Welcome to "Healthy Living"
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I'm your host Margot Marshall.
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Is it possible to
boost your intelligence?
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And can certain foods
actually make us smarter?
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Stay tuned for some
compelling insights.
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With us in the studio
today we have Jennifer Skues,
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a Health Psychologist,
and Dr. John Clark.
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Welcome Jennifer
and welcome John.
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Lovely to have you with us today
for this subject. Thank you!
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It's an interesting one.
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Oh, it sure is...
"Meat and intelligence."
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There must be some mind
of connection going on here.
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Would you like to
tell us about that John?
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And maybe people are wondering,
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"Well, which meat can
I eat to get smarter?"
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Right! Well, I'd
like to know that.
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I've often thought
about this; some of the people
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building their bodies will try
to eat the muscles off of a cow.
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Well, what would you eat in
order to have a brighter brain?
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The brain of a
monkey? I mean it's like
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we're supposed to be
the highest intelligence,
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so what else would you
eat? Run out of food now...
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I had a lady came to
a seminar I was doing;
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she was interested in
health, but she didn't really
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stay awake during
all the meetings...
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And, at one point, I was
giving a talk on the brain,
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and the health of the
brain that had to do with
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Daniel's diet in the Bible.
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Now in the Bible, there's
this gentleman by the name of
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Daniel who ends up
eating a very good diet,
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and his academics excel.
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He becomes, according to
the tests, 10 times wiser
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than all the other
wise people in Babylon. Wow
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And you might be
interested to see what he wrote
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because he wrote things
that are still showing what's
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happening today in
our political scene.
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It's in the book of
Daniel in the Bible.
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But during this
presentation, I shared with them
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that there were certain things
that would affect your brain,
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and so you wouldn't
be able to think well...
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And as I was talking about that,
I was talking about oxygen on
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the brain and she had a mindset,
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"somebody of low oxygen
on the brain - that's me!"
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She identified. She
identified with that.
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So she was
obviously awake at this point,
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to be able to hear
that. She got the message,
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and so she decided, "I'm
going to go on Daniel's diet."
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She didn't tell me this and
it was an area where I lived,
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so I was around
and 6 weeks later,
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she came up to me and
she says, "Oh Dr. Clark,",
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and I said, "Oh Hi,
how can I help you?"
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And she said, "Well I'm
not here to try and get some
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help from you, I just want to
tell you what's been going on."
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I said, "Well tell me
what's been going on!"
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And she said, "Well I've had
this issue where I fall asleep
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during meetings
and not very bright.
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It's a common
phenomenon when you run groups.
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It sure is and she
said, "I decided, 6 weeks ago,
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to follow Daniel's
diet, and in 6 weeks,
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I've lost 30 pounds."
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And as much as that's great
and I want to continue that,
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that isn't the real
reason why I did it."
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She said, "The real reason I did
it was so I would stay awake."
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She said, "Thank you for
giving me back my brain."
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"Now when you guys are up
front talking, I'm wide awake,
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and I learn and I
get something out of it."
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Aww, that's fantastic.
That's really fantastic!
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So, why do you think...
maybe before I ask you that,
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why you think what
she did helped her,
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maybe we'll just ask Jenny...
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Jenny, can there be other
things that give us brain fog,
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other besides diet.
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There are a lot of
things that can interfere
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with the
functioning of the brain.
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Certainly there
are a lot of foods...
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You know, sugar which we've
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sort of talked a
bit about is one;
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oils is another
one, but when it comes to
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stress and trauma,
that can certainly interfere
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with brain function and actually
impair our intelligence.
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And, particularly people
who have had a lot of trauma
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at a very young age
and that's even pre-2,
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even conception to
birth up to 2 years of age.
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It can really
inhibit the ability
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for the brain to function.
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And another one
particularly for children is
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if a child is told
by a teacher or an adult
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they don't have a brain in
their head, they're stupid,
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you know, they won't amount
to much, they take it literally.
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They will stop
using their intelligence.
