctrine of sin, a harmatology of dualism. 00:25:07.80\00:25:12.87 Really doesn't matter what you do with the body 00:25:12.91\00:25:15.64 because God's gonna, you know, do away with that. 00:25:15.68\00:25:17.88 And so your actions don't really affect your soul. 00:25:17.91\00:25:24.49 You can go sleep around and that's okay 00:25:24.52\00:25:27.19 because it doesn't really affect your soul. 00:25:27.26\00:25:29.56 The body and the soul are separated 00:25:29.59\00:25:31.36 and the soul is eternal but the body will pass away. 00:25:31.39\00:25:35.43 Paul says, "Sexual sin is against the body." 00:25:35.46\00:25:39.40 So he links back into his anthropology of wholism 00:25:39.43\00:25:43.67 that you don't have a soul, you are a soul 00:25:43.71\00:25:46.24 which we talk about is the state of the, 00:25:46.27\00:25:48.08 state of the dead, right. 00:25:48.11\00:25:50.31 But it has characteristics that link into our life, okay. 00:25:50.35\00:25:54.02 So tit for tat you could say Paul response to their, 00:25:54.08\00:25:59.35 you know, their take on the meaning of life, 00:25:59.39\00:26:02.59 they have this little slogans that they use, 00:26:02.62\00:26:05.09 I can do whatever I want. 00:26:05.13\00:26:07.36 My body is designed for pleasure 00:26:07.40\00:26:09.03 I should use it for that 00:26:09.06\00:26:10.90 and it doesn't matter what I do with it 00:26:10.97\00:26:12.33 because the sin doesn't affect my soul. 00:26:12.37\00:26:14.87 So Paul was patiently educating the church between that 00:26:14.90\00:26:19.34 to see the difference between the life they had 00:26:19.37\00:26:22.51 and the life that they are expected to have 00:26:22.54\00:26:24.68 when they accept Jesus Christ. 00:26:24.71\00:26:26.05 Right, when you look it back at Chapter 6, the beginning, 00:26:26.08\00:26:28.48 from beginning from Chapter 6, you know, 00:26:28.52\00:26:30.32 he's made these kind of well, in 6 don't go in lawsuits 00:26:30.39\00:26:34.46 but then you know this whole vice list 00:26:34.49\00:26:35.99 where you cannot do this 00:26:36.02\00:26:37.43 because that's not gonna be in the Kingdom of God. 00:26:37.46\00:26:41.00 So he starts to bring together 00:26:41.03\00:26:43.33 a whole series of theological arguments 00:26:43.37\00:26:46.47 to counter these false teachings. 00:26:46.50\00:26:48.74 And what we've seen in this one is 00:26:48.77\00:26:51.31 he has a theology of liberation, 00:26:51.34\00:26:54.34 countered, you know, 00:26:54.38\00:26:56.04 countered to their theology of libertinism. 00:26:56.08\00:27:00.15 He has a teleology of sanctification 00:27:00.18\00:27:02.95 countered to their teleology of hedonism. 00:27:02.98\00:27:05.65 He has an eschatology of resurrection 00:27:05.69\00:27:08.32 countered to their eschatology of destruction. 00:27:08.36\00:27:10.86 He has a harmatology of wholism and anthropology of wholism 00:27:10.89\00:27:14.36 countered to their anthropology of dualism. 00:27:14.36\00:27:16.87 Dualism. 00:27:16.90\00:27:18.23 So back and forth he goes, helping these people to see 00:27:18.27\00:27:22.40 that what they were doing 00:27:22.44\00:27:24.31 was so destructive of Christian life, 00:27:24.34\00:27:26.71 so totally out of step. 00:27:26.78\00:27:28.64 And this helps to give an answer to the person 00:27:28.68\00:27:30.85 who wrote to you within-- 00:27:30.88\00:27:32.75 with a conviction that it was okay to do, 00:27:32.78\00:27:36.38 you know, whatever they want. 00:27:36.42\00:27:37.92 No, that's not what Paul is teaching. 00:27:37.95\00:27:40.09 Yeah. 00:27:40.16\00:27:41.49 Well, my friends, 00:27:41.52\00:27:42.86 these has been a pleasure to have Dr. Shepherd with us. 00:27:42.89\00:27:46.36 Time is very rapidly running out, 00:27:46.39\00:27:50.13 but we thank you for paying attention to this series. 00:27:50.17\00:27:54.64 And we invite you to continue discussing 00:27:54.67\00:27:58.91 and looking at these interesting presentations 00:27:58.94\00:28:02.94 that are going to be so helpful to you and to all us. 00:28:02.98\00:28:07.38 Thank you. 00:28:07.45\00:28:08.78