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Hello and welcome to the
11th Secrets Unsealed Summit
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which is entitled:
The Hour of His Judgment
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and to this
Question and Answer time.
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My name is Pastor James Rafferty
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and I have with me here some
other distinguished fellows.
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To my right... your
left is Pastor CA Murray
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and then to his
right is Dr. Teske
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and then to my left... your
right... is Pastor Stephen Bohr
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and to his left is
my brother Eric Wilson.
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Just met Eric and we
had a great talk today.
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It is just good to catch up and
talk about Jesus and the gospel
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and the hour of His judgment.
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So, we have several
questions that have come in
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and we do not feel adequate
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even though there's probably
maybe a 100 or 200 years
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between us in ministry I imagine
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you know, and we
still don't feel adequate
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to answer these questions
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so, we want to ask for the
Holy Spirit to be here with us
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to guide our discussion...
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to guide us as we
look into the Word
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and find answers to these
questions that have been asked,
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there are some very...
very significant questions
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from the heart, I believe,
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people out there just
wanting to be right with God
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so, let's just
pause for a second...
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have a word of prayer
and we'll get right in.
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"Father in
heaven, thank You so much
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for this opportunity
that we have just to...
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to answer questions that are
coming from the hearts of people
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who have been
listening to this 11th Summit:
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The Hour of Your Judgment
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and who have felt the
Holy Spirit talking to them...
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convicting them and
perhaps even felt the nudge
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of the adversary
discouraging them
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and seeking to tell them
that it's too late for them
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and Father, we... we
know it's never too late
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when someone is asking
for... for Your mercy...
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for Your grace...
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for the salvation that is
proffered to us in Jesus Christ,
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when that is their heart's
desire, it's never too late
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and so, Father, we
lift up these questions...
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we lift up this session...
we lift up this time...
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we lift up our
hearts to You for cleansing
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and for the
guidance of Your Holy Spirit
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and we lift up Your Word
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and we ask that its
power would be present and felt
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as we... as we navigate
through these questions.
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Guide each one of us we pray
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and those who are listening,
in Jesus' name, amen. "
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All: Amen.
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All right, so we have several
questions that have come in
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and a couple of
them are for Dr. Teske...
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they're medical questions
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and I was thinking we
could kind of intersperse them
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with our theological questions,
if that sounds okay...
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we'll start with a
theological question
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and let me just
get my glasses on here
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so that I can
read these clearly,
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I can read without my glasses,
I... I'm still in denial
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but with the glasses I
definitely can read well.
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So... "Dear Pastors,
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does God give a
Christian supernatural power
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to overcome sin?
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If so, how do we access it?
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Or do we just have to
be strong enough on our own
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to give up sin?
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I've asked God to
help in changing me
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but I don't feel like
any progress is being made. "
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So, who would like to... to
get us going on that question?
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Eric, you want to get us going?
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Eric: Yes. James: Get us going.
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Eric: I would love to
be able to answer that
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and the reason why is
because that question plagued me
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for probably the
first 40 years of my life.
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Does God give
supernatural power?
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Our Sister Ellen White says
that without supernatural power,
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you're lost.
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It's not just that
some people need it,
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every single human being
has to have supernatural power.
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So, how do we...
how do we tap into...
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how do we access that
power that God has promised us?
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Well, it's so simple that
we miss it... it's by faith.
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God has promised us victory.
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Ellen White says
in Education page 126
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that every command is a promise.
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When it's
accepted by the will...
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that means, when I
open the door of my heart
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and I say, "God, I can't do this
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but I'm willing for You to come
in and do it inside of me. "
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God will do it.
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So, to access
that victory over sin,
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something that
helped me personally was
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to realize that when
Jesus was on Calvary,
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He did not simply pay the
penalty for my transgression.
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That was only part of
the gospel... that was half.
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He not only paid the
penalty for my failure,
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but He took our
personal sins upon Himself.
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He carried our personal sins
in His own body on that tree
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and rather than yield to
mine or your personal sins,
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He chose to die
rather than sin...
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Romans chapter 6
verses 10 and 11.
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So, what Sister White says is...
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is... we have to now appropriate
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Christ's death on Calvary
as my death and as your death.
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It's not just...
He paid for it...
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He died unto your temptation...
unto your personal sin.
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So, you have to look and
say, "When He died... I died...
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I am crucified with Christ...
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I cannot sin for I
am born of God... "
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and all of that
comes only by faith...
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believing what God has promised.
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James: Great answer Eric.
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Would anyone
like to add to that?
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I've got a Bible
verse I'd like to add...
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C.A. you got a Bible verse?
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CA Murray: Yeah, I
wanted to add John chapter 15...
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the first five verses
which is the... the...
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I call it the...
"The Abide Lesson"
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that if we're going to bear any
good fruit for righteousness,
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we have to abide in Christ
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and... and... as
the... the vine...
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the branch abides into
the basic heart of the plant
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and draws nourishment from that,
we must abide in Christ Jesus
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and only in doing so
can we hope to overcome.
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You have some individuals
who... who have the ability...
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if you look at the
life of Joseph Bates,
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Ellen White talks
about Joseph Bates...
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he had the ability
to stop doing things
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through force of will.
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He realized that
drinking was bad...
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he just stopped drinking...
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he put the bottle down...
never picked it up again.
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He realized that
smoking was bad...
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he put the cigarette...
the cigar... the pipe down...
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never picked it up again.
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So, you can stop doing things
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through force of will
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but that's not enough...
it's... it's not enough,
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you need the indwelling Christ.
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First of all, if you stop doing
things because of force of will,
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you haven't asked
God for forgiveness,
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so, they're still
sitting there as sins...
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you've stopped doing them
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but you haven't been
forgiven of those sins...
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so they still
condemn you to judgment.
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You need the blood of
Christ to cover those sins
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and to remove them from you.
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So, it's more than
just not doing a thing...
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it's getting
forgiveness for that thing
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and that can only come
through the power of Christ.
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James: Amen, I think
another summary of that would be
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morality is good... but
it's not righteousness by faith.
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Panel: Well said,
amen... well said.
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James: Any other Bible verses?
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I have one in John chapter
1 because the question was,
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"How do we tap into that power?"
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And in John chapter 1...
when I first became a Christian,
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this was one of my
favorite verses... verse 12,
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"But as many as
received Him... "
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that is Jesus...
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"to them gave He power
to become the sons of God,
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even to them that
believe on His name... "
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verse 13, "Which
were born, not of blood,
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nor of the will of the flesh,
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nor of the will
of man, but of God. "
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We are born again...
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when we're born again,
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we become partakers
of the divine nature
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and the divine
nature doesn't sin...
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Jesus didn't sin and
when you have His nature,
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you don't want to
either... you can't do it.
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It's not that it's impossible...
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it was possible for
Christ though He never did...
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and it will
always be possible for us
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but when the love
of God comes in...
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when the
character of God comes in...
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when He writes
His law in our hearts,
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that's something we
just don't want to do
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and the more that
we abide in Christ
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as you were saying Murray
with... C.A. with John 15,
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as we abide in
Christ, we bear fruit
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and that fruit is
not fruit of sin...
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it's fruit of righteousness.
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Eric: Pastor
Rafferty, can I add something?
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Eric: You just
brought up something that...
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that we're told in that verse
in John chapter 1 verse 12,
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it says, "Even to them
that believe on His name... "
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the name "Jesus" actually means
Yahweh's or Jehovah's salvation,
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Jehovah saves...
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so, when we say, "I
believe on Jesus... "
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I'm literally saying,
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"I believe, God, that you
will do what you promised me...
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that you will save
me from my sins... "
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and as we speak
our faith in Him,
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Ellen White says, "God
does what He's promised"
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so we have that... that
act of faith in speaking
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and claiming that
promise and yielding
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as Pastor Murray said.
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James: Okay, there's
only one theologian among us
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who hasn't spoken yet,
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I don't know if he wanted to.
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All: Laughter.
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Stephen: Well, I was
just waiting to glean
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all of the wisdom of
the other theologians...
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but yeah, I'd
just like to mention,
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wherever I travel, I
have people ask this question,
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"How do I overcome sin?"
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and I usually
ask them a question,
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"What are you
watching and listening to?"
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Because...
because sin is overcome
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or you lose the battle with sin
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depending on what you allow to
come through your five senses.
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If we're beholding
Christ on the Cross,
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for example, you know,
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Ellen White says that we're
supposed to spend that hour
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dwelling... thoughtful hour...
dwelling on the life of Christ
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particularly the closing scenes.
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You know, when we
hear Him crying out,
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"My God... My God...
why have You forsaken Me?"
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When we hear Him
tremble in the... in the Garden,
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"Let this cup pass from Me:
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nevertheless Your
will be done, not Mine. "
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We ask Jesus, "Why
did this happen to You?"
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He says, "It's
because of your sins. "
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Then we see how
terrible sin is...
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the sin is terrible because it
sent my best friend to the cross
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and as I behold
the holiness of Christ,
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then the things I
watch on television
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which is mostly illicit sex...
you know... materialism etc.
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what I place in my mind
either strengthens or weakens
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my ability to overcome
sin... it's the bottom line,
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so, abiding in
Christ in practical terms
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means beholding Him... and being
changed from glory to glory.
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That's a very practical answer
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and so, I would ask
this person, you know,
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"What are you watching...
what are you listening to?"
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If we're watching or
listening to the world,
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we're going to
become like the world.
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If we're watching and
we're listening to Christ,
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we're going to
become like Christ...
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it's a law that by
beholding we're changed.
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James: Second Corinthians
3:18 and Great Controversy 555,
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so, that law works both
ways... it works both ways.
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CA Murray: You know,
this is a very important point
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because if you look at
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the books of 1st...
2nd... 3rd John three times,
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John says, "He that is
in Christ, does not sin... "
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and you can get
kind of turned around
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because it also says that
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if we sin, we have an
advocate with the Father.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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CA Murray: You know,
okay, what are you saying to me?
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I'm not going to
sin or if I sin...
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and, of course, the
understanding is that...
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that the text is in
the imperfect tense...
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so he does...
that... that is in Christ,
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does not continue to
sin... does not live in sin...
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does not wallow in sin...
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does not practice sin
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but if you make a mistake...
if you slip and fall...
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if something comes
into your life momentarily
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or you have a little lapse...
Christ has taken care of that,
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you know, it's... it's...
it's... it's taken care of...
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you're not...
you're not abandoned...
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you're not left to yourself.
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So, what... what I want...
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I don't want to keep...
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James, I don't want
to keep fighting sin...
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I want to get the
victory over it...
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I want to get to
the point in my life
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where this has no
attraction to me anymore.
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I don't want to
spend every day saying,
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"Okay, I'm not
going to look at this...
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I'm not going to go there...
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I'm not going to
go out of my house
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because I may see something...
I may do something...