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All right, so there
are multiples. There are
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a few things that
impact on the brain,
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and this is what we
want to do in this program
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as you obviously know,
it's not all just about
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the physical and the foods
and so on than the physical.
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It's multifaceted.
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That's right, we are mental,
physical, spiritual, social.
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All of that, all blended into
our being, all of who we are,
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and they all have a role
to play, and it's really great
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to have both of you here
so that we can look at it
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from these
different angles because
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it's not just one department.
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Your intelligence is
the director of everything.
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So how we use our
intelligence is important.
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It's only one-third of the
brain, that prefrontal cortex,
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left and right brain that
is the intelligence center,
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and as you know, once
that is damaged beyond repair,
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and you're in that vegetable
state, they take you off
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life support if you're on that.
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So this is where, when we're
talking about intelligence,
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like what was happening for her,
it was that part of the brain
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that was shutting
down or not coping.
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All right, perhaps we
can go back to you now, John,
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and you can explain a
little bit more about what it is
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that she was having
difficulty staying awake,
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and then 6 weeks later,
after changing what she ate,
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she wasn't having
that difficulty apart from
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losing some
weight... that's a good thing.
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That's right and it might
be nice to explain a little bit
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about Daniel's diet.
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This gentleman is put
into Babylon rather forcefully.
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He's captured
and he is a prisoner.
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I'd call that
forceful. Forceful.
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And they put him
on the prison diet...
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Well, it wasn't the prison diet,
it was actually the king's food.
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Boy, you imagine
what a king would eat!
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You think of kings!
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It could be the
best and the richest.
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Oh, anything he
wanted... I mean rich foods,
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and particularly it was pointed
out the meats that he ate
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and the wine which he drank.
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Well wine is another one
that affects brain function
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and our intelligence.
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I think we
probably all know that.
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Anyone who has ever
seen someone who had
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something to drink
realizes it has a very big
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noticeable effect.
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It impacts the conscience
and the will shuts it down
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so you can't make a good
decision which is so important,
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and that's where
Daniel, he didn't drink wine
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so it didn't shut
his intelligence down.
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He was able to
make good decisions,
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and as far as the meat
goes, studies have shown
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if somebody eats what's
called biblically clean meats...
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You know, if you go to
Leviticus, there is a list of
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meats that the
Bible says are clean.
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Studies show that people
who eat that kind of meat
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it does slow
the brain down. Okay
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But if they eat the meats
on the list that are considered
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unclean, we're
talking pork is a classic one
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or seafood that is not
fish with fins and scales,
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then it slows the brain
down 7 times more than what
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is considered the clean meats.
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Really? That is
amazing. I didn't know that.
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Yeah, very interesting
research and they've traced it
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to arachidic acid in
quinine in meat that contributes
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to the poor mental performance
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when somebody is
eating flesh foods.
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And so, are they
more abundant in the foods
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that you are suggesting,
you know, the unclean
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as they are
described in the Bible.
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So they've got 7 times as
much, is that right...no, no,
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the effect is 7 times as
much, but they must have more
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of those two things, is
that what you're saying?
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Apparently. Oh, okay.
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If you have a look at
meat today, it's not just
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what you're talking about
with that particular problem,
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meat has got a lot of
diseases, the way it's prepared
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or the way that it's
grown, like the types of farms,
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like you look at
chickens and that,
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so it's more than just that now.
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The quality of meat is lacking,
even if it's a clean meat.
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Yeah, that's the
truth, very true,
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and the hormones
they give the cattle.
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I was talking to a cattleman,
he said, "Well, we don't want
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cows all year dropping
calves at any old time,
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so we give them a
bunch of hormones so they all
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calve at the same time.
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Then we give the calves hormones
so they grow much faster,
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and, I mean, I don't
know about here in Australia,
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but in America, it's
all pharmaceutically-driven.
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They found it impacts
children's development,
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particularly they are
developing earlier, hormonally,
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because of all the
hormones in meats, you see.
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So you can see, and
that affects the brain then.
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Oh yeah. Interesting.
