Welcome to "Healthy Living!"
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I'm your host Margot Marshall.
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Most of the world's
population live in countries
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where overweight and
obesity kills more people
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than underweight.
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What are the causes and
what can we do about it?
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Stay tuned for
practical, doable solutions.
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My guest today is Dr. Eddie
Ramirez who will be sharing
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research and practical
solutions he presented at the
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"International Congress on
Obesity" in Vancouver, Canada.
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Welcome Eddie!
Thank you very much.
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Lovely to have
you on the program.
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Now you've described obesity as
an epidemic, just how bad is it?
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This is a huge public
health problem not only here
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in Australia, but in
many areas around the world.
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In fact, the latest statistics
for Australia tells us that
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2 out of 3 people in
Australia either are overweight
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or obese, and you know
the problem gets even more
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complicated if in Australia
there were only Caucasian
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people, (white people), that
wouldn't be - I mean it still
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is a problem but that
wouldn't be such an emergency.
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But the problem is that
there are people from all over
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the world in Australia
and obesity affects certain
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minority groups worse
than others. Is that right?
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So when I went to India, I was
doing a series of conferences,
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in fact, I'm involved in a
few research projects with them.
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I don't know how
you do all you do?
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It just seems we keep hearing
about the research you do,
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and I'm really, really pleased.
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I want to say this - that
we have you on our program
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because you do have really
good cutting edge information
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to share on a lot of
subjects including this one,
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so tell us more. That's right!
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So I learned there
something fascinating -
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See, in India, what we
consider normal weight, we use a
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measurement called "body mass
index," if you're interested
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in getting yours, just
Google "body mass index,"
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the little formula is there,
you take into account your
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height and your weight.
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In the Western worlds,
the normal body mass index,
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the top part - what is
considered normal is 25.
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That formula gives you a
number and you put it in there.
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In India the top
number is actually 23 because
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somebody from Indian origin
above 23 of body mass index
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it's too much for him and
the doors for diabetes, heart
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disease, hypertension and many
other problems open up as you
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go above that 23.
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And that's not only
unique for people from India,
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this guideline also is
very applicable to people
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of Asia, many of the
Hispanic world also and people
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from Africa.
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So many times in measurement,
what we may be using here,
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may not necessarily
be the optimum for them.
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Okay, you know I once heard a
doctor give a - or a dietitian
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actually, and he gave a good
way to find out whether you're
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overweight or obese
because the body mass index
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some people would do that
and it's like - "Oh, a bit
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complicated," but he
said, "I've got a really, really
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simple way for you to know.
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He said, "What you do is,
you take your clothes off,
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you stand in front of
the mirror and if you look
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fat, you probably are."
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And I thought, "Oh,
that's really cruel." Laughter.
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But it's a
starting point anyway.
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And that's exactly why you
need some sort of measurement
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because especially if somebody
that is 24 body mass index,
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it doesn't look too
overweight and it can be tricky.
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In fact, in Latin America
where I have done many clinical
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consultations, there are people
that you would not suspect
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that they are
overweight, yet they're numbers
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indicate that and also
the type of health problems
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and so forth that they have.
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That's interesting, so
we're setting ourselves up
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for health problems without that
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visible evidence
that we talked about.
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So it can be tricky;
in fact, it's interesting.
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I don't know how many
times mothers bring me their
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children to consultation
and they say, "Doctor, I
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need you to check my child.
I think my child has worms!
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Look at him, how thin he is.
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He doesn't look very healthy."
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So we go ahead, you know, there
are some standardized tables
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in which you take the height
and the weight, and you compare
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to the rest of the population,
everything is normal.
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Why does the mother think that?
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Because when he is
being compared to the rest
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of his peers, he actually
looks thin compared to the other
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ones that actually may be
having some weight issues.
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In fact, statistics in
Australia tells us that one
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out of 4 kids in Australia
are overweight or obese.
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One in 4, that's a
really... because it's so hard
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once weight has been gained,
it's hard to get on top of that.
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Yeah, what about the
extent of this problem overseas
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and everything like
that like, you know,
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it really spreads doesn't it?
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This is a worldwide
crisis; in fact, just yesterday
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I was reading a research paper
that came out in the literature.
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It was showing how around
the world metabolic problems
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are increasing even in third
world countries. Oh really?
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So high blood
pressure, cholesterol, diabetes,
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and obesity are increasing
dramatically when compared
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to just a few years.
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See, I used to go to Hawaii to
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help there with a
"Lasso Program." Oh, okay.
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And you see
something fascinating there.
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There are a lot of Japanese
people that like Hawaii,
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and even some signs in the roads
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are in Japanese and so forth.
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But when you go to
a restaurant there,
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you see something interesting.
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You can quickly tell who is
first and second generation,
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who is third and
fourth generation.
