Welcome to "Healthy Living!"
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I'm your host Margot Marshall.
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Globally, more people die
annually from cardiovascular
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diseases than any other cause.
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But most cardiovascular
diseases can be prevented
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and even reversed by addressing
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behavioral risk
factors. Stay tuned.
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We tend to associate
heart disease with old people.
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Could it be that young people
have a false sense of security?
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Let's ask today's
guest, Dr. Eddie Ramirez,
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how young do people need to
be to experience heart disease?
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They can actually start all
the way down from being infants!
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Oh my goodness! That's young.
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As we have changed
things the way they usually
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are supposed to work,
we're starting to see actually
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heart disease from babies
size, and many times due to the
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introduction of
formula and so forth
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instead of the breast milk.
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And there are small, little
injuries that start to happen
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in the arteries of those babies.
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But more worrisome is as
we move to the beginning of
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adulthood - once we finish
adolescence, there are many
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studies that have
documented that some of those
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young people, at that
young age, already have advanced
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heart disease. Advanced.
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That's right.
Advanced heart disease
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at what age are
we talking about?
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For example, let's see on
the screen a published study
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that came out a few years ago.
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You can see in the top
part, it's a 19-year-old person,
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he has atherosclerosis and
you can see where the arrows are
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on the top row - that is plaque
in the arteries of his heart
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already at 19 years old.
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That's very
young to be getting it.
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That is very young
and you know, you may say,
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"Well I saw the graphic and it
is just a little bit, big deal!"
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Big deal! Yes, it is a big deal.
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See, if you study how
fluids flow, you will understand
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that when you decrease the
diameter just a little bit,
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you're actually
decreasing flow quite a bit.
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The question goes that
the radius elevated to the
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4the power - so in other
words, a 10% decrease in the
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diameter of the artery
does not decrease blood flow by
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10% but by much more! Wow.
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So it is a big deal
and then if you can see
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in the graphic again, the lady
on the bottom, 33 years old,
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if you can see that whitish
material, this lady has about
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half of her artery
of her heart clogged
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already with atherosclerosis.
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At just 33 years
old. Just 33 years old.
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Now this is the fascinating
thing - if you were to talk
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to this lady and you ask
her for the common symptoms
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of heart disease - you
know, when you go up a flight of
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stairs, do you feel that you
need more air than what you're
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having; do you get pains
that run through your neck;
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through your arm and
so forth; she does not
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have any of those symptoms.
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Yet she has an extremely
advanced heart disease case.
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And this is the sad thing
about this - many times, this is
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happening silently and
that's why people may not be
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aware that they need to make
changes until disaster comes,
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the heart attack, the
stroke and so forth presents.
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How do arteries
actually get clogged?
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That's right.
How does this happen?
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That is actually a
very good question.
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There are many processes
that are involved in this,
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and you have many key players.
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One of them is the factor
of inflammation - we don't have
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time to talk about it in
this program but many times
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exposure to things from stress,
you know, too much stress
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happening to the
wrong types of foods,
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this can lead into that.
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And the interesting thing
is that these cases that I was
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presenting to you - that
is not something that happens
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once in a while, this
tends to be happening often.
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Even in a second study we
can actually see on the screen,
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we can see how in this
study in which young people
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died of a violent death,
they did an autopsy and 78%
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had heart disease in
an advanced type of stage.
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So, I mean, this
is a lot of people.
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This is from 100, 78
of those young people.
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Wow that's dreadful, I
mean you're talking advanced,
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advanced heart
disease at that age.
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And this is dangerous!
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See, just the last patient
I saw coming to the hospital
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with a heart attack,
within 15 minutes he was dead!
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That's how dangerous this is.
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Yes, because you were
saying it's really symptomless.
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Often people are not
getting any signs or indications
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that this is creeping
and creeping and creeping up,
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and also being so young,
they're not expecting to get
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what we always considered
diseases of old age - are they?
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That's right because that's
exactly the term - that is
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very correct and in the
old days this was called
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"a disease of old age."
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You would see it in 70s, 80s.
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Now you're starting to see
it in people as young as 50.
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Even in their 40s some
people are actually having their
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first heart attack.
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And coming a little bit
back to your question on the
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origin of the
problem, we need to understand
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a very important
part of our blood vessels.
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The inner most layer of
your blood vessels is called the
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"endothelium," and this
plays an essential part in the
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health of not only your
heart, your brain but your
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whole body.
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Think about it this way -
every cell in your body has some
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basic requirements.
