Welcome to
Heaven's Point of View.
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My name is J.D. Quinn,
we have a series called,
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"Love,
Marriage, Sex, and Divorce
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according to
the New Testament. "
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I'm happy to be able to co-host
with Dr. Tom Sheperd, Ph. D.,
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Professor of the New
Testament Interpretation
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at the Andrews
University Seminary.
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We were talking
about degrees a while ago,
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Tom is a very educated man
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and I just
absolutely loved what he said,
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"Let's not
concentrate on degrees,
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let's concentrate
on the Word of God"
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and so, that's what we're
paying attention to, today,
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is, "What does
the New Testament say
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about instructions to husbands?"
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But before we go there, Tom,
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what I'd like to do
is to kind of review back
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talking about
instructions to the wives
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and then we'll move forward.
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Yeah, we're talking
from Ephesians chapter 5,
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is what we were looking at,
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and the Apostle Paul, in
this section of Ephesians,
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he has a series of instructions
for the Christian household.
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There are three groups of people
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that he talks to
in the household,
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he first talks to
wives and then to husbands
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and to children and to parents,
then to slaves and to masters.
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These were common groups
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in the Greco-Roman
world that Paul lived in
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that would be in any
household of any person,
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now they may not all have slaves
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but slaves were fairly
common in the ancient world,
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it wasn't the same
kind of slavery as in...
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There were just more
members of the family,
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they might not
have been related.
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Yeah, and... I
mean... slavery is never good,
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never has been good,
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but it was probably
worse here in the United States
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than it was back
in the ancient world.
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People could buy
their way out of slavery
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and some other things
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but we're focusing on this
instruction to the household.
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Now, the Book of
Ephesians, as we've said before,
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breaks into two sections,
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the first three
chapters are about Theology,
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the last three chapters
are about how you apply that,
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how you show it in your life
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and we come to chapter 5,
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and we've already
been looking at Ephesians 5
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in some detail,
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we said that the
only way for the family
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to really have success is to
be submitted to the Holy Spirit
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and we saw that in
verses 15 through 21,
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when we came to the
instruction to the wives,
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very interestingly
we found in verse 22,
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of Ephesians 5 that...
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in most
translations it will say,
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"Wives, submit
to your husbands. "
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Interestingly
enough, the word "submit"
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it isn't even in
there... in Greek.
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Hmmm...
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It's borrowed
from the previous verse
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which is good Greek
but not good English.
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All right, you've
to have it show it...
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but the trouble is
that, too many times
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this partly comes just before
Ephesians 5:22 and onwards...
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is broken off as
a separate section
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when actually,
Ephesians 5:22 and onwards
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is a continuation, so Paul says,
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"You've got to be
filled with the Holy Spirit
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and then this has an
effect in your life,"
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and the effect that
it has on your life...
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the thesis statement
that he makes in verse 21 is,
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"Submitting to one another
out of reverence for Christ. "
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Mr. Quinn: Amen.
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And so we come to the
wives and he tells them
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to submit to their
husbands as to the Lord
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and he describes this idea of
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the husband as
the head of the wife,
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we said that that illustrated...
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that there are
three different ways
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the word "head" would be used,
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and Paul used all three but
probably here he's speaking of
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the husband as the
"Representative" of the family,
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like you would say,
"the head of the household"
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but representing the family
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and then he
makes this comparison
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he talks about Christ as
the Savior of the Church,
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the Savior of the
Body, and he says,
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"But, as the
church submits to Christ,
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so wives are also submit to
their husbands in everything. "
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He makes a distinction
between Jesus and the husband.
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The husband is not
Jesus. Mr. Quinn: Amen.
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And, the husband is
not the savior of the wife
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and the wife is not
the body of the husband
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so, the husband has
the role of Leadership
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but it's not the same as the
Leadership Role that Christ has
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and the husband,
when we actually come...
