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Welcome Health for A Life Time
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and I'm your
host Don Mackintosh.
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And today we're
gonna talk about something
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you hear a lot
about at least in America
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and that is
protein, high protein diets
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versus not having
those, but it's all the rage
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right now and it
seems to go in cycles.
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And talking with
us about protein today
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is Dr. Neil
Nedley. We're glad that
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you're with us
today. And this is,
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this is the topic
that you know it seems
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to cycle over every 30-40 years.
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It's a lot of
myths about it you know;
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we call it the great
meat and protein myth.
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Okay, so we
wanna talk about that,
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what is protein?
What it's made up of,
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and help us swerve
through nerves here?
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Well, protein actually
is made up of amino acids.
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Amino acids are the building
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blocks of protein.
Okay. And there are eight
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essential amino
acids that are necessary
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in a human's diet and
if we don't get all eight
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of those in the
proper quantities we're gonna
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end up with problems.
Okay. And as a result of
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that people
erroneously concluded back
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around the World War II Era,
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that we needed to
get so much of those
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eight that there was no problem
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in getting an
excess, just to assure that
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we're getting the
eight. And so, they were
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recommending
animal bases of protein as
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being superior because it had
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higher protein contents.
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So, I think we
have a graphic showing
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the proteins you wanna work as
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through that
all the amino acids?
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Yes, Dr. Rose
debunked this myth,
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but he found out that
all eight of the essential
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amino acids were in
sweet potatoes alone
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and those are the
amounts of each one of
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the eight starting
with the red and ending
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with the purple
there. All eight essential
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amino acids were
present in proper amounts
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in baked potatoes,
brown rice, tomatoes,
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pumpkin and in whole wheat.
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And in addition to that corn,
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rolled oats, white beans,
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asparagus and you
can see the huge amounts
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there in asparagus
and beans and broccoli.
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And now you can
see the recommended
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amounts that's
what he found out was
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actually needed and
that was double the amount.
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His recommended
amount was double the
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amount that he found for any
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grown very active man.
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So, in other words
to take to home from
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that is that
you can get all your
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protein in any one of those.
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Any one of those foods,
if you are eating enough
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to maintain your
way, now that was you know
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we wouldn't recommend
eating enough potatoes
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to maintain your
way, you don't have to
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eat a large
amount of potatoes for
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instance to do
that. But that helps to
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explain something you know,
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I was teaching this
actually in a nutrition
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course in my town and
one of the ladies taking
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the course was in
her 70s and she said,
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this explains why
we survive the great
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depression? I
said, what do you mean?
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She said, all we
had were white potatoes
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that's all we ate for
years during the great
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depression because
our family couldn't afford
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anything else, we
thought we'll all die out,
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but we grew, and the
kid grew and it was normal.
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And yeah, they
were probably shorting
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themselves in some nutrients,
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but they weren't
shorting themselves
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in protein because they got all
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the eight essential amino acids.
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That's
fascinating, I mean you know,
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I've referred
people also talk about,
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actually over in
Germany or the different
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concentration camps
they would feed them
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just potatoes or just that.
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And at the end of the
work of course the people
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that were in those
camps they didn't get
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killed or actually
healthier than the soldier
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they came to emancipate them.
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That's right 'cause
they weren't getting
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too much protein and that's the,
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the flip side of this
is therefore so worried
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about getting enough protein.
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Chances are that
we're eating a lot of animal
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bases of protein and the, the
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animal protein
actually can give us too much.
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And in excess
protein could uses urea,
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and urea acts as a diuretic,
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but it not only
getvs rid of fluorine,
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but it will also
get rid of calcium.
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Diuretics virtually
never just get rid of fluid
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they always take
something else with it,
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some diuretics
will take potassium,
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some will take
sodium, the urea takes calcium
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with it and with that
of course 99% of calcium
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being in the bones
with that we'll also lose
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bone mineral density
and it's one of the reasons
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why meat has been so strongly
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associated with osteoporosis.
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So, there is
another reason to get your
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protein from plants as basically
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what you're saying?
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That's right, and
that is it can help
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prevent osteoporosis.
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The study that we have on the,
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on a graphic shows
that when we're eating
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just 48 grams of
protein a day we'll safe 20
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milligrams of
calcium per day that means
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19 of those 20
milligrams end up in the bones.
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When we're eating 95
grams of protein we lose
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40 milligrams
of calcium per day.
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And if we eat 142
grams and these people
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on these high
protein diets are doing that.
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They are losing
actually over 100 milligrams
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of protein per
day. And that's a,
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that's a huge amount
over the time it will
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cause loss of
bone marrow density.