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I may smell
something... I may touch...
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I may taste something...
I'm just going to stay home. "
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I want to get to the point where
I can walk through the world
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and the world has
no attraction to me...
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I want to be... I
want to be done with that
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and Christ says,
"That is possible...
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old things can be past...
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all things can be made new... "
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I can get to the point where
I don't even want that anymore,
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I don't desire that anymore...
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that's true victory
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and that only comes through
the indwelling of Christ.
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I can... I can stop doing it
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but that doesn't
make me stop wanting it...
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I want to stop doing it
and I want to stop wanting it.
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James: Righteousness by faith.
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CA Murray: Precisely, I want
to get to that point in my life
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and... and we can have that
through the power of Christ.
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James: All right, let's
get the good doctor in here,
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what do you say?
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Dr. Teske, we've done a lot
of theologising... theologizing
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here and you can... please feel
free to enter into that with us
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too, I don't want...
just because you're a doctor,
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doesn't mean you
might not have a...
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some great stuff to add
to... to our conversation
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but I wanted to ask a couple
of questions that have come in
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that are focused on health
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and I think health
is really important,
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we're told that it is the right
arm of the third angel's message
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and the third angel's
message and the judgment
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are connected together.
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My wife is a Registered
Dietician... Nutritionist
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and she loves health
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and so, you know,
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she is always reminding
me of how important health is
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and so, I'm so
thankful you're here
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and can answer
some questions there
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so the question
that's come in here...
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the first one we
have for you is this,
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"Is it true that we remember
everything we experience
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and if that is true,
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what role does
sleep play in that
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and how important is REM sleep
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and why is it the
last part of sleep?"
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I'm kind of giving
you the whole thing here
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so that you can put
a... answer all this stuff...
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put it all together.
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Teske: Would you like
me to repeat my lecture?
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All: Laughter.
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Teske: As far as
your memory is concerned,
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there's a short-term
memory that everything goes in
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as you experience it
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whether it's what
you saw, heard, smell...
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taste...
everything around you...
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an hour later, I could say,
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"Where did you
leave those keys?"
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And you can
think back and remember
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and figure out where they were,
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now, if you left them there
and I ask you a week later,
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where was
something you laid down...
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you might or might not be
able to trace back the memories
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and figure out where it was
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because they've
become dimmer or erased.
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We talked
about... during the night
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when you're in this stage
one and two non-REM sleep,
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you're starting to go
to the real deep sleep
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and then it... there is
where you transfer memories
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from the short term
up to the long term...
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to the cerebral cortex
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where they become
this integrated memory...
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the database that you operate
on that's you... up here...
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that's all up there and the
fascinating part about it...
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we can see it on the EEGs...
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you can actually see in this...
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these... they call them
little sleep spindles...
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they go Bzzzz...
Bzzzz... Bzzzz...
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and they can
actually trace those,
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if you were
practicing the piano that day
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and really working
on learning some parts,
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what they'll find is,
those little bzzz... bzzz...
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they trace them...
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they're going right up
to the motor cortex there
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from your fingers...
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in other words, you're
actually storing in memory
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the position of these,
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not the short term
that you store at this stage
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but now they're in the
integrated total memory
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of everything
that's going on there
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and the next day,
you go to the piano
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and even though you were
struggling with that yesterday,
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now, you go
there and it flows...
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it's integrated... it's being
coordinated by the cerebellum
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and you put that
up in the context here
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of the rest of the cortex
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and everything
that goes on there,
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and you're really
able to put that memory...
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that memory has been stored
up in a more permanent location
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and all of your
memories are stored that way
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in the various
parts of the brain.
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The interesting thing is
that your frontal cortex...
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your pre-frontal lobe...
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where you
actually make a decision
00:17:01.82\00:17:04.65
what to store
and what to discard.
00:17:04.69\00:17:07.56
You don't want to save
everything you've experienced...
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where you parked
your car at the Mall
00:17:10.96\00:17:13.53
is not really going
to be relevant next year
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but it will be a
couple of hours from now
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when you're done shopping
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but that's
something you want to erase
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and you want to erase
that flash drive every night
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so you got a clean flash drive
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ready to go to store
the new events of the day
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and whatever else
you're going to learn...
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you want to put there
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and they've actually
done studies and they can...
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they've discovered
that it is your pre-front...
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this is the same
part of your brain
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that makes your
moral decisions...
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your right and
wrong decisions...
00:17:40.96\00:17:42.62
I choose to do this...
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the power of the will...
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all of these are actually
taking place up in here...
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the power-decision thought
is in this frontal cortex
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and that's
actually... you're unconscious
00:17:51.67\00:17:54.94
but it is this part
that is making the decision
00:17:54.97\00:17:58.61
of what you're going to store
00:17:58.64\00:18:00.58
and what you're
not going to store
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and of course, how is it
going to make that decision?
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Very fascinating how they
come up with these experiments
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but they actually take
this group of college students
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and they give them
this list of things to...
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list of words right here
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and then they have them
look at all of these words
00:18:15.69\00:18:17.86
in this list right here
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and then, few hours later,
00:18:19.26\00:18:20.60
they'll ask them to repeat and
say how much they can remember.
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But then they will
ask them the next morning
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how much they can remember
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and find out what... you
know, you lose a lot of stuff...
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you save some stuff
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but then they do
the same thing...
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but this time, as
they go through the list,
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some of them are marked
with little asterisks...
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those are the ones
we want you to remember
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because we're going to ask you
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about those in the
asterisk next... tomorrow.
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As they go through and
read the list... same thing...
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testing in a few hours is about
the same as the day before...
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now, testing the next day after
a good eight hours of sleep,
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the memory recall
of the asterisk ones
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is way up
compared to the others.
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In other words, that
intellectual thought of...
00:18:59.03\00:19:01.90
"I need to remember this... "
00:19:01.94\00:19:03.27
actually allowed you to transfer
it up to the permanent memory
00:19:03.30\00:19:07.84
during the night...
00:19:07.88\00:19:09.38
in other words, you're more...
00:19:09.41\00:19:11.38
so, what you decide is important
is going to make a difference.
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James: Okay.
00:19:14.88\00:19:16.22
Teske: But,
there is another thing,
00:19:16.25\00:19:17.59
we talked about the
motor, you know, learning...
00:19:17.62\00:19:20.46
whether it's
learning to ride a tricycle
00:19:20.49\00:19:22.89
or whether it is
learning to play the piano...
00:19:22.92\00:19:25.39
your motor... or
gymnastics... whatever...
00:19:25.43\00:19:27.70
learning motor skills...
00:19:27.76\00:19:29.80
you'll notice there...
00:19:29.83\00:19:31.87
in other words...
practice... repetition.
00:19:31.90\00:19:34.17
Pastor Bohr was talking about
what we watch... what we do...
00:19:34.20\00:19:38.67
that repetition of watching
the same type of thing...
00:19:38.71\00:19:42.51
seeing the same type of...
00:19:42.54\00:19:43.88
whatever is the trend
of what we're feeding on,
00:19:43.91\00:19:47.52
the frontal context
is going to put that up
00:19:47.55\00:19:51.25
in your permanent
long-term storage...
00:19:51.29\00:19:54.39
you know, you
become what you are...
00:19:54.42\00:19:57.46
as we say, when we
behold Christ continuously,
00:19:57.49\00:20:00.43
what's going to be
stored in that cortex
00:20:00.50\00:20:03.13
to perfectly reflect
the character of Christ...
00:20:03.16\00:20:06.33
to have His
character impressed upon us
00:20:06.40\00:20:09.07
means to be stored in that
cortex... being part of that...
00:20:09.10\00:20:12.81
it's all going to...
yeah, it comes in here...
00:20:12.84\00:20:16.48
you are your mind...
00:20:16.51\00:20:18.68
you know, salvation
takes place in your mind,
00:20:18.71\00:20:21.98
you know, it's...
00:20:22.02\00:20:23.59
this Christ in
you... is in your mind.
00:20:23.62\00:20:27.19
The tabernacle
service... you know,
00:20:27.26\00:20:30.79
foreshadowed all of this.
00:20:30.83\00:20:32.46
Your mind is that tabernacle...
00:20:32.49\00:20:36.16
the Shekinah glory has
come to dwell in there.
00:20:36.20\00:20:38.40
James: So how does
that... what you're saying...
00:20:38.43\00:20:40.64
how does that
relate to REM sleep?
00:20:40.67\00:20:42.00
Is this REM sleep that
you're talking about...
00:20:42.04\00:20:43.37
or is REM sleep different?
00:20:43.41\00:20:44.74
Teske: No, that's a
totally different thing.
00:20:44.77\00:20:46.11
James: Oh it is... okay...
so, how important is that?
00:20:46.14\00:20:49.78
Teske: REM sleep takes
place in... in the sleep cycle,
00:20:49.81\00:20:52.81
your first... there's
usually a deep cleaning cycle
00:20:52.85\00:20:55.78
as we wash all of the
chemical debris out of the mind
00:20:55.82\00:20:58.89
and get a clean mind.
00:20:58.92\00:21:00.26
James: We keep the
stuff we want to keep...
00:21:00.29\00:21:01.62
Teske: No, that's
different... the first part...
00:21:01.66\00:21:03.26
and then you're
storing the good stuff
00:21:03.29\00:21:05.56
and then later on,
you're deleting that flash drive
00:21:05.59\00:21:08.86
of the unimportant stuff...
00:21:08.90\00:21:10.27
then, REM sleep
is totally different.
00:21:10.30\00:21:13.00
In REM sleep, you not
only disconnect all the senses,
00:21:13.03\00:21:16.24
but you also
disconnect the motor...
00:21:16.27\00:21:18.97
there's a switching
board in your thalamus...
00:21:19.01\00:21:21.24
in the center of your brain...
00:21:21.28\00:21:22.61
when you go to sleep, you
switch off the sensory input
00:21:22.64\00:21:25.75
you're not
hearing... seeing... feeling...
00:21:25.78\00:21:28.72
it takes a lot to override
that and break in and, you know,
00:21:28.75\00:21:32.85
shake you awake or a
loud siren to wake you up.
00:21:32.89\00:21:35.06
So, that's the
sensory coming in...
00:21:35.09\00:21:38.49
but when you move to REM sleep,
00:21:38.53\00:21:41.86
we also switch off
the motor output...
00:21:41.90\00:21:44.53
you become totally
paralyzed during REM sleep.
00:21:44.57\00:21:46.74
James: Oh really? Teske:
Except for your eyeballs,
00:21:46.77\00:21:48.94
your eyeballs are
darting back and forth
00:21:48.97\00:21:50.41
and nobody knows why we do that.
00:21:50.44\00:21:51.77
But you become totally
paralyzed during REM sleep.
00:21:51.84\00:21:56.54
REM sleep is when you dream.
