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Hello and welcome to
Health For A Lifetime.
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I'm your host Don
Mackintosh, we're glad
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you've joined us
today, we're gonna be
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talking about heart
disease and some good
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news. Even though
it's the number one killer
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in the world and very
significant here in the
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West, there are
some things we can do to
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reverse it. Talking
with us today is Dr. Neil
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Nedley, welcome Dr.
Nedley. Thank you and
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glad to be here Don.
Now, you have some sub
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sub specialties,
you're Internal Medicine
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specialist but you see
a lot of heart patients.
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That's right
Internal Medicine, and lot,
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lot of people don't
know what that is but it's
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specializes in adult
diseases of the internal
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organs. And so, of
course the heart is an
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internal organ,
the liver's an internal
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organ, the lungs
are internal organ.
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And we're often called
in when multiple organs
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are having problems
or when somewhat thing
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is going wrong with
the patient and no one
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really knows what it
is. So, someone who can put
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all these internal
organ problems in prospective.
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Okay, so a cardiologist
is an internal medicine
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specialist, didn't
even look at the heart more.
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That's right, he's
going to look at the heart
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really exclusively,
okay, and forget some of the
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other aspects of
internal medicine. And so,
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that's where I have to
referee that sometimes,
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the heart, you know
the cardiologist want more
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fluids so that the
heart can pump better. And the
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pulmonologist is
wanting less fluids so that
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the lungs can dry
out and there can be more
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oxygen there. And so,
so they go to the referee
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which is you. That's
often the case, yeah.
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Okay, we're talking
about heart disease and
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first of all how
big a problem is it, to
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give us kind of a
prospective. And, and
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first of all in the
West and then in the world.
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Well, it is the
biggest killer in the entire
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world, in the US,
one out of, one death is
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occurring every 33 seconds from
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atherosclerosis.
Huge numbers of people die
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from this disease,
every year about 4,
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every day I should
say about 4 Jumbo Jets
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worth, in America,
in America. And we know
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enough about this
disease to normally prevent
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it, but actually if
you have coronary disease.
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The good news is
that we now know it can be
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reversed through diet
in lifestyle measures.
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Okay, and is it
fair to say that this is
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a relatively new
disease? No, it's been around
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for a longtime, the
Egyptians we're studying
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and they were found
to have coronary disease.
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Many Egyptians
died from, you know the,
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the reason why
Egyptians were studied because
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they made mummies out
of them, so they'll go
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look in their
arteries and found out there
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indeed many of them
died prematurely from
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coronary artery
disease, they were eating a lot
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of the same foods
that we do. Okay, so I,
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I guess another way
to put that question is,
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is it associated
with affluent lifestyle?
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It is, we don't see
coronary artery disease
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among the rural
Chinese for instance, there are
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not very affluent.
They can only afford the
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plant, world
vegetables, whole plant foods is
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what they tend to
eat and they don't have
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coronary artery
disease, okay. So, often
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the more affluent you
get the greater the risk,
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although fortunately
many people effluents
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in this country are
wising up to what causes
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it. And so,
they're eating a more plant
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based diet to prevent
it and a lot of the less
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of affluent people
don't have the access to
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this knowledge. And so,
they're still eating their
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Twinkies, ice cream
and pizza and you know
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chicken and beef
and not realizing what
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it's doing to them.
Before we get to exactly
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how to reverse it
just one of the thing, how
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soon does it
start in someone's life,
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this coronary artery
disease? Oh it can begin
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in infancy, Dr.
Berenson did the Bogalusa Heart
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study in children and
he found out that those
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fatty streaks
begin infancy in some
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individuals. Particularly
those that are consuming
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cow's milk in infancy,
but later on 10, 12, 14,
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age 18 you'll see
the fatty streaks in the
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order, so atherosclerosis
is beginning infancy
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and it just progresses
there after. So, really
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it's an issue of
parenting, that's right,
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the parents do have a
lot of control over what
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their children are
eating and what foods
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they enjoy. A lot of
times parents will say
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well you know my kids
don't enjoy this, well
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the kids enjoy
what they're used to,
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culturally we find
that around the world,
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that what they're
fed in a, at an early age
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is what they tend to
develop, relish a taste
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for. And so it's good
to be involved in your
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children's diet
from the time they are
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in infantness,
disease can be completely
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avoided. So, lets,
now with that background
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we know that it's
something we should
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be watching from age
2 or even before infancy
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onward. And we know
that it's afflicting all
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kinds of people, one
death every 33 seconds.
