Welcome to "Healthy Living!"
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I'm your host Margot Marshall.
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Today's topic is
cancer, is there hope?
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Even if it's
stage IV (4) cancer?
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Stay tuned as we
discuss powerful foods that
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can help you fight back.
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With me in the studio
today is health psychologist,
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Jenifer Skues
and Dr. John Clark.
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Welcome Jenifer,
welcome John and really
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lovely to have you on
the program and this is a
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very, very sensitive subject.
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This disease of cancer is
one that I think it strikes
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fear into us
possibly more than any other.
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And so this topic we really,
really are looking forward
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to what you have to
say because we need to know
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how to fight back
when this thing comes.
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So John, would you
like to just talk to us
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a little bit about that?
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Yes, Bob, a friend of
mine, was having trouble with
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his bowels - they
weren't working right.
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He was like having
symptoms that were a problem,
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and we were sure that he was,
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you know, going
to be in trouble.
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He went to the
hospital, got some tests done,
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and low and behold,
he had colon cancer!
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Well he didn't know what
he should do and the hospital
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ran him through the
usual ropes of chemotherapy
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and radiation and surgery.
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And then they sent him home
and said, "Okay, you're fixed!"
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But in four months, things
weren't going right again;
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he went back to the hospital
and the surgeon looked at him
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and said, "Well you probably
have some blockages because
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chemotherapy makes
strictures in your colon,
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and we're going to
have to go back in,
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so let's take
you back to surgery."
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Took him back to
surgery, opened him up
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and he was totally
full of cancer! Ooo!
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They closed him up and
said, "There's nothing more
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we can do - we'll
just send you home."
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And then the surgeon
said a funny thing...
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He says, "Well if I was
you, I'd probably at this point,
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find somebody that would
do something natural for you."
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Well Bob was a bit taken
back, "Well what do you mean,
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what are you saying?"
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"Well I'd find somebody
that might do this, you know,
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take a natural
approach to this."
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He said, "Well where
would I go to find this."
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He said, "I don't know
but just, you know, look
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around, you'll
probably find something."
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So he did and went on
life's mission to find somebody
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that would take a natural
approach, nutritional approach
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and he found somebody!
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And so he went to this
place and they gave him all
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fresh fruits and
vegetables, nuts and seeds.
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They put him on
some cleansing programs;
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they gave him some
herbs, his cancer went away!
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Can we make that "herbs,"
we're in Australia now John.
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Laughter... That's
fine, I was just joking!
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In America, "Herb" is
the name of a guy! Laughter.
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We have them too.
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And so I gave him some
herbs and his cancer went away.
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And so he went back home,
he thought, "Well, how can I
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keep this to myself?"
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He added 5 more bedrooms
onto his house and started
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bringing people in
and he'd teach them how to
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fix food - they'd
all go to the kitchen.
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He had a big kitchen
with a big counter space,
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and a place for everybody to
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prepare their
fruits and vegetables.
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He taught them how to do herbs.
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He started his own herb
distribution company basically.
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And he had them doing cleanses
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and so he shared
what he had learned.
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That's incredible!
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He'd basically been sent
home to die... (Absolutely)
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Because they said, "There's
nothing that we can do."
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And yet he was able
to turn that around.
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And you would, you'd
feel like telling other people
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and helping other people
when you'd just come back
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basically from the brink of
the grave, wouldn't you? Yes!
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And what a lovely thing
that he did to do that and just
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not keep it all to himself.
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It's very sad that many
people do die at that point
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because they don't
believe there's anything else
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that can be done, yeah,
and we're just showing here
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that it's never too late
and I think that's important
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for people never to give up
and to look beyond what may be
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more conventional
treatments which can help
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some and if it
doesn't, then there is a way,
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and this is a
good example of that!
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And I might just say,
prior to coming to Australia,
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I was working at a
health facility where we took in
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cancer patients.
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The large majority of
our patients were cancer,
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and we would see
them turn around.
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A lot of them had the same
story - totally given up on
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by the general
system, fourth stage.
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I remember one
gentleman, he called me up.
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He said, the hospital said,
"You're going to home and die."
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He went to another natural
place, they said, "There's
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nothing we can do, you're
going to go home and die."