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You mean they're
losing not protein,
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but calcium as
what you mean to say?
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That's right
losing calcium. Okay.
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And the protein is actually,
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the excess protein is leaching
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calcium all the bones.
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Okay, so each one
of those graphics,
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it was actually
the losing calcium
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the more protein
need. The more protein need,
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right. Okay, so
what is then, it's,
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this is probably
somehow associated
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all the hip fractures
and all these other things
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we see in a country
where this myth is prevalent
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that is that we
should eat meat to get our
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protein rather
than the plant sources
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where we could get it?
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That's right, the
plant sources are of course
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are the original
primary sources of protein.
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You know the
cow, where does it get
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all it's protein
from You know it's a total
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vegetarian
essentially and it's getting
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it from the
grains. And that's a much
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better way of getting it.
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So, I think you have a
graphic that then shows
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relationship between
the calcium level and,
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and the hip fracture level.
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Yes, it's a kind
of interesting that
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the higher the calcium intake,
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you know up to a
1000 milligrams a day
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the higher the hip fracture risk
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and you can see
Denmark, US, United Kingdom,
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they're all up
there in calcium intake.
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And they're also up
there in hip fracture
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and here we have
South Africa way down
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the rayed only 200 milligrams
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of calcium per day.
And their hip fracture
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rates are extremely low,
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which help us to realize?
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Now, this doesn't
mean that calcium causes
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the hip fractures.
But interestingly the
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societies that eat
the most calcium also eat
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the most protein
and the most salt
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and the most
sugar. And all of these
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together can
lead to osteoporosis
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and so we're
actually getting rid of more
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calcium in the body then what
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we're are putting in,
where the South Africans
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they spare at all
essentially because
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being on a much
higher plant-based diet and
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not having the
sugar and excess salt.
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So, that's fascinating,
when we, that we try
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and do things the
wrong way, we try and say,
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okay, we'll eat all
kinds of proteins from animal
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sources and it hurts
us. And let me say, okay
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we're trying to
take calcium supplements
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and it doesn't really help us.
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That's right, it's
much better to get your
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calcium from plant foods
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instead of animal foods.
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And what are some foods that are
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higher in
calcium, if I'm going down
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to the story. I need some
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foods that have calcium.
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Well, you can see
oatmeal is good as it is,
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it doesn't have
a lot of calcium.
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One cup just 19
milligrams and lentils
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38 milligrams and
that should be calcium
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content in milligrams.
Quinoa 102 milligrams,
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a rutabagas 115
milligrams of calcium.
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Mustard greens are
much higher source,
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one cup a 152, Kale
which is my favorite green,
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one cup of 179
milligrams of calcium.
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And then we have
foods that are extremely
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high in calcium.
And there's would be
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turnip greens, one cup 249
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milligrams of
calcium. Soya beans,
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one cup 261 milligrams.
You can see milk where
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it lines up the whole milk 290,
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skim milk is 301, but there are
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higher sources,
carob flour is one of
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those 358
milligrams of calcium and
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the highest source of calcium
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is actually Lambsquarters.
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Now, that is not the
hind leg of a small sheep.
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Lambsquarters is
actually a green it grows
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as a weed where
I'm from in Oklahoma
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very tasty green, very tender
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and very high in calcium.
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Is that right? So,
the highest sources
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of calcium are not
milk, but plant again.
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Yes, grains are
excellent sources.
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One exception and
that would be spinach.
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Spinach has a
lot of calcium too,
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but also contains
oxalates so we're not
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really absorbing
that calcium like we are
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going to from
kale. Kale it's absorbed
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to high degree,
even lambsquarters,
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it's absorbed in high degree.
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And I might tell
you those of who are
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watching you think
my kids won't eat kale,
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my kids love kale,
alright, for some reason
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I mean, they
didn't get that from me,
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I'm learning to
love kale, but man,
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their, their mother
and the kids they sit
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around and they just you know,
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could I have some
more kale they're screaming
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them back? And they love it,
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they put a little
lemon on it and that doesn't
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do anything
bad, does it? No. No,
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and they just sit
there and they just like
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I've a kale feast.
And you know it's amazing.
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I should actually
take a video maybe roll
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it in the next
time we do this program
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'cause people
are not believing me,
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but they do, they do love kale.
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And maybe after just put some
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lambsquarters in there as well.
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Other good source of
calcium is sesame seeds.
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Sesame is a good
source, Tahini would be a good
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source of
calcium and figs are also
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are excellence
source of calcium.