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In the Bible it says sometimes
to do this or not do that,
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and no explanation whatsoever,
but we're now finding out
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that science is
really catching up with that,
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and the reasons are just
profound and it's a shame
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we have to find things
out the hard way, isn't it?
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And not just take...
Yeah, health being impacted.
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Take the word of the
One who actually created us,
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and says, "Look, do
this and don't do that."
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And we think, "Aww,
can't see the problem,"
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and then when we
do, it's really quite an
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unpleasant outcome often.
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Like you know, the fats you were
talking about the other day.
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Yes, and that would be
another factor here with meat is
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the animal products
generally have more fat,
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and the fat is
usually a thicker, harder fat,
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often thick and
hard at room temperature.
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And so somebody eating
more meat will have more fat
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in the blood and the more fat
in the blood, the less oxygen,
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the less oxygen, the less
ability to think and to reason.
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And so, here's this lady who
has switched from eating meat
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and a high fat diet - to
eating a diet like Daniel
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which was vegetables and
water is what he asked for.
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And she reaps a benefit
that she's like, "Thank you for
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giving me my brain back." Yeah
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When you say vegetables
and water, it would have been
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like fruits and vegetables
and all the plant foods
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would be brought on
just vegetables, wouldn't it?
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I would think so and we would
say, from the rest of the Bible
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that the diet
that is recommended is
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you would have your
beans and your grains,
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and your nuts and your seeds,
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and your
vegetables and your fruit.
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And, you know, plant-based
diet. That's right, beautiful!
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And there's a lot of,
oh, a lot of support for that
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out there - a huge amount of
support for plant-based diets.
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It's a shame that it has
taken us so long to catch up
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with that
ancient wisdom, isn't it?
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One of the things you mentioned,
John, was about oxygen,
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and that's an interesting
one because if we don't have
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oxygen in the brain,
the brain can decay, die,
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the tissues will die.
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But they found now
that in our atmosphere,
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that we actually
have a lot lower oxygen.
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So that means we're
not breathing in as much,
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and they're saying that people
have about 20% less oxygen
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in their system
than they used to.
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And that's some of the recent
studies that I've heard about,
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so that would contribute.
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So really, when we
look at diet and health,
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we want foods that are
going to really boost the brain,
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and allow oxygen to function
or put it into the cells
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which is another
reason when you look at that
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mind-body
connection, it's very powerful.
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That's not a good
thought to think that we've got
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20% less oxygen than we used to,
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so we really need to try
and get out in the fresh air,
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and do breathing and take foods
that are going to lift us up,
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and help that factor.
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We probably don't know
even how good we could feel.
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That's right, but probably not
until you do it, you realize.
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Okay, or how we were
yesterday to today and so on.
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But we probably would be amazed
to have that extra oxygen.
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I had a client who, she
had sleep apnea and sleep apnea
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means you stop breathing
at night for a period of time,
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and it lowers the
oxygen levels in the brain.
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And she was waking up
where she got disoriented;
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she couldn't function;
she couldn't remember things;
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her memory was really
bad, and she was in the clinic
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where I was working and
she ended up going and getting
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one of those
machines, an APAP machine
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that helps the
oxygen levels at night,
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and the
difference was remarkable.
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She was told that if she
didn't do that, her brain would
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literally die because
her oxygen levels were so low
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in the morning, it
would be causing permanent
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like dementia-type state.
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So that's how powerful, with
our brain and our intelligence,
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that something like that is.
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And this sort of goes both ways.
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We think about the
diet improving the brain,
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but you can use your brain
to improve your diet, obviously.
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That's right! That's right!
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And so better choices
on foods make a difference.
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I was at a
place out in Colorado,
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where one of the gentleman
there had a problem with
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snoring which is
usually a sign this might be
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headed toward the sleep apnea.
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He changed his diet to
one like Daniel's diet,
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and within 6 weeks,
he was no longer snoring.
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His wife said,
his snore went away.
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He slept better.
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Okay well research shows
it takes about 6 years off
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your life if your
snore, so there you go!
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Yeah, that's a lot, isn't it?
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I think that's
scary. It is isn't it?