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You can tell that just by -
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Just by looking at the people
you see that the third and
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fourth generation - those
tend to be obese or overweight.
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While the first and
second generation tends to be
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thin and have
their normal weight.
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And how do you
actually know that they are
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third and fourth generation?
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By the language they speak.
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The first and second generation,
they're not comfortable
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with the English, so they
speak the Japanese, while the
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third and fourth generations,
those are actually losing
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their Japanese and they are more
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comfortable talking in English.
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So as being somebody that
is interested in languages,
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you can quickly see there
how... the genes didn't change,
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but the diet and
the habits changed.
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Speaking of languages, I
just have to put this in,
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I asked you how many languages
you speak and you were very
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modest and you said, "Ohh, I
don't speak but a little bit."
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Was it 6 or 7
languages? Somewhere there.
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That's very impressive and
it has actually inspired me,
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and I'm actually thinking about
learning a language. Very good!
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Just on the basis
of that but go on,
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I just...
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So we have this pattern in
which obesity is increasing.
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In America, they
did a fascinating study.
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Back in 1985, the Public Health
Organization of the country,
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called the "CDC," realized
they were having a big crisis
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on their hands as
obesity and overweight
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was increasing in the country.
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So what they decided to do,
they decided to map the problem
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to see in which areas of
the world this problem was
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prevalent and common.
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And we can see on the
screen, one of the graphics that
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they released and you can
see here that using color codes
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that the dark blue color -
it means that from 10 to 14%
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of the people living in
that state, they had a problem
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with obesity in that
state, so you can see what is
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called "the South" in America,
started to have an issue there.
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So let's walk through time
so we can see how this advanced.
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... 87, 88, 89, 90, we
continue with 91 and you can see
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that a new
classification was put on.
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Now that very dark blue
color is where 15 to 19% of the
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people were
overweight and obese.
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And we continue, 96,
97, a new classification,
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now more than 20% of the people
in those states are obese.
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2000, 2001, a new
classification, now more than
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25% of the people are obese.
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2004, 2005, 2006
and a new classification
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again in more than 30%
of the people are obese.
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2009 and the latest one
that we have is from 2010.
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Now I want you
to see the pattern.
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The area in America where
you find the most obesity,
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it has the name "the Bible belt"
because you find the highest
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amount of evangelical Christians
in that area - yet it is
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the most sick area of America.
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And the reason why, I speak
very frequently in evangelical
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circles and so forth,
unfortunately some of the
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evangelical people have ignored
the principles that the Bible
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teaches about health and
you can quickly see the results.
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In that area of America where
you find that highest density
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you find the most heart disease,
the most diabetes, the most
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obesity and the list
goes on and on and on.
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And the beauty of this is
that in the Bible, we find
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the solution to this problem.
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From the very beginning, God
gives a diet to human beings.
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At the time of Noah, God
introduces a new element,
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yet He put some
rules depending on which
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animals you're
supposed to eat and which
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animals you're
not supposed to eat.
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Before there were Jews
and things, so people say,
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"Oh because on the cross
these things were done away?"
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Not necessarily,
this was a principle
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for human beings. Go ahead.
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Just in case not everyone
is familiar with what God
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recommended right
there at creation, what foods
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did He
recommend for human beings
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right at the
beginning there. That's right.
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At the beginning, God
introduced the fruit type
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of foods with some nuts.
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Then after that, after
sin came into the picture,
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God allows people to
eat the herbs of the field.
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So you had a full plant
vegetarian diet from the
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very beginning, that
was the vision that God
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had for humans to eat.
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Not until the time of Noah
when vegetation was destroyed
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God gives permission to eat
animals and with special rules
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that still, if you are
still eating animal products,
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it still applies for today.
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It's interesting,
Jewish people actually are the
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ethnic group in the
world that has gotten
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the most Nobel prizes.
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See, because when you partake
of those animals that are not
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on that list, actually your IQ
decreases - we don't have time
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to talk about that, but actually
it has a negative effect
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in the brain such as
the partaking of pigs,
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meat and so forth.
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So there's a
connection with brain health?
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Absolutely!
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Now females tend to have more
of a problem with their weight.
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The reason why is
because they tend to be small,
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usually the type of work
they do - they are less active,
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and also because of
the biological purpose
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that God had for them.
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They need to have the
baby developing inside of them,
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so the body tries to have
enough reserves in order to
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help that baby grow properly.
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That's the reason why females
tend to have a little bit more
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of a problem, while males
have muscle mass and muscle mass
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tends to burn more calories.
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Quite a lot more calories.
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Muscle burns a lot more
calories than fat, doesn't it?
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That's right. So
concentrate on that
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if you want to have some help.
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In a minute, we'll
tell you the method.
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I also presented some
research on the latest "Obesity
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World Congress" that
happened in Vancouver, Canada.