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he's been talking to wives,
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too many times there are men
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who want to focus on
what Paul says to the wives
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when really, what
they should focus on
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is what Paul
says to the husbands
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because when they start saying,
"You need to submit to me... "
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well, now, that's the
wrong kind of attitude,
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that's the wrong
look, you see the Apostle...
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the same Apostle
says over in Galatians,
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"There's neither male nor
female, neither slave nor free,
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we're all one in
Christ, we're all equal,"
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so, equality is
an important concept,
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and we also
indicated in a previous program
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that "submission does
not mean inferiority,"
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Jesus submitted to his parents
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and He was certainly
not inferior to them,
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submission does not mean
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that the person has
no relationship to God,
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that they only go
through their husband
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for something like that,
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Paul addresses
the wives themselves,
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and he says, "You submit to
your husband as to the Lord,"
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so, they have a
personal relationship
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with Christ themselves,
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third, "submission does not
mean that you're a doormat,"
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there are some things
that you don't submit to,
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there are some
things that go too far
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and that are wrong,
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and that should
never happen in the home,
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and so, Paul, reorganizes the
concept of the Christian home
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with Christ at the center.
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What would be a
synonym for "submit?"
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What in the Greek...
I mean, what happens?
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The term actually is
two terms put together,
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it's epotasso, "epo" is under
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and "tasso" is
actually, to line up
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and so, you would say,
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"To submit to be under or to
accept the role of Leadership"
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maybe something like that.
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So, it has nothing
to do with "submission,"
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it has to do with just
the "place in the family,"
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there is the
Leader, there is the Head,
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so, since there
should just be one Head,
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well then, of
course, then, underneath that
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is the wife,
taking her rightful place,
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with her role... her
executive duties, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah and so,
he emphasizes equality
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between the two people
but he talks about submission.
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Now, really when we
think about it in life,
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all of us submit to
somebody, we all have employers,
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we all have
people that are above us,
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in different
Organizations, and so,
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submission is something
that every Christian does
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and the kind of
role of Leadership
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that Paul is going
to talk about here,
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really ties in
with what Jesus said,
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so, we'll see that,
so now we'll turn over to
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what he says to the husbands,
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and I like to read
verses 25 through 33,
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this is really the
whole section to the husbands,
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it will take a
couple of sessions
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for us to go through all of this
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but let's read the whole
section so we get the context.
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Okay, starting with verse
25, "Husbands, love your wives,
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just as Christ also loved the
church and gave Himself for her,
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that He might
sanctify and cleanse her
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with the washing
of water by the word,
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that He might present her
to Himself a glorious church,
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not having spot or
wrinkle or any such thing,
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but that she should be
holy and without blemish.
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So husbands ought
to love their own wives
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as their own bodies;
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he who loves his
wife loves himself.
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For no one ever
hated his own flesh,
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but nourishes and cherishes it,
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just as the
Lord does the church.
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For we are members of His body,
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and of His flesh
and of His bones.
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'And for this reason,
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a man shall leave
his father and mother
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and be joined to his wife,
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and the two shall
become one flesh. '
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This is a great mystery,
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but I speak concerning
Christ and the church.
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Nevertheless let each
one of you in particular
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so love his own wife as himself,
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and let the wife see that
she respects her husband. "
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Okay, thank you. Amen... Amen.
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Now, we notice that this section
when Paul writes to the husband,
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is much longer... much longer
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than the section that
he wrote to the wives.
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Of the pairs of
people that he had,
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we said that he speaks first to
the wives then to the husbands,
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he speaks to the
children then to the parents,
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he speaks to the slaves
and then to the masters,
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the two groups that
have the most said to them
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are the husbands and the slaves.
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Interesting... Hmmm... hmmm...
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Probably, because they
had the most "changing" to do
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in terms of what it
meant to be a Christian
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in that Greco-Roman world. Amen.
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They had to go through more
modifications, you might say.
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You see, it's
kind of interesting
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that he
addresses the wives first
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because, in the
Greco-Roman world,
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the husband... he was
called the "Pater familias"
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he was large and in charge,
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he was pretty much the...