00:21:56.58\00:21:58.98
All those dreams you have
weren't happening all night long
00:21:59.01\00:22:02.52
they were
happening during REM sleep.
00:22:02.55\00:22:04.55
All of these hallucinations...
00:22:04.59\00:22:07.66
these
combinations that are absurd
00:22:07.69\00:22:10.26
pulled out of
various parts of your cortex
00:22:10.29\00:22:13.80
is pulling these out
00:22:13.83\00:22:15.46
and it's actually
making connections
00:22:15.53\00:22:17.87
to those
different parts right there
00:22:17.90\00:22:20.24
and it's reinforcing things.
00:22:20.27\00:22:21.84
This is the part where
you develop creativity.
00:22:21.87\00:22:26.14
The ability to connect
this idea with this idea
00:22:26.17\00:22:29.38
and the senses come up
with something new here,
00:22:29.41\00:22:32.58
takes place
during that REM sleep.
00:22:32.61\00:22:35.65
James: Wow!
00:22:35.68\00:22:37.19
Teske: There are
musicians who have woken up
00:22:37.22\00:22:40.02
from their REM sleep
with a melody... a song...
00:22:40.06\00:22:42.82
the words... poetry...
00:22:42.86\00:22:44.36
and it is at that point,
00:22:44.39\00:22:45.86
they've learned they can get up
00:22:45.89\00:22:47.33
and if they write
it down right away,
00:22:47.36\00:22:48.80
they would actually get
some very creative stuff.
00:22:48.86\00:22:52.13
One of the
fascinating stories...
00:22:52.17\00:22:53.94
A Russian
Scientist... this is in the past
00:22:53.97\00:22:56.87
studying up of
various elements...
00:22:56.91\00:22:58.41
he made up these old flash
cards for each of the elements
00:22:58.44\00:23:01.31
and the various characteristics
and how they react
00:23:01.34\00:23:04.21
and he knew there
had to be a pattern...
00:23:04.25\00:23:05.81
there had to be
something to this
00:23:05.85\00:23:07.62
and for over a year,
00:23:07.65\00:23:08.98
he carried that stack
of flash cards around him
00:23:09.02\00:23:11.15
while he was riding a train...
00:23:11.19\00:23:12.89
he would pull those
out and thumb through them
00:23:12.95\00:23:14.32
and see if he could
make some sense of them,
00:23:14.36\00:23:16.39
one night, in a dream, it
suddenly all came together...
00:23:16.42\00:23:19.76
the cards lined up
00:23:19.79\00:23:21.30
and he saw the
relationships between them.
00:23:21.33\00:23:23.73
He got up and he
wrote down what we now know
00:23:23.77\00:23:26.10
as the Periodic
Table of the Elements.
00:23:26.13\00:23:27.60
James: Oh!
00:23:27.64\00:23:28.97
Teske: With very few changes,
that is still the Periodic Table
00:23:29.00\00:23:32.37
that we all
memorize in Chemistry Class.
00:23:32.41\00:23:34.11
James: Okay.
00:23:34.18\00:23:35.51
Teske: It came together...
those connections came together
00:23:35.54\00:23:38.08
in the REM sleep.
00:23:38.11\00:23:39.81
Your creativity... your
ability to do new things...
00:23:39.85\00:23:43.92
different things... that's all
going to come together there.
00:23:43.95\00:23:47.46
If we lose that REM sleep,
00:23:47.49\00:23:49.09
we're going to cut out
that aspect of our experience...
00:23:49.12\00:23:53.63
become more
robotic and less ingenious
00:23:53.66\00:23:57.73
and feeling to
come up with new stuff.
00:23:57.77\00:24:01.57
James: Okay.
00:24:01.60\00:24:02.94
Teske: But it's... but
it's actually connecting
00:24:02.97\00:24:04.61
all those little
pieces together there.
00:24:04.64\00:24:06.01
Very interestingly...
00:24:06.07\00:24:07.84
whales only sleep with
half the brain at a time
00:24:07.88\00:24:14.82
because in REM sleep,
00:24:14.85\00:24:17.15
they've become
paralyzed and they drowned.
00:24:17.19\00:24:19.25
They have to keep breathing...
00:24:19.29\00:24:20.62
so, whales... half of the
brain goes through a sleep cycle
00:24:20.66\00:24:23.49
for several hours...
00:24:23.53\00:24:24.93
then the other
half goes to sleep...
00:24:24.99\00:24:26.59
and this side stays awake
00:24:26.63\00:24:28.03
and so, they swim and breath
with whichever side is open
00:24:28.06\00:24:29.90
on the other side...
00:24:29.93\00:24:31.43
and whales have no REM sleep.
00:24:31.50\00:24:34.24
James: Okay.
00:24:34.27\00:24:35.60
Teske: So, I guess
they're not real creative.
00:24:35.64\00:24:37.57
All: Laughter.
00:24:37.61\00:24:39.27
James: All right, we're
going to have another question
00:24:39.31\00:24:41.04
for you Doctor... so don't...
00:24:41.08\00:24:42.41
Eric: Pastor
Rafferty. James: Yes.
00:24:42.44\00:24:44.01
Eric: Can I say
something? James: Sure.
00:24:44.05\00:24:45.38
Eric: You brought something
up that I know a lot of people
00:24:45.41\00:24:47.88
like myself have
had questions about,
00:24:47.92\00:24:49.68
what if I've
lived a life in my past
00:24:49.72\00:24:53.46
that I don't want to remember...
00:24:53.49\00:24:55.52
what if I've
watched movies like...
00:24:55.59\00:24:57.56
like we've talked about
or I've listened to music...
00:24:57.59\00:25:01.30
and people go,
"Once you've seen it
00:25:01.33\00:25:03.16
or listened to it and done it,
00:25:03.20\00:25:05.10
it's... it's
etched in the mind. "
00:25:05.13\00:25:07.04
We have got a
promise even there...
00:25:07.07\00:25:08.97
the Bible says, "Let this mind
be in us which was in Christ"
00:25:09.00\00:25:12.47
and Christ says,
the New Covenant is...
00:25:12.51\00:25:16.24
"I'll write my law in your heart
and your sins and iniquities...
00:25:16.31\00:25:19.45
I will remember no more... "
00:25:19.48\00:25:21.55
so, we can literally ask God,
00:25:21.58\00:25:23.59
"God, I'm giving the
tables of my mind to You...
00:25:23.62\00:25:28.36
I want you to blot it out...
00:25:28.39\00:25:30.26
blot out all the
wickedness that I've done,
00:25:30.29\00:25:32.79
get rid of those
memories and those images
00:25:32.83\00:25:34.60
that I should have
never looked at... "
00:25:34.63\00:25:36.36
and God will do it.
00:25:36.40\00:25:37.73
James: Amen... amen.
00:25:37.77\00:25:39.10
Teske: You know, we
might add to that thought...
00:25:39.13\00:25:41.07
we have soldiers that
come back from the war
00:25:41.10\00:25:43.94
with something called: PTSD
00:25:43.97\00:25:46.47
and it comes from memories
you don't want to remember
00:25:46.51\00:25:52.41
whether it was their
buddies being blown apart
00:25:52.45\00:25:55.25
or they were
murdering all these people...
00:25:55.28\00:25:57.72
that's a traumatic thing.
00:25:57.75\00:25:59.09
People... we weren't
designed to murder people
00:25:59.12\00:26:01.06
and when you out there
00:26:01.09\00:26:02.42
in hand-to-hand
combat murdering people...
00:26:02.46\00:26:05.13
it affects you
00:26:05.16\00:26:06.56
and those are memories
that play on you, you know,
00:26:06.59\00:26:09.10
and what happened to
your closest buddies mess you
00:26:09.13\00:26:12.00
and one of the interesting
things they have found
00:26:12.03\00:26:15.97
in the treatment of
PTSD is that REM sleep helps.
00:26:16.00\00:26:18.77
James: Hmmm...
00:26:18.81\00:26:20.91
Teske: Interestingly,
if you have good REM sleep
00:26:20.94\00:26:24.91
on a regular basis,
00:26:24.95\00:26:26.65
it helps to
modulate bad experiences.
00:26:26.68\00:26:31.19
Grief...
anxiety... depression...
00:26:31.22\00:26:35.76
all of these things
will improve with REM sleep.
00:26:35.79\00:26:39.76
It has a modulating
healing protective function
00:26:39.79\00:26:44.33
on these way-out
experiences from whatever source
00:26:44.37\00:26:48.87
it helps you to
modulate those...
00:26:48.90\00:26:50.71
putting back in
the right context...
00:26:50.74\00:26:52.47
you can make connections
00:26:52.51\00:26:53.84
and connect them in
a constructive way...
00:26:53.88\00:26:55.74
it's not that
you've forgotten them
00:26:55.78\00:26:58.28
and you're amnesic about them,
00:26:58.31\00:26:59.81
but they don't
destroy your life now...
00:26:59.85\00:27:02.42
they don't paralyze you
00:27:02.45\00:27:03.89
and keep you from going on
with a productive positive life.
00:27:03.92\00:27:08.82
You know you can answer that...
00:27:08.86\00:27:11.73
what is it that
destroys REM sleep?
00:27:11.79\00:27:14.46
We mentioned some of them...
00:27:14.50\00:27:16.26
we mentioned
the role of caffeine
00:27:16.30\00:27:17.93
and its disruption of the sleep.
00:27:17.97\00:27:19.53
Alcohol is very
disruptive of REM sleep
00:27:19.57\00:27:22.77
so are sleeping
pills... various sleeping pills.
00:27:22.80\00:27:26.47
James: Really?
Sleeping pills too? Okay.
00:27:26.51\00:27:28.11
Teske: They prevent...
all of these aspects of sleep
00:27:28.14\00:27:31.51
and particularly the REM...
00:27:31.55\00:27:32.88
the alcohol... an alcoholic
who has been out of REM...
00:27:32.91\00:27:36.48
major REM-sleep deprived...
00:27:36.52\00:27:38.75
there's no REM
sleep with alcohol
00:27:38.79\00:27:40.42
and when you're an alcoholic,
00:27:40.46\00:27:41.79
you haven't had REM sleep
for days... weeks or months.
00:27:41.82\00:27:44.33
One of the first things
they get is hallucinations...
00:27:44.36\00:27:46.86
vivid hallucinations
00:27:46.90\00:27:49.30
and snakes and lizards
are crawling out of the wall
00:27:49.33\00:27:51.90
and spiders are on their arms
00:27:51.93\00:27:53.54
and the only thing we can do
is try to drug them back down
00:27:53.57\00:27:58.34
to spare them
these hallucinations
00:27:58.37\00:28:00.71
which are basically...
00:28:00.78\00:28:02.14
they need dreams so bad,
00:28:02.18\00:28:03.51
they're dreaming while they're
still conscious and awake
00:28:03.55\00:28:05.91
and it's a very
discomforting... disquieting
00:28:05.95\00:28:08.58
to have all of these types
of things that happen in dreams
00:28:08.62\00:28:11.02
happen when you
know you're awake.