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So if you're snoring,
you need to do things,
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and diet and treat it.
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You need to get a grip on and
that can make such a difference.
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It's not even just
the length of our lives,
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it's the quality of our
lives between now and then
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because it's going
to come to all of us,
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but quality of life is huge.
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So, you know, and that's
what you were talking about
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with this lady who is
falling asleep and had brain fog
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and everything and then you
mentioned this other person.
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So yeah, that's
really important,
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that's right here, right now.
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Six weeks to be able to
get rid of the snoring, great.
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And another aspect to this,
I mean, it got rid of snores,
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the study showed
somebody will switch to a total
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vegetarian diet, especially one
that would help you lose weight
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which it usually
does. Which helps...
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It actually clears
up psychotic symptoms.
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I'm sure you found
that in your profession.
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It's one of the things I
do and I've done some training
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in nutritional
medicine for mental health,
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and that's one
of the prime moves.
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One is sugar and I get parents
coming to me with their kids
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who are just running
amuck at home and can't focus
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and their room is a mess;
the first thing I do is get
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them to change their diet
and often that is the thing
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that helps their
behavior so it's no longer that
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ADHD hyperactivity, they
actually can settle and focus.
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You talked about
psychotic, that sounds terrible
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to think that the way
we're eating and living
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and so on can do that,
that's just not falling asleep,
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that's a bit more serious.
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Well this is where
the brain is very deranged
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with psychosis and it
can't rationally work,
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it can't function properly.
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And the contributing things
to that are sugar and what else
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... well more, you
were talking about foods,
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and we've got to remember,
a lot of people are eating
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foods that probably have
lots of additives and things
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that affect the brain and
that's a contributing factor.
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It's the types of foods which
is what John is talking about,
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but it's also what is
in the foods; the sprays,
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that, you know,
all these things that,
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you know, so this is why
looking at quality of food
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is vital, so trying to get
organics and getting things
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that aren't sprayed or at
least cleaning them properly
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if you can't afford that. Yes
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And you think
about this, our topic is
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"meat and intelligence," what
if I ate the food the cow ate?
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How many pounds of food
does it take to make him
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produce one pound of meat?
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Well it's like 16
pounds of grain and probably
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many more pounds of grass
to produce one pound of meat,
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but you know, you eat that meat.
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Suppose for example, the
cow was eating nice greens
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that had vitamin C, guess what?
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None of that vitamin C
comes through the meat.
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I tell people if
they're going to choose meat
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as a part of their diet,
they have to be very careful
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or they're not going
to get their nutrition.
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It's nutritionally
poor, you want nutritionally
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dense foods and that's
going to be your fresh fruits,
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your fresh
vegetables, your nuts and seeds,
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your beans, your grains...
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It's not going to be
what the cow ate to produce
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a little bit of protein.
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And when you look at
the size of the land you use
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for the cow if you
put in a grain crop,
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the density is far greater than
a cow on that piece of land.
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That's right and it's
becoming a really big issue
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with the population explosion.
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That's another whole
area that we might talk about
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on another day.
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But it is a huge
issue, really worse than we
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probably even realize.
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But that was a good point
that you made, John, about
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not getting some of
the nutrients that the cow,
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for example, got and
another one is phytochemicals.
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There are thousands of
them and "phyto" means plant.
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They only come in plant foods.
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Now, they just don't
appear in any animals foods,
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so it really is better
to go to the primary source
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of the nutrition because
the cow does all right on
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a vegetarian diet, doesn't it?
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I was going to say, intelligence
does depend on nutrition,
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right? If we don't have
the nutrients, the brain can't
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function our
intelligence is impaired.
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They've done a lot of studies
even here in our country,
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and in other countries on
children and intelligence,
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and they found when you
have children who are on a junk
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food diet, their intelligence
doesn't develop because
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when we're talking
about what we call "IQ,"
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"intelligent quotient," which
is how we mentally function
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to process in time and
space and do mathematics
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and things like that,
and that can be impaired
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where their
intelligence that they inherit
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is actually not fulfilled.