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Well, what about
sodium? Is there any
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connection between
protein and sodium?
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Well, there isn't
regards osteoporosis.
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A lot of people
don't realize that high
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sodium in the diet
also leaches calcium
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out of the bones. Is that right?
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And high sodium
will not only cause
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high blood pressure,
it not only increases
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the risk of heart diseases,
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but it also significantly
increases the risk of
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kidney stones because
it's leaching calcium out
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of the bones and
putting it into the urine.
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And it also is one of the major
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contributors to osteoporosis.
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Wow! So, you have
a graphic on these on
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sodium foods and where we are?
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Let's look at
that. Yes, the average
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American diet
has 4000 milligrams
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of sodium a day. Wow! Those with
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normal blood
pressure should not have
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more than 2400 milligrams a day;
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those with high
blood pressure no more than
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2000 milligrams a
day, and those with high
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blood pressure and
congestive heart failure
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or liver problems a
1000 milligrams a day.
00:12:15.56\00:12:17.57
Some people with
high blood pressure should
00:12:17.58\00:12:20.12
only be on a 1000
'cause their blood pressure
00:12:20.13\00:12:22.03
would drop a lot better,
00:12:22.04\00:12:23.08
but we do need
some sodium in diet,
00:12:23.69\00:12:25.62
a minimum of 250
milligrams a day.
00:12:25.63\00:12:28.40
If you had a sodium
free diet that would
00:12:28.41\00:12:30.13
not be recommended
and so this is why if
00:12:30.14\00:12:33.17
you're totally on
the plant-based diet for
00:12:33.18\00:12:34.93
instance if you're
a total vegetarian,
00:12:34.94\00:12:36.79
you would add a
little bit of sodium,
00:12:37.57\00:12:39.43
wouldn't have to a
lot, but plants foods
00:12:39.62\00:12:41.45
are so low in
sodium which you might sure
00:12:41.46\00:12:43.77
yourself if you
didn't had a little bit.
00:12:43.78\00:12:45.58
But what are
these foods that are
00:12:45.70\00:12:47.07
so high in
sodium in American diet?
00:12:47.08\00:12:49.56
Well, prepared foods you know,
00:12:50.63\00:12:53.39
you go to any restaurant
and people think in order
00:12:53.64\00:12:56.30
to enhance the
taste for the general
00:12:56.31\00:12:57.58
public you have to
dump sodium into them.
00:12:57.59\00:12:59.70
When we come
back we're gonna look
00:13:00.32\00:13:01.29
at the list of foods
that are high in sodium
00:13:01.30\00:13:03.54
just in case you
haven't figured out
00:13:03.55\00:13:04.77
which ones are? I'm gonna talk
00:13:04.78\00:13:06.62
more about some of
these myths as there is,
00:13:06.63\00:13:08.51
as a related to
protein and calcium.
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Join us when we come back.
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Welcome back we've been talking
00:14:14.24\00:14:15.21
to Dr. Neil
Nedley. We've been talking
00:14:15.22\00:14:16.73
about some myths
as they are associated
00:14:16.74\00:14:19.25
with protein, high protein diet
00:14:19.26\00:14:21.29
seem to be all their
age. And we've also talked
00:14:21.30\00:14:23.53
about osteoporosis
that's relationship to calcium
00:14:23.54\00:14:26.84
and sodium
which was interesting.
00:14:27.44\00:14:29.49
Dr. Nedley we're
glad that you are with us.
00:14:29.50\00:14:31.28
Thank you. Now,
some of these things
00:14:31.99\00:14:33.61
are brand new,
you have a lot of the
00:14:33.62\00:14:35.01
base lines things in
your book Prove Positive.
00:14:35.02\00:14:37.21
People that want
information about that
00:14:37.71\00:14:39.53
can review the page Nedley,
00:14:39.54\00:14:41.99
Nedleypublishing.com and they,
00:14:42.28\00:14:45.03
they can read the base things,
00:14:45.04\00:14:46.61
but you're ensuring
some new things with us.
00:14:46.62\00:14:48.36
Yes, and one of
those new things is that
00:14:49.23\00:14:50.91
a high sodium
diet actually leaches
00:14:50.92\00:14:53.00
calcium out of the system.
00:14:53.01\00:14:54.46
And it can lead to osteoporosis;
00:14:55.44\00:14:58.75
also if we don't have
enough calcium on board
00:14:58.76\00:15:00.72
we don't make
enough melatonin at night.