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Mental problems
that result from having
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strokes and
decrease blood flow, anywhere
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there is a blood
flow can cause a problem.
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What can we do
then to stop it and then
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reverse it? Well,
forget cholesterol out
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of the diet, every
study that shown reversal
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had extremely low
cholesterol in the
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diet or no
cholesterol. And so, forget
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cholesterol out of
the diet we don't have
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to worry about
oxidize cholesterol, we can
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begin to reverse it.
If we use polyunsaturated
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fat, foods, whole
plant foods, that are low in
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saturated, high in
polyunsaturated that
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will lower it. Eating
more fiber in the diet
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which also comes from
plant foods will lower
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it and then a lot
of people are not aware
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that the type of
protein that we're eating
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is also
important in lowering the
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cholesterol. Dr.
Sartori was one of the
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first to discover
this in Italy and he took
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people with high
cholesterol, he put
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them on a diet that
was low in cholesterol,
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low in saturated fat, higher in
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polyunsaturated fat,
pretty high in fiber.
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The only difference
he did in the two groups
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was he fed one group
an animal base protein
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which was casein,
which is a cow based protein;
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it's also present
in milk. Or he fed them
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a plant based
protein which was soy protein
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and we have a
graph of his study up on
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the screen. Within
three weeks, the one's on
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the vegetable protein
an average had lowered
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their cholesterol
over 60 milligrams.
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The ones on the
animal protein had lowered
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it a little more than
20 and then it was such
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a big difference
between the two groups.
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He did a gold
standard point, and that is he
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crossed the two
groups over just to make
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sure that one group
is not more response
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with the diet. And
the cross over study show
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those on the
animal protein their
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cholesterol went
backup, still lower than
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it was to start out
with because the other
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aspects of the diet
were healthy but now those
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on the vegetable
protein their cholesterol went
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down significantly
even further to greater
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than a 100
milligrams in just six weeks.
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And so, it's not only
the, the no cholesterol
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that's important in
bringing the cholesterol
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down, but eating
plant based sources of
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protein, in which
you can get all 8 of your
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essential amino acids
that way. So, when was
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this study done?
Dr. Sartori study
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was done in the 80's,
in the 80's. And why that
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we haven't heard
about this, because I, I, I
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don't often hear
about this when I'm
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interviewing, I
interview a lot of
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people about
heart disease? Well, it,
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it wasn't
publicized as much as it should
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have been, there
have been subsequent
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studies showing
the same thing. Dr.
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Anderson showed
this in Kentucky, Dr.
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Sanchez at Loma Linda University
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when he worked
there for the School
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of Health showed
that very clearly, that
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the animal protein
raises cholesterol.
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In fact he was
so interested in it
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and he took a look
at the types of animal
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foods, to see
which one's raises the
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more so. Which one's
did, then others, pork
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was high up there
on the list and dairy
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and eggs were also,
really raised it, yeah.
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Okay, and then he
look at which plant foods
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lowered it the most
and which one's did.
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And actually Fava
bean was the one that came
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out on top as far as
its protein component
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in lowering the
cholesterol. Fava beans,
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that's right, so
when you're cooking and
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you need to get and they
always talk about getting
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your protein, which I
think probably is over
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sold as well. This is
important to remember,
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that's right and
legumes are good for you,
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because they're gonna
have plenty of protein
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and they're gonna
have the right type
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of protein to help
lower that cholesterol.
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So, you are what
you eat. That's right,
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absolutely, your
arteries are made up that way.
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Okay, so looking at
the protein anything
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else that we
should really be concerned
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about? Well,
that's interestingly our,
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our talk today
is primarily on the
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elimination of
coronary artery disease
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or the reversing of
coronary artery disease
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and before we get
into the studies on
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reversal, I
thought it be good to quote
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Denis Diderot, he
was a French philosopher
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in the 18th
century. And he said this:
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"Doctors are
always working to preserve
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our health and
cooks to destroy it,
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but the latter are
often the more successful."
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It doesn't need to be
that way if we retrain
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the cooks, and
anyone who is a cook here
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on this set, I would
like you to think about
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how you can get
retrained utilizing the
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information that
we're giving you. Food
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can still be very
tasty and healthy; it just
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requires a good cook
to do that. And I think
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that, you know Dr.
Neil you've written
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the book called
Proof Positive, you've
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written or in the
process of writing some other
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books and you
have many teaching aids
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on your website www.
nedleypublishing.com,
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or www.dr.nedley.com,
and, and I think
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that book as I recall
has actual recipes in it.
