Hello, and welcome to
Health for a Lifetime.
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I'm your host Don Mackintosh.
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Today we are going to be
talking about deadly plaques.
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This has something to
do with heart disease.
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Talking with us
today is Dr. Hans Diehl.
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He is from Loma
Linda, California
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He is a
cardiovascular epidemiologist.
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He is the founder and originator
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of the Coronary
Health Improvement Project.
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Welcome, we're glad
you're with us today.
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Glad to see you again, Don.
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The CHIP program, I'm
kind of emotionally attached
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to this program as
well, aside from hosting here.
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I've been a pastor in a
local church in Wichita, Kansas
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for the last 13 years, we've
actually done 16 programs now.
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I just want to thank
you for that program.
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It's turned the health around
of my congregation and also
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about a thousand
people in my city.
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I'm so glad that you
embrace these concepts.
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Today we are talking
about deadly plaques.
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What are you getting
at here, deadly plaques?
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Well, we want to talk
about the number one killer
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in our society today,
which is heart disease.
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It is responsible for every
second death in our society.
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People wonder
why am I getting it?
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Why is it hitting me?
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It's just like a bolt of
lightning out of a blue sky.
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It really isn't.
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I want to talk
about heart disease
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and the underlying
disease process-deadly plaques.
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Where do these
plaques come from?
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What are we
really talking about?
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We're talking about the heart
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For instance, as you
look at this heart here,
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there is usually nothing
wrong with the heart itself.
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But the coronary arteries,
you see those arteries,
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these are the pipes
that are being obstructed.
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They're narrowed down
with a plaque build-up.
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I want to show you a roll-in
that will illustrate the kind of
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cause of heart disease
these deadly plaques create.
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Let's take a look.
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...woke up so to speak when
I was working on the anesthesia
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service learning how
to put people to sleep.
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I was seeing my patients
for the next day's surgery
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for coronary artery bypass
surgery in order to bypass
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clogged arteries in their heart.
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Because it was late at night
I drew the man's blood test
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and when I took the blood to the
laboratory and had it processed,
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I couldn't believe my eyes.
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Normally, this
liquid layer floating on top
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of the blood clot
is quite transparent.
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It's yellow but quite clear.
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You can see right through it.
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The blood in this patient's tube
however, was anything but clear.
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The serum floating on his
clot was thick and greasy white.
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It looked like glue, in
fact, it stuck to the sides
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of the blood tube
when I shook the tube.
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I went back to the patient.
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I said, Mr. Phillips did you eat
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before you came to
the hospital tonight?
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He said, Yes.
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I said, What did you have?
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He said, I had a
cheeseburger and a milkshake.
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When he said that I realized
that what I was looking at
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in his tube was all
the fat in the beef burger,
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all the butter fat in
the cheese and the butter fat
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in the ice cream
and in the milkshake.
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All this fat had oozed out into
his blood and actually turned
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his blood fatty.
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Well, 30, 40, 50 years of
keeping your blood very fatty
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creates changes in the blood
vessels that are very dangerous.
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Over the years
arteries can become clogged
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with fatty material.
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Then a blood clot can
form blocking the blood flow
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completely.
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If the artery leads to
the heart, the lack of oxygen
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can cause heart muscle to
die, that's a heart attack.
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If the clogged artery
leads to the brain, the patient
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has a stroke.
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The next morning we
took Mr. Phillips to the
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operating room and I put
him to sleep and the surgeon
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opened up his chest.
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From these arteries he
began pulling out yellow greasy
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deposits of fatty
material called atherosclerosis.
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Can just 30 days bring a
drastic change for the better
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in your health?
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That is incredible!
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You know the first time I
saw that clip in the first
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CHIP program that we
did, I couldn't believe it
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and every single time
I see it since that time,
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it still is quite shocking.
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All that stuff can build
up, and he said that's the fat
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in the cheeseburger and
all the different things
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that we are eating.
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- Every time I see it, it really
brings home a message too,
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and that is what
surgeons see every day who do
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bypass surgeries.
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These are the kind of
things that cause obstruction
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and narrowing and
hardening of the arteries,
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and that's of course what
we call atherolosclerosis,
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or hardening of the arteries.
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- So when does this start,
I mean, I don't have worry
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about this until 40 or 50?
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- Well that's what we thought,
but we know differently now.
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When it comes to Chinese
peasants, they have to worry
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about them when
they are about 80.