00:15:00.73\00:15:02.71
So, it can even
cause premature graying,
00:15:03.36\00:15:05.73
it can cause increase
the risk of certain cancers
00:15:06.60\00:15:10.15
because of not enough of the
00:15:11.41\00:15:13.01
anti-oxidant melatonin on board.
00:15:13.36\00:15:15.34
So, are you trying
to talk about my grey
00:15:16.16\00:15:17.85
hair suddenly is that
what you're trying to say?
00:15:17.86\00:15:19.42
Well, I mean there
is genetically we are
00:15:19.43\00:15:22.51
all programmed to get
grey at certain points
00:15:23.05\00:15:24.84
so as we get older it's
actually normal to grey,
00:15:24.89\00:15:29.23
but we don't want
the premature graying.
00:15:29.98\00:15:31.68
Okay. And if we run
into calcium deficits
00:15:32.02\00:15:35.23
we're gonna run into
some premature graying.
00:15:35.24\00:15:37.43
So, you're just
saying I'm getting older,
00:15:37.55\00:15:38.94
I appreciate
that. Well, alright,
00:15:39.48\00:15:41.48
well Dr. Nedley you
know, we want to look
00:15:41.49\00:15:43.32
at the foods that
are higher in sodium,
00:15:43.33\00:15:45.80
which foods are
higher in sodium?
00:15:45.81\00:15:47.14
You kind of have
a quiz for us here,
00:15:47.15\00:15:48.45
which of these?
Yes I'd like to you
00:15:48.46\00:15:49.43
all to take this quiz
that are watching here today.
00:15:49.44\00:15:51.80
Corn chips, what do
you think is higher?
00:15:52.39\00:15:54.38
One cup of corn chips
or one cup of corn flakes?
00:15:54.72\00:15:58.14
Then which do
you think is higher,
00:15:58.83\00:16:00.54
a quarter cup of peanuts or
00:16:00.55\00:16:02.28
a can of tomato soup?
00:16:02.29\00:16:03.89
Then what do
you think is higher,
00:16:04.85\00:16:06.26
a half cup of
frozen peas or a half cup
00:16:07.28\00:16:09.55
of canned peas?
And then which is
00:16:09.56\00:16:13.53
higher a cup of
butter milk or a cup of
00:16:13.54\00:16:15.77
cottage cheese? One small bag of
00:16:15.78\00:16:18.68
potato chips or a cup
of instant mash potatoes?
00:16:18.83\00:16:21.75
And then again which is higher
00:16:22.56\00:16:24.01
a serving of French fries or
00:16:24.16\00:16:25.69
serving of ice
cream, soft serve?
00:16:25.70\00:16:28.48
Well, I'm ready
to take the quiz,
00:16:30.39\00:16:32.23
I'm everyone at home
has written those down
00:16:32.24\00:16:33.67
and they have their answers.
00:16:33.68\00:16:34.65
Let's look at the answers.
00:16:34.80\00:16:35.77
Well, actually
each one that was second
00:16:36.46\00:16:39.00
in the list was the highest.
00:16:39.18\00:16:40.66
Notice the corn
flakes higher than
00:16:40.84\00:16:42.70
the corn chips,
cereals acceptance
00:16:42.71\00:16:45.65
for shredded
wheat tends to be pretty
00:16:45.66\00:16:47.97
high in sodium. The
peanuts 155 milligrams,
00:16:47.98\00:16:51.74
but look at that
can of tomato soup
00:16:51.77\00:16:53.69
932 milligrams. Wow! Frozen peas
00:16:53.70\00:16:57.24
only 17
milligrams. Can peas are gonna
00:16:57.25\00:16:59.73
have higher sodium content 340,
00:16:59.74\00:17:02.71
buttermilk moderately high;
00:17:03.59\00:17:04.87
dairy is moderately
high in calcium 257,
00:17:04.88\00:17:07.76
but look at that
cottage cheese 850 milligrams.
00:17:07.96\00:17:11.58
Now, small bag of
potatoes chips 168 milligrams,
00:17:12.12\00:17:14.97
but instant mashed
potatoes quite high
00:17:14.98\00:17:17.15
491 milligrams.
French fries 123,
00:17:17.75\00:17:21.56
but that ice cream
again dairy moderately
00:17:21.57\00:17:23.74
high 220 milligrams of sodium.
00:17:23.75\00:17:26.59
And so, the
take home message for
00:17:27.66\00:17:29.55
this is to read your labels.