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He said, "But the Lord
has showed me that this
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cancer is not unto death."
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He says, "Can I
come to your facility?"
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I said, "Well I can't tell ya
if you're going to die or not,
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I don't know how they can tell
you that, but I can tell you
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we'll do our best for
you physically, mentally and
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spiritually and put
you in the best position to
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present yourself
to God for healing."
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And so he came, he had prostate
cancer that had grown up
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through the bladder and
was going into his intestine.
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Wow, that's huge!
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When he came, he
couldn't get out of bed hardly.
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We thought, "Okay, he's just
going to lay in bed and die,
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but he started in on the
program, lots of interesting
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therapies going on and by
the end of the 18-day program,
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he was walking 1-1/2 miles;
he was feeling a lot better
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and 3 months later, some of
our therapists went up to where
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he went to church and
found him in church and talked
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with him and he was you
know, "supposed to die!"
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That's really,
really encouraging!
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I was driving along the
road one day and in front of me
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was a bus and on the back
of the bus, you know they have
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signs and different
things that you read on the back
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of the bus and it said, "Cancer
is a word, not a sentence."
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And I thought that was
interesting - in other words,
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not a death sentence,
so-to-speak, and I thought
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that was really good and there
are things that can be done.
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You can't be
sure that every person
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might not have left
it a little bit too long,
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but certainly there are
many, many stories of people
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who can actually recover,
so tell us about the foods
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that can help to
fight back from cancer.
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What are the foods that
are those powerful foods
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we promised we would talk about?
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You know, when you
come down with a disease,
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many people think that, you
know, "I was the unlucky one;
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I was just sitting
here and it landed on me,"
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and in reality, we've
been doing things that have
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set us up for this.
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And one of the biggest problems
with cancer is that it is
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often an infectious disease;
a virus, bacteria, some other
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thing that came in and
actually gave you a disease.
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And modern medicine has
sort of sold us on the idea
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of "the germ theory,"
which says that, "I was me,
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I was like everybody else
and along came this really bad
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bug and look at me
now, I'm a victim!"
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Well, it's better to look
at it a little differently
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and that is like this -
it's like looking at the bugs as
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vultures and do
vultures eat live animals? No!
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They come out and clean
up what's already dying,
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and you made yourself
susceptible to whatever disease
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by being a target
by being the weak one;
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by not being healthy, by
not having a good immune system.
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So you want to eat foods that
maintain a strong immune system.
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Everyone of us has cancer cells.
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When they collect and get
to where they reach a certain
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number, the doctor says,
"Look, there's a pile of them,
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it's a tumor, you have cancer."
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But if your immune system
is working well, you'll be
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shuffling those
growing bad cells off to the
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waste basket and
you won't get cancer.
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That happens if you're eating
a diet that is nutritionally
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dense especially with
fresh fruits and vegetables,
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nuts and seeds.
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And so for cancer, we
think of things that are in
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antioxidants - blueberries,
red beans, all kinds of
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different green leafy
vegetables especially some
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of your root
vegetables like beets!
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Raw beets are great!
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Cabbage - you think of all
the family of cabbage foods,
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good at fighting cancer.
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You look at all the different
types of sprouts - high in
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antioxidants, high in nutrition.
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Actually I was really surprised,
you mentioned the red beans.
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I was very surprised to notice
that they are high on the list
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of antioxidant foods - they
usually come in a dried form,
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and I've only ever, until I
read that recently actually,
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I've only ever thought
of antioxidants being in
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fresh fruits and
vegetables, not the dried form.
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But they're very high, the
legumes are very, very high
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and that little red bean,
the adzuki bean is very high,
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so that's just an interesting
thing to know, especially
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because it's a really good
meat alternative and, I mean,
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I'd put it the
other way around actually.
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Meat is an alternative to
what we really should be eating.
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So, yeah, very interesting.
Jeni, what's your...
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Well I was just
listening to you, John.
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One of the big things
that comes up is the mindset,
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of that person and their
attitude and what they believe,
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as well as contribute -
you pair that with the diet,
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it's like a double whammy.
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And whenever anyone goes
and gets a diagnosis of cancer,
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what is their first reaction?
