Welcome to Healthy Living,
I'm your host Margot Marshall.
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Depression is more
than just a low mood,
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it's a serious mental health
condition that has an impact
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on both one's
physical and mental health.
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Today I'll be talking with a
doctor and one of her patients
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who recovered from depression
and anxiety as a result of
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simple lifestyle interventions.
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Stay tuned.
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Depression is the single
leading cause of disability
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not only in
Australia, but worldwide.
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Here to talk to us about
lifestyle interventions is
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general practitioner who
practices Lifestyle Medicine
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along with one of her
patients who has recovered
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from depression and
anxiety Dr. Coralia Gigau.
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Welcome to you Esther, lovely
that you could come and join us
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today. Tell me, you
practice lifestyle medicine...
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How long have you been
a general practitioner?
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and when did you start...
and how long ago did you start
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including lifestyle medicine?
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I graduated in 1980 in Romania.
We arrived in Australia in 1987.
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I arrived here
without speaking any English.
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By the end of 89, I
passed the AMA exam. Wow!
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I am working here in
Australia since 1990...
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So you were able to
learn the language in that time
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well enough to pass those
exams. That's very impressive.
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Impressive. In...12 years ago,
my husband got prostate cancer
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at the age of 56 and
we had been so shocked,
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he said what we have done
wrong because we have been
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like all the other Adventists
eating...considering eating
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healthy, doing
everything else good.
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My husband does not believe
it was fate, everything else was
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good. Being so shocked,
that's when we started looking,
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what was wrong?
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By God's grace we had our eyes
open and we'd been so wrong,
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we couldn't believe
how wrong we'd been.
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Tell us about that. We
started changing our lifestyle.
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Study, find out why is
this... Find out why is that?
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So, it took me quite a
long time but to re-program,
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to re-phase what medicine means.
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And what sorts of things
were you were eating that you
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realized later
were not really helpful?
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We never ate too much
meat or something like that,
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but we ate a lot of
processed food and one of our
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preferred meals
was French Potatoes.
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I don't know if you know
what French Potatoes are,
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that means it's a layer of
boiled potatoes, a layer of
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Feta cheese, a layer of eggs
and another layer of potatoes
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and you put some sour
cream on top and you put them
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in the oven. Okay. That
was an absolute disaster,
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because not only do you
have a lot of cholesterol,
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that all cholesterol is
oxidized so when you are high,
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you have a lot of
advanced glycation end products
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and this is one of the
stuff which is aging us,
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one that is
causing a lot of problem.
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So I myself, I have gallbladder
stone at the age of 42
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and I did not know by that
time, I said ah, my father had a
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gallbladder stones but in
the family, we eat the same.
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So this is why, now I know
why I have my gallbladder stone.
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So, when you husband was
diagnosed with prostate cancer,
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that was your wakeup call...
It was a real wakeup call,
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he had radio therapy and
by God's grace we changed our
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lifestyle completely and by
God's grace he's very well now.
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Oh that's really good. So you've
seen for yourself the difference
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it can make when you really
understand what is healthy
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and actually do it. And
of course it's more than just
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the food, it's exercise and
other things... It's everything.
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Yeah. All the parts,
all our environment which
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belongs to us except
the... Yes...Hydration...Yeah
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Well now Esther,
what about your story,
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what was it that was
your big health concern
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and how you at some point came
in contact with Dr. Coralia?
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My journey began three years
ago, I had a very good friend
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of mine and she was
suffering from gastric cancer.
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But before she was
diagnosed with gastric cancer
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they had a lot of
issues that had happened
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in the family with
the house being flooded,
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the house the following
year had been burnt down.
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She was my prayer partner,
she was my spiritual mentor,
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she was my best friend you know.
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We shared lots of things, I had
immersed myself in the situation
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of her being sick
and of being unwell.
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During the time
leading up to her passing away
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I suffered from...I had
been suffering from anxiety
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and I didn't even have
an idea that I was suffering
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from anxiety because I
didn't know what anxiety was.
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When people spoke about
anxiety and depression before,
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for me it was, what is
this, I don't understand it.
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Because when you
are healthy and well
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and you don't know what
other people are going through
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mentally, you really
don't have an understanding
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at all. You can't comprehend
what they are going through.