00:28:11.05\00:28:12.45
James: You know, it's
interesting you should say that
00:28:12.49\00:28:13.82
because I have a good
friend who's an alcoholic
00:28:13.86\00:28:15.56
and he told me some years ago
00:28:15.59\00:28:17.13
that he doesn't
have dreams anymore...
00:28:17.16\00:28:18.59
he doesn't dream anymore...
00:28:18.63\00:28:19.96
it was a real thing for him
that he felt, you know was...
00:28:20.00\00:28:22.70
was missing
00:28:22.73\00:28:24.07
so anyway, we've got a few
more questions we need to get to
00:28:24.10\00:28:26.84
so, we'll go ahead and digress
now back to the theological...
00:28:26.87\00:28:29.87
"Dear Pastors, I had
mentioned to family members
00:28:29.90\00:28:34.21
who are Christians
00:28:34.24\00:28:35.58
that we have to give up
sin if we want to go to heaven.
00:28:35.61\00:28:38.88
Their response was
that all we have to do
00:28:38.91\00:28:42.08
is accept that what
Jesus did on the cross
00:28:42.12\00:28:45.22
and believe
that He will save us.
00:28:45.25\00:28:46.76
They said my message
was a message of perfection
00:28:46.79\00:28:49.72
and that my
message was discouraging
00:28:49.76\00:28:52.33
because of our sinful natures.
00:28:52.39\00:28:53.73
How perfect and
obedient do we have to be
00:28:53.76\00:28:57.47
to get into heaven?"
00:28:57.50\00:28:59.47
Wooo... Pastor Bohr.
00:28:59.53\00:29:01.44
Bohr: You know, could
I just comment on that?
00:29:01.47\00:29:05.97
What do we mean by
our sins taken care of
00:29:06.01\00:29:10.41
when we accept the
death of Jesus on the cross?
00:29:10.45\00:29:13.08
The devil accepts the
death of Jesus on the cross...
00:29:13.11\00:29:17.99
I mean, he believes it.
00:29:18.02\00:29:19.92
Accepting the death of
Jesus on the cross means,
00:29:19.95\00:29:25.43
first of all that you repent...
00:29:25.46\00:29:28.96
you're really,
really sorry for sin
00:29:29.03\00:29:31.03
because of what it did to Jesus.
00:29:31.07\00:29:33.03
Secondly, confess that sin
00:29:33.07\00:29:36.60
and say, "Lord, I blew it. "
00:29:36.64\00:29:40.11
3. Have faith
and trust that Jesus
00:29:40.14\00:29:45.95
will take His life and His death
and credit them to my account
00:29:45.98\00:29:50.52
so that I'm
accepted in the Beloved.
00:29:50.55\00:29:53.49
When that happens, there's
a transformation in the life
00:29:53.52\00:29:58.79
and there's a
change in the behavior...
00:29:58.83\00:30:01.66
but the problem is...
many of the Christian world
00:30:01.70\00:30:04.70
say, "Oh, all I have to do is
00:30:04.73\00:30:06.07
believe that Jesus
died on the cross. "
00:30:06.10\00:30:07.44
But there's much more involved
00:30:07.47\00:30:09.77
in believing that
Jesus died on the cross.
00:30:09.80\00:30:12.24
It has to do with
seeing how terrible sin is...
00:30:12.27\00:30:15.11
not wanting anything
to do with sin anymore...
00:30:15.14\00:30:17.95
being sorry for sin...
00:30:18.01\00:30:19.65
confessing that there's no
excuse... that I'm to blame
00:30:19.68\00:30:23.05
and having faith that Jesus
will take His life and His death
00:30:23.08\00:30:27.82
and credit them to my account.
00:30:27.89\00:30:29.22
So, all of that is
involved in accepting Jesus
00:30:29.26\00:30:33.70
and His death on the cross.
00:30:33.73\00:30:35.06
James: Amen... amen... Eric...
00:30:35.13\00:30:36.46
Eric: It's interesting
because this is a question
00:30:36.50\00:30:39.17
that all of us should recognize.
00:30:39.20\00:30:41.04
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:30:41.07\00:30:42.40
Eric: Why do we... why
do we resist perfection?
00:30:42.44\00:30:45.07
The Olympics wants perfection.
00:30:45.11\00:30:48.58
If you... if you
had 20 young women
00:30:48.61\00:30:51.31
that were going to enter
the Miss Universe Pageant,
00:30:51.35\00:30:53.55
nobody gets up there and says,
00:30:53.58\00:30:55.32
"Ah, I'd like to
be number four. "
00:30:55.35\00:30:56.89
James: Hmmm...
00:30:56.92\00:30:58.25
Eric: You know, if
you go to the Olympics,
00:30:58.29\00:30:59.62
you say, "I want to be on
the Olympics Ski Team... "
00:30:59.65\00:31:01.52
and they say,
"What's your goal?"
00:31:01.59\00:31:03.02
"I'd like to win a Bronze... "
00:31:03.09\00:31:04.46
the coach wouldn't
even let you on the team.
00:31:04.49\00:31:07.10
If you want to be CEO of IBM,
00:31:07.13\00:31:10.80
they're not going to put
you there if you just want to...
00:31:10.83\00:31:13.23
"I'd like to make a
100,000 dollars next year
00:31:13.27\00:31:15.47
for the Company. "
00:31:15.50\00:31:17.27
The world wants perfection...
00:31:17.31\00:31:20.84
why should we as Christians
be satisfied with anything less
00:31:20.88\00:31:23.88
and I'm not there...
I'm not claiming to be there
00:31:23.91\00:31:25.81
but it's like...
Jesus said something to us,
00:31:25.85\00:31:29.68
He said, "Be ye
therefore perfect,
00:31:29.72\00:31:32.29
even as your Father
in heaven is perfect... "
00:31:32.35\00:31:34.52
and Ellen White said
something when she quoted that.
00:31:34.56\00:31:38.23
She said, "This
Command is also a promise. "
00:31:38.29\00:31:41.53
God wants us to
be exactly like Him
00:31:41.56\00:31:46.70
and if... if we are striving
00:31:46.74\00:31:48.97
with everything
in us to gain that,
00:31:49.00\00:31:51.17
He'll make sure
that He gets us there.
00:31:51.21\00:31:53.31
James: Amen... amen... C.A.
00:31:53.34\00:31:55.54
CA Murray: I recall getting
into... and I don't argue
00:31:55.58\00:31:57.98
but I recall getting into
reasonably intense discussion
00:31:58.01\00:32:01.28
once with an individual...
00:32:01.32\00:32:03.05
we were talking about whether
Martin Luther had a theology
00:32:03.08\00:32:06.05
of Sanctification.
00:32:06.22\00:32:07.56
We know he had justification
but did he go beyond?
00:32:07.59\00:32:13.19
and rather that
we litigate this now,
00:32:13.23\00:32:15.40
I would say this... what... what
Pastor Bohr was talking about
00:32:15.43\00:32:17.67
is Justification.
00:32:17.70\00:32:19.17
You... you are saved...
00:32:19.20\00:32:20.94
you are right with Christ
at the point of Justification.
00:32:20.97\00:32:23.54
Were you to close your
eyes in death the next second...
00:32:23.61\00:32:26.11
you are saved
00:32:26.14\00:32:27.61
but the longer you
live... every other second,
00:32:27.64\00:32:29.54
you got to be working
towards getting closer to Christ
00:32:29.58\00:32:32.21
which is the
Sanctification experience.
00:32:32.25\00:32:34.45
The thing is, James,
00:32:34.48\00:32:36.12
I think that
people want to be right
00:32:36.15\00:32:39.49
but there's something
in us in these last days...
00:32:39.52\00:32:42.62
we don't want to do.
00:32:42.66\00:32:43.99
We don't... we
just... we barely do...
00:32:44.03\00:32:47.70
well, He has showed
your old man what is...
00:32:47.76\00:32:49.26
what requires of you...
00:32:49.33\00:32:50.80
what's the next word?
00:32:50.83\00:32:52.73
Do... do justly...
00:32:52.80\00:32:54.64
you... you...
you... you... you...
00:32:54.67\00:32:56.37
James: Love mercy.
00:32:56.40\00:32:57.74
CA Murray: Your
bank account is credited
00:32:57.77\00:33:00.28
at the point... you give
your heart to the Lord...
00:33:00.31\00:33:02.24
you are justified...
00:33:02.28\00:33:03.71
from then on, you got to do...
you can't get away from that.
00:33:03.75\00:33:07.05
It's part of your
growth experience.
00:33:07.08\00:33:09.12
You can't get around
it, you can't avoid it.
00:33:09.15\00:33:11.05
It's part of your living...
your loving and your acceptance
00:33:11.09\00:33:14.96
and your
surrender to Jesus Christ.
00:33:14.99\00:33:16.73
James: It's the
irrefutable objection...
00:33:16.76\00:33:18.39
take up your cross and follow
me is the irrefutable objection.
00:33:18.43\00:33:21.83
Bohr: Precisely...
00:33:21.86\00:33:24.17
Ellen White wrote a
very short statement
00:33:24.20\00:33:25.83
which is powerful.
00:33:25.87\00:33:27.40
The righteousness by which
we are justified is imputed.
00:33:27.44\00:33:33.11
That's a fancy
theological word for credited...
00:33:33.14\00:33:36.85
placed to our account.
00:33:36.91\00:33:39.38
James:
"Reckoned" the Bible says.
00:33:39.41\00:33:41.08
Bohr: In other
words, our debt is paid.
00:33:41.12\00:33:42.88
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:33:42.92\00:33:44.25
Bohr: The righteousness
by which we are sanctified,
00:33:44.29\00:33:47.56
is imparted...
and the Lord says,
00:33:47.59\00:33:50.69
it's given
constantly from Christ to us.
00:33:50.73\00:33:53.90
The first "Justification"
is our title to heaven...
00:33:53.93\00:33:58.27
it gives us the right to heaven
00:33:58.30\00:34:00.30
but Sanctification is
the fitness for heaven
00:34:00.34\00:34:04.84
and, you know, I
used an illustration
00:34:04.87\00:34:08.24
when we did the... the Symposium
00:34:08.28\00:34:10.41
on Final Generation Theology,
00:34:10.45\00:34:12.48
do you suppose that
you could pay someone
00:34:12.51\00:34:16.02
at the Department of
Motor Vehicles enough
00:34:16.05\00:34:19.49
that you could
buy a Driver's License
00:34:19.52\00:34:21.22
even though you
don't know how to drive?
00:34:21.26\00:34:22.92
James: Hmmm... maybe.
00:34:22.96\00:34:24.29
Bohr: I think there
might be a corrupt person
00:34:24.33\00:34:25.66
where you can get
a Driver's License.
