Hello, and welcome to
Health for a Lifetime.
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I'm your host, Don Mackintosh.
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Today we're going to be talking
about a very important subject,
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heart disease, actually deadly
plaques that can build up in the
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heart, and how to reverse them.
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And talking with us today
about this important subject is
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Dr. Hans Diehl.
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Well, welcome.
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We're glad you're with us today.
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Thanks for making
the trip from Loma Linda.
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You've lived there for a
number of years and developed an
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exciting program called
The Coronary Health Improvement
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Project.
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It's a long word isn't it?
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Or the CHIP program.
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Much easier; CHIP.
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Yes, CHIP.
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So coronary, that's the
arteries, the coronary arteries
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of the heart.
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And you want to improve that.
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That's right.
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So, that's probably
related to this topic today:
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Reversing Deadly Plaques.
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Yep.
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You know, heart disease is
the number one killer in our
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society responsible
for every second death.
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A hundred years ago it was
difficult to find this disease.
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Coronary artery
disease was hardly known.
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They couldn't find it.
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Today it's the number one
killer disease in our society.
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And yet, people have the idea
that with heart disease there
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must be something
wrong with the heart muscle.
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And they often fail to
understand, as you see on this
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graphic here, that it's the
arteries, the coronary arteries,
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that are the pipes that are
supposed to bring oxygenated
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blood to the heart muscle.
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They become corroded;
they become narrowed down.
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I have a roll-in that
might perhaps illustrate this
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a bit better.
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Do you want to
take a look at it?
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Sure, we can look at that
and see what happens here.
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It showed up, so to speak, when
I was working on the anesthesia
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service, learning how
to put people to sleep.
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I was seeing my patients
for the next days surgery,
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for coronary artery bypass
surgery, in order to bypass
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clogged arteries in their heart.
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Because it was late at night,
I drew the man's blood test,
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and when I took the blood to the
laboratory and had it processed,
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I couldn't believe my eyes.
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Now, normally this liquid layer
floating on top of the blood
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clot is quite transparent.
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It's yellow, but quite clear;
you can see right through it.
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The blood in this
patient's tube, however,
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was anything but clear.
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The serum floating on his
clot was thick and greasy white.
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It looked like glue.
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In fact it stuck to the sides
of the blood tube when I shook
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the tube.
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I went back to the patient.
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I said, "Mr. Phillips, did
you eat before you came to the
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hospital tonight?"
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He said, "Yes. "
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I said, "What did you have?"
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He said, "I had a
cheeseburger and a milkshake. "
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And when he said that, I
realized that what I was looking
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at in his tube was all
the fat in the beef burger,
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all the butterfat in the
cheese, and the butterfat in the
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ice cream, and in the milkshake.
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And all this fat had oozed
out into his blood and actually
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turned his blood fatty.
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Well, 30, 40, 50 years of
keeping your blood very fatty
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creates changes in the blood
vessels that are very dangerous.
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Over the years
arteries can become clogged
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with fatty material.
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Then a blood clot
can form, blocking the
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blood flow completely.
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If the artery leads to the
heart, the lack of oxygen can
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cause heart muscle to die.
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That's a heart attack.
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If the clogged
artery leads to the brain,
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the patient has a stroke.
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The next morning we took
Mr. Phillips to the operating
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room, and I put him
to sleep, and the surgeon
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opened up his chest.
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And from these arteries
he began pulling out yellow,
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greasy deposits of fatty
material called Atherosclerosis.
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Can just thirty days bring a
drastic change for the better in
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your health?
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Wow!
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So in that surgery they
were actually pulling out
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these Atherosclerosis.
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Someone told me that
Atherosclerosis means
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hard and soft.
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Those must have been the
more soft deposits they were
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pulling out there.
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Yeah, this is what narrows
the diameter of the artery
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so you don't bring enough
nutrients with the blood to the
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heart muscle, and to
other parts of the body.
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So, heart attacks come
from this, all kinds of things,
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because wherever the circulation
goes, if it cuts off and
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you get a stroke.
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And I suppose if it cuts off
the supply to the reproductive
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organs you're impotent.
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So these are things that
we don't want to take lightly.
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No, as a matter of fact, you
can also have hearing and vision
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impairment because you
don't bring enough oxygenated
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blood and
nutrients to these organs.
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Or senility: part of the memory
loss is directly associated to
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the vessels, the arteries to the
brain, no longer being able to
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bring adequate
oxygen to the areas.