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It's usually one of fear,
terror and they're going to die,
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so they're immediately giving
the brain - is telling the body
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it's going to die and we
mentioned before that every
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cell of the body is impacted
by every thought you have. Yes
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So if we want to live,
we have to start living like
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we're going to live even when
we have an illness of some sort.
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And this is where the beliefs
come into it and that's...
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yeah, you mentioned a few
things about people's beliefs.
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"Oh this is terrible, look
at me, I'm not going to survive
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now and what am I going to
do?" because that's the way
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we've been primed with cancer.
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Not everyone
dies from cancer. No.
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Yeah and we're hearing
here, you know, if someone
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can go - "Well, look
here's this man in stage IV,
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who didn't die, I can do this."
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See, it gives people hope when
they hear stories like that.
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And even if (and I'm not
being pessimistic at all),
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but even if they didn't
fully survive, it will give them
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some extra good years.
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So it's a tricky one
to talk about, I guess.
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John, cancer, as
noted, can't make promises
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like you said when that
man came to your clinic.
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You said - well you
don't know, but you would
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give him his best chance
and that's what we need to do.
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We all need to give ourselves
the best chance that we can
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at a good quality of life.
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There are a lot of lifestyle
factors that impact cancer,
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and certainly stress
is a huge component. Yes.
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And one of the things now
which is a more recent area
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of research is on that they
call "epigenetics." Oh yeah!
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And that means that we can be
predisposed to an illness. Yes.
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And an illness can include
things like addictions because
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there is a genetic
capacity to the brain to be more
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addicted or not addicted.
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So and they're saying now that
it doesn't mean you'll get it
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if you got the gene,
it's treated by diet,
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health and lifestyle and stress.
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Stress is a huge
component of that.
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But sadly, people are
not listening to that.
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You know, I know women who've
gone and had a breast removed
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because their whole family
or the women in the family
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have had cancer.
Yes, we read about that
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all the time. Yes
and that's very sad.
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In fact, there was an
actress who recently had both
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breasts done in the front
page of the paper and so people
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think - "Oh now
I can do that too."
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It's a common phenomenon.
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Instead of going, "Well hang
on, if I watch my stress levels
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and live the health principles,
I won't get it because
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that's what happens."
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You know, if you reduce
your stress, watch your diet,
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dense nutrients, then
the body will fight it off.
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It will cure itself.
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And it's interesting, going
back to - I think it was around
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about 2005, the U.S. surgeon
general, where you're from,
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he said that our health
status is determined, 70% of it,
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is determined by
our lifestyle. Yes.
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What we eat and drink,
whether we smoke and exercise,
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and how we love.
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Interesting, we
might come back to that.
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That was what he said and I
thought that was interesting.
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So that 70% is more than
all other factors put together.
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He allocated 10% to
genetics, 10% to medical care,
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and 10% to
environmental factors.
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So that's very supportive of
what you're really saying here,
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at what both of you were saying.
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And I think that is
of an amazing authority,
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so 70% of our whole
health status is determined
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by our choices and
what we do about our life.
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Stress is a great factor in
bringing the immune system down.
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And people who are
stressed a lot of the time,
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their immune function is very
poor; hence, they get colds,
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flu viruses and
lots of things happening.
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So that means they're more
predisposed to that gene pool
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activating because
stress weakens the whole system.
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And that's why we got you
on the program Jeni because
00:14:23.93\00:14:26.23
you're talking about how
what we think affects us so
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powerfully - every cell of
the body you've actually said
00:14:31.50\00:14:34.44
in another program
and, of course, John,
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you're talking
about the physical things
00:14:36.71\00:14:38.31
that we can do - the
exercise and the water,
00:14:38.34\00:14:40.58
and the good food choices,
00:14:40.61\00:14:43.11
and there's more, of course,
and that was just interesting
00:14:43.14\00:14:46.58
in what the U.S. Surgeon
General said back then about how
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we love and I was actually
really surprised to hear that
00:14:52.09\00:14:55.06
coming from him - I don't
know why I should be, I mean
00:14:55.09\00:14:56.86
I understand it really
well, I just didn't expect it
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to come from him and it's
just an amazing thing because
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well it comes back with attitude
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and having
healthy relationships.
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Relationships are huge
because people need people,
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and we know that, we
all known that but...