00:34:25.69\00:34:27.80
Does that give you
the fitness to drive?
00:34:27.83\00:34:29.73
All: No.
00:34:29.76\00:34:31.27
Bohr: It would be
pretty dangerous, wouldn't it?
00:34:31.30\00:34:32.63
Panel: Correct.
00:34:32.67\00:34:34.00
Bohr: Do you think it's possible
that there are people out there
00:34:34.04\00:34:35.37
that know how to drive but
don't have a Driver's License?
00:34:35.40\00:34:38.27
Panel: Laughing.
00:34:38.31\00:34:40.11
Bohr: Of course... in order to
drive you have to have the Title
00:34:40.14\00:34:44.55
and you have the fitness
00:34:44.58\00:34:46.98
or else you're not... you're
not going to be able to drive
00:34:47.02\00:34:49.85
and so, the same is
true with salvation.
00:34:49.88\00:34:51.92
You have to have the imputed
00:34:51.95\00:34:53.96
and the imparted
righteousness of Christ.
00:34:53.99\00:34:55.62
James: All right,
let's add to that,
00:34:55.69\00:34:57.13
so, let's say you
have your title...
00:34:57.16\00:34:58.53
and you have your
fitness and you go out and drive
00:34:58.56\00:35:01.00
and you break the speed limit
00:35:01.03\00:35:02.86
and this has
happened to me, you know,
00:35:02.90\00:35:05.40
I've been pulled over by a
Police Officer and I'm guilty...
00:35:05.43\00:35:07.57
I'm guilty of
transgressing the law,
00:35:07.60\00:35:08.97
at that point, I've...
00:35:09.00\00:35:11.67
you know, I've got the
fitness because I can drive
00:35:11.71\00:35:13.58
and I've got the title
because I've got my license,
00:35:13.61\00:35:15.44
but I'm a transgressor
00:35:15.48\00:35:16.85
and at that
point, I'm under the law.
00:35:16.88\00:35:20.32
What I mean by that is
00:35:20.35\00:35:21.68
I'm under the
condemnation of the law
00:35:21.72\00:35:23.05
and in the Christian experience
00:35:23.08\00:35:25.19
as in my experience
with one Police Officer,
00:35:25.22\00:35:27.06
instead of
writing me out the ticket,
00:35:27.09\00:35:29.39
he extended to
me grace or mercy...
00:35:29.42\00:35:32.16
he forgave me but he said to me,
00:35:32.19\00:35:34.86
"I don't want you
to be driving this car
00:35:34.93\00:35:39.00
in violation of the
law from this point on... "
00:35:39.03\00:35:41.20
and you know what I said?
00:35:41.27\00:35:42.60
I said, "Thank
you very much Officer,
00:35:42.64\00:35:43.97
believe me... I will not be
violating the law anymore. "
00:35:44.01\00:35:47.24
Panel: Go and sin no more.
00:35:47.28\00:35:48.61
Bohr: Let me piggyback on
that, let me piggyback on that
00:35:48.64\00:35:50.85
because I had an...
I had that experience.
00:35:50.88\00:35:53.08
James: I think we all
have to some degree, right?
00:35:53.11\00:35:55.28
Bohr: When I was pastor
of Fresno Central Church...
00:35:55.35\00:35:57.45
I just arrived... it was
the first year that I was here,
00:35:57.49\00:36:00.02
we had a
fantastic Prayer Meeting...
00:36:00.06\00:36:02.36
we sang and we gave testimonies
and we studied the Word
00:36:02.42\00:36:06.13
and I was really pumped up
00:36:06.19\00:36:07.76
so, when I got out, I went to...
00:36:07.80\00:36:10.20
and I turned on to First Street
00:36:10.23\00:36:12.60
and I was going
about 55 miles an hour
00:36:12.63\00:36:16.91
in a 40-mile-per-hour zone
00:36:16.94\00:36:18.37
I saw the police lights
behind me, so I stopped.
00:36:18.41\00:36:22.81
By the way, to
make a long story short,
00:36:22.84\00:36:25.18
I didn't have a
Driver's License with me
00:36:25.21\00:36:27.48
and I didn't have the
auto registration available
00:36:27.52\00:36:30.62
but he checked me
out in the computer
00:36:30.65\00:36:32.42
and he asked me...
"What... what do you do?"
00:36:32.45\00:36:35.29
I was almost
embarrassed to tell him...
00:36:35.32\00:36:36.69
I said, "I'm a Pastor... "
00:36:36.73\00:36:38.49
and he says, "Well, do
you know why I stopped you?"
00:36:38.53\00:36:40.63
"Yes, I was going
over the speed limit... "
00:36:40.66\00:36:43.06
and then I said,
00:36:43.10\00:36:44.43
"You know, we just came
out of a Prayer Meeting here...
00:36:44.50\00:36:46.77
just a couple of
blocks from here...
00:36:46.80\00:36:49.00
and I was pumped up and my
head was in the clouds... "
00:36:49.04\00:36:51.97
and he says,
00:36:52.01\00:36:53.88
"Yeah, but when you're driving,
it needs to be on the earth. "
00:36:53.94\00:36:55.91
All: Laughter.
00:36:55.94\00:36:58.08
Bohr: And so, then he
says to me he says to me...
00:36:58.11\00:37:01.48
"You know, being that you
didn't do it intentionally,
00:37:01.55\00:37:04.75
you were just kind of...
you were just kind of out of it,
00:37:04.79\00:37:07.96
I'm going to
forgive your ticket... "
00:37:07.99\00:37:10.33
and so, he forgave my ticket.
00:37:10.36\00:37:12.19
James: Okay.
00:37:12.23\00:37:13.56
Bohr: He did the
wrong thing. James: Oh?
00:37:13.60\00:37:14.93
Bohr: He did the wrong thing,
00:37:14.96\00:37:16.53
see the illustration
of the Policeman saying,
00:37:16.56\00:37:19.50
"I'll let you go this time... "
00:37:19.53\00:37:21.27
is not a full illustration.
00:37:21.30\00:37:23.20
James: Okay.
00:37:23.27\00:37:24.87
Bohr: And the illustration
of "Justification" would be...
00:37:24.91\00:37:26.57
if the policeman says,
00:37:26.61\00:37:27.98
"My job is not to
forgive your ticket,
00:37:28.01\00:37:31.08
my job is to enforce the
law and you've broken the law
00:37:31.11\00:37:35.88
so, you have to
pay for the ticket
00:37:35.92\00:37:38.39
but because you're sorry,
00:37:38.42\00:37:40.39
I'm going to go down
to the Police Station
00:37:40.42\00:37:42.96
and I'm going to
pay the ticket... "
00:37:42.99\00:37:44.33
that's where the
illustration is complete
00:37:44.36\00:37:47.40
because if he just
allows me to get off the hook
00:37:47.43\00:37:50.90
without enforcing the law,
00:37:50.93\00:37:52.27
you're actually
making fun of the law.
00:37:52.30\00:37:54.17
James: Right...
yeah... good... good.
00:37:54.24\00:37:56.10
CA Murray: We all have one,
00:37:56.14\00:37:57.47
I got to just put
this in real quick...
00:37:57.51\00:37:58.84
speeding to Prayer
Meeting on Wednesday night,
00:37:58.87\00:38:00.68
pulled over by the
New York City police,
00:38:00.71\00:38:02.38
I... actually I had baptized
several New York City Policemen,
00:38:02.44\00:38:05.91
I have a little card that I was
given by a policeman that said
00:38:05.95\00:38:09.42
yeah... basically...
"Show it when you put one...
00:38:09.45\00:38:11.52
when they ask you for
license and registration...
00:38:11.55\00:38:12.89
pull out this card,
00:38:12.92\00:38:14.46
I guarantee you,
they'll let you go... "
00:38:14.49\00:38:15.82
and I... and I did that once
00:38:15.86\00:38:17.19
and he said... he
said, "What is that?"
00:38:17.23\00:38:18.76
I said, "I got this
from Sergeant so and so...
00:38:18.79\00:38:21.36
he's a member of my church. "
00:38:21.40\00:38:22.73
He said, "Okay... "
00:38:22.76\00:38:24.10
he said, "Are
you a real Pastor?"
00:38:24.13\00:38:25.47
I said, "Yeah... "
00:38:25.50\00:38:26.84
"You believe in
God?" I said, "Yes. "
00:38:26.87\00:38:28.40
He said, "Okay, slow down
00:38:28.44\00:38:29.97
or you're going
to meet your boss. "
00:38:30.01\00:38:31.34
All: Laughter.
00:38:31.37\00:38:33.27
James: Eric...
00:38:33.31\00:38:35.38
Eric: This is...
this is interesting...
00:38:35.41\00:38:37.65
there is a statement
that was made by W.W. Prescott
00:38:37.68\00:38:40.72
and Ellen White was at the
sermon where he shared this.
00:38:40.75\00:38:43.75
James: Avondale?
00:38:43.79\00:38:45.12
Eric: Yes... he
said, "To receive Christ,
00:38:45.15\00:38:49.16
or to believe on Christ...
is to receive Christ...
00:38:49.19\00:38:51.79
not to merely
receive a set of doctrines
00:38:51.83\00:38:55.76
but to receive a life. "
00:38:55.80\00:38:58.73
So, when I accept Christ,
00:38:58.77\00:39:01.64
I'm not just accepting that
He did something outside of me,
00:39:01.67\00:39:05.67
I'm saying, "I
accept You coming into me
00:39:05.71\00:39:09.18
and now living Your
life of holiness and purity
00:39:09.21\00:39:13.72
and obedience in
my mortal flesh. "
00:39:13.75\00:39:16.38
2nd Corinthians 4:10 and 11.
00:39:16.42\00:39:18.72
So, it's not just
to believe on Him,
00:39:18.75\00:39:21.46
it's to love Him enough
to let Him rule and reign
00:39:21.49\00:39:25.39
and conquer sin in my life.
00:39:25.43\00:39:27.50
James: And one
thing that I think
00:39:27.53\00:39:28.86
that these
illustrations are brought up
00:39:28.90\00:39:31.37
is how
inadequate illustrations are
00:39:31.43\00:39:33.84
to fully explain the
gospel of Jesus Christ...
00:39:33.87\00:39:38.07
that everlasting gospel.
00:39:38.11\00:39:39.44
I think there's a
place where we're told that
00:39:39.47\00:39:42.01
you can't explain
it, you have to...
00:39:42.04\00:39:44.15
it has to be experienced.
00:39:44.18\00:39:45.91
You can't... so, we
can argue about... jzjzbzbz
00:39:45.98\00:39:47.58
and all this theological stuff
but the truth of the matter is:
00:39:47.62\00:39:50.72
"To as many as
have received Him...
