Heaven's Point of View.
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Welcome to
Heaven's Point of View.
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As you have seen,
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this is a series of
the important topics
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related to love,
marriage, sex and divorce
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according to the New Testament.
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Our special guest
is Dr. Tom Sheperd
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who is a professor of
New Testament interpretation
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at Andrews University,
so welcome all of you.
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Yeah, thank you...
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Now, from Ephesians 5 is
one of the most talked about
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chapters written
about this issue,
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and in the book of
Ephesians, there is a lot to say
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but this is one of the
most talked about, why is that?
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Yes, Ephesians 5 is
where we have the passage
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that we will study a lot
in this section on Marriage
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that talks about relationships
within the household.
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Wives and husbands,
children and parents,
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slaves and masters
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and, of course, the one that
tends to get the biggest focus
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I think... in discussions
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is the relationship between
wives or husbands and wives
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and because Paul
talks about submission,
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this is not too
popular in our culture today
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and so it becomes an area
where people have questions
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and where there's
lots of controversy
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so, actually though,
before we launch into the study
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of that central passage
starting in Ephesians 5:21,
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we need to place the
whole passage in its context
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and... in fact the context
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helps to resolve
some of the disputes.
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Now, what is the context then?
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So, the context is...
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in our last study we talked
about Ephesians 5 in general,
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maybe we will just
turn over to Ephesians 5
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in our Bibles up there
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and last time we
looked at Ephesians chapter 5
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verses 1 through verse 14,
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and that was when I
was with Yvonne Lewis
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for that presentation and
we noticed that there were
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kind of... the
passage could be divided
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this entry in the
beginning of Ephesians 5
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could be divided into two
sections of unequal length,
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chapter 5 verses 1 and 2
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and then chapter 5
verses 3 through 14,
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and in chapter 5 verse 1,
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well, why don't you
read verses 1 and 2,
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what version of the
Bible that you are using?
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I am using the
King James Version.
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Yes, and you told me
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you have the Spanish version
right next to it. Senez: Yes.
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Tom: That's wonderful.
Senez: Absolutely, I have both.
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So, Ephesians 5 verses 1
and 2, why don't you read that?
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5:1 and 2 says, "Be ye therefore
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followers of
God, as dear children;
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And walk in love, as
Christ also hath loved us,
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and hath given
himself for us an offering
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and a sacrifice to God
for a sweet-smelling savour. "
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For a
sweet-smelling savor... yeah...
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interestingly, in my version,
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I'm reading from the
English Standard Version,
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okay, and verse 1 says,
"Therefore be imitators of God
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as beloved children,"
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I think your
version said, "followers"
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Dr. Senez: Yes.
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You know, you're "imitating,"
you're "following... "
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you're following His pattern
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so, this is Paul's kind
of thesis... you could say...
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for, I suppose... this
whole... kind of section here
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that you imitate God and
Jesus Christ's life of sacrifice
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is presented as the
paradigm by which to understand
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that imitative process
of how you walk in love,
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then in contrast,
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in verses 3 all the
way down through verse 14,
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Paul illustrates
what the Christian life
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is not supposed to be
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it is not supposed to be
like the dark world around us
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he stress that we cannot
participate in the debauchery
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and the evil practices...
that we must not imitate them
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since they are
not imitators of God.
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Okay, so, he refers
there to sexual immorality,
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and impurity, and covetousness,
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and goes on talking
about this for some time,
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he actually argues, we
could say, from three levels
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he starts with eschatology,
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he says that you
mustn't be like them
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because these evil doers will
not inherit the kingdom of God.
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That's in verses 5
and 6, then he turns to
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what we might call
a salvation history,
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kind of an argument, he says,
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"You used to be in darkness
but now, you are in light"
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so there was a
change that took place
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you went from darkness to light,
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you went from your
past to your present,
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remember where you came from?
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You can't be like
those people anymore.
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So, first... eschatology,
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they're not going to
inherit the Kingdom of God
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but of course you
will because you have given
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your life to
Jesus, salvation history,
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remember where
you have come from,
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where you are now and if
you think of the eschatology,
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you think of where
you're going, right?