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But if the heart is healthy
and the brain has a capacity
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to love, when we
action that we're working
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a healthy connection
between the heart and the brain
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which is very powerful.
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But relationships are huge...
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It hits the heart doesn't it?
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Well that's right, yes.
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That's where the heart comes
into it and love comes into it.
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That's right.
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And this whole stress
issue, when I was the medical
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director of the cancer program,
I realized that all these cancer
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patients were just on edge.
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They were like very stressed.
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A lot of them would
probably be considered
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type A personalities. Yes.
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Or if you get somebody
that's obese or has diabetes,
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and they're like, "Oh
yeah, I'd like to come to your
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program and I'd
like to have fun there."
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The cancer patients are
like, "And are we going to be
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drinking carrot
juice? And do we have
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this kind of herb? And should
we go, bla, bla, bla, bla?
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You know, it's like
you guys are stressed out?
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You're stressing me out!
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So we immediately instituted
a stress recovery program.
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We gave them an hour a
day on stress management,
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and had a one-on-one
with our stress counselor.
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Well I have someone I know who
is border type A personality.
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She's a high achiever, had
family, children and her stress
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levels were huge
and she was diagnosed
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with cancer on the eye.
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And she was told that if they
couldn't treat it effectively,
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they could have to
remove the eye and to actually
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remove it was
going to send her blind.
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And it would
eventually do both eyes,
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it was the left eye initially.
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And because it was
in the early stages,
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she said, "No, I want to... like
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the other story had "I
want to try and sort this."
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And so she went off
and she learned to relax;
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she cut her workload back;
she started to deal with her
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temperament; she
changed her diet.
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She had a reasonable diet
but she went for foods like
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you were talking about.
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One of them, I remember
her telling me, "Raspberries,"
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so she got raspberries
and had those a lot and the
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black currants
or the other types
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of berries and that
that are so powerful.
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So she did whole makeover,
if you want to put it that way,
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where she changed her
lifestyle radically and it never
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progressed, it disappeared
and she's never had it since.
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This was probably 20 years ago.
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That's just
absolutely fantastic!
00:17:39.95\00:17:42.09
Now we've talked about
things that these people did,
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and I'm just thinking
and probably people tuning in
00:17:45.63\00:17:49.26
who are thinking, "Oh
that's a big ask, I'm not sure
00:17:49.30\00:17:55.17
I could do that,"
what would you say, John,
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to people who are
feeling like that's huge,
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especially when
they're quite sick.
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What would you suggest?
What would you say to them?
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You want to take
it a step at a time
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if it's being a challenge for
you and once place to start is
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drinking more water.
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You'd be surprised how
many people are dehydrated;
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therefore, they are
much more concentrated and
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they need to get rid of toxins.
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And so you drink more water
and so I tell people to drink
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a liter of water when
you get up in the morning;
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drink a liter of water
between breakfast and lunch;
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and drink a liter of water
a couple of hours after lunch,
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and this alone is a big help.
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Now that wouldn't
leave much room for the other
00:18:35.81\00:18:37.85
beverages that
people usually like to have.
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So that could be a good
thing because it would displace
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some of those things.
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That's right and
then as far as diet goes,
00:18:45.62\00:18:48.89
if you just take and
look at what you're currently
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eating - hopefully
you're eating some fresh fruits
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and vegetables, just start
increasing those proportions.
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Instead of one apple,
two, you know, just make it
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a larger part of your meal.
00:19:00.57\00:19:02.57
So go take a journey and
that's really good because
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it's not all or nothing
and everything that they do
00:19:05.71\00:19:08.64
in the right direction is
going to help and hopefully
00:19:08.68\00:19:11.71
they can get some
good social support.
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Support is a really, really
big thing and being loved.
00:19:14.75\00:19:20.29
Often people with cancer
do get good social support
00:19:20.32\00:19:22.92
because all their friends and
that rally round will help them.
00:19:22.96\00:19:28.96
But there's other
kinds of support too, Jeni,
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I think you
mentioned it in another program
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like professional support.
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Yes, absolutely! And I
do, I work with people who
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had that diagnosis or have had
it and recovering and they're
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still struggling to get
themselves around it. Yes.