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It's a very,
very deadly situation.
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Well, with these heart attacks,
you know it said that you
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looked at that blood tube,
and there was the fat from the
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beef and all
those different things,
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the blood fat was increased.
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I often saw a lot of heart
attacks in the morning in the
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emergency room, right after that
big, huge, fat laden breakfast.
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Is this the reason
I was seeing those?
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Probably true.
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Okay.
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So this is a
process that begins when?
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You know, people thought it
happens when you're 60 or 70.
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They thought, well, you
know, I can make some lifestyle
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changes when I'm
getting close to that age.
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Now we can realize that
this is happening to teenagers.
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Take a look at that next slide.
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You see the progression there.
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We're born with thin arteries.
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By the time we're at 20
years of age we already have 20%
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narrowing of the
coronary arteries.
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By the time you're 45 to 50
years half of the diameter is
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already taken up by
these plaques, and look, at 70
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you're just barely making it.
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So this is something that
we really need to be concerned
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about when we're born.
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But we're not able to
think about it when we're born,
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so our parents need to be
feeding us the right things.
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Yeah, we cannot
start early enough, can we?
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Okay, so what is
it then that happens?
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What does this cause?
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We've seen it's caused
this, but what is the process?
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How do we have
that heart attack?
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People have said,
"He was so healthy!"
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But then he had that big one.
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What happens?
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How could it
have happened, right?
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Right.
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I mean he looked so good.
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I've heard that many times.
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A random act.
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Oh no.
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Let's take a
look at the next one.
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Here you see what the arteries
are not supposed to look like.
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You see the narrowing there?
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This is the plaque buildup
in this particular area there.
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You see the yellow material?
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This is the cholesterol and
the fat buildup that you saw
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on the roll-in.
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But you see here, if that small
pathway gets obstructed with
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a blood clot, it interrupts the
blood flow to the heart muscle,
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and that's what we
call an infarction.
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That's a heart attack.
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That's usually a
life threatening event.
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Now you know, I used to work in
different parts of the hospital,
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and I saw someone that was as
young as 14 have a heart attack.
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So it's not just for
someone that's 20, 30, 40.
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It can even hit in the teens.
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Is this something that
is happening more as obesity
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goes up in America?
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Are more and more young
people having heart attacks?
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Yes, we are seeing younger
people at higher risk now
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than perhaps 20 or 30 years ago.
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It has to do with
this special risk arch.
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And that risk arch, from that
frame we are studying, you see
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certain risk factors identified.
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Take a look here.
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These are largely under the
control of our diet; how we eat.
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You see the cholesterol as the
most powerful one, followed by
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smoking and high blood pressure;
those deadly three up there.
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Why are they different colors?
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Well, the red is
usually diet related.
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Okay.
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The orange is a
lifestyle related type of thing.
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When you go to the left you see
the diabetes, you see obesity;
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both diet related.
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And on the right hand side you
go down to the triglycerides,
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these blood fats, and then you
have inactive life and stress.
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What about age,
genes, and gender?
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You have those in green.
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What does that mean?
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They are also contributing
to this disease process,
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but there is not really much you
can do about changing your age
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or your gender.
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Well, if you're
thinking about doing that,
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it probably won't help.
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Right?
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It doesn't help in terms of
your coronary artery disease.
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Okay, so these in the red boxes
there: diabetes, hypertension,
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cholesterol, triglycerides,
obesity; those are all things
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that we can do something about.
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Yes, especially as
related to our diet.
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You can also do
something about the exercise.
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You can do something
about handling your stress
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more appropriately.
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And you can do
something about your smoking.
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But the red boxes, you
are right, this is something
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where we can make a significant
difference because of what we
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put between our lips: food.
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And we don't
have to smoke either.
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We don't have to
smoke either, that's right.
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Alright, so we get this, you
said, from the Framingham study.
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What do you mean?
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That's sort of the ultimate,
gold standard study that
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has been going
on for fifty years.
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It identified that
these factors are driving this
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disease; atherosclerosis,
the narrowing of the arteries.
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And what's very, very
interesting is that we began to
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understand, after World War II,
that these plaques can actually
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be reversing themselves.
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You don't have to
have this disease.
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If you have 50-60% there's every
good reason you can regress.
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So how did World War II
help us understand this?
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Well, when the Nazi tanks
crossed the Polish boundary
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people found
themselves, millions of people,
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thrown into a
massive dietary experiment.