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Right... so the past,
the present and the future,
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and the past does not determine
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or does not define your present
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because of the change that's
taking place in your life,
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now, you're looking
forward to that future.
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Then he also argues...
that was salvation history
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is kind of in verse 8 and then
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he argues from
morality in verses 12 and 13
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he talks of their shameful
deeds that are exposed by light.
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So, basically, in this passage
we have this sharp contrast
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between the Christian
and the world around them,
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very strong difference,
there's an interesting...
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Paul doesn't use the term here,
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but there's an interesting
concept from the ancient world
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that's interesting to understand
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and it plays
into this whole idea,
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it's the idea of conscience,
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now, we usually think of
conscience as kind of a...
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like an internal
compass or clock, that says
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when you take that cookie
you shouldn't have taken...
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"no... you shouldn't have,
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now you'd better
go walk two miles"
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or something like that...
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but, for the ancients,
at least in some respects,
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they thought of conscience
as something external,
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so, it's sometimes
translated not as conscience
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but as consciousness,
so you're conscious
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of the values of
the people around you
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of your primary group.
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So people's opinion of you
was part of their conscience.
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Yeah, the people around you
would be part of your conscience
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and you would reflect,
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you would take on the
values of that group around you.
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that's a pretty strong idea
that is still around us today
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we see people
wearing designer clothes...
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why do they wear those?
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Because everybody else
is wearing those clothes
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and young people very
much want to be like that.
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Well, Paul... and
Peter does this...
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but Paul has some of these...
to reflect some of these ideas
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in some of his
other passages too,
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has this idea that you
are now conscious of God.
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You're conscious of a
different set of values
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that have changed your life
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and you're not following
that old way of the world,
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it's like you
don't see them anymore,
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they're not the
primary group for you,
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so it's kind of interesting
that this whole idea of
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the walk that's involved
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is based out of an idea of
being different from the world
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and following Jesus,
so, thinking about that,
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we should not be surprised
that the household rules
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that the Apostle Paul
is going to present to us
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follow the ways
of the Scriptures,
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they link into God's values
and they eschew or leave behind
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or reject the world's ways,
so we shouldn't be surprised
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if his household
rules actually are at odds
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with the typical
household structure
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of the Greco-Roman world
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and we're going to see
something interesting here
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when we study all through this
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that he uses some
of the same categories
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as people of his day...
some of the same... groupings...
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there are wives and husbands,
there are children and parents,
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there are slaves and masters,
these were groups of people
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that were all in the
Greco-Roman-world household
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but he changes their roles,
he modifies what they're like
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and actually the people
that he spoke the most to...
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are husbands and slaves,
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he has more to say to
them than to anybody else
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probably because they
had the most to change
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and some of the others
were just... like they had been
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so, this really brings us
now to our passage of study
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for our discussion today
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and that's Ephesians
5 verses 15 through 21
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Should we read it
now then? Yes, please.
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Okay, 5:15 to 21,
"See then that ye walk
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circumspectly, not as fools,
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but as wise.
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Redeeming the time,
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because the days are evil.
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Wherefore be ye not
unwise, but understanding
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what the will of the Lord is.
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And be not drunk with
wine, wherein is excess;
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but be filled with the Spirit;
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Speaking to
yourselves in psalms and hymns
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and spiritual songs,
singing and making melody
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in your heart to the Lord;
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Giving thanks always for all
things unto God and the Father
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in the name of
our Lord Jesus Christ;
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Submitting
yourselves one to another
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in the fear of God. "
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Hmmm... hmmm... okay...
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Now, what does Paul mean
here by the issue of "walk?"
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What does that...?
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Yeah, it's kind of
an interesting term,
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it actually borrows...
it borrows from Judaism
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and it is a term that...
for the Jews the idea of "walk,"
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the Hebrew word is
"Halakha... " Ha la ha...
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and Halakha is an idea of...
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it's the verb or the
word that means walk...
