Welcome to "Healthy Living!"
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I'm your host Margot Marshall.
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There's a lot of
controversy about soy,
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is it good or bad for me?
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And for that matter, is
milk good or bad for me?
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Stay tuned as we
explore some of the current
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research on these two foods.
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When it comes to deciding
whether a product is healthy
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or not, vested interests aren't
the best source of information.
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So what does the research
have to say about milk and soy?
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Dr. Eddie Ramirez has
studied the scientific research
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and he's here today
to share it with us.
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Welcome Eddie!
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Thank you very much for
having me here. A pleasure!
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What can you tell us
about this controversy that goes
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on about soy and then
again, what about milk?
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Yes, we're going to talk a
lot about these two topics.
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You will be
receiving lots of information.
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Get a pen and paper
so you can take notes.
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And when we're talking
about milk, please understand
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we are not talking
about human breast milk.
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That is something I
encourage every single one of my
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patients to
breastfeed as much as possible.
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It has huge implications
in the health of the baby.
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The risk of pneumonia, for
example, decreases dramatically.
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The risk of the famous crib
death decreases dramatically
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when a baby is breastfed.
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The IQ of the baby is higher
when they receive breast milk,
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and there are studies that
are tracing that kids that were
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bottle-fed - they have higher
risk of heart disease, diabetes,
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Crohn's disease,
ulcerative colitis and the list
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just goes on and on and
on when you put things in
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perspective, it's
definitely worth it.
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When I was living in Norway,
I lived there for many years,
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my first daughter was born
there - they actually encourage
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mothers to take one year
off their job so they could
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really focus on their
baby because they saw the
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implications
that this would have
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in the long-term of that baby.
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So we are not going to be
talking about breast milk,
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you should do
breast milk and so forth.
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We're talking today about
milk usually that comes from
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cows - that's the one
we're going to be talking about.
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Alright, well that's
good to clear that one up
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and I'm glad you said
that about breast milk because
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it's just so important. Yes!
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And you know, today
there are many companies that
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what they care about is money,
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and not necessarily
may be their well-being.
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And we have created a science
of creating the ideal cow,
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and we can see
that on the screen.
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It's going to be weighing
between 1,000 and 1,500 pounds
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in American terms - we
want this cow to grow as much as
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possible.
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And you know, in this industry,
there are many things that
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don't go right.
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Just in America,
almost a 100 million cows are
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there and today, we are
understanding the implications
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of that including the beef cows,
the milk cows and the calves.
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And it is actually a little
bit cruel the way this works;
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cow's milk is designed for
baby cows and those baby cows
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are taken away
from their mother.
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You know how you love
your baby and so forth?
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Cows love their babies
also and there is actually
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some emotional disturbances
and so forth, when they are
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being taken away.
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And see, the reason why
there are issues with this
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is because, as I mentioned
and I'll repeat, cows' milk
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is a fabulous
food for the baby cow!
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But the humans are not
designed for this excess.
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For example, when you see
the protein amount on different
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milks and how fast the
animal doubles his weight,
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you can see
that correlationship.
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For example, just
last year I was in India.
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I had the opportunity of
visiting a fascinating place,
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a temple where they would
go there and worship rats!
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And the irony is that
there are people that are dying
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of hunger in India, yet
they are cooking and making
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foods for rats!
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There were
thousands of thousands
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of rats there
in that temple. Oh.
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Those rats, they need to double
their weight in only 4.5 days.
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So that's why rats' milk
has 11.8 grams of protein,
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so a very, very high amount.
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You compare that with,
for example, goats' milk
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and that's 4.1 grams compared
to the fact that it will
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double its weight in 19
days, cows have 3.3 because
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they'll double
the weight in 47 days.
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And please notice, human beings
they will double their weight
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in 180 days and that's
why human milk has 1.2.
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So compare the 1.2 to the 3.3
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of cows. And
this is the protein.
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That's the protein
content, and not only that,
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all the other different
indicators when you compare
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how much it has milk, how much
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human milk has,
it's a big difference.
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For example, calcium, you know;
calcium - we're talking about
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in the range of 40
grams compared to cows 198.
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It is too much!
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That's about 5 times as
much calcium in cows' milk,
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so not really designed for
a human baby or human at all.