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the guy with all
the power in the family,
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what he said was
pretty much, "Law,"
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so, typically, you would think
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if you're going to
address the family,
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you would start
with talking to him.
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That's not what
Paul does. Hmmm...
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He instead starts by
talking to the wives.
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So, he gives you a
little indication maybe there
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from the
beginning saying to you,
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"I'm throwing you
a curve ball here. "
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Yeah.
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You know, you need
to understand that...
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that the
Christian home isn't like
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what other homes are like,
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it's a bit different
than those other homes.
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I'm not going to
talk to the top dog first,
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I'm going to talk to
somebody lower down first...
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so he talks to them,
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but then he does
come to the husbands
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and he describes
what he wants them to do.
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And the big surprise
is, he said to wives,
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"submit to your husbands,"
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what would be the natural
word to go with "submit?"
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Why, you think it might
be something like, "Rule"
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or "be in charge," right?
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Yeah.
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Be over them, right?
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Yeah, "get behind me. "
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Yeah, that's
right, that's right.
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But instead, he says,
"husbands love your wives. "
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Amen.
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And just in case you didn't
understand what I meant by that,
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"as Christ loved the church
and gave Himself up for her. "
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Okay.
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Now, we've been
talking about love, you and me,
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we've been looking at...
we had a look awhile back
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when we looked at
1st Corinthians 13.
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Hmmm... hmmm...
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and that verb
that we used there,
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was the verb,
"agapao" its noun is "agape"
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okay, and that's the term that
Paul used in 1st Corinthians 13.
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Do you remember some of
the kinds of terminology
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that we used... in terms
of defining what love is like?
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Love is like this and
like this and like this...
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you remember any of
those terminologies?
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I know that it is patient,
kind, loving, showing mercy...
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Doesn't brag,
doesn't break out in anger,
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doesn't keep track of wrongs...
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Mr. Quinn: Yeah, no
shameful deeds, that's right.
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Believes all,
trusts all, and so it's...
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Mr. Quinn: And I
remember the green stamps.
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The Green stamps, yeah,
we talked about green stamps,
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that you don't put
those green stamps in there
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and store them up, so,
this is the kind of love,
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that Paul wants
husbands to have,
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"love your wives,"
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so all the things we said there
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in 1st Corinthians 13 about love
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and the kinds of things
that we said when we studied
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"Hecedh" back
in... it wasn't with you,
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it was with your wife,
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when we studied
the Old Testament word
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for "Loving Kindness"
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and how you help somebody
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who needs your help
but can't insist on it,
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that's loving
kindness, all that kind of idea,
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the patient
actions, the kind deeds,
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the showing of mercy, the
keeping of confidentiality,
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the "never giving
up" on the other person,
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and not bragging, and
not bursting out in anger,
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no shameful deeds,
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no seeking your own advantage,
no keeping track of...
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all that stuff... that's
what Paul wants husbands to do.
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Amen.
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Now you think about that,
my! that is a very different way
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of thinking about the home.
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And it sounds... I
mean these are terms
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that we deal with all the time
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and so it doesn't
seem that foreign to us,
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but, imagine, back then,
this was "foreign thinking. "
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Yeah, I think you're right.
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So, this is kind of a
paradigm shift, exactly.
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Yeah, see, we seem to
little realize, I think,
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the great impact
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that Christianity
has had on our culture.
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Now, our culture today,
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is going in the other
direction, I'm afraid,
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it's becoming more pagan...
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it's going more in the
direction away from that,
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but, there are so many
influences of Christianity
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that are seen in the
structures of our Society,
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in our Laws,
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in the patterns
of how we just think
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that's the way you ought to act,
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that is what Paul
plants the seeds for here
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when he says that's the way
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the Christian
home is supposed to be.
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And the irony of it is...
if things don't turn around,
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well then, some day,
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if this world were to
continue as it is now,
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which we believe that
Christ will come before then,
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is that this may
become foreign again,
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yes, this language
could become foreign again,
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yeah, how sad!