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now, what they had in
the Old Testament stories
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that they called, "haggadah,"
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which basically
means... narratives...
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but the commands
of the Old Testament,
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they're called "halakha"
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and the halakha
word... these commands...
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that show you how you
should live your life,
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and I suppose, you
know, you teach a child
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how to walk...
and maybe they got it
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from some of those things,
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but the idea of the commands
and how you live your life
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so, it's linked up with
the idea of a way of life.
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Now, interestingly
enough, verse 15...
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before we come
to the word "walk"
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it has the word "look" look...
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and that's a word that sometimes
is left out of translations
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unfortunately,
though, you'll see sometimes
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they put it in the King James,
I like that you said, "behold"
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Senez: yes or "see" Tom: see...
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and the concept of "behold" in
the stories of the Old Testament
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is an idea of a changed
point of view or perspective,
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it's as though... here at
3ABN we're taping with cameras,
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it's as though...
you switch cameras?
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you went from one
camera to the other camera,
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you have a different
perspective or point of view
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you're now looking
from a different angle,
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so Paul may
have linked into that
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from his Hebrew background,
and said, "look" or "behold"
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it's like, "Wait, you need
this different perspective"
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and we, already have been saying
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that in Ephesians 5:1-14,
Paul has suggested and stated
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that the Christian is...
got a different point of view,
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conscious of God,
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the ways of the world
have been left behind,
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the Christian is now
living for God, and so...
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this "look
carefully" could tie into that.
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It could also tie into somewhat
of the eschatological viewpoint
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that Jesus provides in places
like Mark 15 and Matthew 24
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when he says, "keep
watch, be on your guard
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because the Master will come
back when you're not expecting"
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so Paul is giving them a warning
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there's probably some
tie into eschatology here,
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they certainly tie
into the idea of...
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the Jewish idea of the
way you live, the walk,
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and so, he says,
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"be careful how you walk
not as unwise but as wise"
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he continues to call for
this contrast from the world
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and he continues the
eschatological note as well
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because in verse
16 he talks about
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the word of "redeeming the time"
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now, my translation says,
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"Making the
best use of the time"
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I kind of like the
"redeeming the time" better.
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It's got a
little more ring to it.
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"Redeem" has the focus
of the shortness of time
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in the last days
and how you have to be
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really careful to make the
most of the time, it's so short,
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it's so precious for developing
the right kind of character
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it's like finding
water in the desert.
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Now, how does Paul continue
the idea of a "careful walk"
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in verses 17 and 18?
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All right, why don't
we read those verses again
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just so everybody has the
context and understands it well.
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"Wherefore be ye not unwise,
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but understanding what
the will of the Lord is.
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And be not drunk with
wine, wherein is excess;
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but be filled
with the Spirit... "
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Okay, so he
continues, he has a set of
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four commands, we
call them in Greek,
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we speak of "imperative"
we have that in English too,
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"Do this, don't do that"
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so, he has
these four imperatives
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two of them are negative
and two of them are positive,
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which continues
again this whole contrast
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between the worldly
way and the Christian way.
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so, on the negative, he
says, "don't be foolish,
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that's what the worldly
way is" it's the foolish way,
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he says, "Don't
be drunk with wine"
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now I can hear the
Adventists saying, "Amen"
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as we teach people not to
use alcohol, I'm thankful we do,
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it's been such a
blessing in my life
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and in my family not
to use alcoholic beverages
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and if I take off
my "Theologian hat"
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and put my
"Public Health hat" on,
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a little bit... for a moment,
alcohol is actually a sedative
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and it has the effect of
putting the mind to sleep
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it starts with the
frontal area where judgment is
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so, sometimes people will drink
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because they
want to be uninhabited
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and their
inhibitions are put to sleep,
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if you drink too much it
just keeps working backwards
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and it works it's way down down
and it will eventually kill you.
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It's an
anesthetic but not a good one
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because the distance between
what would put you to sleep
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and what will kill
you is not very far.