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I presented three papers
and we can see the first of them
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on the screen.
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We're finding out
that regularity in eating
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and sleeping was helping
with weight control and was also
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improving mental health.
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So that was a very good finding.
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You need to have
order in your life.
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That's interesting - so eating
at regular times? That's right!
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And sleeping at
regular times. That's right!
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Even on the
weekends. Even on the weekend.
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Then the second paper I
presented there - it was about
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how plant-based diets
are one of the best ways.
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And please notice in little
graphic on the bottom right,
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it was showing that full
plant vegetarian nutrition
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will actually - if you are
normal weight or underweight,
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it won't affect your weight,
but if you are overweight
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or obese, it will
actually help you lose weight
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in a natural way without
suffering which is something
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I'm against.
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Isn't that incredible how
it doesn't make you lose weight
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if you're underweight or normal,
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but it helps you
if you're overweight.
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The body is a marvelous
thing and it does regulate
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a lot of these things.
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It's a bit like
getting vitamin D from the sun,
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it will only produce
as much as the body needs.
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You don't get an
overdose that way.
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Exactly! So it's better
to work with physiological
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type of approaches.
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And then a third one
that we presented showing that
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these also apply to
pediatric participants.
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So young people that
partake of this method are able
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to lose weight in a
natural way again without
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suffering and so forth.
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So let's go a little bit
about how this method works.
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This is actually from what is
called "The NEWSTART Program."
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If you Google about
the NEWSTART Program
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in Weimar, you can see if you
are interested in even coming
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and being one of
these patients in our place.
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So there is
something that is called,
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"The Point Theory,"
that's the name of it.
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The Point. The Point Theory.
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It says that you usually tend to
maintain a certain equilibrium.
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If you are of a certain weight
and you quickly lose weight,
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you're probably going to
bounce back to that point.
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If you gain weight very
fast, you will actually come
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down to try to
approximate to that point.
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Now there are two
specific ways that you can use
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to lower the point
so that you lose weight.
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Like a set point.
Yes, like a set point.
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#1 is very, and I'm talking
about very intensive exercise.
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Let me tell you just so you
can picture it in your head.
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One-half a kilo of fat in
your body is approximately
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3,500 calories - that is a lot.
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See, if you go running at
race speed, you will probably
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burn about 500 calories
from that 45 minute run or so.
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So that is just 600
calories, we said you need 3,500
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calories to lose
just half a kilo.
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That means that you can
lower the point with exercise,
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but you would have to invest
4 or 5 hours a day of exercise,
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something that is not
practical for most people,
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and most people actually don't
have the fitness to handle that.
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So a better strategy if you want
to tackle this problem long-term
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is to change the
composition of your diet.
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In that way, you don't suffer!
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Again, I am totally
against those methods that say,
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"Oh you just have to eat two
portions of this and one portion
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of this," and the
person is all hungry
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and suffering
throughout the day.
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Look, you can
do that for a week.
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You can do that for
2 weeks, but long-term?
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That is just not acceptable.
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No, it's just
unsustainable, isn't it?
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In the study that we were
presenting, the way that our
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patients ate -
it was buffet style.
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Patients just served
themselves what they wanted.
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Of course encouraged in
moderation and automatically
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their bodies
started to lose that weight.
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Now, we need to understand
that fats increase the point.
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So foods that have too much
fat like free oils - that one
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will increase the point
while starch and vegetables
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will decrease the point.
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So what you need to
do, you need to change
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your plate and you need to
make sure that you're eating
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one-third of your whole
plate needs to be raw fruits
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or vegetables - the rest
of it needs to be cooked food.
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If you want this
process to be even faster,
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switch it to half - half
of your plate it's going to be
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raw fruits or vegetables.
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And by doing that, you
will see the advantage.
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And see, some people
are afraid of starches
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and these type of foods
- those foods are fabulous!
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See, as I travel
around the world,
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I've seen this with my own eyes!
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What's the staple food in
Japan, for example - it's rice.
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What's the staple food
in Papua New Guinea - it is
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these roots, these
yams - this type of foods.
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What's the staple food in
Mexico - it's beans and rice.
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What's the staple food
in Peru - it's potatoes.
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What was the staple food
in Europe - it was bread!
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That was what they
based their food on.
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So the problem
is not these foods,
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the problem is
what we put on them.
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That's right - yes, often bread
is just a vehicle (That's right)
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for things that
would raise that set point.
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And see, when you eat
foods in its most natural state,
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what it does is it fills
your stomach and there are
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sensors in your stomach that
sends the signal to your brain
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and say, "Okay,
you had enough, okay."
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But when you're eating
concentrated foods such as
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animal products, they
have a lot of calories
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and absolutely no fiber.
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Animal products
are deficient of fiber.
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Fiber only comes
from vegetable products.