00:39:50.75\00:39:52.42
to them He gives power to become
00:39:52.45\00:39:53.86
the sons and daughters of God
00:39:53.92\00:39:55.26
and that is an experience
that you can't necessarily
00:39:55.29\00:39:58.23
always wrap around...
words around or illustrations
00:39:58.26\00:40:01.26
or, you know, illustrate.
00:40:01.30\00:40:02.86
Okay, let's get to
another question here,
00:40:02.90\00:40:04.63
this one...
we're going back to...
00:40:04.67\00:40:07.60
to our... our good Dr.
Teske, we're going to give him
00:40:07.64\00:40:10.84
this question
with a caveat of time
00:40:10.87\00:40:14.61
because, Man! you've got so much
stuff that you can share with us
00:40:14.64\00:40:17.48
it's... it's great
00:40:17.55\00:40:19.35
but we've got
about 17 minutes left...
00:40:19.38\00:40:20.85
we got a few more questions
and a couple have come in
00:40:20.92\00:40:22.85
so, Dr. Teske, "What
is the recommended dose
00:40:22.88\00:40:26.69
for Vitamin B12... is it 5,000
mcgs daily or twice a week?
00:40:26.76\00:40:32.99
Teske: This will
be a short answer,
00:40:33.03\00:40:34.80
you know, the
dosage is 5,000 micrograms
00:40:34.83\00:40:40.14
which is the
same as 5 milligrams
00:40:40.17\00:40:42.07
but for some reason, they always
like to write 5,000 micrograms.
00:40:42.10\00:40:44.41
James: Okay.
00:40:44.44\00:40:46.21
Teske: And a
couple of times a week,
00:40:46.24\00:40:49.84
you will pick up enough
to cover your daily needs.
00:40:49.88\00:40:52.98
Remember, your liver can
store up to about 5 years' worth
00:40:53.01\00:40:58.09
of Vitamin B12
00:40:58.12\00:40:59.65
and because of its
irregular appearance
00:40:59.69\00:41:03.89
in our vegetarian diet,
00:41:03.93\00:41:05.99
storing up some extra
might be of value to you
00:41:06.03\00:41:10.20
and particularly,
00:41:10.27\00:41:12.47
you may well be running
on very minimal reserves
00:41:12.50\00:41:15.04
if you've been a
vegetarian for a long time.
00:41:15.07\00:41:17.54
It's, you know, only it's going
to come from animal sources,
00:41:17.57\00:41:21.88
you know, such as meat
00:41:21.91\00:41:23.24
and if we're living
on a plant-based diet
00:41:23.28\00:41:25.98
in this day and age,
00:41:26.01\00:41:27.35
you will become deficient
00:41:27.38\00:41:29.12
and you will experience
00:41:29.15\00:41:31.12
permanent
irreversible nerve damage...
00:41:31.15\00:41:33.66
brain damage down the
road here at some point
00:41:33.69\00:41:36.62
if you are deficient, yeah
00:41:36.66\00:41:39.09
yeah... and so, I
would recommend that you take
00:41:39.13\00:41:43.20
the 5,000 micrograms
every day, you won't forget it,
00:41:43.23\00:41:46.47
you don't have to
keep track of it...
00:41:46.50\00:41:48.04
it just becomes a
daily habit, put it there...
00:41:48.07\00:41:50.71
get the little ones
that dissolve in your mouth
00:41:50.74\00:41:53.38
that you chew or
dissolve in your mouth...
00:41:53.41\00:41:55.51
we explained
that in the lecture.
00:41:55.54\00:41:57.25
If you missed
the lecture, go back
00:41:57.28\00:41:58.81
and you can
pick up those details
00:41:58.88\00:42:00.35
but 5,000 micrograms every day
if you're on a plant-based diet.
00:42:00.42\00:42:04.92
James: Which I do... I
do a Vitamin B12 every day
00:42:04.95\00:42:07.36
and it really helps me
in stressful situations...
00:42:07.39\00:42:09.56
it really helps me
00:42:09.59\00:42:10.99
and I can tell when I'm
low on Vitamin B12 actually...
00:42:11.03\00:42:13.40
I... I have some skin
issues that I deal with...
00:42:13.43\00:42:16.10
Eczema that I deal with
and I can always tell...
00:42:16.13\00:42:18.73
it's always
related to my Vitamin B12
00:42:18.77\00:42:20.54
so, sometimes, I'll
take a little bit more
00:42:20.57\00:42:21.90
and sure enough, there's
a direct connection there
00:42:21.94\00:42:24.74
so, it's really
been helpful for me.
00:42:24.77\00:42:26.47
Stress is a big
factor, I think, for me anyway
00:42:26.51\00:42:28.84
when it comes to...
00:42:28.88\00:42:30.21
okay, here's a question,
00:42:30.25\00:42:31.58
"Dear Pastors,
Pastor Murray said,
00:42:31.61\00:42:32.95
Pastor Murray said in
his sermon this morning
00:42:32.98\00:42:37.49
on Sabbath
00:42:37.52\00:42:38.95
that now is the
time of judgment.
00:42:38.99\00:42:41.59
How long do you think the
judgment has been going on?
00:42:41.62\00:42:44.96
Also, is it possible that my
life has already been examined
00:42:44.99\00:42:48.76
and my fate has been sealed?"
00:42:48.80\00:42:50.40
And then I just
want this a little bit
00:42:50.43\00:42:52.57
because there's a
little bit more to this
00:42:52.60\00:42:53.94
that kind of fills it out.
00:42:53.97\00:42:55.30
"After a long
departure from God,
00:42:55.34\00:42:57.81
I came to my senses and asked
God where I stood with Him.
00:42:57.84\00:43:00.41
This was
followed by a short dream
00:43:00.44\00:43:02.31
in which an image of a dead
little girl was in the desert
00:43:02.34\00:43:04.95
followed by a TV
screen listing my sins.
00:43:04.98\00:43:07.08
Ever since then, I feel
like God has already judged me
00:43:07.12\00:43:10.59
and destined me to hell.
00:43:10.62\00:43:11.95
I have no peace whatsoever
00:43:11.99\00:43:13.39
regarding my
salvation, thank you. "
00:43:13.42\00:43:15.09
So, C.A., would you like
to start with this since...
00:43:15.12\00:43:19.06
CA Murray: Let me take
the back-end of that first
00:43:19.09\00:43:21.63
because I think it's... it's...
00:43:21.66\00:43:23.00
the Lord does not accuse
or condemn... Satan does that,
00:43:23.03\00:43:30.24
so, if you're being
plagued by those thoughts,
00:43:30.27\00:43:33.51
God does not send those
thoughts of discouragement.
00:43:33.54\00:43:37.21
God will prick your conscience.
00:43:37.25\00:43:39.11
He will arrest you in your steps
00:43:39.15\00:43:41.42
but God is not
out to disquiet you,
00:43:41.45\00:43:44.29
He's out to save you...
He's out to give you peace.
00:43:44.32\00:43:46.15
So, those thoughts are
not coming from the Lord
00:43:46.19\00:43:48.96
and... and you
need to understand that
00:43:48.99\00:43:50.56
because you may think
00:43:50.59\00:43:52.16
that because you're
going through a bad time,
00:43:52.19\00:43:53.90
that's commentary on
God's love for you... it is not.
00:43:53.93\00:43:57.03
It is not commentary
on God's love for you.
00:43:57.07\00:43:59.33
James: Amen.
00:43:59.37\00:44:01.30
CA Murray: Ah...
ah... my thought just...
00:44:01.34\00:44:03.20
I had three or
four things in my mind
00:44:03.24\00:44:04.74
and I'm... I'm.. I'm losing
my thought... thought process...
00:44:04.77\00:44:06.64
Eric: Shall I say something?
CA Murray: Yes, go ahead.
00:44:06.68\00:44:08.84
Eric: to give you a second.
00:44:08.88\00:44:10.31
If somebody has got
a question like this
00:44:10.35\00:44:12.31
or struggling like
this and I've been there...
00:44:12.35\00:44:14.15
we have got a booklet that we're
about to publish and I'll...
00:44:14.18\00:44:17.35
I'll share it for free as a
PDF if you'll send us an e-mail.
00:44:17.39\00:44:20.49
It's called: A Message of Hope.
00:44:20.52\00:44:21.86
There's one...
one verse in the Bible
00:44:21.89\00:44:25.03
that always got me
through those times
00:44:25.06\00:44:27.93
where the enemy
was attacking me with:
00:44:27.96\00:44:29.66
You've committed
the unpardonable sin...
00:44:29.70\00:44:31.57
you've gone too far or...
00:44:31.60\00:44:32.97
Jesus said, "Him
that commeth to me,
00:44:33.00\00:44:35.70
I will in no wise cast out. "
00:44:35.74\00:44:39.31
Panel: Amen... amen.
00:44:39.34\00:44:40.68
Eric: It's like
He... Ellen White says...
00:44:40.71\00:44:42.04
He was ready to forgive Judas
00:44:42.08\00:44:44.01
if Judas only would have turned
00:44:44.05\00:44:47.88
and Jesus said in John
6... I think it was 6, He said,
00:44:47.92\00:44:50.69
"I've only lost one... and that
was the son of perdition... "
00:44:50.72\00:44:55.26
speaking of Judas... only one...
00:44:55.29\00:44:57.79
and so, I think,
if God is for us,
00:44:57.83\00:45:01.80
who can be against us?
00:45:01.83\00:45:03.16
James: You know,
Ellen White says,
00:45:03.20\00:45:04.53
"If we only had one
promise in the Bible,
00:45:04.57\00:45:06.50
that would be enough to take
us into the Kingdom of God... "
00:45:06.53\00:45:08.07
John 6:37... very true.
00:45:08.10\00:45:10.17
CA you're back on here, Buddy.
00:45:10.21\00:45:11.54
CA Murray: You
know, I'm thinking...
00:45:11.57\00:45:13.34
you know, and... and... and
Eric's thought brought me to it,
00:45:13.38\00:45:16.54
Judas' sin was no
worse than Peter's sin...
00:45:16.58\00:45:19.75
they were both
based on a mistake.
00:45:19.78\00:45:22.02
Peter had enough... Peter
fell on... on... on Christ
00:45:22.05\00:45:26.99
and... and Judas could have...
00:45:27.02\00:45:29.02
I mean, Judas pointed Him out,
00:45:29.06\00:45:30.99
picked up a few bucks in
the... in the... in the process.
00:45:31.03\00:45:33.70
He thought he was
helping Christ... he was not.
00:45:33.73\00:45:36.56
Peter denied Him... is Judas'
mistake any worse than Peter's?
00:45:36.60\00:45:41.00
The thing is,
"What happens to you
00:45:41.04\00:45:42.97
when you are caught...
00:45:43.00\00:45:44.61
when you are convicted...
00:45:44.64\00:45:46.14
when life shows you
that your course is wrong,
00:45:46.17\00:45:48.41
you've got to go to Jesus.