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So now, it had come to my
doorstep and she passed away
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and with her passing
away. The loss and grief
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had started an effect on
me and I wasn't aware of this.
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Just gradually I had
started the symptoms of anxiety,
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started showing up more
and more in my lifestyle,
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the way I was living.
While traveling overseas,
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I had gotten so sick
while I was in the restaurant,
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they called a paramedic
to come and the paramedics
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didn't come in time and my
husband and sister put me in the
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car and they rushed
me off to the hospital.
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The nurse looked
at me and she said,
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do you know what is
happening to you my dear?
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You're having an panic attack.
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And those words that
fell out of her mouth was
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I don't know what this is.
And they gave me medications
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in a container and they said
look, you are going to have to
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see a psychologist and
you are going to have to see
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a doctor when you get
back home to Australia,
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you are going to
have to follow up.
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Well, I just became
progressively worse.
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Mentally, physically, it started
taking full charge of me,
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I was becoming desperate
because I'd been socially
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I didn't want to
mix with people anymore
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because this fear would
arise up in me and I don't know
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where this fear come from.
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Eventually one day
I became so desperate
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I thought I need find a holistic
doctor because I was seeing
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a psychologist,
it wasn't helping me.
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I went on Google
and up came this program
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"Anxiety,
Depression" by Neil Nedley,
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run by the Casey
Church down in Dandenong.
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I though oh, maybe I
should enroll, which I did.
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I enrolled myself in his
program and in this program
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I had learned so much and
the support of the people,
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it was absolutely fantastic.
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I learned about foods, I
learned about plant based diets,
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the balancing of
it...I learned all of that and
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that was all good and
fine. The program was 12 weeks.
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After the program was finished,
I changed my lifestyle,
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I was a person that exercised
regularly and I thought that
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I was eating well.
Well, my health just started
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spiraling downwards. I
started getting severe stomach
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cramps and I say severe,
severe in a fetal position,
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stomach cramps. During this
program someone had said to me,
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you know, we see Dr. Jigau,
maybe you would like to see her.
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I thought, well okay, it
wouldn't hurt because by now
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I was at desperate
door. So I made an appointment
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and went to Dr. Jigau,
came to her and she said...
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the calm, relaxed
person that she is,
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she said tell me
what is happening to you.
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Then I started telling
her about...well, first of all
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she said what's happening
to you? My blood pressure
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was sky
high...that's what fear does.
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It actually
affects your blood pressure
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without you even knowing it.
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Then she said look, let's
get some blood tests done.
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By then, my GP that
I had seen before...
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Every time I did a blood
test and went to see him,
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he said to me, don't you
want to go on anti-depressants?
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It will really help
you. Wrote out the script,
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gave me the script,
went off to the pharmacy
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got the medication. I opened it
up, read the contraindications,
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I almost had an
anxiety attack reading that.
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I looked, I thought, I am
not taking this medication,
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what if I'm already
suffering from fear?
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You know the Bible says in
Peter 1:5, I Peter 1:5 it says..
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Be sober, be vigilant,
the devil goes around as a
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roaring lion seeking
whom he may devour and
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I started learning that
he's trying to devour my brain
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with fear because
fear was controlling me.
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But I didn't know that I
was suffering the effects
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of losing a dear friend of
mine. I did not know that it was
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having an adverse effect
on me and that was anxiety,
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which was slowly
creeping in with depression,
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and I remember sitting in
my doctor's room and I said,
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all I want is
for this to go away.
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I just want to fall asleep
and only wake up when it's
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all gone and he
said, take the medication,
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but I wasn't
convinced about this medication.
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But Dr. Jigau, her
approach was different.
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After talking to her, she
said let's go and do your test.
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I went after and
did the blood test.
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It came back I had lack
of Vitamin A, B, C, D, zinc,
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Magnesium, low levels
of Omega 3, absolutely low
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and I said to her
doctor, what do I do?
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and she said to me, let's start
with a nice whole food plant
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based diet, let's see
how we can change this.
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She said are you
exercising? I said yes, she said
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early in the morning
are you getting out there?
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We also learned that
walking in the blue light helps,
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you build up Melatonin
walking in the blue light.
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I was waking up early
and I was going for my walks
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and I was doing my exercises. I
was going for swimming lessons,
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I am a swimmer, I
was going for swimming.