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So we can do a lot of damage,
trauma will damage that as well,
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but the good news is the brain
is what we call, "neuroplastic,"
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it grows and changes.
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The cells and the neurons can
actually grow in new pathways
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which makes a huge difference.
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So we can develop intelligence
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to our maximum
inherited capacity. Yes
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And there's another
kind of intelligence too...
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Do you want to have a
little word about that?
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When we talk about intelligence,
and this is something
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that is being more
noticed now, we have to look at
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our emotions and what we
call "emotional quotient."
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We've have the
intelligence quotient,
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and we've got an
emotional quotient.
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The intelligence
quotient is inherited,
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but your emotional
quotient is learned. Yes
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So if you are born into a
family where there is trauma
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or some sort of problem
and stress, then emotionally,
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you're not developing even from
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conception to
birth in a healthy way.
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Because the
baby's brain, up until 2,
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the brain functions
on survival and emotion,
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it doesn't have the IQ factor,
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and that
develops from about 2 on.
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But if there is damage
and that child is programming
00:19:31.77\00:19:34.04
that damage emotionally,
that it impairs the ability to
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use their IQ
from 2 on and they go
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on to either control or chaos.
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So that means intelligence
is impaired and emotions are,
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you know, people are
not coping emotionally.
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You know, they
have fear, anxiety,
00:19:50.62\00:19:52.55
obsessive compulsive
disorders, and it all goes back
00:19:52.59\00:19:55.56
to that early childhood
development in the environment
00:19:55.59\00:19:58.59
and how their emotions develop.
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And look, we all want to
be more intelligent. We do!
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In terms of our IQ and not
impairing that, unclouding it,
00:20:04.33\00:20:08.10
and we all want that
emotional intelligence too,
00:20:08.14\00:20:10.17
so what a tremendous
thing that we know the kinds of
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foods which are going to help
us to actually function better,
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and make better choices which
will help us to function better
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and so it goes around, yes.
00:20:21.52\00:20:23.85
I might say, on this business
of meat and intelligence,
00:20:23.89\00:20:27.72
somebody eating largely a meat
diet, is increasing the amount
00:20:27.76\00:20:32.96
of protein in their diet,
at least to a certain extent,
00:20:32.99\00:20:36.53
but not getting much
complex carbohydrates. Yes
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... Which means that the
body is going to be shifted from
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running the brain on glucose
to running it on ketones,
00:20:42.64\00:20:47.01
a breakdown of protein and that
is not the brain's favorite food
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for functioning
at its highest level.
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What it can do is inflame
the brain and that causes
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irritability, so when you're
looking at emotions in people,
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particularly if they
are eating a lot of meat,
00:21:01.16\00:21:02.52
and not really
getting other nutrients,
00:21:02.56\00:21:04.73
the literature I've
looked at suggests that it can
00:21:04.76\00:21:08.46
cause anger, aggression.
00:21:08.50\00:21:10.47
You know, people
who are big meat-eaters
00:21:10.50\00:21:12.10
it can be more aggressive
than people who are not.
00:21:12.13\00:21:14.04
So that's again the emotional
quotient, isn't it? Yes
00:21:14.07\00:21:16.97
Because if aggression
is not a healthy thing,
00:21:17.01\00:21:18.91
it's not an intelligent
thing. No, no that's right.
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I think it's tremendous,
Jenny, that you are a health
00:21:21.78\00:21:25.21
psychologist because you've
got a feel for both of these
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things and when people
come to you with problems,
00:21:29.32\00:21:33.32
you can also help them
to make good food choices
00:21:33.36\00:21:37.03
to help them with what's going
00:21:37.06\00:21:38.43
on in their
emotions and in their minds.
00:21:38.46\00:21:40.23
So, what a lovely combination
to have both of those.
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I get good results,
yeah, because people are doing
00:21:44.47\00:21:47.27
the whole package,
not just trying to think
00:21:47.30\00:21:49.54
their way out of
things. That's right!