00:19:40.71\00:19:44.05
And certainly, I think what
we were talking about before
00:19:44.08\00:19:46.58
that overwhelm of
looking, "I can't do this." Yes.
00:19:46.61\00:19:49.82
And people, psychologically,
can cope with changing
00:19:49.85\00:19:53.42
one thing, not
20 things at once.
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So that's the sort
of approach I take.
00:19:55.76\00:19:57.53
Okay, well how can you start
to streamline your lifestyle
00:19:57.56\00:20:00.43
and start to improve
and help your immune system
00:20:00.46\00:20:03.67
and your brain function.
00:20:03.70\00:20:05.97
And water is one of them
because without enough water,
00:20:06.00\00:20:08.67
the brain can shrink if
it's dehydrated and it makes it
00:20:08.70\00:20:11.77
very cloudy and we can't focus.
00:20:11.81\00:20:13.91
Yes, so often people come
to me and they're actually
00:20:13.94\00:20:17.35
dehydrated and they're really
struggling when I'm talking
00:20:17.38\00:20:20.58
to them and I'll get them a big
drink of water - the difference
00:20:20.62\00:20:23.18
is quite marked.
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How fast can that happen?
00:20:24.72\00:20:26.79
A drink of water?
Pretty quickly! Oh alright.
00:20:26.82\00:20:29.29
Once you put stuff in
your mouth, it just translates
00:20:29.32\00:20:32.69
through everything. Oh
I'm going to - thanks for
00:20:32.73\00:20:34.53
that! Better have a
drink of water. Laughter.
00:20:34.56\00:20:37.93
Yes and that's really good.
00:20:37.97\00:20:40.30
I think too that it's probably
a time more particularly
00:20:40.34\00:20:46.47
when people are facing
a crisis of any sort...
00:20:46.51\00:20:49.08
Would be more
likely to health crisis.
00:20:49.11\00:20:51.35
Yes, they are more likely to
change but also I think it's a
00:20:51.38\00:20:54.28
time when people tap
into spirituality and they can
00:20:54.32\00:20:58.89
do it in two ways - it
might be that they turn to God
00:20:58.92\00:21:02.52
for help and they draw strength
from that or they might blame
00:21:02.56\00:21:06.93
Him for their
illness and turn against Him.
00:21:06.96\00:21:08.70
We see this happening
in all kinds of situations
00:21:08.73\00:21:11.77
which would drive
people one way or the other.
00:21:11.80\00:21:13.87
And you know, I would
just really encourage you to
00:21:13.90\00:21:17.01
draw strength because God
would love to do that for you,
00:21:17.04\00:21:20.84
and rather than be angry which
is just going to make things
00:21:20.88\00:21:25.51
worse. My friend, she did a
bit more of a spiritual focus as
00:21:25.55\00:21:29.42
well. Sorry... My
friend, she did a bit more
00:21:29.45\00:21:31.92
of a spiritual
focus as well. Yes, yes.
00:21:31.95\00:21:34.32
Like I said, she did the
whole package, also exercise,
00:21:34.36\00:21:38.13
so she embraced all the
things we're talking about. Yes.
00:21:38.16\00:21:41.20
And when you've got them
all going for you... mental,
00:21:41.23\00:21:44.23
physical, spiritual, social,
which is all of who we are,
00:21:44.27\00:21:48.10
that's our package.
Our total package! Yes.
00:21:48.14\00:21:50.57
When you have it all going for
you, it's a synergistic effect.
00:21:50.61\00:21:55.01
(it is) and it's more
than the sum of the parts.
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And so it's just... and we
need everything going for us,
00:21:58.01\00:22:01.12
even if we're not really
as sick as that, we still need
00:22:01.15\00:22:04.45
to have them all going
for us, why not! Absolutely!
00:22:04.49\00:22:07.19
Why not? Why would
we just coast along?
00:22:07.22\00:22:10.53
And you're sort of
talking here about people
00:22:10.56\00:22:12.83
who are really getting fearful
when they get the diagnosis,
00:22:12.86\00:22:16.60
and this is sort of played up.