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The medical doctors
don't like that kind of stuff,
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so he says, "Don't
be drunk with wine,"
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he says, "Don't be foolish,
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instead understand the
will of God... the Lord"
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that's an idea of wisdom,
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he says, "Don't
be drunk with wine
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but instead be
filled with the Spirit"
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so the Spirit of God is
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is supposed to take
the place of those things
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and where alcohol
puts you to sleep,
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the Holy Spirit keeps you awake.
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The Holy Spirit
fills you with joy
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where alcohol has a false joy
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but the Holy
Spirit has the true joy
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that He gives to your life.
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So Paul is trying to
continue with this contrast
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between the old and the
new... the day and the darkness
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and so... this is part
of his line of thought.
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That's exactly right
and that brings us down
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to verses 19 to 21,
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why don't you read
those verses for us.
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"Speaking to
yourselves in psalms and hymns
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and spiritual songs,
singing and making melody
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in your heart to the Lord;
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Giving thanks always
for all things unto God
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and the Father in the
name of our Lord Jesus Christ;"
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And verse 21...
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"Submitting yourself one to
another in the fear of God. "
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Okay, this is an
interesting passage
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some Bible translations
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lists these verses as a
further series of commands,
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they will say, "Speak to
one... or address one another
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in Psalms and hymns, sing,
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make melody in your
heart, give thanks to God,
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submit to one another
out of reverence for Christ"
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Some will do it that way...
now the King James doesn't...
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and my version also does not,
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it leaves it in what
we call "participles"
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addressing and
singing and making melody
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and giving
thanks and submitting.
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So they put it in
that kind of a format,
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these five terms,
speaking, singing, making melody
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giving thanks, and submitting.
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In Greek, they're all
five of them... participles,
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now, "Participle" is
simply a verbal adjective,
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when we take a word and
put the "ing" on the end of it
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in English, like
"run" becomes "running,"
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"go" becomes "going,"
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those are, what we
call, present participles,
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and they express
actions but they could also say,
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"Oh did you see
that running man"
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so they have an adjectival
kind of a sense to them,
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now, the problem
for us in translating
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from Greek to English was
that the Greek participle was
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very flexible... very flexible,
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God must love participles,
He made so many of them.
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Smile...
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But students in my classroom
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sometimes will be
a little challenged
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because, participles can be
used in a whole variety of ways,
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they can be used as
substantives like a noun,
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they can be used as an adjective
and they can be used adverbially
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so... and it's like
about 10 to 15 different ways
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that they can be used,
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they're trying to
figure out exactly
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what kind of participle is this,
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so it's always the
student scratching his head,
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and the student
makes some kind of choice
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and then, lo and behold,
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it turns out it
is the wrong choice,
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it looks like, anyway,
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at least in terms of what
the Professor thought, okay.
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so, we want to look
at these five participles
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and one of our main interests
is that the very last one
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is the word, "submitting. "
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That's the one that is
problematic for some people.
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Yes, that's the beginning one
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for the whole instruction
to the household... see...
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and so they land on that one
and they worry about that one
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but we don't want
to worry about it yet,
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we want to try to get
it... understand it... okay...
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so the first one
of the participles
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is the word
"addressing" or "speaking"
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okay, and the last one
is the word, "submitting"
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now, these two
participles of the five,
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the first one and the last
one, deal with relationships
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between believers, okay,
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speaking to one
another, he says,
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and then, he says,
"submitting to one another"
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so, the first and the
last deal with relationships
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the second, the
third, and the fourth,
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deal with the
Christian's relationship to God,
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singing, singing
praises and giving thanks,
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the first four,
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one was about
addressing one another,
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and then... singing and
praising and giving thanks,
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the first four are
about communication
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I'm sure, you as a Counselor,
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are really... you're big
on the idea of communication
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these four... first
four... about communication,
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the unique... last
participle... the fifth one,
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is not about communication,
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instead, it's
about power relationships
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within the community, and...
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But it's interesting because
you cannot submit to anything
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unless you have
clear communication
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and understanding of
each other in a relationship.