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- When they are 80. - Maybe 70!
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- So I need to move
to China. - That's right!
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- So the Chinese, they don't
struggle from this as much,
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but when does
this process start?
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- This is basically a Western
disease, and we find this today
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in young people by the
time they are teenagers
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when some young people have
been killed in car accidents,
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autopsies are being
done. It's absolutely shocking!
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You see about 20% narrowing,
look at the next roll in here:
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You can see a graphic, by
the time you are 20 years of age
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you already have
20- 25% narrowing.
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By the time you are 45
years of age, you have more like
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50% narrowing, by the
time you are 70 years of age
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there is hardly anything left.
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- Wow, so I am right in between
the 20 and the 45 there so I
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am right in the middle.
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But that's a serious thing,
so what does this lead to?
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What does this cause?
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- It's a very very serious
thing because this is the
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underlying disease process
that leads to heart attacks,
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to angina pectoris affecting
the heart, it can lead to
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the narrowing of the
arteries to the ear, so you have
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hearing loss, visual loss,
memory loss, it can lead to
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strokes, it can lead
to gangrene, impotence.
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These are all problems
that are actually related to
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this underlying disease process
called atherolosclerosis,
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that's what you saw there.
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- So it's not something to
take lightly, we have to really
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take it seriously.
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- Yes, we do, we do.
You know these plaques,
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and they come in two different
forms as you see on the
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next one, on the left side
on the plaque you begin to see
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a plaque that begins to increase
to about 50, 60, 70, 80%.
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By the time it is 80% narrowing
the coronary diameter of the
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artery, that's when you
developed the first sign of
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often what we
call angina chest pain.
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- Ok! - So this is a very common
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plaque that grows
in American arteries,
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but there is another kind
and that's the next one here
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and this one is not quite
as extensive, you can see...
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- It's a smaller
on the side there.
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- Yeah, that's right, you
can see on the left side there
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it's smaller but
it's much more devastating
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because this is what
we call a soft plaque.
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It's a vulnerable plaque,
it's squishy, and it is filled
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with cholesterol on the
inside and that can much easier,
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what shall we say, break open.
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When it breaks open, on the
right hand side you'll see this
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formation there of blood
clot, when that opens up,
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when that breaks it is usually
quite often fatal consequence,
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so that is responsible for
90% of all the heart attacks.
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So the second kind of plaque
that you saw is responsible
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for heart attacks, the
first one for angina pectoris.
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- So the first one we saw
filled up most of the artery
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that's the one where when
we looked at the other graphic,
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it wasn't the person at
birth or at 20 or 45 but it was
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when they were very old.
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- Correct! - And
that is kind of more
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stable and it's kind of
calcified, it's kind of hard,
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but the young ones, the
little baby ones that we have to
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worry about and so
it's probably more dangerous
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for someone younger.
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- Yeah! These are the vulnerable
plaques and often times
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they don't even show up
on our x-rays on angiograms.
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These are very vulnerable, like
you said, they are baby plaques
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but they can break very easily,
it depends on the amount of fat
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and cholesterol and the inside,
that is why it is so important
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to bring the cholesterol
level down in your blood stream,
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because it also brings down the
cholesterol inside the plaques.
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- We hear a lot about
this, it's on cereal boxes,
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it's on the news, all different
types of things, but it seems
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like especially in
America where I live,
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everyone knows about it but
they don't do to much about it.
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- Yeah its tragic, we
could avoid these plaques,
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we could postpone them to be
sure, we can even reverse them
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but we haven't always know
this, it took about 30 years
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to do this large Framingham
Study and here you see
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there is over 1,000
research papers published,
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it took the
government about $43 million.
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What they really found is that
this disease doesn't just strike
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blindly but there are
certain risk factors, the factor
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characteristics that we have
that place us at a higher risk
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for this disease.
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- So what are some of those
risk factors and how do they
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discover them?
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- Well they observed a whole
town near Boston for 50 years
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actually and they
began to count the deaths,
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they began to count the heart
attacks, then they tried to
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correlate this with
certain characteristics,
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and this is what
they found, take a look.
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You see this risk arch, and
you look at the red and orange
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colored risk factors.
- Obesity and diabetes.
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- That's right! That
is smoking, cholesterol,
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high blood pressure,
triglycerides, inactive
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life style, and stress.