00:22:16.63\00:22:18.53
But a lot of times, by
the time they can actually
00:22:18.57\00:22:20.77
find a lump or a bump
or a tumor, it's been there
00:22:20.80\00:22:24.64
a long time - it's isn't
like it popped up yesterday
00:22:24.67\00:22:27.28
and you've been hit! No.
00:22:27.31\00:22:28.64
And they push you to
make a decision really fast,
00:22:28.68\00:22:31.98
that's stressful
in and of itself! Yes.
00:22:32.01\00:22:34.38
So just sort of step back
and take it easy and don't make
00:22:34.42\00:22:38.19
fast decisions and you
don't need surgery tomorrow
00:22:38.22\00:22:40.76
or chemo the next day.
00:22:40.79\00:22:42.46
You need to sort of sit back
and look at your alternatives,
00:22:42.49\00:22:45.09
and think - "Now how
am I gonna approach this,
00:22:45.13\00:22:48.20
and what could be wrong
with my lifestyle that I
00:22:48.23\00:22:51.27
need to make changes in?"
00:22:51.30\00:22:52.63
That's when
they come and see me!
00:22:52.67\00:22:54.30
That's what I help them with.
00:22:54.34\00:22:55.67
Yes, that's a
wonderful combination, (it is)
00:22:55.70\00:22:58.17
the psychology and
the health advice. Yes.
00:22:58.21\00:23:00.81
It needs to be
married, it needs to be combined
00:23:00.84\00:23:03.71
for total health. That's right.
00:23:03.75\00:23:06.18
And what a wonderful
thing that you do there.
00:23:06.21\00:23:08.98
So then, yeah, really good.
00:23:09.02\00:23:12.45
And we might think a
little bit about this...
00:23:12.49\00:23:14.32
where the cancer came from.
00:23:14.36\00:23:16.32
A lot of these folks we've
talked about here were using
00:23:16.36\00:23:20.46
lots of animal products.
00:23:20.50\00:23:22.66
One interesting study
that really struck me was in
00:23:22.70\00:23:25.73
California - they looked
at milk; they looked at what
00:23:25.77\00:23:28.37
viruses were in milk and
they looked at breast cancer
00:23:28.40\00:23:31.14
and looked at what
viruses were in breast cancer.
00:23:31.17\00:23:33.74
Eighty percent of those
with breast cancer had a virus
00:23:33.78\00:23:36.61
found in milk and you're
thinking, "Oh, it can't be!"
00:23:36.64\00:23:41.05
Well does it make any sense
at all that if I am drinking
00:23:41.08\00:23:44.02
a product from a cow's breast,
that I might get a breast
00:23:44.05\00:23:47.12
cancer or a breast disease?
00:23:47.16\00:23:48.56
I mean this is a no brainer! I'd
never gone over it like that.
00:23:48.62\00:23:53.26
There is evidence around, you
know, from studies on animals
00:23:53.29\00:23:56.16
and that we eat with
cancers and growths, that can
00:23:56.20\00:23:58.53
contaminate, it
can also. Oh certainly!
00:23:58.57\00:24:01.00
Yeah, there's a lot
of good research now that
00:24:01.04\00:24:03.17
shows that but you don't
always see it in the papers.
00:24:03.20\00:24:06.14
It's not going to
be the front line news
00:24:06.17\00:24:07.81
but that's the reality, yeah.
00:24:07.84\00:24:10.41
And a lot of these animals
going to market are diseased.
00:24:10.45\00:24:14.72
And very
stressed. Very stressed!
00:24:14.75\00:24:17.49
And a lot of them know they're
going to die and this puts
00:24:17.52\00:24:22.09
high hormones into
them, stress hormones.
00:24:22.12\00:24:26.39
And then there's the
whole thing of the hormones
00:24:26.43\00:24:29.33
they feed animals
to make them grow.
00:24:29.36\00:24:31.70
They've discovered
they can grow 20% more beef
00:24:31.73\00:24:35.30
on the same amount of feed
if they give them hormones.
00:24:35.34\00:24:39.54
Those hormones come
straight through to you!
00:24:39.57\00:24:42.71
And you can gain 20%
more weight on the same amount
00:24:42.74\00:24:45.08
of beef but you can also grow
cancer and this is a big issue.