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You see, the Nazi army took all
the food stuffs of the occupied
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country to feed their troops.
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So these people now had to
live on very, very simple foods.
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They had to grow their own
food in their own back yards.
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And as this happened, within a
year to two years, you could see
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a dramatic
decline... in heart disease,
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in diabetes, in high blood
pressure, and in cancer rates.
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I think you have a graphic on
this that shows that actually.
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I do.
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Here you see it in short order.
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On the left hand side
you see the number of deaths
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from coronary disease.
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Then you move from 1936 through
1939; World War II begins,
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and within a year you can see
a dramatic decline in the number
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of coronary
deaths per 10,000 people.
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And this is because the
Germans took all the bad food,
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and all they had
left was good food.
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Well, we didn't know at
the time it was bad food.
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What they basically did
was they took all the livestock
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to feed their armies.
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We have begun to understand
now, a little bit more,
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that when you have livestock you
have a diet that is very high in
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animal fat; cholesterol.
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So these are
contributing to the disease.
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If you have less of this,
apparently from World War II
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we learned for the first
time, that you can actually
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decrease these diseases.
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So they saw this
across the board.
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This got the
attention of the researchers.
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Yeah, they were actually amazed.
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Uh huh.
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And you see, then they follow
it up and they say now if this
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is really related to diet, what
would happen as the countries
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begin to get back on their feet
again, and over time adopt their
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previously fairly rich diet?
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What would happen to the low
disease rates for heart disease,
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diabetes and so on?
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And that's what they did.
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Taking a look back at this
previous graphic, he could see
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again what
happens: World War II...
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a, it goes down.
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...it goes down, then it
flattens out, and it stays there
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for about twenty
years- just about.
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And then what happens?
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It goes up again.
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Is that when they
said, what was it, FDR,
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or someone said, "A
chicken in every pot"?
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You're probably right.
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So when the chickens came
back, and the piggy's came home,
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so did the heart disease.
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That's right!
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You know, there was
a professor in Belgium.
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He was very famous.
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He was a
pathologist: Professor Paccar.
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Everybody wanted to study
with this famous pathologist.
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He was the first one to observe,
as he was doing autopsies,
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that the arteries,
towards the end of World War II,
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were much cleaner.
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They were wider.
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They were more open.
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He said, "Isn't that amazing?"
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World War II with all
of the stress, and anxiety,
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actually did not cause
more narrowing of these
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disease processes.
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Then they said he was mumbling
to himself in 1950-55-1960's.
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Students were telling me
actually, later on, that he was
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mumbling under his
breath, "They're coming back.
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They're coming back!"
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They're coming back.
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Then finally one of the more
courageous pathology residents
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approached this famous professor
and said, "Now Professor Paccar,
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what is coming back?"
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"What is coming back?"
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He said, "Of
course, the plaques... "
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"... are coming back. "
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...You know, the
narrowing of the arteries.
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So, it's interesting that what
we are taught something about,
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you can diminish, and
you can actually, later on,
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increase these plaques.
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Well, I guess there is
some benefit that came out of
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World War II.
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Well, we've been
talking with Dr. Hans Diehl.
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We're talking about coronary
artery disease, deadly plaques
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and we've got some good news.
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We learned from World War
II that these plaques can be
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stopped, and
even perhaps reversed.
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We're going to look
at some exciting studies
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when we come back.
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Are you confused about
the endless stream of new,
00:14:32.87\00:14:35.57
and often contradictory,
health information,
00:14:35.60\00:14:38.28
with companies trying to sell
new drugs, and special interest
00:14:38.31\00:14:41.67
groups paying for
studies that spin the facts?
00:14:41.70\00:14:44.09
Where can you find a
common sense approach to health?
00:14:44.12\00:14:47.29
One way is to ask
for your free copy of...
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Welcome back.
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We've been talking
with Dr. Hans Diehl.
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We've been talking about heart
disease, and deadly plaques.
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And we've been talking
about the fact that they can
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actually be reversed.
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Dr. Diehl this was good
news coming out of World War II.
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These risk factors were, first
of all, kind of beginning to
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percolate in the
minds of scientists,
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like that pathologist, and we
saw that people's heart disease
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actually came to a
stop from 1939 to the 40's
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and into the 50's.
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And then came back.
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And then came back
when the piggy's came back.
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Or when all of the meat
products, and all of the
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dairy products, the things that
were not abundant during the
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war, came back.
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You know it created a
lot of new research models.