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These are factors that we
can change but many of us don't,
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if you go back to this
arch you will notice here again
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that the closer these factors
are to the center the more
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powerful they are in
driving this disease.
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- Ok, so
cholesterol is the big thing.
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- Cholesterol is the big
thing followed by smoking and
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triglycerides, so these are
the big things, if you go back
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one more time to the risk
factors you will see something
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very interesting.
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In addition, most of
these factors are under control
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of our lips. - Our
lifestyle, in other words
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what we can do something about.
- Take a look, cholesterol is
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largely determined by what
we eat, high blood pressure,
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largely
determined by what we eat.
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Triglycerides, diabetes,
obesity, so our food supply
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is playing a major role
in this kind of a disease
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which is largely found
in western society only.
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- Ok, so this is probably your
life work, I know it is because
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we have seen in the Chip program
that this is really what you
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focus on, helping people
understand this risk arch
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and focus on, helping
people understand this risk arch
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then recognizing that
they have some responsibility
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- Yeah, actually
opportunity don't they.
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But you know when you
look at the next graphic
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you see on the left hand side,
those people who have a high
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cholesterol, take a
look, that are suffering from
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high blood pressure, they are
smokers, diabetes, and they have
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a positive general test.
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These people in the red column
they have 140 times higher
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risk on the next one, as
the one in the green column.
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I mean you can determine
your chance of a heart attack
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in this extreme illustration
by 140 times higher likelihood
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by making some
simple lifestyle changes.
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- So in other words if you
get your cholesterol down on the
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one side it said it was 310,
you get it down to 150 or below.
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- Right! - And
that decreases your risk
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- Dramatically! - 140% you say.
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- Well, - Or 100 times.
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- Well if you add
all these kind of things.
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If you take the
aggregate 140 times.
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- So your blood pressure its
160, you get it down to 120 or
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whatever less. - Yes!
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- This is what happens as you
help people through education
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they start seeing these changes?
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- Yes, we begin to realize
that heart disease is not just
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a random act, but rather
it's something that comes to us
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based on lifestyle
habits that we adopt or accept
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or practice.
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For instance when you look
at the next graphic you will see
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that many of these risk
factors are diet related.
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Here you see a health column,
this is a typical food column
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in a developing country,
you notice there that most
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of the calories in this kind
of a diet comes from starch.
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These are usually corn,
beans, grains, simpler foods,
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you have some protein,
and some fat, and some sugar.
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- Well this is
good, this is good then.
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- This is very good. -
This is what they would eat
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in China, and in these
countries where you don't see
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heart disease. - That's correct!
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So this is the more
ideal diet a simpler diet.
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- Ok, now we're
talking with Dr. Hans Diehl,
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when we come back we
will look at what's bad,
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you've seen what is
good, we'll see what is bad,
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and hopefully you
will make the right choice
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so you don't have to
have these deadly plaques.
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Join us when we come back.
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Welcome back, we are talking to
Dr. Hans Diehl from Loma Linda
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California, he is a
cardiovascular epidemiologist,
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which is a big way of saying
that he deals with the heart
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and looking at the studies
in research to help people
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first of all understand heart
disease and hopefully avoid it.
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I might say something
else to our listeners as well,
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chiphealth.com, isn't that
right, that's your web page
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and you can learn more about
what we are talking about today
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about the CHIP Program,
about all of these different
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risk factors... I
have seen your web page
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you have a lot of different
little clips that can be played
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and people can really get an
education just by going through
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that web page. You
spent a lot of time
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on that, we appreciate that.
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We were talking about deadly
plaques in our first half.
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We talked about the fact
that in America, or the western
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countries, it's not a
matter if whether or not they
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most of them had these
plaques because they are eating
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this western diet.
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But you've had good news
for us, they don't necessarily
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succumb to the risk factors,
there are some diets and
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there are some things they
can do that can stop and perhaps
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even reverse these things.
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- Yeah, actually it's
true Don, you can turn them on,
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you can turn them off.
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So it all depends on
the choices that we make.
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I want to maybe focus on
the diet column once more.
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- Ok, go back to
what we were looking at.
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Remember what we talked
about, what is a good diet?
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A good diet is probably a
diet which is high in unrefined
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starch such as corn, brown rice,
beans, potatoes, simple foods,
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right, now move to the
next graphic and you see the
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dramatic change over
time as the income increases,
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from the left to the right side.