00:17:29.56\00:17:32.60
A lot of people say hey,
00:17:32.73\00:17:33.85
I don't use much
salt because they're not
00:17:33.86\00:17:35.59
using a salt shaker routinely,
00:17:35.60\00:17:37.73
but getting rid of
the salt shaker only gets
00:17:38.45\00:17:40.96
rid of less than a
third of the sodium
00:17:40.97\00:17:43.64
consumed in
America. Two thirds of it is
00:17:43.65\00:17:46.91
already dumped
into the foods before
00:17:46.92\00:17:48.66
we ever eat it. And
so, that means reading
00:17:48.67\00:17:51.40
the labels is important.
You may not be thinking
00:17:51.41\00:17:53.46
you're on a high sodium diet,
00:17:53.47\00:17:54.84
but once you read
those labels you may
00:17:54.85\00:17:56.60
find out that your
sodium intake is too
00:17:56.61\00:17:58.72
high and is contributing
to a number of problems.
00:17:58.73\00:17:59.70
Like you said
osteoporosis which is new for
00:18:01.54\00:18:04.17
someone of us and, that's right,
00:18:04.18\00:18:05.35
you also said lower
melatonin grey hair.
00:18:05.36\00:18:08.08
That's right. I mean
that right alone is gonna
00:18:08.36\00:18:10.51
stimulate a lot of
people will do this.
00:18:10.52\00:18:12.64
That started
lowering their sodium
00:18:13.55\00:18:14.84
intake. So, what are some foods
00:18:14.85\00:18:16.21
that are low in
sodium, you said shredded,
00:18:16.22\00:18:18.28
shredded wheat was
the only cereal that
00:18:18.29\00:18:20.43
you know or is
total is total okay?
00:18:20.44\00:18:22.52
Well, total is
gonna have more because
00:18:22.84\00:18:24.61
they do they
put sodium in their,
00:18:24.62\00:18:25.97
shredded wheat
there is no sodium added.
00:18:25.98\00:18:27.90
Okay. And so, the foods that are
00:18:27.91\00:18:30.21
whole plant foods,
we have the graphic
00:18:30.47\00:18:32.28
showing you the foods that are
00:18:32.29\00:18:33.48
very low in
sodium. And even peas
00:18:33.49\00:18:36.52
are gonna be very
low. The frozen peas still
00:18:36.53\00:18:38.49
have some sodium added into it.
00:18:38.50\00:18:40.27
Your average
serving a fresh fruit 6
00:18:40.51\00:18:42.47
milligrams of
sodium. Average grains,
00:18:42.48\00:18:46.05
whole grains and
cereals 7 milligrams of sodium,
00:18:46.28\00:18:49.11
if your nuts are unsalted only 3
00:18:49.51\00:18:51.89
milligrams of
sodium. Vegetables have
00:18:51.90\00:18:54.13
a little higher 15
milligrams and then a
00:18:54.14\00:18:56.30
shredded wheat one
serving only 3 milligrams.
00:18:56.31\00:18:59.26
And if you add up
all of the sodium there,
00:18:59.75\00:19:02.39
in those plant foods
you may not have your
00:19:02.79\00:19:05.01
minimum 250 milligrams a day
00:19:05.02\00:19:06.94
and that's why it's
okay, if you're on a plant,
00:19:06.95\00:19:10.00
totally plant based
diet to add a little bit
00:19:10.01\00:19:12.30
of sodium there, but
for the average individual
00:19:12.31\00:19:15.37
who is buying all
these prepared foods not
00:19:15.38\00:19:17.42
only should they
not use the salt shaker
00:19:17.43\00:19:19.23
they really need
to limit their intake
00:19:19.24\00:19:22.77
of these prepared foods.
00:19:22.78\00:19:23.78
What about these salt substance,
00:19:23.79\00:19:26.00
substitutes like
potassium and other things
00:19:26.01\00:19:28.65
they put on, what
do you say about those?
00:19:28.66\00:19:30.44
Well, potassium
chloride is better than
00:19:30.75\00:19:32.59
sodium chloride
for the average person.
00:19:32.60\00:19:34.50
However, if you
have mild renal failure,
00:19:34.51\00:19:36.63
it can be
dangerous because you're not
00:19:38.02\00:19:40.36
getting rid of the
potassium and it can
00:19:40.37\00:19:41.85
actually cause
the heart to stop.
00:19:41.86\00:19:44.10
Also we're finding
out it's not so much
00:19:44.63\00:19:46.58
to sodium is the
problem, but it's the chloride.