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Self-sacrificial kind of love
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that is a "giving love"
towards the other person,
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see it's that
Christ loved the church
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and gave Himself up for her.
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It's wonderful
when husbands and wives
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show this kind of
love to one another.
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I remember an
experience some years ago,
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I was teaching at Union College
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and it was our
25th Wedding Anniversary
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time period, now, we've
just celebrated, recently,
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our fortieth wedding
anniversary so that's...
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this is a few years back,
and we had gotten into the habit
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of sending each other
roses on our anniversary.
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Sending each other...
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Yeah, yeah, I
would get roses for her,
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I usually get... the number
of roses for the number of years
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and then I would also add
a white rose in there as well
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Mr. Quinn: So you're a romantic.
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Yes, and my wife is too,
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so, I come to my
office that morning,
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and I walk into my
office and here is a bouquet
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of 25 red roses, and
I just laughed out loud
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because she had done this
surprise for me, you know,
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and she had this vase
with these 25 red roses in it
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and actually then I got
me... it gave me impetus
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and I called up and I ordered
25... plus the white rose
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now she would
have those as well,
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but I still remember
this, it was at lunch time,
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I was scheduled to
go to the cafeteria,
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to the Union College Cafeteria
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and to meet
with a Club of Poets,
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it was a Poetry Club
that I had helped to establish
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and so, I'm the kind of
guy that if you got good news
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man! you got to share it,
you got to share the good news,
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so, it was lunch time,
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I took those 25
roses in that big vase
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and I walked
over to the cafeteria
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and I didn't know exactly,
I didn't remember exactly
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where this
Poetry Club was meeting,
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it turns out it
was at the beginning,
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right towards the beginning,
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when you walk into the cafeteria
but I didn't realize that
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and I walked all the
way through the cafeteria
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looking for
this group of people,
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now, I don't know if you've ever
carried 25 red roses in a vase
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through a cafeteria,
I'll tell you what happened,
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everybody was turning,
looking at those 25 red roses
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when you have good
news, you have to share it,
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so, she had done
something loving.
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Hopefully they knew
who they were going to
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or who they were from.
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Again, I was impressed with
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how red roses...
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like those 25 red roses
really turned their head,
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You bet! my goodness, I
just can't believe this,
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not only are you a romantic
but you're into Poetry too,
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it doesn't get any
better than that, girls.
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I wrote poems for my wife,
I wrote sonnets for a while
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and made her cry when she
realized how much I loved her
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so, showing love, I
mean, those are small things,
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see, the kinds of
things that Paul stresses here
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are really giving
yourself, for the Apostle Paul,
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the Cross is the
paradigm for the Christian home.
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The Cross is the paradigm
for the Christian home...
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It's the paradigm for
how the husband is to show...
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it's the
self-giving sacrificial love.
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Christ was the
model for the wife,
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it says, "as to the Lord,"
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she is to
submit... as to the Lord,
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and Christ is the
model for the husband,
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he is to love as
Christ loved the church
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and we really
shouldn't be surprised at this
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because this is Christian,
it's a Christian marriage
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and Jesus said,
"Whoever will come after me,
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let him take up his
cross and follow me. "
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So we shouldn't be surprised,
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a Christian
marriage involves sacrifice
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and the very practical
aspect of following Jesus,
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is the way you're
supposed to treat other people,
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you are to treat them the
way that Jesus treated you.
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You're to forgive,
you're to be loving,
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you're to give up your
desires to help and bless them,
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see the whole Greco-Roman thing
of the husband being in charge,
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it all focuses on his desires,
now Jesus turns that around
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and there's a
new reference point,
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the new
reference point is Christ,
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you're supposed
to be it... then...
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then, this is nicely illustrated
by an interesting story
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about killing
flies, killing flies...