00:45:48.44\00:45:50.11
Peter went to
Jesus... Judas did not
00:45:50.15\00:45:53.01
and so, that's the
same answer for... for...
00:45:53.05\00:45:55.25
this poor
soul... go to Christ...
00:45:55.28\00:45:58.32
He will not cast you out...
00:45:58.35\00:45:59.69
He's able to save to the utmost
00:45:59.72\00:46:01.69
and if you... if
you... if you've got some time
00:46:01.72\00:46:03.89
to really play with
the... the Word of God...
00:46:03.93\00:46:05.26
look up "utmost"
any time... any place...
00:46:05.29\00:46:07.73
anywhere... any situation...
00:46:07.76\00:46:09.10
there is no place you can
go... you cannot run too far...
00:46:09.13\00:46:12.93
you cannot run too
fast to run away from God.
00:46:12.97\00:46:15.40
He will track you down...
00:46:15.44\00:46:16.84
He will stay with you...
00:46:16.87\00:46:18.21
He will hold on to you.
00:46:18.24\00:46:19.57
You can boldly
say, Hebrews 13:5 and 6,
00:46:19.61\00:46:21.61
"I can boldly say,
'God is my helper... '
00:46:21.64\00:46:23.71
He will never leave
me nor forsake me... "
00:46:23.75\00:46:25.78
that is an iron-clad promise...
00:46:25.81\00:46:27.15
it knows no variance...
00:46:27.18\00:46:28.52
it knows no haste...
00:46:28.55\00:46:29.88
it knows no delay...
you are still in Christ...
00:46:29.92\00:46:32.45
Christ is still in
you... He loves you
00:46:32.49\00:46:34.56
and the fact that
you feel guilty...
00:46:34.62\00:46:36.59
the fact that you feel shame...
00:46:36.62\00:46:38.19
the fact that you feel sadness
is testament in itself...
00:46:38.23\00:46:41.16
is de facto testament that you
are you are still in Christ...
00:46:41.20\00:46:43.67
you haven't gone too far.
00:46:43.70\00:46:45.03
James: Yeah, and we've
got to remember, you know,
00:46:45.07\00:46:46.40
sometimes these
dreams... when we've...
00:46:46.43\00:46:48.57
we talked earlier about this...
00:46:48.60\00:46:50.11
when we put all this
garbage in our brains...
00:46:50.17\00:46:52.01
sometimes that stuff
comes... Satan takes that stuff
00:46:52.04\00:46:54.31
and he tries to use
that to manipulate us
00:46:54.34\00:46:56.11
and overwhelm us with guilt
00:46:56.14\00:46:57.51
and Job's friends
tried that, you know,
00:46:57.55\00:46:59.51
when Job was dealing
with His struggles...
00:46:59.55\00:47:01.48
one of them
said, "I had a dream...
00:47:01.52\00:47:02.92
oh Man! there were some
stuff that came up in that dream
00:47:02.95\00:47:04.92
and it's you... you're the... "
00:47:04.95\00:47:06.72
and so, Satan will come
in through those avenues
00:47:06.76\00:47:09.02
and try to
overwhelm us with these ideas
00:47:09.06\00:47:11.36
but what about the judgment?
When did the judgment start?
00:47:11.39\00:47:13.50
Have we been in the
judgment? Did it start?
00:47:13.56\00:47:15.60
How long ago did it start?
00:47:15.63\00:47:16.97
That's the
questions being asked there...
00:47:17.00\00:47:18.33
how long do you think the
judgment has been going on
00:47:18.37\00:47:20.57
and, you know,
00:47:20.64\00:47:23.17
has my life already been
examined and... and sealed?
00:47:23.20\00:47:25.91
Anyone wants to tackle that?
00:47:25.94\00:47:27.41
Bohr: Well, both the
Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy
00:47:27.44\00:47:31.48
indicate that the judgment
began on October 22, 1844.
00:47:31.51\00:47:34.82
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:47:34.88\00:47:36.38
Bohr: It began
with those who died
00:47:36.45\00:47:39.12
beginning with... in
chronological order...
00:47:39.15\00:47:42.62
beginning with Adam
00:47:42.66\00:47:44.26
and continuing
throughout the course of history
00:47:44.29\00:47:46.46
and it ends with the living.
00:47:46.49\00:47:47.83
The judgment of the
living has not taken place yet
00:47:47.86\00:47:51.33
because it's linked
with... with the Sunday Law
00:47:51.37\00:47:54.84
which exactly is going to divide
humanity into two groups...
00:47:54.87\00:47:57.87
those who have the Seal of God
00:47:57.91\00:47:59.71
and those who have
the Mark of the Beast.
00:47:59.74\00:48:02.44
So, basically, the
judgment began in 1844
00:48:02.48\00:48:05.11
it's ongoing... we have
the judgment of the dead
00:48:05.15\00:48:08.52
and it will soon...
Ellen White said in 1911,
00:48:08.58\00:48:11.85
will pass through the
living... no one knows when.
00:48:11.89\00:48:13.89
James: None know how soon.
00:48:13.92\00:48:15.32
Bohr: That's right, and
so, what is the bottom line?
00:48:15.36\00:48:18.06
The bottom line is... we
need to be ready all the time.
00:48:18.09\00:48:20.73
You know, we talk about
the close of probation...
00:48:20.80\00:48:23.70
we need to be ready for
the close of probation...
00:48:23.73\00:48:26.70
true... but if we die
00:48:26.74\00:48:28.70
before the close of
probation for the world,
00:48:28.74\00:48:31.44
the door of
probation is closed for us.
00:48:31.47\00:48:35.18
James: Yes.
00:48:35.21\00:48:36.54
Bohr: And so, we need
to be ready all the time...
00:48:36.58\00:48:38.35
every day... we need to
be walking with the Lord.
00:48:38.38\00:48:39.71
James: Hmmm...
00:48:39.75\00:48:41.08
CA Murray: You know,
I remember as a child,
00:48:41.12\00:48:42.85
I joined the church back
in the... the dark ages...
00:48:42.88\00:48:46.65
back in the 50s and 60s and 70s,
00:48:46.69\00:48:48.49
they usually try to
scare people and say,
00:48:48.52\00:48:50.63
"You never know when your
name is going to come... "
00:48:50.66\00:48:52.23
you know, "and... so
you got to... you got to...
00:48:52.29\00:48:53.93
you never know... your
name may be passed... "
00:48:53.96\00:48:55.50
they would... they would
really scare the stew out of us,
00:48:55.53\00:48:57.97
you know, because you didn't...
00:48:58.00\00:48:59.33
you have this uncertainty.
00:48:59.37\00:49:00.70
What is important is that I
live each day with Christ...
00:49:00.74\00:49:04.91
that I walk each
day with Christ...
00:49:04.94\00:49:07.01
that I surrender... that...
that I give my life to Christ.
00:49:07.04\00:49:10.18
Let... what's
going to happen in heaven
00:49:10.21\00:49:12.31
is going to happen in heaven...
00:49:12.35\00:49:13.68
what happens on earth
is in... in my control,
00:49:13.72\00:49:15.98
if I surrender with Him...
00:49:16.02\00:49:17.39
if I walk with
Him... if I pray to Him...
00:49:17.42\00:49:19.45
if I examine my life and
let Him live His life in me...
00:49:19.49\00:49:23.06
that's what I
can... can handle...
00:49:23.09\00:49:24.56
that's what I can deal
with and that's what...
00:49:24.59\00:49:26.19
is... is for me to do.
00:49:26.23\00:49:27.56
James: All right, so
the judgment began in 1844
00:49:27.60\00:49:29.40
according to
Daniel chapter 8 verse 14
00:49:29.43\00:49:32.13
and Revelation
chapters 10 and 11 verse 1,
00:49:32.17\00:49:34.80
and the judgment
began with the dead
00:49:34.84\00:49:37.44
and soon...
00:49:37.47\00:49:38.81
we don't know how soon
it's going to go to the living,
00:49:38.84\00:49:41.54
so, if you're alive...
your name has not come up...
00:49:41.58\00:49:44.38
your fate has not been decided
00:49:44.41\00:49:46.35
and you are open to
receive the grace of God
00:49:46.38\00:49:49.72
and to believe that He forgives
you and accepts you as His child
00:49:49.75\00:49:52.59
because whoever comes to Him,
00:49:52.62\00:49:54.12
He will in no
wise cast out, Eric.
00:49:54.16\00:49:56.32
Eric: Something
that I think is important
00:49:56.36\00:49:59.09
which all of us have
agreed on and... and shared,
00:49:59.13\00:50:02.30
God has not given
us the spirit of fear,
00:50:02.33\00:50:05.90
we cannot be scared
into going to heaven.
00:50:05.93\00:50:09.44
Sometimes God allows fearful
things to happen to wake us up
00:50:09.47\00:50:13.04
but He does not use
fear to drive us into heaven
00:50:13.07\00:50:16.95
because the fearful will have
their part in the lake of fire
00:50:16.98\00:50:19.71
Revelation says...
00:50:19.75\00:50:21.55
what we have to remember is...
is that all of our righteousness
00:50:21.58\00:50:26.35
that means... all of it...
00:50:26.42\00:50:28.09
every righteous
moment that we have ever had
00:50:28.12\00:50:31.39
is filthy
rags... menstrual cloth.
00:50:31.43\00:50:34.86
That's what the Bible says.
00:50:34.90\00:50:36.33
So, we are not
going to pass the judgment
00:50:36.36\00:50:41.40
by us having a good week.
00:50:41.44\00:50:43.54
Our being found
in Christ when...
00:50:43.57\00:50:49.54
when my name comes
up, if I am in Christ,
00:50:49.58\00:50:53.05
when the page is
turned to Eric Wilson,
00:50:53.08\00:50:56.55
there's a picture of Jesus.
00:50:56.58\00:50:57.92
I'm using His name and
He has given His life to me.
00:50:57.95\00:51:03.29
So, every moment that
I'm living 100% for Him...
00:51:03.32\00:51:08.76
that I'm consecrated to Him,
00:51:08.80\00:51:11.20
His life is mine.
00:51:11.23\00:51:13.40
So that takes the
pressure off of...
00:51:13.44\00:51:15.54
"I wonder if I
was good enough...
00:51:15.57\00:51:17.64
what if I... is God
going to cast me into hell
00:51:17.67\00:51:19.87
because, you know, today
I slipped and lost my temper
00:51:19.91\00:51:23.31
and boom! you know,
I lost everything...
00:51:23.35\00:51:26.21
all my righteousness is
not counted for anything now"
00:51:26.25\00:51:29.32
God is looking...
is our heart and life
00:51:29.35\00:51:31.95
committed and
consecrated to Him...
00:51:31.99\00:51:34.52
because if it is, His
life is reckoned as ours.
00:51:34.56\00:51:38.49
James: So, our
works don't save us...