00:19:46.59\00:19:48.92
Alright. In
potassium chloride still has
00:19:49.74\00:19:51.92
the chloride molecule
and that chloride molecule
00:19:51.93\00:19:54.49
still gonna end up dumping
00:19:54.50\00:19:55.85
a little bit of
calcium. Interesting, so when we
00:19:55.86\00:19:59.52
reduce our sodium you
have the graphics that
00:19:59.53\00:20:01.58
helps us know what
we're reducing our risk of.
00:20:01.59\00:20:03.82
Yes, we're reducing our risk of
00:20:03.83\00:20:06.23
high blood
pressure; you can drop your
00:20:06.34\00:20:07.82
blood pressure up
to 20 points by getting
00:20:07.83\00:20:10.45
on a diet that's 1000 milligrams
00:20:10.46\00:20:12.67
of sodium per
day. It's been shown to
00:20:12.68\00:20:14.97
reduce the risk of heart attack.
00:20:14.98\00:20:16.68
No matter what other
underline risk factors
00:20:17.19\00:20:19.51
of heart attacks that you have.
00:20:19.52\00:20:20.91
In addition, it
reduces the complications of
00:20:21.59\00:20:24.65
congestive heart
failure, cirrhosis,
00:20:24.66\00:20:26.35
liver and kidney
failure. Reduces the risk of
00:20:26.36\00:20:29.34
stomach and
nasopharyngeal cancer,
00:20:29.35\00:20:31.41
reduces osteoporosis
and reduces kidney stones.
00:20:31.42\00:20:34.76
Speaking of
congestive heart failure I knew
00:20:35.96\00:20:38.03
of several individuals
one in particular that every
00:20:38.32\00:20:43.29
time that she
would have even like a
00:20:43.30\00:20:45.47
bowl of soup she
would end up in emergency
00:20:45.48\00:20:47.73
room with firmament
congestive heart failure.
00:20:47.74\00:20:50.02
And after incubator
put it on the ventilator
00:20:50.38\00:20:52.61
and give a strong
talking to in regards to not
00:20:52.62\00:20:55.90
eating high sodium foods.
00:20:55.91\00:20:57.76
She'd be a good
for a while and then
00:20:57.99\00:20:59.47
a temptation would come and boom
00:20:59.48\00:21:01.08
she do it again. And she would
00:21:01.09\00:21:02.91
end up in the ICU
almost on death door
00:21:02.92\00:21:05.73
and this happened
repeatedly we've had
00:21:05.74\00:21:08.33
dietitian come talk to etc,
00:21:08.34\00:21:10.43
but sometimes
that soup became so
00:21:11.72\00:21:14.08
tempting, the
memory, that she thought,
00:21:14.77\00:21:17.85
well you know
maybe I'll get buy with
00:21:17.90\00:21:19.42
it this time,
she ended up dying.
00:21:19.43\00:21:22.24
One time she got
to the emergency room
00:21:23.10\00:21:24.79
too late after
her high sodium foods
00:21:24.80\00:21:28.25
that with pickles I
think. Pickles are also quite
00:21:28.26\00:21:30.67
loaded in sodium,
she had some pickles and,
00:21:30.68\00:21:34.20
and some French
fries and boom that was it.
00:21:34.78\00:21:37.68
That was it. Yeah,
and that's because her
00:21:38.63\00:21:40.32
heart was so weak that. How old,
00:21:40.33\00:21:42.34
how about how old
this is individual?
00:21:42.35\00:21:44.07
She was in her 70s. In her 70s,
00:21:44.08\00:21:46.14
so when you're on
the edge especially.
00:21:46.15\00:21:49.23
Yeah, you all know
the difference right away.
00:21:49.24\00:21:51.27
And of course a lot
of people don't have that
00:21:51.28\00:21:52.92
immediate
feedback on their body;
00:21:52.93\00:21:54.77
it's just paying a
toll in the slow gradual
00:21:55.47\00:21:58.73
pull down turn.
And then eventually
00:21:58.74\00:22:02.01
they have the feedback when
00:22:02.02\00:22:03.04
sometimes it's too late.
00:22:03.05\00:22:04.39
So, the protein
problem, the calcium
00:22:04.93\00:22:07.16
problem and the
sodium problem is
00:22:07.17\00:22:09.67
causing all
kinds of osteoporosis?
00:22:09.68\00:22:11.49
And then another
piece of new information
00:22:12.51\00:22:14.65
as far as
osteoporosis we now know that
00:22:14.66\00:22:17.15
refined sugar also
leaches calcium from the bone.
00:22:17.16\00:22:20.36
In fact, it may do so
more so than the protein
00:22:20.48\00:22:24.05
and meat at least the
recent study show this.