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The same thing with
phosphorus. That's right!
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Phosphorus, 18 on
human, 152 on the cows.
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See, that is a lot and
actually when you are eating
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foods that are
high in phosphorus,
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the effect that that
has on the human is that it
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encourages
throwing out the calcium
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which is not a good idea.
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You know,
especially ladies, you want
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to have your strong bones.
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So it's like drinking soda pop.
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See, soda pop is high in
phosphorus and that creates
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the leaking of the calcium.
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The same thing with sodium.
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Human milk 23, cows 80.
Too much, it's too much!
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Potassium also an excess.
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So I don't like to encourage
people to do this because I
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know the negative implications
that these have in their body.
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Yes, so we tend to make
cow's milk the benchmark
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for nutrition for
humans and you've just outlined
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in every respect, it's just not
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and it doesn't fit
what we need at all.
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In fact, right now I am
involved in a big research
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project in India - back when
the English came to England,
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they had the term "white
schools," in which they were
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encouraged drinking
milk to the children.
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But they did not realize
there that a lot of the Indian
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population actually has
intolerance to the milk,
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and right now
that's exactly a research
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project that we are doing.
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Indian people are not
just one group of people,
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but there are hundreds
of different ethnic groups
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there that live in India.
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So we are trying to analyze
and understand which groups
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tend to handle better -
which groups tend to hand worse,
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but some of those groups,
70% of them, don't handle
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milk well.
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So they have a
lactose intolerance.
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The English came and
encouraged the drinking of milk
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and many health
problems related to this.
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And you know, when
we're talking about dairy,
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I want you to understand
that we're talking about
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nonfat milk, buttermilk,
cheese, cottage cheese, yogurt,
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ice cream, kefir, butter,
whey, all these things fall
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under that umbrella of
what we are talking about today.
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And you know, the same
situation happened in Mexico,
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in Latin America - there came
some terrorists across the ocean
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on some boats and from Spain
to the Americas and they brought
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foods that were not there.
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See, in the continent of
America there were no cows;
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there were no horses;
there were no chickens;
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there were no pigs there,
and they brought these things.
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And the people living
there were not exposed
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to milk products
for thousands of years.
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And as these products arrived,
this is something modern,
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and especially the people
that have more native blood
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tend to have more
problems with these products
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because their system has
not been exposed to them.
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So we find a huge
amount of milk intolerance,
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yet is the staple of
many people to use them.
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That's right, and we're
not even designed for it
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or it wasn't even designed
for humans - it was designed
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for baby cows, so
it's not surprising.
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I guess we've built up a bit
of a tolerance in the developed
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countries but some
have, some haven't.
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But really, it's
not even good for people
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who can tolerate it.
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That's right because it's
not only the protein per se,
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but also the other
nutrients that are in excess
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such as
cholesterol and so forth.
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And we're talking about
a business that is in the
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billions of dollars. Yes.
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So you know, when there's this
type of commercial interest,
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many times what they
want is to sell their product
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and they may modify
things and so forth.
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And it's interesting you know,
I travel to many countries,
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many, many countries - pretty
much to all the continents
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on this planet, and I can
tell you; for example, in India
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and in Africa especially,
African-origin people
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have a BIG
intolerance to milk products.
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I went there to communities
where there is no milk,
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yet, when you
analyze those people's bones,
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their bones are strong,
the children grow adequately;
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they are able to do
well in school and so forth.
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And don't say, "Well
doctor, don't you know
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people are dying of hunger?"
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No, they're not dying of
hunger, I saw with my own eyes.
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Yes, there are families, you
know, where there's alcoholism
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and these types of
issues and they may suffer
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but the average
person there is eating enough
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and what they eat is a
whole foods, plant-based diet.
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That seems to be
a recurring theme.
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Now this is a very
interesting point and I think
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it's probably the most
important thing that people
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consider because we hear a lot
about calcium and the need for
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more calcium and so on,
and of course, cow's milk
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is the highest source
of calcium in the diet,
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so how do you explain that
people who are not using any,
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has got strong
bones? That's right!
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And how people who use a lot,
do not - how does that work?
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In fact, there is a
fascinating relationship.