00:21:49.57\00:21:50.91
They are actually
fine-tuning the intelligence
00:21:50.94\00:21:53.68
in the system by
doing things like that
00:21:53.71\00:21:55.54
and certainly meat is
one that we need to really
00:21:55.58\00:21:58.48
reconsider our options.
00:21:58.51\00:21:59.98
Yeah, tremendous connection
between the mind and the body
00:22:00.02\00:22:02.88
and the body and
the mind. Totally
00:22:02.92\00:22:04.25
And I don't think we
half appreciate that,
00:22:04.29\00:22:07.39
and even though we might even
know it, we can forget that,
00:22:07.42\00:22:10.66
but it's a really,
really important thing to know.
00:22:10.69\00:22:13.43
Yes, this is why it's so
important to educate people.
00:22:13.46\00:22:15.56
A lot of what I do, and
the same with you, John,
00:22:15.60\00:22:17.43
I'm sure is to educate. Yes
00:22:17.47\00:22:19.30
Give people intelligent
choices and help them to
00:22:19.33\00:22:21.74
understand because when they
understand how the brain works,
00:22:21.77\00:22:24.77
and what's
impacting it like meat,
00:22:24.81\00:22:26.68
then they're going to
make better choices. Yes
00:22:26.71\00:22:28.84
I don't know how
this is actually sounding
00:22:28.88\00:22:31.31
to some of the people
tuning in, especially people who
00:22:31.35\00:22:34.55
... I mean I grew up
eating meat, and if I had had
00:22:34.58\00:22:37.45
my way, which I did
not, I would have eaten meat
00:22:37.49\00:22:42.69
and left the vegetables, they
were not my preferred thing,
00:22:42.72\00:22:45.79
but, unfortunately, I
had good parents who made me
00:22:45.83\00:22:50.37
eat my vegetables, and in
my teens I became a vegetarian,
00:22:50.40\00:22:55.67
not a healthy one
though, but over time,
00:22:55.70\00:22:59.81
I've progressed from
there and I understand the
00:22:59.84\00:23:01.84
kinds of things that
you've been talking about here.
00:23:01.88\00:23:04.01
And it's just made such a
difference because I actually,
00:23:04.05\00:23:07.68
honestly, apart from the
odd time, we all have times
00:23:07.72\00:23:12.15
when we're not on top, but,
honestly, I have more energy
00:23:12.19\00:23:16.19
now than when I was in my
teens, I was not doing well.
00:23:16.22\00:23:18.83
You actually get younger when
you give up meat, not older.
00:23:18.86\00:23:21.83
Because I was brought up like
you the meat and 3-veg principle
00:23:21.86\00:23:25.17
and have changed my diet and
the more I refine it and improve
00:23:25.20\00:23:28.50
on it and learn and that's
why I find I like listening
00:23:28.54\00:23:31.27
to John because he
teaches me a lot. Yes
00:23:31.31\00:23:33.41
The better my brain
works and I get the tiredness,
00:23:33.44\00:23:35.81
I sleep much better, it
cures a lot of mental illnesses.
00:23:35.84\00:23:38.51
A lot of things
happen, a lot of things
00:23:38.55\00:23:40.25
that impact on our life,
and so sleep is a huge thing.
00:23:40.28\00:23:44.32
It's really huge because
if you don't get enough sleep,
00:23:44.35\00:23:46.86
you don't function.
00:23:46.89\00:23:48.76
So all these
things come together,
00:23:48.79\00:23:51.03
and I was just thinking
back to Daniel and the situation
00:23:51.06\00:23:55.76
he was in and it was
a terrible situation,
00:23:55.80\00:23:57.93
have to be called
trauma, but he drew on his
00:23:57.97\00:24:02.47
spiritual resources and
that was a really big thing.
00:24:02.50\00:24:06.17
And I would just
say to people tuning in,
00:24:06.21\00:24:09.11
if you haven't done that
and you don't even know how,
00:24:09.14\00:24:12.21
be aware that there is a
God who loves you so much
00:24:12.25\00:24:16.15
that He would rather
die than live without you,
00:24:16.18\00:24:19.12
and that's a fact
because that's what happened.