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I used to have
trouble killing flies,
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you know, you take
the fly swatter and
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swat at it... and the
fly... just flies right away,
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you know, until I learned
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some of what the
Scientists, you know,
00:19:07.88\00:19:10.68
your tax dollars at
work, they studied the flies,
00:19:10.71\00:19:13.01
you know, and they noticed
00:19:13.05\00:19:15.45
that they take these
slow-motion pictures...
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you know, lots of
pictures all at once,
00:19:18.32\00:19:21.49
and the fly... when it goes
up, it shies away from where the
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fly swatter is
coming down, in fact,
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I think... even some of them...
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they come up and
they go backwards
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and so, if you hit
where they're sitting,
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you just missed them
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because they're
not there anymore,
00:19:40.41\00:19:41.98
they have those eyes
that see a bunch of stuff,
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you know, so,
actually what you have to do
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if you want to kill flies,
is, you have to aim behind them,
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so you aim... just behind them
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and you get them
just about every time.
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Now, I'm... my guess
is that means here at 3ABN
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there's going to be a lot
of... more dead flies happening.
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Well, it was kind of
amazing when you started telling
00:20:06.27\00:20:08.27
that was my strategy
00:20:08.30\00:20:09.84
because I'd heard
that some place. Tom: Yeah.
00:20:09.87\00:20:11.57
You can go back
further than that
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and I don't know
how this all started
00:20:13.51\00:20:15.04
and, of course,
we grew up on a farm
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and they had no air
conditioners back then,
00:20:16.61\00:20:19.15
and there are flies everywhere.
00:20:19.18\00:20:21.22
Flies everywhere.
00:20:21.25\00:20:22.58
And they took cotton balls
and put it on the screen doors
00:20:22.62\00:20:26.69
and if somebody knows
the Science behind this,
00:20:26.72\00:20:31.63
I'd like to hear it,
00:20:31.66\00:20:32.99
but those cotton balls were
supposed to keep the flies away
00:20:33.03\00:20:35.96
well I guarantee it didn't work,
00:20:36.00\00:20:38.23
you know what I mean,
00:20:38.27\00:20:40.64
and then I'd
heard later on in life
00:20:40.67\00:20:42.97
after I had passed
the torch of "fly swatter"
00:20:43.00\00:20:45.61
to someone else, you know,
00:20:45.64\00:20:46.98
is that... it did kind
of back up a little bit.
00:20:47.01\00:20:49.98
And now so, this is my point,
the reference point is different
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the reference point, you know,
00:20:53.45\00:20:55.65
the old reference point
was to shoot where the fly was
00:20:55.68\00:20:58.09
and you will get it, you
know, the new reference point is
00:20:58.12\00:21:00.42
"shoot behind him
and you'll get it,"
00:21:00.46\00:21:02.46
so the old
reference point for the home
00:21:02.49\00:21:04.36
was my selfish desires,
00:21:04.39\00:21:06.90
the new reference
point for the home
00:21:06.93\00:21:09.13
is to be like Jesus
and to have His desires.
00:21:09.16\00:21:12.03
Remember, again we said,
00:21:12.07\00:21:13.40
"This is only possible
00:21:13.44\00:21:14.77
by the Holy Spirit
living in our lives. "
00:21:14.80\00:21:16.44
This is a very practical concept
00:21:16.47\00:21:19.27
of what it means
to be a Christian.
00:21:19.31\00:21:22.01
Sometimes people get this
idea of sort of an ethereal...
00:21:22.04\00:21:24.41
"Oh, we just believe the truth,
00:21:24.45\00:21:26.25
you know, and all
these truths about... "
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No, you know what?
00:21:27.72\00:21:29.05
The truths of the
Bible are very practical.
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Are you treating people in
your home in a loving manner?
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If we were to ask
the people in your home,
00:21:36.26\00:21:39.49
"Is this person
acting like Jesus?"
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No...