00:24:45.11\00:24:49.92
Because a lot of these
cancers almost don't grow
00:24:49.95\00:24:52.82
in the absence of
hormones such as breast cancer,
00:24:52.85\00:24:55.06
prostate cancer and so forth.
00:24:55.09\00:24:57.26
And so when you look at
that, you have to realize
00:24:57.29\00:25:00.06
that modern cattle are not
what they were 200 years ago.
00:25:00.10\00:25:05.10
They're run on a very
strict hormone program,
00:25:05.13\00:25:09.97
lots of different
chemicals given to them,
00:25:10.01\00:25:12.61
and they don't get exercise,
and they don't always get
00:25:12.64\00:25:14.41
water and they don't
always get good food. No.
00:25:14.44\00:25:17.48
And we can go into
what they feed them,
00:25:17.51\00:25:18.88
but that's a
whole scary thing too.
00:25:18.91\00:25:20.25
Don't want to look
at that in this program,
00:25:20.28\00:25:22.48
we'll have
everyone out there stressed!
00:25:22.52\00:25:25.15
No and I remember once, as
a fundraising thing for our
00:25:25.82\00:25:29.56
youth group at the
church, we decided we would bag
00:25:29.59\00:25:32.23
up some manure and sell
it, the kids were doing that.
00:25:32.26\00:25:37.13
And we were told to go in on a
certain day, on a certain Sunday
00:25:37.17\00:25:41.17
because that's when baby
chooks would be 8 weeks old,
00:25:41.20\00:25:45.51
but then 2 weeks before that,
they said you're going to have
00:25:45.54\00:25:47.84
to do it this weekend
because there's been disease
00:25:47.88\00:25:50.15
in the sheds and you'll
have to come and get it.
00:25:50.18\00:25:53.05
So we went there - well,
they had all gone to market,
00:25:53.08\00:25:56.92
all these sick fouls - the
chickens had gone to market.
00:25:56.95\00:26:01.26
So we did this
job - it was dreadful!
00:26:01.29\00:26:04.46
I've got to tell you, it
was dreadful because the smell
00:26:04.49\00:26:06.80
was terrible - it was
in an enclosed building,
00:26:06.83\00:26:09.56
a huge enclosed building.
00:26:09.60\00:26:11.37
One of the children vomited
and we were all wearing masks,
00:26:11.40\00:26:14.34
it didn't help, just
from the smell and that's
00:26:14.37\00:26:16.97
the only air they breathed
from the time they were chicks
00:26:17.01\00:26:19.81
till they went to market and
00:26:19.84\00:26:22.44
they were walking in
their own manure all that time.
00:26:22.48\00:26:26.21
Well this is why we should
eat fresh foods that are grown
00:26:26.25\00:26:29.02
on trees and on
the ground, and plants.
00:26:29.05\00:26:31.22
This doesn't make
it more palatable.
00:26:31.25\00:26:33.59
And then when we had finished,
I said to the gentleman
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in charge, I said, "Now do
you want us to hose this out,
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or do
something?" "Oh no," he said,
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We had disease, you know, so
we've got to treat it for that."
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I said, "Oh,
what was the disease?"
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He said, "Salmonella."
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And I was really shocked
and I think it must have shown.
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And he said, "Oh, don't worry,
it's not one that humans get."
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But they would have died if
they hadn't gone to get their
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heads chopped off right then,
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they would have died
before they got to market.
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So it's a big concern
when you're talking about
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healthy animals - we don't know.
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And I told my parents...
"Don't eat any frozen chooks
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for quite a while"
because of what had happened.
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And then I talked to a
friend of mine and he said,
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"It happens all the time."
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He used to work with them.
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Have you ever heard of
somebody getting a virus
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from a carrot? Laughter. Oh, no!
00:27:28.34\00:27:31.61
No actually, I haven't.
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No, you don't!
Well that's good news!
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No, no, so that's
really a big issue.
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So there are a lot of
factors there and, you know,
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as far as getting the
antioxidants from the fresh
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fruit and vegetables and
also then there's the viruses,
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and the hormones and the
stress - a lot of these things
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and the support.
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We need a healthy immune system.
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That means we eat healthy,
think healthy, look after
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the body and do all
the things that keep it
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in good working
order. Thank you!
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That's all for
our program today.
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