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They wondered, could we take
human beings, feed them a very
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rich diet, then after
fifty years we ask these people,
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"Would you please surrender your
bodies now so they can do the
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autopsies, and then we will
know for sure what's happening?"
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You know they thought
about this and they said, "Well,
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we probably won't find too many
volunteers for this experiment.
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So they began to think about
other models, and they looked
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at monkey studies.
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So they looked at Rhesus
monkeys, baboons, and said
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baboons and monkeys
are somewhat, in many ways,
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somewhat similar to the
human anatomy and physiology.
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Maybe we can learn something
from these experiments.
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And here's what they did:
they took these innocent looking
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monkeys and forced them to
eat a typical Western diet;
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rich diet.
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I'm sure the monkeys
didn't appreciate it.
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Well, they actually put the
cholesterol into the bottle of
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the usual drink
that monkeys can live on.
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They were actually fed
these diets through bottles.
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I see.
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These were young Rhesus monkeys,
not with larger specimens.
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The one thing that is really
standing out in my mind is
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as the data came out,
more, and more, and more,
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that if you feed animals,
especially monkeys, a rich diet,
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they will always have
heart disease coming up.
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They did this
experiment in Chicago.
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They took a typical
university hospital diet...
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A hospital diet?
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Well, that's
hitting it close to home.
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That's right.
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And then they had these baboons,
and they fed this typical
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hospital diet to these baboons,
and within nineteen months
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the baboons had died
of massive heart attacks.
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Um, better stay
out of the hospital.
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Well, don't stay
more than nineteen months.
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That's right!
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Man, so just this
typical hospital diet...
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Well, you know, it's just
kind of a basically rich diet
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that is not in the
best interest of people.
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So then they ask the question,
now what would happen if we took
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a colony of experimental
monkeys, and we fed them
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different kinds of diets, and
we create this atherosclerotic
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plaque in the arteries.
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Then we give them
different diets once they have
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about 80% narrowing.
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We give them a very simple diet.
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Okay.
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We would give them a diet that
was perhaps found in developing
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countries-like a lot of
potatoes, and grains, and beans,
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fruits and
vegetables-simple foods.
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What would
happen to these monkeys?
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When they did
that, then what happened?
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Well, they were
absolutely astounded.
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Within two years they found
that instead of there being 80%
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narrowing, they actually
have opened up 40%, 30%, and 20%
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just in two years.
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So the good news is
you can turn it off.
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You can reverse this disease,
which is at the very basis
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of most of our health
problems in America today,
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as far as chronic disease goes.
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Now you have a program, called
the CHIP program, that covers
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all of these kinds of studies,
and helps people see exactly
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what you're describing to us.
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But, under girding that, there
were studies by a couple of
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of other doctors, I think,
you're going to share with us.
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Yeah, there were quite a few
researchers in the last thirty
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years that have demonstrated,
very successfully, that what
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happens to monkeys and baboons
can also happen to human beings.
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It started some time ago
with a man by the name of
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Nathan Pritican.
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Okay.
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He was able to give people a
very simple diet, even though
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they had heart
disease, and had tremendous,
00:20:03.00\00:20:05.19
tremendous improvements.
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But we never knew.
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Did it really open up these
arteries, or did these people
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just feel better?
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Yes, they had less cholesterol,
they had less weight, they had
00:20:13.11\00:20:16.68
less diabetes, but can you
really open up these arteries
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which often times; you
know this plaque is like...
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So you had to take a picture of
those to get someone to do that.
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Yes, and in those days we didn't
have the technology in place.
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Then along came a young
cardiologist by the name of
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Dr. Dean Hornish.
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He took the Pritican
concept of a very simple diet,
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and added stress
management to it.
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And then he took some fifty
patients with heart disease,
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and divided them
up into two groups.
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One group would receive
the typical American Heart
00:20:51.50\00:20:54.14
Association diet.
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The other one
received a very simple diet-
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basically a vegetarian diet-
foods as grown, very low in fat,
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very low in salt.
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I mean it's a
very, very simple diet.
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And here you see his picture.
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Um, okay.
00:21:08.25\00:21:09.22
You can see the man
that, apparently, is shaking up
00:21:09.23\00:21:11.67
American medicine, because
he basically challenged the idea
00:21:11.70\00:21:15.58
that maybe we don't need
so many bypass surgeries.
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We don't need that
many angioplasties.
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You know, maybe we can just
tell people to make some simple
00:21:23.10\00:21:26.56
dietary changes, and you
can accomplish the same thing
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without all the risk of surgery.