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Yeah... or... if you don't,
it becomes the basis of fear
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or misunderstanding.
Senez: Exactly.
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you know, that
there are children
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who submit to their
parents because they're afraid,
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they don't understand
what the father is doing,
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but they're afraid
of that that spanking
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or some kind of
punishment that they will get.
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So, yeah, communication,
they are interlinked,
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there's an
interlinkage between them.
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Now, all five of
these participial phrases,
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are phrases in the life
that is oriented with God and
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Christ as the reference point,
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the five participles
also illustrate a thankful,
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joyous and solemn demeanor.
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Now, how... the
question is, you see,
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how does the Christian get that?
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How do you become
a singing Christian
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instead of a
complaining one, yeah.
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How do you become
a thankful Christian
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instead of a complaining or
downcast or discouraged one?
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and how did you learn how to
address each other with psalms
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and hymns and how do you learn
how to submit to each other?
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Well, you see, all of
these are participles,
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none of them are what we
would call indicative verbs,
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none of them are
verbs that you'd say,
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"That's the main
verb in this sentence"
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and if I just started
the sentence by saying...
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addressing one
another in psalms and hymns,
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singing and making melody,
giving thanks, submitting...
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you say, "Yes,
that's all very nice"
00:23:36.81\00:23:39.81
but those are
all partial clauses
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that's a subsidiary clause,
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where is the main
verb, where is the main idea?
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The main idea is
actually in verse 18,
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so read verse 18 again.
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"And be not drunk with
wine, wherein is excess;
00:23:53.16\00:23:59.43
but be filled
with the Spirit... "
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Yes, now this is an imperative
but Paul is challenging them
00:24:02.10\00:24:07.08
he says, "Be
filled with the Spirit"
00:24:07.11\00:24:09.31
and then the
actions... the five participles
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are actually how
the expression of
00:24:14.42\00:24:18.65
"being filled with the
Spirit" is seen in life,
00:24:18.69\00:24:21.06
when a person is filled
with the Spirit... what happens?
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They address one
another in psalms and hymns,
00:24:24.96\00:24:27.60
they sing songs to God
and make melody in the heart,
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they give thanks to God
and they submit to one another.
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You see, it is impossible,
00:24:35.37\00:24:39.34
it is impossible to fulfill
00:24:39.37\00:24:42.51
this household code,
00:24:42.54\00:24:44.15
it is impossible to be
00:24:44.18\00:24:46.31
the singing Christian instead
of the complaining Christian,
00:24:46.35\00:24:49.28
the only way that is
possible is with the Spirit,
00:24:49.32\00:24:52.62
the Holy Spirit in our life.
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Without the
Spirit, we don't have it.
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You know, I like that...
00:24:57.39\00:24:58.79
I heard this a while
back from my mother-in-law
00:24:58.86\00:25:01.70
that 3ABN was having
people pray at 7 and 7...
00:25:01.73\00:25:04.07
and you're still
praying... it's still going on?
00:25:04.10\00:25:06.20
Senez: Yes. Tom:
You pray at 7 and 7...
00:25:06.23\00:25:07.77
my wife has set up a
little alarm clock that goes off
00:25:07.80\00:25:10.91
for those are
times... times that we're home
00:25:10.94\00:25:12.71
and so... if we're at
breakfast or something,
00:25:12.74\00:25:14.48
we say, "Well,
it's time to pray"
00:25:14.54\00:25:15.88
and if we have our
grandchildren with us,
00:25:15.91\00:25:18.25
then we've already said
prayer for the breakfast
00:25:18.28\00:25:21.35
or prayer for the evening meal,
00:25:21.38\00:25:22.72
we say, "Oh, it's
time to pray again"
00:25:22.75\00:25:26.25
and we're praying
for the Holy Spirit
00:25:26.29\00:25:29.66
to touch our lives... to
touch other people's lives,
00:25:29.69\00:25:32.69
it's the Holy Spirit
that must imbue our homes
00:25:32.73\00:25:36.73
in order for this
thankfulness to be seen.