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You are no longer eating
the corn and the brown rice
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and the beans and the potatoes,
but instead on the right hand
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side now you are going to be
- eating more sugar, more fat,
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more vegetable fat, animal fat.
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- Let's stay on that
graph for just a minute here,
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take a look, from the
left side lots of potatoes,
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now we eat Pringles, left side,
lots of corn, now we eat Nachos,
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left side, lots of
beans, now we eat some steaks.
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With affluent comes
a change in our diet,
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we are now engineering
our food, we are now eating
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more animal products, we are
no longer eating a diet that's
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high in starch, but now
it's high in fats and sugar,
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When ever you have this
kind of a diet, within ten years
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you find in that society
that is adopting this kind of a
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affluent dietary pattern,
especially when you smoke
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and you don't exercise,
you will see within ten years
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heart disease.
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- So are you concerned about
what they call globalization
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about everybody kind of eating
the same thing or hearing about
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the same things
because of the media.
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- There was a time when heart
disease was largely restricted
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to 10% of the
world's population,
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that was fifty years
ago, now it's probably at 45%
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of the world's population,
we see a globalization of
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the western diet.
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Everybody wants to eat like an
American, people don't realize
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they also die like Americans.
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We didn't have heart disease
100 years ago, this is a new
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disease, it has to do
with not genetics so much,
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as it has to do with our culture
and what we are driven to do,
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the choices we make in what we
eat, and how we live and diet.
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- So you said something
interesting, 100 years ago this
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wasn't anywhere except
10% an how do you know that?
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- Oh, 100 years ago you couldn't
find it in North America,
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they've done autopsy
studies that were recorded,
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it was difficult to find
this atherosclerotic plaque
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in the arteries.
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1950/1960, you began
to see it everywhere,
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after World War
II major epidemic,
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and today it has
come down just a little
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bit, but is still the number
one killer in our society.
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- People back then ate
these foods that were not good
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for them, what's the
difference, the exercise?
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- You mean 100 years
ago? - Yea, 100 years ago.
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- Oh no, people
used to have some meat,
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they had some of these
specialty cakes perhaps
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100 years ago, but
it was a minority item.
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You had a big steak probably
on Sunday coming out of church,
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today, every day is
Sunday in our society.
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- Umhum! - We didn't have those
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candy bars, we didn't
have those refined foods,
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we didn't have potatoes coming
in little chips, we didn't have
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crinkly bags, this
is a new invention.
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This has increased the
intake of fat, sugar, and salt
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to the extent that it is
now contributing to these
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modern diseases.
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- Ok, so this American
diet, the western diet is toxic.
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- That's a strong
word but you are right.
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- Ok, so what do you do to
address these deadly plaques?
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- Well, what we try to do
through education is to help
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people to move towards a
simple diet, more foods as grown
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maybe we need to get back to
eating more potatoes, more corn,
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more bean, fruits, and
vegetables, there would be
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less of these
snacky items. Right!
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There would be less of
these crinkly bag items,
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maybe we ought to cut
back on cholesterol foods,
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the animal products, and
maybe use them occasionally
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rather than every day.
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Now in the CHIP program
how do you go about doing this?
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I kind of know, but I want
our viewers to hear because this
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is a powerful... it's
actually, I don't know
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you can probably update
me but there are five or six
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scientific studies now
done on the CHIP program itself
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that are showing that it
is effective, so what exactly
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is happening?
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- Well we talked about
these risk factors didn't we?
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We talked about
this risk arch. - Umhum
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- So the CHIP program tries
to help people through a 40 hour
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education program to begin
to make some simple lifestyle
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changes so that your cholesterol
drops on the average 15%.
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So when you drop
your cholesterol 15%,
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you drop your risk of heart
attack in half right there.
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We help people to begin to
eat more food of the right kind
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and the weight comes
down 6 to 10 pounds in 4 weeks
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without even trying.
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We help people to recognize
that maybe we should cut back
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on our salt consumption,
and what you begin to see is
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the blood pressures come down.
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We get people into an exercise
program and all of a sudden
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they begin to feel muscles
they haven't felt in years,
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they began to
become more energetic,
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they feel we can do this,
and some people that are still
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smokers, we try to
help them stop smoking.
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We also do something
about the diabetes by increasing
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more of the fiber
in the food intake.
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- Now when you say we help
them is it through education
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primarily or through example?