00:22:24.06\00:22:27.91
So, a lot of people
are just worried about
00:22:28.49\00:22:30.08
their calcium, maybe
they're low in the protein
00:22:30.09\00:22:32.23
if they have
osteoporosis they also
00:22:32.24\00:22:33.96
need to watch out for
the sodium and the sugar.
00:22:33.97\00:22:36.05
Okay, now once, I mean,
I wanna look at that you
00:22:37.08\00:22:39.78
have a graphic on
preventing osteoporosis
00:22:39.79\00:22:41.97
we wanna look at in a minute,
00:22:41.98\00:22:42.95
but when should
people start being
00:22:42.96\00:22:44.04
concerned about,
when they're 60, 70?
00:22:44.05\00:22:45.81
No, before that
really we start tending
00:22:46.85\00:22:49.80
to lose bone
mineral density after
00:22:49.81\00:22:51.73
the age of 20-25. And so,
00:22:51.74\00:22:54.87
it's not a bad idea
if you have access to get
00:22:55.28\00:22:57.57
a bone mineral
density in your 40s and see
00:22:57.58\00:22:59.42
where you at
before, by the time you're
00:22:59.43\00:23:01.39
in the 60s
osteoporosis can be so severe,
00:23:01.40\00:23:03.85
you can
maintain, but won't be able
00:23:05.20\00:23:06.68
to catch up back again.
00:23:06.69\00:23:07.76
Okay, so if you'r in your 20s,
00:23:08.29\00:23:09.84
you should be
listening to this program.
00:23:09.85\00:23:11.36
Absolutely. Okay,
preventing osteoporosis,
00:23:11.37\00:23:15.01
you have a
graphic that helps us.
00:23:15.02\00:23:16.54
Yes, restricting animal protein,
00:23:16.55\00:23:18.21
restrict sodium
intake getting enough
00:23:18.22\00:23:20.12
absorbable calcium
in the diet particularly
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from the green
sesame. Magnesium is also
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important we need half as much
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magnesium as calcium.
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And then gravity exercises,
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now that means
brisk walking, running,
00:23:32.03\00:23:33.69
swimming is not
one of those real
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gravity
exercises. And then if you're
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standing for more
than 4 hours a day
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routinely that's been shown to
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reduce the risk as well.
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Okay, wonderful.
What about animal protein
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and certain
glandular or lymph cancers?
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Well, that's the
other problem with too
00:23:50.84\00:23:52.16
much of animal
protein; it does seem to
00:23:52.17\00:23:53.86
increase the risk of cancers.
00:23:53.87\00:23:55.59
In fact, T Colin
Campbell has written
00:23:55.60\00:23:57.37
an entire book on
this, and we get too much
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of the essential
amino acids it surprises
00:23:59.84\00:24:02.41
the immune system when
cancer tendsto come about.
00:24:02.42\00:24:04.70
And lymphoma is one of those;
00:24:05.09\00:24:06.32
studies have shown
that according to the graph
00:24:06.33\00:24:10.21
that we have as a
graphic the higher
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the animal protein intake,
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the higher the incidence of
00:24:17.96\00:24:19.44
lymphoma worldwide.
So, let's look at this
00:24:19.45\00:24:21.91
graphic and we'll
see that you can see
00:24:21.92\00:24:23.69
a kind of
increases as it goes up there
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towards United States again.
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That's right,
Japan lower amounts of
00:24:28.40\00:24:30.84
animal protein
virtually no lymphoma,
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Yugoslavia is
higher and then when
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we get to Untied
Kingdom, Netherlands,
00:24:36.62\00:24:38.71
Denmark, US we
have high animal protein
00:24:38.72\00:24:42.64
intake
particularly beef protein and we
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have much higher
rates of lymphoma.
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And that even New
Zealand I think another
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graphs I've seen
was very high as well.
00:24:49.73\00:24:51.57
Right. Well, talk to
me then about low protein
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diets in terms of what they
00:24:57.51\00:24:59.88
do with kidney failure?
00:24:59.89\00:25:01.35
Well, this has been an
interesting phenomenon.
00:25:02.52\00:25:04.62
For years the medical
profession was taught,
00:25:04.63\00:25:07.65
I was taught and
medical school that one say
00:25:07.66\00:25:10.72
diabetic started
to get dumping protein
00:25:10.73\00:25:13.65
in their urine,
they were automatically
00:25:13.66\00:25:16.10
gonna be on dialyses,
if they lived long enough.
00:25:16.11\00:25:19.29
In other words, their
kidneys would continue
00:25:19.30\00:25:21.12
to deteriorate year-after-year.