00:25:36.77\00:25:40.74
And there's one
more characteristic
00:25:40.80\00:25:43.37
that I want to note here,
one last note on this prelude
00:25:43.41\00:25:46.98
to the instructions
to the Christian home
00:25:47.01\00:25:50.48
and that is that
the Trinity is active
00:25:50.55\00:25:53.98
in this whole idea, okay,
00:25:54.02\00:25:56.79
the Father, the
Son and the Holy Spirit
00:25:56.85\00:26:01.62
are active in this
whole experience of becoming,
00:26:01.69\00:26:07.86
what shall I say,
of walking the walk,
00:26:07.90\00:26:11.63
following the Christian walk,
because if you notice here...
00:26:11.67\00:26:15.20
look at verse 18, "Do
not get drunk with wine,
00:26:15.24\00:26:18.04
for that is debauchery,
but be filled with... "
00:26:18.07\00:26:20.81
Senez: the Spirit Tom:
he's filled with the Spirit
00:26:20.84\00:26:23.14
that's got to be the Holy Spirit
00:26:23.18\00:26:24.51
Senez: Right, Tom: Right...
"Be filled with the Spirit,
00:26:24.55\00:26:26.35
addressing one
another in Psalms and Hymns
00:26:26.41\00:26:29.95
and Spiritual Songs
singing and making melody
00:26:29.98\00:26:34.12
to the Lord with your
heart, the Lord here being,
00:26:34.16\00:26:38.26
the Lord Jesus Christ, okay,
00:26:38.29\00:26:40.80
Then verse 20,
"Giving thanks always
00:26:40.83\00:26:44.10
and for
everything to God the Father
00:26:44.13\00:26:47.17
in the name of our
Lord Jesus Christ;"
00:26:47.20\00:26:50.21
so there you have
reference to the Spirit of God,
00:26:50.24\00:26:52.84
you have reference to
the Lord Jesus Christ,
00:26:52.87\00:26:57.45
and you have
reference to the Father.
00:26:57.48\00:27:02.52
So, all of these are
involved in this whole process
00:27:02.55\00:27:06.65
wherever you see the
Trinity in the New Testament
00:27:06.69\00:27:10.76
and the Trinity
comes in various places,
00:27:10.83\00:27:12.96
most often we
think of, you know,
00:27:12.99\00:27:14.60
"I baptize you in
the name of the Father,
00:27:14.63\00:27:16.36
the Son and the Holy Spirit... "
00:27:16.40\00:27:17.73
As if they were different ranks.
00:27:17.77\00:27:19.10
Well, but they're...
00:27:19.13\00:27:21.30
the Father is
usually listed first,
00:27:21.34\00:27:23.64
this is true,
but we notice here,
00:27:23.67\00:27:25.91
the Spirit is listed
first in this passage
00:27:25.94\00:27:27.98
and sometimes Jesus might be...
00:27:28.04\00:27:29.38
so, they work together
to bring us God's grace,
00:27:29.44\00:27:32.41
but wherever these
three are working together,
00:27:32.45\00:27:35.08
there, we have
something important happening
00:27:35.12\00:27:37.72
and that's
happening in our homes today.
00:27:37.75\00:27:40.26
Wow! well, it's been a
pleasure to hear your thoughts
00:27:40.29\00:27:45.09
about this topic,
00:27:45.13\00:27:46.46
thank you Dr. Sheperd
for your thoughts on this,
00:27:46.49\00:27:49.36
my friends, the
time is running out
00:27:49.43\00:27:52.77
but we are happy
that you have been with us
00:27:52.80\00:27:55.37
on this important topic
00:27:55.40\00:27:56.77
and we hope and I'm
sure that in the future ones,
00:27:56.81\00:27:59.37
you are certainly going to
have an excellent experience
00:27:59.41\00:28:03.35
in understanding
the "Ephesians" topic
00:28:03.38\00:28:06.78
on this issue that we
have been discussing here,
00:28:06.82\00:28:09.35
I hope that you
will see us next time.
00:28:09.38\00:28:11.92