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So what happened?
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Well, in one year of following
a very simple dietary program,
00:21:33.14\00:21:39.92
plus exercise and stress
management, he found that
00:21:39.95\00:21:43.15
the arteries had opened
up again, and some 80% of
00:21:43.18\00:21:47.72
these people no longer had
chest pain in their arteries
00:21:47.75\00:21:49.69
within weeks.
00:21:49.72\00:21:51.37
And they documented
that as well with pictures.
00:21:51.40\00:21:54.38
Special angiographic pictures.
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You could actually see how the
arteries began to shrink down,
00:21:57.88\00:22:01.92
opening up again so that more
blood could flow to the heart
00:22:01.95\00:22:04.93
muscle, and thus you can
alleviate the chest pain.
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This basically is what happens
in the CHIP program as well.
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That's a documentation
of what your programs do.
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What is it, about 40,000,
50,000 people now that have gone
00:22:14.59\00:22:17.96
through those;
communities across the nation?
00:22:17.99\00:22:21.01
You have a web page
called CHIP health. com,
00:22:21.04\00:22:25.90
and on that web page you
can learn more about this if you
00:22:25.93\00:22:29.27
have an interest.
00:22:29.30\00:22:30.38
And many people
are having an interest.
00:22:30.41\00:22:32.36
In fact there are some states
here in America that the entire
00:22:32.39\00:22:35.52
state is looking into
adopting this program, I hear.
00:22:35.55\00:22:38.50
The studies that Ornish did,
and another one you're going to
00:22:38.53\00:22:43.10
share with us, kind of
under gird what you're doing,
00:22:43.13\00:22:45.55
but you also have five or
six studies now that are done
00:22:45.58\00:22:48.38
right on the CHIP program.
00:22:48.41\00:22:49.55
Isn't that right?
00:22:49.58\00:22:50.55
Yeah, our results have
been validated consistently by
00:22:50.56\00:22:55.72
measuring the changes in
cholesterol, the changes in
00:22:55.75\00:23:00.00
weight, in the rate of
diabetes, and in hypertension.
00:23:00.03\00:23:05.89
You know this is all
very, very well documented.
00:23:05.92\00:23:07.72
We're very excited about it, and
we assume that if we had some
00:23:07.75\00:23:12.72
very special testing done
that we probably could show,
00:23:12.75\00:23:17.45
within a years time,
what Dr. Ornish showed;
00:23:17.48\00:23:20.18
that you can actually
open up these arteries again.
00:23:20.21\00:23:22.34
And one of the reasons for
that is because there's another
00:23:22.37\00:23:25.16
doctor that's kind of done that.
00:23:25.19\00:23:26.51
I think you're going to
talk with us about him now.
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Yeah, as a matter of fact,
we have a picture of him there.
00:23:29.13\00:23:32.04
Here's Dr. Esselstyne.
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Dr. Esselstyne has been involved
in a major study at the famous
00:23:34.44\00:23:39.86
Cleveland Clinic.
00:23:39.89\00:23:40.97
What he did, he took a patient
with heart disease and he said,
00:23:41.00\00:23:43.85
because we can no
longer operate on you,
00:23:43.88\00:23:47.51
(there were certain limitations
to doing bypass surgeries on
00:23:47.54\00:23:52.48
these patients), why
don't you come into my program,
00:23:52.51\00:23:55.81
and I put you on a
very, very simple diet
00:23:55.84\00:23:57.67
similar to Dr. Ornish's?
00:23:57.70\00:23:58.69
Now what he did
differently was he did introduce
00:23:58.72\00:24:01.64
stress management, and he didn't
have them walking as such.
00:24:01.67\00:24:06.20
He just said, "I want you to
really bring your cholesterol
00:24:06.23\00:24:09.12
down by eating a
very simple diet. "
00:24:09.15\00:24:10.99
Because his idea was if I get
the cholesterol down to 150-160,
00:24:11.02\00:24:14.15
160, 150, that's the
same as about 4.0 in Canada.
00:24:14.18\00:24:19.79
If we can bring this down
with diet alone, we can probably
00:24:19.82\00:24:24.92
demonstrate that diet
is a very powerful factor.
00:24:24.95\00:24:28.25
And that's exactly what he did.
00:24:28.28\00:24:29.70
On the next graphic you
see the actual regression
00:24:29.73\00:24:34.09
of this disease.