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You need to have good
nutrition; you need to have
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good supply of oxygen and
as these cells are working
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they generate waste products
and those waste products
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need to be removed.
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How does this process happen?
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A key player in
this is the endothelium.
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As the oxygen, as the
nutrients are circulating
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in the blood vessels, they need
to pass through the endothelium
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then they're able to
reach the cells and the organs,
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and so forth where they
are needed, then the waste
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products need to
come out and come back
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all the way across the
endothelium, reach the blood
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then they go out and
the blood gets rid of them.
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So that endothelium, that
nice big word you're talking,
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that's just the actual
lining of the blood vessel.
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That's right!
It's very, very thin.
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It's a very delicate
area. Very, very thin.
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So think about it this
way, imagine that you are
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blocking that lining just a
little bit - it is a big deal!
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That means that those
nutrients, that oxygen
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and those waste
products are not able to have
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that interchange correctly.
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And you know, there are
some very fascinating studies,
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for example, that show
that many back pains have their
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origin there. Really?
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See, in your back, you
have very thin blood vessels,
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and sometimes those
blood vessels get damaged with
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atherosclerosis.
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So as those blood
vessels get damaged -
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And
atherosclerosis is that buildup.
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That's right, that
buildup of that plaque
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that forms in the arteries.
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That's building up and
we've got those blood vessels
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in the back - in
the bony part. Um hm.
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So as the back bones
and cartilage and so forth
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cannot get a good supply
of oxygen - as they cannot
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get rid of the waste products,
then what happens in the
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cartilage is you start getting
a cartilage that starts to
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grow in strange
forms and there are
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peaks and
things that form there.
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A similar process you
find it in the knees; a similar
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process; you find it in
the hip and osteoarthritis
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is something very common,
unfortunately in Australia.
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Many times you can trace
this to issues in the lifestyle
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that could have prevented this.
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That makes a
lot of sense really,
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doesn't it, when
you think about it.
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I love the way that
you explain that, Eddie,
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it's very simple and I've
got a picture in my mind now
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of this very thin, about
one cell thick, isn't it?
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That's right!
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But when that's blocking
and there's no passages,
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as you said, the
nutrients and all that,
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and then these things
are trying to get across
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that causes irregularities,
makes a whole lot of sense,
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doesn't it? Absolutely!
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When you first said, "Well
that could cause back pain,"
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I'm thinking -
"How does that work,"
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but you've
explained that really well.
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OH, so this is not good is it?
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Yes, so this is a process that
didn't happen overnight. No.
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These are one after
another, after another issues
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in the lifestyle that create the
environment for this to happen.
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See, the blood vessel - when
you see it in a microscopic way,
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you will see that it
has lots of immune cells
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just watching around.
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You notice this, when you're
driving here in Australia,
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I see that very often, you know
there's this police there with
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the little camera there
trying to make sure everybody
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is behaving and
everything is under control.
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In the same way, you
have immune cells lined up
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there throughout
the blood vessels.
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They're just watching
making sure everything is fine,
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but see, the problem
comes when the person eats
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oxidized cholesterol.
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Oxidized
cholesterol. That's right!
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So let's define
oxidized cholesterol.
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See, what happens when
you leave your bicycle outside
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in the rain, in
the sun and everything?
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It's going to
get oxidized. Rusty!
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So things that are
exposed to the environment,
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they tend to oxidize.
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So in the same way, cholesterol
when you expose it to
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the environment, it oxidizes
and it changes its form,
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and becomes
extremely toxic to the body.
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That's why when you eat
this oxidized cholesterol,
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you eat it through your mouth,
it goes through your stomach,
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it goes through your intestines,
gets absorbed in the blood
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and it's circulating around
while it's being processed
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so when those cells of
the immune system see that
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there is some
cholesterol running around,
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they go and eat it to
stop it from causing harm.
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Sort of well protecting
you and then they probably
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lose their own life
and are self-sacrificing.
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Because once they
eat it, it is so toxic,
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they cannot do anything
but stay there - the cell dies,
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and the cholesterol stays there.
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Now if you were to do this
once a year, I mean nothing
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is going to happen to you.
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But you know, day
after day, week after week,
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oxidized cholesterol, oxidized
cholesterol - you are creating
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a huge problem and let me
tell you an interesting fact.
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Mothers - when you compare
the milk of a human to the
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milk of a cow, which one
you think has more cholesterol?