00:24:19.15\00:24:21.39
And, if you're not sure even
how to plug in to the source
00:24:21.42\00:24:24.96
of life itself, so-to-speak,
just talk to Him like
00:24:24.99\00:24:28.56
you would to a friend
about anything... anything!
00:24:28.60\00:24:31.70
Because everything that
matters to you, matters to God;
00:24:31.73\00:24:36.40
the good, the bad, and the ugly,
00:24:36.44\00:24:38.94
so you can talk to
Him about anything.
00:24:38.97\00:24:41.14
It might be a new thing,
but I think that's such an
00:24:41.18\00:24:43.88
important thing and that
got Daniel and his three friends
00:24:43.91\00:24:46.95
through
life-threatening situations.
00:24:46.98\00:24:49.88
They had to face that and
it's something that I don't
00:24:49.92\00:24:54.32
think some people even
perhaps understand or utilize,
00:24:54.36\00:24:57.09
and it's such a big thing that
will impact on us just as much
00:24:57.13\00:25:01.00
if not more, than the physical
aspect of food and exercise
00:25:01.03\00:25:05.13
and so on and the thinking
aspect is another strand that
00:25:05.17\00:25:08.90
we need to think about.
00:25:08.94\00:25:13.51
Well their brains
were sharp, weren't they,
00:25:13.54\00:25:15.64
and they used their intelligence
to make an intelligent
00:25:15.68\00:25:18.21
decision not to go with the
00:25:18.25\00:25:19.71
meat and the things at
the feasts. Yes, they did.
00:25:19.75\00:25:22.32
And maybe you're thinking,
"Well, if I eat vegetables,
00:25:22.35\00:25:24.85
where am I going
to get my strength?"
00:25:24.89\00:25:26.22
Of course, we're talking about
meat and intelligence here,
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but I'll tell you a
story... I had a gentleman
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whose job it was to load
semitrailers with wood for
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wood heaters and he
was filling his trailers,
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and he'd would be so worn
out at the end of the day...
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he was in his 20s, he
thought he would get strong,
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but he was just
always worn out and so tired;
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he'd come home and go
to bed and go to sleep,
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and not spend
time with the family.
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He came to some of our
meetings, decided okay,
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we need to eat more vegetables.
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Told his wife,
"Let's eat more vegetables."
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Within about 6 weeks,
he was feeling strong;
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he wasn't coming home all tired
out and he was getting stronger.
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He wasn't all worn
out at the end of the day.
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Vegetables give you
much more strength than meat.
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Well they're more
dense in nutrients,
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it makes sense, doesn't it?
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And they've got the carbs
which is the energy source
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that our body really
needs to function on...
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And you'll find this in
any of the recommendations
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I think, in the various
countries, plant foods dominate.
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It's not what we do, but
that's the recommendation,
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and if we were closer to
the recommendations even of
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our country, we would do better.
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We do not do well in Australia.
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We are so far from
the recommendations,
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it's a little bit scary... Well,
a lot of countries are like that
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It's often the
cultures that live more simply
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that actually have better diets
because they live off the land;
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they grow their own
foods; they don't eat as much.
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And often they found,
that like to eat meat,
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but they often found that
people that come from those
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countries can come to a Western
diet, start to deteriorate
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and get a lot of the
diseases we do. Ohh yes
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That's quite
well-documented in the research.
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That's right, that's
right. In the migrant studies
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it shows again
and again, doesn't it,
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when people move to an area
where they're eating more like
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Western people or
developed countries do that,
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they pay dearly for that.
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So that's been a little bit like
a recurring theme, isn't it?
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It doesn't seem to
matter what we're looking at
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what problems we're
looking at, this seems to be
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the kind of lifestyle
that's going to make us
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better in so
many different ways.
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But that's been really good,
and thank you for those stories.
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Thank you for the information,
and Jenny, you had the other
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aspects too that went on
to help us have a clear brain
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so that we can function
better and so that we can make
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better choices so that
we'll have a clear brain.
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So that's our program for today.
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