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We can see in a
published study, on the screen
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the comparison
between those countries
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that drink the most calcium,
yet they have the highest
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rates of hip fracture which
is an indicator of osteoporosis.
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If you want to picture
Australia is somewhere between
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The United Kingdom and
New Zealand, that's where
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we find Australia
which is very high!
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How come they're
eating humongous amounts
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of calcium - yet they have
such high rates of osteoporosis?
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You've asked the question,
now I want you to answer it.
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Let me share with
you how this works.
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Yes because usually that calcium
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comes from
dairy-related products.
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So you're taking the calcium,
yes, but you're also taking
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huge amounts of animal
protein which, unfortunately,
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tends to be an
acid-forming protein.
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So that excess amount of
protein published research over
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and over has shown that when
you take that high amount of
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protein together with
the calcium, instead of
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putting that calcium in
your bones, you actually
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have the negative effect
and you actually take away
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some of the calcium from
your bones and throw it away.
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In fact, you can
measure this in the laboratory.
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You give more animal products
and I'll show you that in
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your urine the
calcium is being dropped out.
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Not only that, it's a
problem because the kidneys
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- the calcium needs to
pass through the kidneys
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and you can form kidney stones.
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I was just reading recently
from a residency book of
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nephrology, you know the
specialist on the kidneys,
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literally it says there in
that book - "People that are
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recurrent calcium stone
formers should consider becoming
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vegetarians -
that's what it says there.
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The specialist
book on nephrology!
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Because we know that
relationship and not only
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milk will do this, also meat,
chicken and animal products
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they are very acidic
and that will have that
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negative effect on your bones.
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So if you want to have
strong bones, the best things
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you can do is to remove
yourself as far away from milk.
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Now, the problem is
that the marketing industry
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has done a fabulous job
at brainwashing us. Yes.
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And when you ask somebody,
"Where does calcium come from?"
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You're going to say, "Milk."
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You're just programmed to
say that because of marketing.
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You think about - oh
raising a child without milk,
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oh, that's child
abuse, you may say! Yes.
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But you know, when
you think about it,
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where does the
cow get its calcium?
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That's right! Green leafies!
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Exactly! See, calcium is in
the ground, so I don't see cows
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eating dirt and things;
so yes, the plant absorbs
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the calcium through the
roots, gets in the plant
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and that's when you eat it.
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You can do exactly the
same thing as the cow is doing,
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and get that from there.
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I have three daughters -
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If we can put a man on
the moon, we can probably
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work out how to get our calcium
from the same way a cow does.
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I have three daughters,
the three of them grew with,
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of course, breast milk and after
that not a single drink of milk.
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They are strong, they
are their normal weight,
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their normal height and they
do fantastically well in school.
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And you know, there's
research on this - if you go to
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the scientific literature,
there are 57 published
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studies that I could identify,
there may be a little bit more
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if you look forward,
but the ones I identified,
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there were 57 and I
started counting, 57% of those
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57 studies showed that
there is no significant benefit
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of drinking dairy
and your bones. Yes.
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Twenty-nine percent said
there's a little bit favorable
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effect and if you analyze
those 29 studies, 6 of them
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were sponsored by
the milk industry.
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So you could say it has a
little bit of a marketing effect
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compared to 14% of those
studies they show that it was
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an adverse effect in your bones.
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Interesting, now you're talking
about the plant-based diet
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being good for our bones
and the animal-based foods being
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the ones that
deplete the calcium.
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I was looking on the "World
Health Organization" website
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recently and the
healthy diet and the fact sheet
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for a healthy diet and
it lists fruits, vegetables,
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legumes or beans, nuts
and, what was the other one?
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And grains. And grains, whole
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unprocessed
grains. That's right.
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There's no mention of milk.
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There's no mention of any of the
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meats or even
eggs. That's right!
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And a healthy diet,
according to the "World Health
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Organization," comprises
of all those plant foods.
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That's factsheet #394,
if you want to check it out.
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Fact sheet 394 on the "World
Health Organization" website.
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So it really bears out what
you're saying and, of course,
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the original diet
that the Creator gave us
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is what you've been talking
about - it was all plant foods.
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And you know,
there is right now a big
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attack on soy products. Yes.