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Well they would
both have cholesterol -
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Yes both have cholesterol.
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But you're saying
which one would have more.
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More cholesterol. I don't know.
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Actually, the mother's milk
actually has more cholesterol.
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More cholesterol than
the cow's milk. That's right!
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But you know, mother's milk
is not harmful to the arteries
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of the baby. Why is that?
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Because that milk does not
get exposed to the environment.
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The mother's milk comes
out of her breast and straight
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to the mouth of the
baby, no chance for oxidation,
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so very good and
very healthy that milk.
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So that's a hint, you
know, you want to drink milk
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that is not oxidized -
go and find a cow and hang
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yourself like, of course,
for issues of hygiene, you know.
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I wouldn't recommend that
but that would be the way.
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But see, in the old days
when you would get the milk,
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and you would leave
that milk laying around,
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what would happen to the milk?
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Well it would probably grow old.
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It would
separate. Oh, separate yes.
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You know, you don't see that
today and I'll tell you why. No.
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Yeah, the cream.
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That's right, the cream
and the serum, you know,
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gets separated.
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Now the reason why when
you go to the market to buy
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cow's milk, the
reason why it's not separated
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is because today we run
a special process on milk
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in which we put high pressure
on a very small hole and milk
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gets mixed like that and in
that way it doesn't separate.
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But think about what we're
doing, we are putting that milk
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and we're making small droplets
of milk and every single
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one of those droplets
is being exposed to the air
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basically oxidizing
that milk so that milk
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has high levels of
oxidized cholesterol.
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And then you add sugar
to that mix and you even
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oxidize even
further that cholesterol.
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Oh my goodness, so the
bottom line is we're talking
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about mother's milk having more
cholesterol than cow's milk,
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but you're saying
that mother's milk doesn't
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create any difficulties
because it was not oxidized.
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That's right! But
the cow's milk does.
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Exactly! So it's
beneficial, it's good for you,
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and so forth.
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So an indirect indicator,
there are many indicators
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that things are well or not well
would be the cholesterol levels.
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You know, we have found out
that there is C-reactive protein
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and many other very
important key players.
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But still cholesterol
does play a very important role
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in the development
of atherosclerosis.
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We can predict, you
know, if you have high levels
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of cholesterol and high
levels of LDL cholesterols,
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you are in big risk of
developing this atherosclerosis
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in your arteries.
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Now milk is not the
only place where we're going
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to get cholesterol or
even oxidized cholesterol.
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So where else
might that be a problem.
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So as a general rule,
let's try to learn this.
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Any animal product
has cholesterol. Right.
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Cholesterol is only
found in animal products.
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So we're talking about the
eggs, the cheese, the meat,
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the chicken and so forth.
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Now the good news about
the levels of cholesterol,
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I actually have had
the privilege of publishing
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in the scientific literature
about this topic. Okay.
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We can see on the screen a
study I presented in a very
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important meeting, "The
American Heart Association,"
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these were actually
my personal patients.
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And, I was demonstrating
here that in a community base,
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I'm not living with them
or anything, I just took a
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blood sample and then I
started doing some education.
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I started opening their
eyes, where the cholesterol
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comes from; how to substitute
foods; how to start doing
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some exercise; how to drink
more water; how to rest more
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properly and in two weeks
I took blood samples again.
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And the study here demonstrated
that even the bad cholesterol,
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the LDL cholesterol
quickly starts coming down in a
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matter of two weeks.
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That's incredible!
Just a couple of weeks!
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Just a couple of weeks.
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And to what extent
roughly was that reduction?
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That's right, the
reduction was very interesting.
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It was related to what
level of cholesterol they had.
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the higher the level
of cholesterol, the more
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that it decreased -
isn't that fabulous?
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It is actually because it
would be a problem if you had
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normal cholesterol and it
decreased - you wouldn't that.
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That's right! But
isn't it interesting
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how the body just seems
to have its own little gauge
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and regulations?
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In fact, here in Australia I
actually have friends that are
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involved in research and
they run a program called,
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"CHIP," if you want
to lower your cholesterol
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in a physiological, natural
without suffering type of way,
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find a "CHIP" program in
your area and participate in it.
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That's "CHIP," and
we're not talking about the
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deep-fried ones.
That's right! Laughter.
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That stands for "Complete
Health Improvement Program."
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Correct, that's right!
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And I've run many of
those and I've seen what you're
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talking about. Congratulations!
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You are doing a blessing to the
communities here in Australia!