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But this anxiety just
wasn't getting better,
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it had spiraled to a point
where the muscles in my back
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were spasaming so badly
that I couldn't breathe.
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Oh my goodness. I ended
up... That's incredible.
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I ended up having such a bad
attack that I ended up driving
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in to the Renewed Public
Hospital with my arms wrapped
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around my abdomen
saying I can't breathe
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and they took me in, did all
these tests and I had to stay
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there for a long period of
time and then they recommend all
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these different tests
and eventually I ended up
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going for an angiogram
and the doctor said to me,
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there's nothing wrong with
your heart, your heart is fine.
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You're suffering from
musculoskeletal issues
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and I do have Fibromyalgia
and it is actually...
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it flared up from suffering
from anxiety and depression.
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Do you know, it's an
incredibly disabling thing,
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not just mentally, but
physically as you've just
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experienced and I don't
know if people really understand
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that how bad it can be
physically and so I am really
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sorry that you have been through
that terrible journey. Go on.
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Well actually there were times
when I felt that I'm being put
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in the crucible, that I'm
being refined in this process
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of suffering from
anxiety and depression.
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I started learning to...I've
always been a prayer warrior
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and I've always journaled,
for years I've journaled.
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In sermons, I journal
them, the prayers I journaled,
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and I started turning
more and more to the Lord.
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I had suffered severe
from anxiety and depression
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that I had brain fog, I
had fatigue, I had to manage to
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scramble my body up in
the morning, get dressed,
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go to work and I had to
listen intently, I had to focus
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on what people were
saying because I needed to work.
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I needed to think more
because brain fog is very cloudy
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and your thinking patterns are
not sharp, they are not clear.
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It's a vicious cycle
anxiety and depression
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when you don't get help, it
can actually put you in a very
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precarious situation.
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Yes, well thankfully you
were able to get some help
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from our lovely doctor
here. Yes, she looked at my diet
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and she said,
okay, let's change this,
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let's start off with...You
need to build up your Omega 3's
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Esther so get some Hemp
seed, get your Chia seeds,
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get your Lin seeds, grind
them up, get a smoothie going
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let that be your
first drink in the morning.
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I started my plant
based diet, whole meal foods,
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my green vege's, my green
smoothies. She said to me,
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are you not eating your carrots?
You got no vitamin A inside
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of you? I started my...
Because when you are sick,
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your clarity of thought is not
very clear, so with coming into
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her office, her
listening to me, that empathy
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telling me you
know what, there's hope,
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this is not the end of
the road, you can get better.
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Ah! That's encouraging.
There is light after anxiety.
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There is hope and, I started
changing my lifestyle of my diet
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with colorful vege's,
colorful... getting my Quinoa
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in, my brown rice in,
my vegetables in and also
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I turned to God. I used to
rush home in the afternoon...
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to get...I
changed my work patterns.
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I used to work long hours
before, long ridiculous hours.
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I changed my hours, I spoke
to my husband and he was so
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empathetic, he said to me,
why don't you work four days
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a week and shorten your hours?
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In the meantime before I
did that Dr. Jigau said I think
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you better go for a CT
Scan... no and ultrasound.
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I had a
colonoscopy and a gastroscopy,
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they found out I was
suffering from gastritis.
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Do you want to
explain what gastritis is?
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It's just an
inflammation on the stomach.
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Yes. I had inflammation
in my mesenteric glands.
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That was mesenteric adenitis
when you came with one of the
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big problems. You know
when I examined you and you had
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such a bad... and I sent
you to have an ultrasound
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and the ultrasound was
confirming yeah, because
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we're not sure if it's
appendiscitis or it was
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inflamed. The pain. Yes! And
settle and with the lifestyle
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change God started relaxing,
the pain started easing.
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I had to see an
Osteopath... For Fibromyalgia.
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Fibromyalgia.
That's a painful journey
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in so many ways, with
so many things going on
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in your body and
you're continuing to work,
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somehow or other you just
pushed yourself through that.
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But that must have been
a really really difficult
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time of your life. Looking
at you now, it's hard to imagine
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all of that happening to you.
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So I'm taking it that
it's all a thing of the past,
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is all of that behind you? Yes!