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and what they
said, and if they're not,
00:21:44.13\00:21:45.80
if they said,
"Well... sometimes... "
00:21:45.83\00:21:48.40
but if they say,
"Well, no not really... "
00:21:48.44\00:21:51.04
that's a wake-up call,
I need to be cognizant.
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There was one
time a story about a...
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I think it was a
Mennonite Preacher
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and another Preacher,
00:22:00.52\00:22:02.75
an Evangelical
Preacher had moved into town
00:22:02.78\00:22:06.05
and he came and he
met the Mennonite Preacher
00:22:06.09\00:22:09.29
and he asked him if
he'd been born again.
00:22:09.32\00:22:10.89
Okay... he asked him
if he had been born again,
00:22:10.93\00:22:14.73
I kind of assumed that the
pastor would be born again,
00:22:14.76\00:22:17.30
but this guy asked him
if he had been born again
00:22:17.33\00:22:19.87
and the
Mennonite guy said to him,
00:22:19.93\00:22:21.60
"Well, you're
asking the wrong man,"
00:22:21.64\00:22:23.27
he said, "I can give
you some names of the people
00:22:23.30\00:22:28.01
in my church or in my town
00:22:28.04\00:22:29.88
that I've had disputes with
00:22:29.91\00:22:31.65
that I've need to
make things right with
00:22:31.68\00:22:33.65
and I'll give you
the names of these people
00:22:33.68\00:22:35.55
that I've had disputes
with and you can go ask them
00:22:35.58\00:22:37.59
if I've been born again. "
00:22:37.62\00:22:38.95
See, that's
really more of a test
00:22:38.99\00:22:41.42
than my own testimony about
it, what did my family say?
00:22:41.46\00:22:45.56
Did they say, "Oh,
he's a loving person?"
00:22:45.59\00:22:47.80
Do the people I
work with in my office...
00:22:47.83\00:22:49.96
do they recognize me
as that kind of a person
00:22:50.00\00:22:52.07
or are they
glad to see me leave?
00:22:52.13\00:22:54.60
Of course, he's
out of town for...
00:22:54.64\00:22:57.11
He's out of town, okay,
00:22:57.14\00:22:58.67
but we'd better press
on here to verse 26 and 27.
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Let's read those again.
00:23:01.18\00:23:02.51
Okay, 26 and 27,
"that he might sanctify and
00:23:02.54\00:23:07.82
cleanse her with the
washing of water by the word
00:23:07.85\00:23:10.59
and that He might
present her to Himself,
00:23:10.62\00:23:13.96
a glorious church not
having spot or wrinkle
00:23:13.99\00:23:16.19
or any such thing,
00:23:16.22\00:23:17.56
but that she should be
holy and without blemish. "
00:23:17.59\00:23:20.30
All right, now, Paul again makes
a comparison to the church here
00:23:20.33\00:23:25.93
okay, he launches off
in fact into the topic
00:23:26.00\00:23:30.34
almost to the
point that people say,
00:23:30.37\00:23:32.54
"Awww... Paul, are you...
00:23:32.57\00:23:34.41
are you still
talking about the home
00:23:34.44\00:23:37.65
or are you
talking about the church?"
00:23:37.68\00:23:40.62
He talks about how Jesus
made the sacrifice that He did,
00:23:40.65\00:23:44.49
why He did that,
00:23:44.52\00:23:45.85
the purpose
was... to redeem people.
00:23:45.89\00:23:48.02
To produce in their lives a
holy and blameless character.
00:23:48.09\00:23:52.89
The washing of water,
is a reference to baptism,
00:23:52.93\00:23:55.80
they would have the
baptismal, we say today,
00:23:55.83\00:23:58.70
"I baptize you in
the name of the Father,
00:23:58.73\00:24:00.47
the Son and the Holy Spirit"
00:24:00.50\00:24:01.84
washing of water by the
Word, the washing of water...