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Yes they are, they
are just incredible.
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But look, what we find
people being told usually -
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if they're trying to avoid
heart disease or if they've got
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high cholesterol and so
on, if so, will eat white meat
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and low fat dairy
products. That's right.
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What do you have
to say about that?
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That is an excellent way of
ending up with a heart attack!
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There was a fabulous
published study that came out
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a few years ago in
which we compare the classic
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counsel as you're
telling me; the white meats,
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the low fat dairy and they were
very carefully monitoring people
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that they were just to eat that.
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They compared that against
a full plant-based vegetarian
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diet and you know what happened?
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Those people that were
following the white meat
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counsel - those people started
developing atherosclerosis.
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How many of them?
Eighty percent of them
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started having progression
of their atherosclerosis.
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It got worse? It got worse!
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And you know, I see
this in medical consultation.
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Some patients somehow get on
the internet or somebody else
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tells them about it and
they're eating all this chicken
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and so forth, and they
tell me, "Doctor, I'm so tired
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of eating chicken that I'm
even getting some feathers out."
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"And why is my
cholesterol not coming down?"
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I tell them, "You know,
well I have bad news for you,
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your cholesterol is not going
to go down with that diet."
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While the people that were
doing the full plant-based diet
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also known as a vegan
diet, actually their cholesterol
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started coming down and
when they ran imaging studies
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to see what was the
status of the atherosclerosis,
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atherosclerosis was
decreasing in their body.
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How much? Eighty-five
percent of them atherosclerosis
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started reversing.
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And you know, I have 23
years that I have worked
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in lifestyle centers in
Norway, in Africa, in America,
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and many other places in
this world, and I have seen
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this personally - it's not
that I read about it or somebody
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told me - my own
eyes have seen this.
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So what we need to do, we
need to analyze populations
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that are doing good and
try to learn from them. Yes.
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For example, I have a
picture that I personally took
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from Africa and these people
in Tanzania invited us to eat.
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And you can see there,
there's a pot of beans,
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there is some sort of
chapatti-tortilla type of thing.
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There's a sauce;
there are fruits and
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there is some
avocado, that was their meal.
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See, people down there
follow a plant-based diet
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because there are no
stores to buy products.
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You have to plant your
meals if you want to eat.
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Now, people down there -
that's what they eat usually
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every single day!
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Many of them are not
healthy-oriented or whatever,
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but that's what they HAVE
00:23:40.48\00:23:42.28
to eat. That's just what they
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eat and that's just
what they use to eat.
00:23:43.69\00:23:45.19
I mean some people, for
example, they can go and
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catch a monkey and eat
it, but I can tell you,
00:23:49.29\00:23:53.23
catching a monkey is
not something very easy.
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That's not something you
would do every day, you know.
00:23:55.50\00:23:58.40
No, it just doesn't
appeal to me very much either,
00:23:59.17\00:24:00.97
I quite love monkeys actually.
00:24:01.00\00:24:03.87
Yeah, so that's
great, you've actually seen
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this happen and it just happens
quickly, isn't that beautiful?
00:24:06.44\00:24:09.91
And one of my favorite words
that I hear you use is this
00:24:09.94\00:24:12.71
reverse thing.
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I mean it's marvelous not
only that you can halt a disease
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and stop it from getting
worse, but that you can actually
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turn it around and
quickly. Absolutely!
00:24:20.19\00:24:22.89
That's the beauty of this.
00:24:22.92\00:24:24.89
Let me share - yes go ahead.
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And measurably quickly
because you do the blood test
00:24:26.86\00:24:29.90
you do all the measurements
and so it's not just
00:24:29.93\00:24:32.93
people saying, "Ah
yeah, yeah, I think
00:24:32.97\00:24:34.47
that worked." That's right.
00:24:34.50\00:24:35.87
You know clinically
that it really did work.
00:24:35.90\00:24:38.87
There is Dr. Caldwell,
he is actually a coauthor
00:24:38.91\00:24:43.55
with me in a book I wrote.
00:24:43.58\00:24:45.18
The book I wrote is
called, "Rethink Food,"
00:24:45.21\00:24:48.45
and we are
coauthors on that book.
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I have that book. Yes!
00:24:50.15\00:24:52.99
And Dr. Caldwell did a fabulous
study in which he was showing
00:24:53.02\00:24:59.13
how this reversal is
happening with imaging studies.