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It's...Anxiety is something
that tries to trick the brain,
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like you have to scared
of something that is fearful
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that is going to happen but
it is not true. It's not true.
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You eventually learn
that fear comes from Satan.
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Jesus says, I come to give
you and I've come to give you
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life abundantly. Well, I think
the first thing that happened
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when His birth was
announced was "Peace on Earth"
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the last thing He said
was to the Disciples was,
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"My Peace I leave with you",
and so yes, it's there for us.
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It really is and that's what
God would like us to experience
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and it play's a big
role, the spirituality,
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the connection with
the One who created us.
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Played a huge role in our
healing, any kind of healing
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really, and a lot of it
starts in the mind. Absolutely.
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Whatever is going on in
our mind is telling the rest
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of our body things that
aren't helpful so. Absolutely.
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It's good that you had
that connection. Absolutely.
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I hate to think how different
it might be if you hadn't a
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wonderful GP and a connection
with the creator who can...
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Yeah, it's just the
changes she implemented.
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She was so nutrient
depleted, so nutrient depleted,
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that is the problem
with our western diet.
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We are very nutrient depleted,
we eat food which is very good
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taste and it's very pleasant
in the mouth and does not
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have the nutrients. I mean,
how can you expect the brain
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to work properly when you have
a vitamin B depleted completely,
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when you don't have vitamin E,
when you don't have vitamin C.
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Yep. So, this is why depression
and anxiety, that disease
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of the 21st century.
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The main problem is, we
are so depleted in nutrients.
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I had some lecture in Monash
University, I was talking about
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that microbiome and as I walked
in, it was a big panel there
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and it was written on it, "One
in four teenagers classified
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for a mental disorder."
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Isn't that tragic? One in four!
It was terrible, when I read it,
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I said Oh No! So the reason
is our kids and teenagers,
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that are eating so bad.
Apart of the other program,
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this is one of the programs.
Staying on the machines
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all the time, lots
of media interruption,
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not social connections.
Yeah! Also there was one thing
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that we learned with the
"Whole Food Plant Based Diet".
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With the Whole Foods, they
actually increase Tryptophan.
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Which is a pre-cursor
for Serotonin. For Serotonin.
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Lentils. Yes. Lentils are a
great food, we eat it at least
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twice a week. That was one
thing, I wasn't sleeping well.
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If I had two hours sleep,
maximum. Oh, you are kidding.
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A night, for a whole night?
Yes, and that was happening
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for two to three
years. Oh my goodness!
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Yes, it was a battle.
You're saying a couple hours
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sleep a night for three years.
I don't know how you lasted.
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I don't know
how you could do it.
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It can only be the
grace of God. Oh my goodness.
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He's got a purpose
for each one's life.
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How do you sleep now? Beautiful!
00:23:35.24\00:23:38.21
I sleep now. Now
I sleep like a baby.
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When I do wake up early,
it's because I need to have
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a conversation with God. Yes.
So you don't wake up fearing
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anymore. You wake up actually,
must be the Lord inviting me
00:23:55.60\00:24:00.60
to have a conversation with Him.
00:24:00.64\00:24:02.24
It's a beautiful
way to start the day.
00:24:02.27\00:24:03.81
Yes, and there are so
many people that need prayer.
00:24:03.84\00:24:07.31
Now, it's amazing how you
have to go through a journey.
00:24:07.34\00:24:12.95
Yes. To be able to
emphasize with other people
00:24:12.98\00:24:16.38
who's going through the same,
or family members who are going
00:24:16.42\00:24:20.46
through the same. Once you've
been through that journey,
00:24:20.49\00:24:24.23
you can actually give those
who are going through the same,
00:24:24.26\00:24:27.40
hope and you can actually
give them tools to help them.
00:24:27.43\00:24:33.64
To let them know, it's
not the end of the road,
00:24:33.67\00:24:36.17
there is hope on the other side.
And that's the beautiful thing,
00:24:36.20\00:24:42.08
because there is hope. The
Nedley program that you did.
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I've conducted that a
number of times and I have seen
00:24:45.68\00:24:48.95
the change that can
take place, and very quickly.
00:24:48.98\00:24:51.65
It's actually 20 weeks
for a full turn around,
00:24:51.69\00:24:54.66
but even at the end
of the few weeks program,
00:24:54.69\00:24:58.09
they are just measurably
by their own standards...