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- Yeah, we have groups of thirty
people, groups of 500 people
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that meet every
night Monday thru Thursday
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by in large, for 4 weeks
and they learn the concepts
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step by step looking at
all the scientific studies
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that we have out there.
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We are all filling up libraries
but how do really you make it
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available to people and to
translate this in such a way
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that people can really
take it in and then through
00:23:23.15\00:23:26.48
shopping tours and
food demonstrations and
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walking
exercises, get them inspired.
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As you know as time rolls
on after two or three weeks
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the people are
popping up in the audience,
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my daughter had
to reduce my insulin,
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my daughter had to reduce
my blood pressure medication.
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I lost 6 pounds by now,
I am feeling great and so
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it begins to spread and
so as they come in to the
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alumni program after
the program is finished
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there we have an
opportunity to sustain these
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lifestyle changes.
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- So it's through education,
I guess the big word for it
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if you were a psychologist,
or if you were someone that
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is dealing with mental
health would be cognitive
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behavioral therapy.
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- It sounds like a pretty
big word but it is sort of a...
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yes, you understand it is
a rational approach to making
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some simple
instructions based on evidence,
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not because of some emotion,
or because you heard some body
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talk about it on
a talk show. No! No!
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This is based on epidemiology,
the study of epidemics.
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- So that gets their attention,
they say ok, it's not just me
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it is not just my wife
saying you shouldn't eat that
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but there were thousands
of people that ate this and
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this is s what happened
to them I don't want that
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to happen to me.
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They get their cognitions, their
thoughts are changing let's say
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boy, if my thoughts change
then my behavior will change
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and I won't have the
same angina any more,
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or I won't have
what he says I will have.
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- You see we take them through
many of these large studies
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for instance you can go to Japan
1950 Japan, difficult to find
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heart disease in Japanese.
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As a matter of fact the
Japanese Medical School in Tokyo
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imported coronary arteries
from Johns Hopkins University
00:25:13.56\00:25:18.43
in Baltimore, we said we need
to have some of these plaques,
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some of these specimens so
we can show our medical students
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what kills
every second American.
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- Because they
didn't have any of that.
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- They didn't have
any, can you imagine?
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But you know all of this has
changed, today Japan has become
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westernized,
today Japan enjoys fish.
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- They don't have to
import these any more, its gone.
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This is exciting actually, where
you have 40, 50, 60,000 people
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that have now gone
through the CHIP program,
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and they all these same results.
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You are a Christian clinician
as well, how does the power
00:25:50.75\00:25:54.85
of God factor into this?
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- Well I think we recognize
that God is the creator
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and He gave us a circulatory
system of some 60,000 miles
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per body. - Umhum!
00:26:09.75\00:26:11.18
- You think about this,
I mean we are wonderfully,
00:26:11.21\00:26:14.50
fearfully made and as we
recognize God is the owner
00:26:14.53\00:26:18.35
of our bodies, we can
now respond to that gift
00:26:18.38\00:26:24.49
entrusted to us and say what
can I do to return this gift
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to you, how can I maintain
the beauty of this organism?
00:26:28.19\00:26:34.40
So faith then comes in
to empower for us to do that
00:26:34.43\00:26:38.74
which is not easy to
do. - So this group activity
00:26:38.77\00:26:43.05
helps us but really the power
of God must be available to us
00:26:43.08\00:26:47.15
personally to make these
kind of lifestyle changes.
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- If you can rely on God
who empowers you, you can swim
00:26:50.41\00:26:54.86
against the current.
00:26:54.89\00:26:56.74
- Let's go back
and look at one more,
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there is a graphic back there,
see if you can find that of that
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optimal diet way back.
This graphic is good too:
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This is the Killer Diet and
that is what we want to avoid.
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Instead, getting back to
the original diet that God had
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planned for us fruits,
nuts, grains, and vegetables.
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- Simple foods, foods
as grown, simply prepared.
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- Well thank you so
much for being with us,
00:27:35.61\00:27:37.84
the people that are watching
can go chiphealth.com, right?
00:27:37.87\00:27:42.01
- That's right! -
Learn more about the
00:27:42.04\00:27:43.50
CHIP Program, it's an exciting
program, it's changed my life
00:27:43.53\00:27:47.39
and the life of others and
many others across the country.
00:27:47.42\00:27:50.45
We hope that as a result of
this program you'll have health
00:27:50.48\00:27:53.95
that lasts for a lifetime.
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