00:51:38.53\00:51:39.89
our works testifies as to
whether or not we put our trust
00:51:39.93\00:51:42.73
in Christ... so
works are important
00:51:42.76\00:51:44.73
because they testify
that we have faith in Jesus
00:51:44.77\00:51:47.60
and then when our names come up,
00:51:47.64\00:51:48.97
Jesus is our
righteousness, is that... okay.
00:51:49.00\00:51:51.47
Eric: Our good works are
the fruit of God's Spirit
00:51:51.51\00:51:54.81
and His Son living inside of us.
00:51:54.84\00:51:57.01
James: Amen... Pastor.
00:51:57.05\00:51:58.55
Bohr: There's no greater fool
00:51:58.58\00:51:59.95
than one who tries to defend
himself in a Court of Law.
00:51:59.98\00:52:03.35
So, we'd better... we'd better
ask Jesus to be our Attorney
00:52:03.39\00:52:06.72
because He knows the
end from the beginning...
00:52:06.76\00:52:10.26
He knows all the ins and outs...
00:52:10.29\00:52:11.63
He knows all of the
arguments that He can use
00:52:11.66\00:52:14.50
against the adversary
00:52:14.53\00:52:15.86
so, the key is for us to have
Him as our Attorney or Advocate.
00:52:15.90\00:52:20.54
CA Murray: One quick
line, James if I may...
00:52:20.57\00:52:22.74
we're... we're in television...
00:52:22.77\00:52:25.54
God judges on the video...
00:52:25.57\00:52:30.18
we tend to judge
on the snapshot...
00:52:30.21\00:52:32.91
but God doesn't judge...
00:52:32.95\00:52:34.95
if you take a snapshot
of your life 40 years ago
00:52:34.98\00:52:37.89
and your life now...
00:52:37.92\00:52:39.25
they're...
they're vastly different
00:52:39.29\00:52:40.62
but there was a video between
40 years ago and today...
00:52:40.66\00:52:43.69
God's looking at
that video not just...
00:52:43.73\00:52:46.39
a snapshot is a frozen section
of your life at that point
00:52:46.43\00:52:49.26
that may not... that may
or may not be your whole life,
00:52:49.30\00:52:52.13
that may be just that point.
00:52:52.17\00:52:53.50
James: It's like being
taken out of context...
00:52:53.54\00:52:54.87
CA Murray: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:52:54.90\00:52:56.24
James: Satan is trying
to take us out of context.
00:52:56.27\00:52:57.61
CA Murray: Precisely,
he's taking out the snapshot...
00:52:57.64\00:52:58.97
"I saw you that night... "
00:52:59.01\00:53:00.34
"Well, it's true but
you took a snapshot...
00:53:00.38\00:53:02.18
look at the video...
look at the whole life... "
00:53:02.21\00:53:04.78
and praise God He judges us on
the video... not the snapshot.
00:53:04.81\00:53:08.75
Bohr: "And furthermore, the
person repented of the snapshot,
00:53:08.78\00:53:12.72
they were
sorry... they confessed
00:53:12.75\00:53:14.89
and they trusted in Me. "
00:53:14.92\00:53:16.49
James: That's the
rest of the video...
00:53:16.52\00:53:17.86
that's the rest
of the video, yeah.
00:53:17.89\00:53:19.23
James: All
right, "Why did Joseph
00:53:19.26\00:53:21.13
an Old-Testament type of Christ
00:53:21.16\00:53:23.13
marry a daughter of
the High Priest of On...
00:53:23.16\00:53:26.90
a pagan Egyptian deity
00:53:26.94\00:53:28.67
and why did Joseph also have
a silver cup of divination?"
00:53:28.70\00:53:31.37
That's a question
that's coming in to us
00:53:31.44\00:53:33.07
from a Professor at Leadership
at Andrews University.
00:53:33.11\00:53:37.71
Now, I'd like to
start that question off
00:53:37.78\00:53:40.08
if you don't
mind me doing that...
00:53:40.12\00:53:41.45
Joseph... a type of Christ
marrying a princess in Egypt,
00:53:41.48\00:53:45.79
you know, of the Priest of On.
00:53:45.82\00:53:47.62
When you look at
the lineage of Christ...
00:53:47.66\00:53:52.39
especially in
the book of Matthew,
00:53:52.43\00:53:54.23
you're going to find
some very questionable
00:53:54.26\00:53:57.63
dubious characters in there.
00:53:57.67\00:53:59.00
CA Murray: Skid marks in there.
00:53:59.03\00:54:00.37
James: Yeah, skid
marks... I like that...
00:54:00.40\00:54:02.34
when you... when you look at
the Old Testament book of Hosea,
00:54:02.37\00:54:05.21
you're going to find God
doing something very unusual
00:54:05.24\00:54:07.84
and Hosea was a
Hebrew word for Joshua
00:54:07.88\00:54:10.55
which is a... you
know, equivalent of Jesus...
00:54:10.58\00:54:13.01
marrying a prostitute...
00:54:13.08\00:54:14.95
marrying a harlot is what did...
00:54:14.98\00:54:17.65
why? A type of Christ reminds us
00:54:17.69\00:54:20.36
Joseph's story reminds us
00:54:20.39\00:54:22.09
that God is interested in
the salvation of the heathen.
00:54:22.12\00:54:25.73
God is interested in
connecting Himself...
00:54:25.76\00:54:28.46
you know, another question that
could be asked about this is,
00:54:28.50\00:54:31.07
"Why did God
send Joseph to Egypt
00:54:31.10\00:54:33.64
to help Pharaoh
interpret his dreams
00:54:33.67\00:54:36.20
and why did Joseph...
00:54:36.24\00:54:37.57
why was Joseph helping
this Egyptian pagan king
00:54:37.61\00:54:40.64
to store up food
to save all of Egypt?
00:54:40.68\00:54:42.54
Why didn't God just
let all of Egypt die?
00:54:42.61\00:54:44.35
They're all unbelievers anyway.
00:54:44.38\00:54:45.91
Because God is in the
business of saving people
00:54:45.95\00:54:48.18
and God wanted
Joseph's influence to be there
00:54:48.22\00:54:52.42
to be inclusive of...
to have him connect with
00:54:52.45\00:54:56.62
and have his
children connect with
00:54:56.66\00:54:58.53
and bring into God's kingdom
00:54:58.56\00:55:00.33
people from
those heathen nations
00:55:00.36\00:55:02.53
and if God's people would
have been on target every time,
00:55:02.56\00:55:05.37
they would have
always been doing this
00:55:05.40\00:55:07.94
in a way that
wasn't... like Solomon...
00:55:07.97\00:55:10.67
in a way that was
salvational to... to...
00:55:10.71\00:55:13.38
to these other nations.
00:55:13.41\00:55:14.81
Now, the cup of divination...
00:55:14.84\00:55:17.25
someone of you is going
to have to tackle that...
00:55:17.28\00:55:19.75
I brought the question up
00:55:19.81\00:55:21.15
and I've given a
good start to it...
00:55:21.18\00:55:22.88
does anyone else want to
touch on the cup of divination?
00:55:22.92\00:55:24.75
What was that all about?
00:55:24.79\00:55:26.25
Bohr: Well, maybe
Joseph didn't use the cup
00:55:26.29\00:55:28.96
the way the Egyptians did,
00:55:28.99\00:55:30.33
you know, there was
a Urim and a Thummim
00:55:30.36\00:55:31.69
and that... that was kind of
a strange way of God answering
00:55:31.73\00:55:36.60
so, you know,
00:55:36.63\00:55:37.97
we find, for example Daniel
and his friends in Babylon...
00:55:38.00\00:55:42.17
you know they did
not use the same methods
00:55:42.20\00:55:46.34
that the wise men and
the magicians of Babylon did.
00:55:46.37\00:55:51.28
So, I don't think we
have enough information
00:55:51.31\00:55:54.08
about the... the
woman that Joseph married
00:55:54.12\00:55:56.79
to know whether...
you know, maybe she was...
00:55:56.82\00:55:59.75
she did accept the
Lord... we don't know...
00:55:59.79\00:56:02.69
and as far as the
cup of divination,
00:56:02.72\00:56:05.59
well, maybe Joseph didn't use
it the way the Egyptians used it
00:56:05.63\00:56:08.73
maybe the Lord used that means.
00:56:08.76\00:56:10.50
James: Yeah, maybe
it was an excuse for him
00:56:10.53\00:56:12.20
to tell his brothers,
00:56:12.23\00:56:13.60
"Hey, I know what
you guys are up to,
00:56:13.64\00:56:14.97
I know what's going on here,
see my cup of divination...
00:56:15.00\00:56:16.91
that's what I use... "
00:56:16.94\00:56:18.41
but really, he
wasn't using that cup,
00:56:18.44\00:56:19.77
he was just trying
to get them to think
00:56:19.81\00:56:21.64
that he had
this... this... this power.
00:56:21.68\00:56:23.55
We've got about a minute left,
00:56:23.58\00:56:25.51
and I don't know
that we have enough time
00:56:25.58\00:56:27.98
to get into another question,
what do you guys think?
00:56:28.02\00:56:30.42
Should we wrap
it up there or...?
00:56:30.45\00:56:32.05
Bohr: Shoot and we will answer.
00:56:32.09\00:56:33.69
James: Okay,
let's shoot, all right,
00:56:33.72\00:56:35.06
"The Bible says in
Revelation 14 verse 12,
00:56:35.09\00:56:37.53
'Here is the
patience of the saints,
00:56:37.59\00:56:38.93
here are they that
keep the commandments of God
00:56:38.96\00:56:40.63
and the faith of Jesus... '
00:56:40.70\00:56:42.46
I noticed it
says, 'faith of Jesus'
00:56:42.50\00:56:45.27
and not 'faith in Jesus'
00:56:45.30\00:56:46.63
what does 'faith
of Jesus' mean? Eric.
00:56:46.67\00:56:50.97
Eric: If we have
the mind of Christ...
00:56:51.01\00:56:53.68
the Apostle Paul tells us that
Christ has been made unto us
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wisdom, and righteousness,
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and
sanctification, and redemption.
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James: First Corinthians 1.
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Eric: If he is in us, we
have His righteousness...
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we have His life...
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we have His faith
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so, having the faith of Jesus
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is how we keep the
commandments of God.
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He kept them, now He lives
His life in my mortal flesh...
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I keep them by faith in Him
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and He keeps them in
me through His faith.
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James: All right, so,
any other thoughts on that?
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We got 18 seconds left.
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Bohr: No pressure.
James: No pressure.
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Well, this has been fun...
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we had some good health talks...
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some good
theological questions...
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some good health
questions... some good answers
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and obviously we need more time
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because we've still
got a few questions left
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but we're going to
wrap it up right here,
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hope you enjoyed
spending the time with us...
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God bless.
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