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So what they did, they
did some angiograms in which
00:25:04.07\00:25:07.37
you put special
solution through your veins,
00:25:07.40\00:25:10.97
then you take an x-ray
and in that way you can see
00:25:11.01\00:25:13.74
the real condition
of the arteries. Yes.
00:25:13.78\00:25:15.91
Let's see that on the screen.
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You can see on the left side,
that is before the experiment.
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You can see the diameter,
as you follow that and when
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you see the white
lines, suddenly the diameter
00:25:26.52\00:25:29.26
decreases dramatically.
00:25:29.29\00:25:30.63
All that I want you to imagine
that plaque of atherosclerosis.
00:25:30.66\00:25:35.70
And then 36 months
without cholesterol-lowering
00:25:35.73\00:25:40.10
medication, just a
full vegan vegetarian diet,
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you can see the same artery of
the same patient on the right,
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and this is published in
the scientific literature.
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Yes, I've seen
that, that's in his book,
00:25:48.88\00:25:50.81
Dr. Caldwell
Esselstyne - he came to Perth
00:25:50.85\00:25:53.11
one time when we were
there and gave some talks.
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It was really remarkable.
00:25:55.65\00:25:57.15
And I like the way
that he calls it - he said,
00:25:57.19\00:25:59.75
"Heart disease is a
tiger that doesn't have teeth."
00:25:59.79\00:26:05.93
So you don't have to
get bitten by that tiger,
00:26:05.96\00:26:10.37
and even if you're
choices have not been the best,
00:26:10.40\00:26:13.90
you still can change it.
00:26:13.94\00:26:15.74
See, the reason why the
famous "Viagra," the medication
00:26:15.77\00:26:20.91
for male issues is so
common today is because it's an
00:26:20.94\00:26:27.68
indirect reflection of how much
atherosclerosis is in our midst.
00:26:27.72\00:26:33.96
A lot of that
impotence can be directly
00:26:33.99\00:26:38.66
linked to atherosclerosis.
00:26:38.69\00:26:40.06
And a wise physician knows
that when you are starting to
00:26:40.10\00:26:44.30
have those types of
physiological problems,
00:26:44.33\00:26:47.04
the same thing is happening
in your heart and your brain,
00:26:47.07\00:26:52.37
and you are a very high risk
for heart attack or a stroke.
00:26:52.41\00:26:58.15
There is no need to
have these problems. Right.
00:26:58.18\00:27:01.92
So erectile dysfunction is
actually the warning sign that
00:27:01.95\00:27:07.19
something else
really bad is going on.
00:27:07.22\00:27:09.06
In many of the cases, that
is the case, so beware of that.
00:27:09.09\00:27:14.70
A really big wakeup call and
I think it's probably one that's
00:27:14.73\00:27:18.53
works very well for men too.
00:27:18.57\00:27:20.24
That's right, I've seen the
reversal in clinical practice,
00:27:20.27\00:27:25.04
I can tell you
story after story.
00:27:25.07\00:27:27.48
I would highly advise
you to give a chance for this
00:27:27.51\00:27:31.98
whole foods plant-based
diet to work in your body
00:27:32.01\00:27:35.12
and you will see the
huge difference. Yes.
00:27:35.15\00:27:37.69
Yes, Dr. Esselstyne is
actually an Olympic athlete.
00:27:37.72\00:27:43.32
He won gold
actually. That's right.
00:27:43.36\00:27:45.26
And as much as he believed
in exercise, he didn't even
00:27:45.29\00:27:48.93
include that in his
study because he just
00:27:48.96\00:27:52.27
wanted to show
what food could do.
00:27:52.30\00:27:53.84
But, of course, if you
exercise as well, then you'd
00:27:53.87\00:27:56.60
certainly do even better.
00:27:56.64\00:27:59.14
Well we hope this has been a
really helpful program to you.
00:27:59.17\00:28:02.31
I'm sure in many, many ways
it has been and just to think
00:28:02.34\00:28:06.15
that you can make such
incredible changes so quickly
00:28:06.18\00:28:10.92
and it's just great to be able
to just turn your health around.
00:28:10.95\00:28:14.79
Your health is very precious and
I'd really encourage all of you
00:28:14.82\00:28:18.99
to think of at least one
thing that you could do today
00:28:19.03\00:28:22.36
to live your life to the full.
00:28:22.40\00:28:24.17
And if you'd like to
watch our programs on demand,
00:28:24.20\00:28:26.90
just go to our
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00:28:26.94\00:28:30.81
and click on the watch
button and God bless you!
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