00:25:21.13\00:25:23.44
In fact, every
diabetic every year
00:25:24.03\00:25:25.74
if they're been
followed by good doctor
00:25:25.75\00:25:27.38
is they're getting
their protein measured
00:25:27.39\00:25:29.46
in their urine to make
sure they're not on this
00:25:29.47\00:25:31.46
course and if they
are we can't intervene
00:25:31.47\00:25:34.60
at this point. We
used to try an intervene by
00:25:34.61\00:25:36.74
controlling the blood
sugars that didn't work,
00:25:36.75\00:25:38.47
but what did work
was not only controlling
00:25:40.30\00:25:43.41
the blood sugars, but
on top of that lowering
00:25:43.42\00:25:45.73
the protein in the
diet. And once we put these
00:25:45.74\00:25:48.86
diabetics on a 40
gram protein diet which is
00:25:48.87\00:25:52.06
adequate
protein and you're still
00:25:52.20\00:25:53.35
getting eight
the, eight of these
00:25:53.36\00:25:54.86
essential amino
acids, but you're not
00:25:54.93\00:25:56.99
getting the access
in proteins that's going
00:25:57.00\00:26:01.77
to leach not only
calcium from the bone,
00:26:01.78\00:26:04.85
but the access in
protein will destroy nephrons.
00:26:05.04\00:26:07.30
And we have a
graphic that shows us this,
00:26:08.06\00:26:10.35
you can see the
individual their kidney
00:26:12.07\00:26:14.73
function had gone
down significantly they
00:26:14.74\00:26:17.10
are filtering
over a 100ccs of blood,
00:26:17.11\00:26:19.09
now it was only
50ccs. Once you're down to
00:26:19.10\00:26:22.07
15 you're on
dialysis. And then their kidneys
00:26:22.08\00:26:26.61
stabilized by being
on a low protein diet,
00:26:26.70\00:26:29.98
no worst
function. What happen to
00:26:30.27\00:26:33.04
the protein in
their blood stream that's
00:26:33.05\00:26:35.31
what the next
slide that goes over?
00:26:35.32\00:26:37.17
And this is pretty amazing,
00:26:37.18\00:26:38.64
the protein in their
blood stream increased
00:26:39.06\00:26:41.24
you know you'd say
well they're on a low
00:26:42.04\00:26:43.25
protein diet why did
their protein increased
00:26:43.26\00:26:45.58
because they were dumping less
00:26:45.83\00:26:47.21
protein in their
urine. Their kidneys actually
00:26:47.22\00:26:50.22
were able to spare the protein.
00:26:50.23\00:26:52.12
And so, even now
their kidneys were
00:26:52.50\00:26:53.67
filtering the same,
they weren't dumping
00:26:53.68\00:26:55.31
the protein in
their urine and their body
00:26:55.32\00:26:57.05
nutritional status actually
00:26:57.06\00:26:59.63
improved significantly.
00:26:59.64\00:27:00.99
So, when you are a
diabetic and you start to
00:27:01.80\00:27:05.09
have this dumping,
the real solution there
00:27:05.10\00:27:08.09
is not so much
focusing on the sugar
00:27:08.39\00:27:10.26
all though that's, that's.
00:27:10.43\00:27:12.02
We'll still focus on that. Yeah,
00:27:12.03\00:27:13.45
so focus on that,
but it is lessening
00:27:13.46\00:27:15.77
the protein in the diet.
00:27:15.78\00:27:17.50
Lessening the
protein in the diet,
00:27:17.74\00:27:19.17
getting on the strict
on a strict low protein
00:27:19.30\00:27:21.23
diet will
prevent you from needing
00:27:21.24\00:27:24.18
dialysis in the future.
00:27:24.19\00:27:25.55
And again let's
back to Genesis 129 it's
00:27:25.69\00:27:28.68
those foods just grown
that are the best to eat
00:27:28.69\00:27:31.17
if you're trying
to lower that and get
00:27:31.18\00:27:32.91
an adequate source.
Exactly. So, Genesis
00:27:33.12\00:27:36.58
strikes again
back to the beginning.
00:27:36.59\00:27:38.84
Yep, that
original diet that was good
00:27:39.55\00:27:41.70
for the man and a woman then
00:27:41.71\00:27:44.79
are also a good
for human kind today.
00:27:45.42\00:27:47.89
Thank you, so
much for being with us
00:27:48.09\00:27:49.24
Dr. Nedley, and
thank you for being with
00:27:49.25\00:27:51.45
us for Health for A
Life Time. God bless you.
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