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So you ate some
cheese; you ate some milk,
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and still your stomach is
not full enough and he says,
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"What else are you
going to feed me, you know I'm
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still hungry."
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And you end up increasing
the number of calories and you
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end up moving that
point towards the top.
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So let's review some of
the most common mistakes
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people make while trying
to lose weight and I'm sharing
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this with you from my clinical
experience what my patients
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give me input on.
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#1. They eat too
much high fat foods.
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See, "oil," that
is not good for you.
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If you are marathonist and
you have to train 3 hours a day,
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please use oil in
your food, you need it.
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But if the type of work
that you do is just sitting down
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in front of a computer,
low level of activity with just
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30-45 minutes of
exercise per day, you don't need
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that excess oil.
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In fact, I would actually
encourage you to eliminate
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it from your diet and
use something like "Pam,"
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that spray - so that your food
doesn't stick to your plate.
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And I'm talking also about
olive oil - some people say
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"Oh it's olive oil, you
know, it must be healthy,"
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and here it comes on the salad!
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You're putting a
bomb of calories there,
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so - oils, be careful.
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#2. Be careful with sugars.
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Sugars are concentrated
food, sugars increase a very
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important hormone in your body
called "insulin" and insulin
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helps you gain weight.
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And beware, honey
also has that effect.
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Even the Bible says, "A little
bit of honey is good for you."
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Follow that counsel.
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Not because it's honey,
it doesn't mean that it's
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not going to do that reaction
when it's eaten in the excess.
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I remember reading through
the Book of Proverbs which was
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written by the wisest man
who ever lived, King Solomon,
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and he even wrote a
couple of proverbs about honey
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which kind of surprised me the
first time I actually saw it.
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And one of them says, "If
you find honey, eat just enough,
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too much and you'll
vomit." That's right, very true!
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That's very
graphic, very true, yes.
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So be careful with
ingredients that end in "ose,"
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fructose, glucose, maltose,
all those things are sugars!
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Next problem -
Blenders, beware of blenders.
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People right now are very
much into smoothies and juices.
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These things are
concentrated calories!
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Once in a while, you
eat this, no problem.
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As an everyday thing, if
your goal is to gain weight,
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go for it, but if your
goal is to lose weight, beware
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of blenders as they
destroy the fiber, increase the
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glycemic index of the food,
increase the insulin response
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in your body and
encourage gaining weight.
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Another problem -
alcohol. Huge problem alcohol!
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Alcohol by two
problems affects you.
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#1. Empty calories.
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#2. Affects your frontal lobe.
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So just one glass of wine,
you probably have determined,
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"You know, I'm not
going to overeat today,"
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but when alcohol is onboard,
then those breaks don't work
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and studies show you're
going to end up overeating.
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And the next thing,
very important - dry fruit.
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Beware of dry fruit.
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Dry fruits are
bombs of calories.
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Once in a while you eat
this, and it's no problem.
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But I see people have
this big bag of dried fruit,
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those things are
just bombs of calories.
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And finally - exercise.
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You need to increase
the amount of exercise
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so that it can help you
have a healthy appetite and it
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actually
encourages self control.
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So put those vegetables to
work for you and lose weight
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in a natural nonpainful method.
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Something that's sustainable,
something that you could see
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yourself doing for
the rest of your life.
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If it's something you
can only do for a short term
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whatever that term is,
that's not going to achieve
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what you want to do because
you just can't sustain it.
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That's right and that's
why I like the "CHIP" programs
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that are taking place
here, what does "CHIP" mean?
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Yes, we better
straighten that out.
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"Complete Health Improvement
Program." That's right!
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It's not the fried ones.
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So go ahead and
Google one of those programs
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in your locality and try
to see where is one of those
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programs - they have
cooking classes and so forth.
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They are nonprofit
programs and I would definitely
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encourage you to
participate in one of them.
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Make sure that you use
all the food groups that will
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help you lose weight
which are the fruits,
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the vegetables, the
legumes and the legumes we're
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talking about the
peas, the beans and lentils,
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whole grains and a little bit of
nuts in quite moderation. Yes.
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So that's really good.
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I actually was
speaking to someone who did the
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"CHIP" program - he
needed a kidney transplant,
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they couldn't do it
until he lost weight,
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and he wasn't able to.
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He went to "CHIP" and in
a short time - I just don't
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know how many weeks it
was, he had lost enough weight
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to have the operation
but he didn't need it because
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his kidney function was normal.
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Incredible program!
Absolutely incredible!
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He had a few other good
outcomes too and I could
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tell you many of the outcomes
that people have when they do
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that complete
health improvement project
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as the community-based
thing, so really a brilliant
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way because often
people do need support to make
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lifestyle changes and
that does it because it's done
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over a period of time.
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Well, we want you to have
the best that life has to offer,
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so keep tuning in for more
encouragement and strategies
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for healthy living.
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