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Part of this is the
milk industry running rumors
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and so forth; part of it
is uninformed people that call
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themselves "experts"
while they're not and running
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all these rumors against
soy that are not justified.
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Let me just deal with
a few of the arguments
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and what is the
reality of the situation.
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Some people say that because
of the substances found in
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soy, you actually have
an antinutrient effect.
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In other words, you actually
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lose nutrients
when you are eating soy.
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The reality is that when you
cook and process soy products
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with cooking and fermentation,
these antinutrients substances
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get eliminated.
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Oh, well you don't eat
them raw, I mean you wouldn't
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eat it raw in any
way, you just wouldn't.
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You would never
eat soy raw, exactly!
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So that's why those
substances theoretically that
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could harm you, they're
not present as you process
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which is the way that
we usually eat our soy.
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Nobody eats raw
soybeans that I'm aware of.
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That's very misleading isn't it?
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So be careful with that lie.
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Two, some people say,
"It has phytochemicals
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which have an effect and
could actually increase cancers
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theoretically."
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That is not what we found
when we analyze groups that have
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high levels of soy.
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See, I travel to many countries
in Asia and the interesting
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thing is that actually
in Asia, you find the most
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healthy people on planet earth.
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It is not the Mediterranean -
in the Mediterranean you still
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have a lot of heart disease,
a lot of strokes, a lot of
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diabetes - rates are a little
bit lower than the Western
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world, but they are still
quite present and very common,
00:21:33.62\00:21:37.26
and number one causes of death.
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Yet when you travel to rural
Asia where people have been
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eating high levels of
soy for long periods of time,
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you find very low rates
of things like breast cancer
00:21:50.64\00:21:55.51
and prostate cancer and so
forth, when you analyze the
00:21:55.54\00:22:00.62
epidemiology of countries
like Japan and you compare them
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like the U.K. or
Australia and so forth.
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So it actually has an anticancer
effect, the consumption
00:22:08.06\00:22:13.19
of the soy products.
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So that's just the very opposite
of what is being alleged.
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That's right! It has
an anticancer effect.
00:22:17.97\00:22:20.64
Also some people say that
it actually increases heart
00:22:20.67\00:22:26.34
disease - again
through theoretical models,
00:22:26.37\00:22:30.45
you may think that, but
that's not what we found.
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When you compare heart
attack rates with countries like
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Thailand and Japan and so forth
against Australia for example,
00:22:38.79\00:22:45.43
the rates are
phenomenally different.
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People have less heart
disease there, yet they consume
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much more soy products. Yes.
00:22:53.07\00:22:55.90
And also the sex hormones
- some people I've seen in my
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clinical consultation,
they come and they're afraid
00:23:00.31\00:23:03.48
that they're not going
to want to give soy milk
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to their boys because they may
become effeminate and so forth.
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I can tell you that does not
happen in the clinical practice
00:23:12.09\00:23:17.99
when you see and
start to follow-up that.
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See, the beneficial
effects of soy actually are very
00:23:22.06\00:23:28.47
markedly seen in ladies that are
passing through their menopause.
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When they're passing through
their menopause, when you
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compare Australians, U. K.,
America against those people
00:23:37.51\00:23:43.59
in rural Asia where
they have high levels of soy,
00:23:43.62\00:23:47.26
the amount of menopause-related
problems such as the famous
00:23:47.29\00:23:53.03
hot flashes - are
almost unknown there.
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Some of them don't even
have a term for that, do they?
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That's right! It's
just something that happens.
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So that's why even some
phytoestrogens may be actually
00:24:02.34\00:24:07.94
beneficial to take for
those ladies going through that
00:24:07.98\00:24:12.45
process of the change of life.
00:24:12.48\00:24:15.42
And one worrisome thing
about milk is that it increases
00:24:15.45\00:24:21.32
something that is called,
"the insulin growth factor"
00:24:21.36\00:24:26.26
or also known as IGF-1, and
high protein foods - milk, meat,
00:24:26.29\00:24:34.34
and chicken increase this.
00:24:34.37\00:24:36.64
See, this factor
makes things grow fast!