00:24:34.12\00:24:35.09
On the left side,
on the very left side,
00:24:35.11\00:24:36.94
you see the narrowed
artery, at the top left there.
00:24:36.97\00:24:40.37
See the narrowing there?
00:24:40.40\00:24:41.78
Yeah, and then I see that
black line on the right side.
00:24:41.81\00:24:44.15
Is that where it was before?
00:24:44.18\00:24:45.41
That's where it is.
00:24:45.44\00:24:46.41
And then you see it
on the right hand side?
00:24:46.42\00:24:47.93
You see it wide open there.
00:24:47.96\00:24:49.86
This is a 30% regression
in the right coronary artery
00:24:49.89\00:24:54.28
in a 50-54 year old man.
00:24:54.31\00:24:55.94
Now he has not just
done this in one patient.
00:24:55.97\00:24:59.15
He has now a number of patients
that he has followed for over
00:24:59.18\00:25:04.76
12, it's actually 18
years now, and the results
00:25:04.79\00:25:08.46
are absolutely tantalizing.
00:25:08.49\00:25:10.23
Uh hum, so in other
words, when we say regression,
00:25:10.26\00:25:12.95
it just opens up.
00:25:12.98\00:25:14.35
It opens up.
00:25:14.38\00:25:16.20
And that happens consistently
if you get the cholesterol
00:25:16.23\00:25:19.86
below 150.
00:25:19.89\00:25:20.98
That's correct.
00:25:21.01\00:25:21.98
He did this mainly
with diet, and if necessary
00:25:21.99\00:25:24.58
with some medication.
00:25:24.61\00:25:25.89
You see, it's not just the
artery opening up to the heart
00:25:25.92\00:25:30.46
muscle, the coronary
arteries, which would help with
00:25:30.49\00:25:34.76
heart disease, but you're
talking about all of the major
00:25:34.79\00:25:38.25
arteries in the body
that begin to open up.
00:25:38.28\00:25:40.77
So you have less to
worry about impotence.
00:25:40.80\00:25:43.92
Uh huh.
00:25:43.95\00:25:45.50
You have less to worry
about gangrene in diabetics,
00:25:45.53\00:25:48.19
which often
leads to amputations.
00:25:48.22\00:25:50.47
You have less to worry about
the possibility of narrowed
00:25:50.50\00:25:53.76
arteries to the brain,
and strokes, hearing loss,
00:25:53.79\00:25:58.41
and vision loss.
00:25:58.44\00:25:59.41
This is big time!
00:25:59.44\00:26:01.34
So these physicians have
done this elegant research
00:26:01.37\00:26:05.70
that's generally documenting
something that common sense
00:26:05.73\00:26:09.12
pretty much tells people.
00:26:09.15\00:26:11.33
You always hear: eat your
vegetables, eat your fruits,
00:26:11.36\00:26:14.90
get away from those things
that are not good for you.
00:26:14.93\00:26:16.87
And what you do in the CHIP
program is really help people
00:26:16.90\00:26:19.36
know how to do this.
00:26:19.39\00:26:20.82
Yeah, but you know, that which
is common sense is often times
00:26:20.85\00:26:25.37
not very commonly done.
00:26:25.40\00:26:26.65
Uh huh.
00:26:26.68\00:26:27.65
So we're trying to bring
the scientific data from studies
00:26:27.66\00:26:33.57
around the world, to come
into a program of forty hours
00:26:33.60\00:26:37.35
of instruction, so
people can make wiser choices,
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better choices, adopting a
simpler diet, a better diet,
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do something about their
exercise, do something about
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their stress, and perhaps
begin to recognize that we are
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"wonderfully and
fearfully made. "
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Well, I mean, that's
kind of the bottom line.
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Ultimately science has just
really a documentation of what
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God has set in place.
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Am I right, or am I wrong?
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And this really shows the
power of God's plan for man.
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That's absolutely right.
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We have the responsibility, we
have an opportunity to be good
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stewards of that which was
entrusted to us, the ultimate
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engineering
marvel; the human body.
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Now think about it; 60,000
miles of circulatory system!
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Perfect health depends
largely on perfect circulation,
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and we can change that by
adopting a simple lifestyle.
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Thank you so much for
being with us Dr. Diehl,
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and thank you for
being with us today as well.
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If you want more information
go to www. chip health. org.
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We're glad that you've been with
us today, and we hope that you
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can put these principles
into practice, and as a result
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have health that lasts, not just
for now, but for a lifetime.
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