00:24:58.13\00:25:02.46
Do they test before and
after? And just implementing the
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sorts of things that you said.
The "Whole Food Plant Based Diet
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and the exercise and
the sun light and the sleep,
00:25:09.54\00:25:11.97
all of that. How long is
it taking since you started
00:25:12.01\00:25:14.81
implementing your new
intensive lifestyle treatment?
00:25:14.84\00:25:18.85
How long is it taking until you
gradually improve reasonable?
00:25:18.88\00:25:24.52
It took me 12 months.
Okay. It took me to become...
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You were extremely
at the extreme end.
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I was at the extreme end.
00:25:35.26\00:25:36.60
Honesty, I can't hardly
believe that anyone could have
00:25:36.63\00:25:40.70
two hours of sleep a night for
three years and still function.
00:25:40.74\00:25:45.81
I started...when I discovered
I was suffering from anxiety,
00:25:45.84\00:25:50.91
I was a wealthy weight of
65.8 kilograms and as the impact
00:25:50.95\00:25:58.55
of anxiety made me lose
13.8 kilograms. Oh my goodness.
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Yes! It affected my gut
and well-being so badly.
00:26:04.76\00:26:09.16
We know exactly how
it's helping, the cortisol,
00:26:09.20\00:26:13.03
the stress hormone, it is
directly impacting on your gut
00:26:13.07\00:26:17.11
bacteria, this is why you have
all the gut symptoms, you have
00:26:17.14\00:26:21.04
all the problems with
your stomach and so...
00:26:21.08\00:26:24.58
So it is known today
why this is happening.
00:26:24.61\00:26:28.65
Our gut is sometimes being
referred to our second brain.
00:26:28.68\00:26:32.65
It is our second brain...
It is more, about nine times
00:26:32.69\00:26:36.62
as many messages go
from the gut to the brain,
00:26:36.66\00:26:38.99
as the other way around
and we are just beginning to
00:26:39.03\00:26:41.50
understand how we're
made and how we function,
00:26:41.53\00:26:45.43
it's just remarkable.
00:26:45.47\00:26:46.80
As I said, the book which
I read, the professor studied
00:26:46.84\00:26:51.17
for 40 years, gut mind
interaction and he said,
00:26:51.21\00:26:55.48
we are just in the
beginning of our understanding.
00:26:55.51\00:26:58.58
Yes, just beginning
to under stand that...
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So, looking after that gut and
everything that goes in here,
00:27:00.48\00:27:04.35
ends up down there and
it's either making us well
00:27:04.39\00:27:07.99
or contributing
to our unwellness.
00:27:08.02\00:27:10.66
It's estimated that our
gut micro are making 40%
00:27:10.69\00:27:15.06
of our metabolites.
Forty per cent of the substance
00:27:15.10\00:27:18.70
which are traveling
in out gut and making
00:27:18.73\00:27:20.64
bio microbes.
Isn't that interesting?
00:27:20.67\00:27:24.34
It is important what
you put in your mouth.
00:27:24.37\00:27:26.61
See, the little microbes
down there, we either feed the
00:27:26.64\00:27:30.78
good ones or the bad ones and
that tips the scales either way.
00:27:30.81\00:27:34.55
So those wonderful healthy foods
we talked about and the physical
00:27:34.58\00:27:37.72
activity and the
connecting with the creator and
00:27:37.75\00:27:40.89
the sunlight, all that
beautiful, beautiful...
00:27:40.92\00:27:44.19
And you know if you
look at Daniel and Schadrack,
00:27:44.23\00:27:47.00
Meshach and Abednego, when
they insisted on having their
00:27:47.03\00:27:52.47
plant based diet Yes. And
in 10 days, they measured them
00:27:52.50\00:27:58.14
in 10 days, it's the
oldest clinical trial conducted
00:27:58.17\00:28:01.71
and it's still very
very valid. Absolutely.
00:28:01.74\00:28:04.88
Ten days, that was
quite remarkable and someone's
00:28:04.91\00:28:07.58
life is on the line if it
hadn't worked. Absolutely!
00:28:07.62\00:28:10.22
He would have
got his head cut off.
00:28:10.25\00:28:12.99
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00:28:13.02\00:28:17.33
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