00:24:36.67\00:24:40.48
So, for example, you have tumor
cells - every single one of us
00:24:40.51\00:24:45.45
generates tumor cells
every day, our immune system
00:24:45.48\00:24:49.48
takes care of them, but
if you have onboard too much
00:24:49.52\00:24:53.56
of that IFG, you can
actually encourage the growth of
00:24:53.59\00:24:59.06
those cancer
cells which is negative.
00:24:59.09\00:25:03.20
Now soy in excess could
have this negative effect,
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just be temperate, don't drink
the whole gallon of soymilk.
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If you drink just a
couple of cups of soymilk,
00:25:13.81\00:25:17.75
you are perfectly fine.
00:25:17.78\00:25:20.15
Excess theoretically could
be problematic, so just use
00:25:20.18\00:25:24.39
temperance and use
legumes as rotation, you know
00:25:24.42\00:25:27.72
not only milk but
there are many other legumes
00:25:27.76\00:25:31.79
you can take advantage of that.
00:25:31.83\00:25:34.10
So that idea that you
need strong bones and only milk
00:25:34.13\00:25:40.07
can give it to you,
that is actually not correct.
00:25:40.10\00:25:42.74
It's not the reality,
it's not what happening.
00:25:42.77\00:25:44.87
I mean, we saw that image there
and as the calcium increased,
00:25:44.91\00:25:50.21
so did the hip fracture rate,
so it's not just an isolated
00:25:50.25\00:25:54.58
study - this is whole
populations that's being
00:25:54.62\00:25:57.15
demonstrated
throughout whole populations.
00:25:57.19\00:25:59.19
But that is not valid to
say that milk is going to do it.
00:25:59.92\00:26:03.32
And many people don't
realize what they are drinking!
00:26:03.36\00:26:06.59
For example, the international
standards including here
00:26:06.63\00:26:11.20
in Australia allow a certain
number of white blood cells.
00:26:11.23\00:26:16.14
Do you know what white
blood cells are? Of pus!
00:26:16.17\00:26:19.74
When you are drinking milk,
00:26:19.77\00:26:22.54
there is pus
inside of that milk.
00:26:22.58\00:26:27.08
It has a certain limit that
it should have (Oh that's nice!)
00:26:27.12\00:26:31.52
but it is allowed
to have that. Ohh.
00:26:31.55\00:26:34.96
I've seen many kids in the
clinical practice, they have
00:26:34.99\00:26:38.39
repeated infections of the
ear and sinus and so forth;
00:26:38.43\00:26:44.43
we take them off dairy.
00:26:44.47\00:26:46.13
Those things disappear!
00:26:46.17\00:26:48.04
And this is published
in pediatric journals,
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I'm not making this up,
because milk is rich also
00:26:50.77\00:26:54.68
in certain bacteria also.
00:26:54.71\00:26:57.28
So why expose yourself to these
00:26:57.31\00:27:02.15
kind of issues
if you can avoid it.
00:27:02.18\00:27:06.32
And also the terminology
is a little bit deceptive.
00:27:06.35\00:27:08.92
"Whole milk," are you
aware, is 49% fat, I mean it's
00:27:08.96\00:27:13.33
tremendously high.
00:27:13.36\00:27:15.06
In fact, low fat milk still
is pretty high, it's 21% fat
00:27:15.10\00:27:20.27
if you were to remove
all the water that is in it.
00:27:20.30\00:27:23.57
So that is actually
not the best of the ideas.
00:27:23.61\00:27:28.01
I would encourage
you, go to the internet,
00:27:28.04\00:27:30.25
find substitutes
and try them out.
00:27:30.28\00:27:33.01
You will enjoy
them, I guarantee you.
00:27:33.05\00:27:35.15
Well thank you for that
and I'm sure that some of our
00:27:35.18\00:27:39.25
listeners would
have found some of
00:27:39.29\00:27:41.42
what you're saying a
little bit of a big surprise.
00:27:41.46\00:27:43.66
A little bit of a big
surprise, whichever way it goes.
00:27:43.69\00:27:46.36
So I hope that you will
be able to take that onboard
00:27:46.39\00:27:49.96
and begin to move
towards the plant sources.
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So you have certainly given
us some food for thought today,
00:27:53.74\00:27:57.21
and I pray that God
will bless the efforts of
00:27:57.24\00:28:00.84
our viewers and our listeners.
00:28:00.88\00:28:02.44
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