00:24:01.87\00:24:04.44
at the same time that
the statement is made,
00:24:04.47\00:24:07.38
the goal of baptism
and Christian teaching
00:24:07.41\00:24:10.25
is a sanctified, holy
life, that you live like Jesus
00:24:10.28\00:24:15.32
and this really links
in to Paul's Ecclesiology,
00:24:15.35\00:24:20.36
this whole
teaching about the church
00:24:20.39\00:24:21.86
which runs through
the book of Ephesians.
00:24:21.89\00:24:24.09
He's got a lot to
say about the church
00:24:24.13\00:24:26.06
and he doesn't
forget to talk about it
00:24:26.09\00:24:27.96
when he's talking
about the Christian home,
00:24:28.00\00:24:29.46
he's still talking
about the Christian home,
00:24:29.50\00:24:30.87
but he places a lot of
things in here about the church
00:24:30.90\00:24:35.47
so, I'd like to
just review briefly,
00:24:35.50\00:24:37.24
we've only got a
couple of minutes left
00:24:37.27\00:24:38.77
but I'd like to review
briefly just his teaching about
00:24:38.81\00:24:44.18
the church in
Ephesians 1 verse 22,
00:24:44.21\00:24:47.35
he says that Christ is
the Head of the church,
00:24:47.38\00:24:51.59
that God gave Him this role,
00:24:51.62\00:24:53.69
Christ is the
Head of the Church.
00:24:53.72\00:24:55.06
In chapter 3
verses 10 and 21, he says,
00:24:55.09\00:24:58.49
"The Church is where God
reveals wisdom to cosmic powers
00:24:58.53\00:25:02.23
His glory is revealed in
the church to all generations. "
00:25:02.26\00:25:05.93
Now that's a
pretty striking statement
00:25:05.97\00:25:07.90
because a lot of people think
00:25:07.94\00:25:09.27
the church is
pretty much nothing.
00:25:09.30\00:25:10.71
They think it has nothing
to do with anything important.
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You know what? That's not true.
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It is in the church
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where God reveals
wisdom to cosmic powers,
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in 5:23, he says the
church is the body of Christ
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and Christ is
the church's Savior
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and in our passage
right here in verses 24 to 29,
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he says, the church is
to be subject to Christ
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and is nourished
and cherished by Him.
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So there's a process
the church goes through
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in becoming holy,
it's an initial washing
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in the waters of baptism
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and then he sets
aside the church...
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he sets aside for Christ,
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but then He purifies
the church and perfects it,
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so when you think of this
in terms of a Christian home
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kind of a concept,
you say to yourself,
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Well, this role of
Christ cleansing the church,
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does it mean that the husband
is supposed to correct his wife,
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you know, make her do this
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or make her do that,
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but he is to think
of his role in terms of,
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"How can I bless her,
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how can I help
her to be happier?
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how can I help her to be
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the better Christian
that she wants to be?"
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It's not a controlling kind of,
"I'm going to direct you... "
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it's a
self-sacrificing kind of love
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like Jesus made for the church.
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Yes, servanthood to each other.
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Right, service to each other
and taking care of each other
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so, even as he digresses
and talks about the sacrifice
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that Christ made for the church,
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he's still talking
about Christian marriage,
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he's still talking
about the Christian home,
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and you know, you could also say
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he's talking about
Christian Leadership.
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We think about
Leaders in the church
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and too many times,
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well, I don't know
about "in the church"
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I think most
people in the church,
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they want to follow Jesus,
that want to do what's right,
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sometimes we get examples...
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At least they
know the terminology
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to use and they
are there because
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they're looking
for something better.
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Yeah, people out in the world,
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they're about the power,
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or about getting
it for themselves,
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but in the
church, it's different,
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so, this kind of Leader shift
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in the home, shown in the home
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where there is self-sacrifice
made... is not hard to follow.
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Yeah...
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Yeah... you just make it so
practical and so... so simple,
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I appreciate this very much.
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We thank you for
spending this time with us,
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we do hope that you've
gained something from it,
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we look forward
to the next teaching
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in the meantime,
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we've learned more about
the instructions to husbands.
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God bless you.
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