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Yes, well Proof
Positive, it primarily talks
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about the
constituents of the diet, we do
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have recipes in our
depression book that
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helps
depression, okay. But, we do
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recommend some
recipe books to go along
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with Proof Positive
we're doing that. Alright,
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so it's a very
practical thing now you,
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does your, does your
wife hold cooking schools
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along with you still?
Yes, yeah that's, Don,
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we used to do them
twice a year without
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fail and did that for
16 or 17 years with the
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four boys that we
have and all of the, the
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family things we've
had to curtail that some.
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But, yeah she still
does it and does a great
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a job. Yes, she's
good cook I remember that,
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now let me ask you
this, a very practical
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thing someone sitting
there at home, they says
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oh! That sounds
great I understand
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that but my wife
who's the cook in the home
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like certain fruits
and likes where they taste
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and refuses to
cook differently. Well,
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you know there
are people, now you're
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a marriage
counselor, what do you do?
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What do you say? What do you do?
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No, we don't
recommend divorce over that,
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but we do recommend
good solid information
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being presented to
that wife, if she could
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realize what she
is doing you know.
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If she could you
know, if she could actually
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be contributing to
the demise of her husband
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with the food that
she's cooking and I mean
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does she really, is
she that firm in her
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belief, that she
just to see her husband
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go to an early
demise? I don't think so.
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And so, and if we can
cook food that's tasty
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and healthy what's
the resistance? Now,
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let me ask you this
there's so called mood
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foods, I mean this is
kind of an interesting
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question. Are they
bad foods associated
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with that
alleviation and exaggeration,
00:12:28.13\00:12:30.19
alleviation in mood
is that way people are
00:12:30.20\00:12:32.30
kind of addicted
to them? Well, to some
00:12:32.31\00:12:35.46
extent yes, but
long-term no, actually the,
00:12:35.47\00:12:39.03
the foods that are
least healthy actually
00:12:39.04\00:12:42.93
produce a poor mood
in the long run. In fact
00:12:42.94\00:12:45.73
will have evidence
of this later on in the
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program very interesting
study, but short-term
00:12:47.42\00:12:50.35
they can improve
dopamine levels and give you
00:12:50.36\00:12:52.48
a little bit of a
high. And so that's why some
00:12:52.49\00:12:56.41
people feel addicted
to these foods is because
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the dopamine rise it's
occurring from a rush of
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sugar for instance,
chocolate, with steak,
00:13:03.85\00:13:07.09
steak stimulates the
bottom portion of the
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brain, the large
molecules do so that it
00:13:10.44\00:13:14.16
can imbalance the
brain, decrease frontal
00:13:14.17\00:13:16.82
lobe circulation
and improve the hormonal
00:13:16.83\00:13:19.53
circulation around
pituitary, that's why
00:13:19.54\00:13:21.65
some man feel
stimulated after a steak dinner.
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It's not the right
type of stimulation however
00:13:24.63\00:13:27.30
it's just hormonal
and it's not frontal lobe
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stimulation.
Interesting we're talking with
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Dr. Neil Nedley,
we're talking about heart
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disease, we're
talking about the fact that it
00:13:33.33\00:13:35.49
can be reversed,
we've talked about changing
00:13:35.50\00:13:37.72
the protein from animal
protein to plant protein.
00:13:37.73\00:13:41.05
And when we come
back we're gonna talk more
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about what we can
do, about what you can do
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to reverse heart disease, join
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Welcome back, we're
talking with Dr. Neil
00:14:52.85\00:14:54.48
Nedley, we're
talking about heart disease,
00:14:54.49\00:14:55.82
if you have it or
someone you know has it
00:14:55.83\00:14:58.53
and that's very
likely. There's good news,
00:14:58.54\00:15:00.87
it can, first of
all it could have been
00:15:00.88\00:15:02.83
prevented but if
you have it, it can
00:15:02.84\00:15:04.56
be reversed and Dr.
Nedley has share with us
00:15:04.57\00:15:07.39
a several things, Dr.
Nedley we talked about
00:15:07.40\00:15:09.38
protein, talked
about how someone is on,
00:15:09.39\00:15:12.23
a diet and their
cholesterol is not going
00:15:12.24\00:15:14.39
down to maybe
switch from animal sources
00:15:14.40\00:15:18.19
to plant sources
protein and they will go
00:15:18.20\00:15:20.18
down more. Yeah,
significant difference
00:15:20.19\00:15:22.09
in doing that, and the
reason for that is plant
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protein is higher
in arginine and lower
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in lysine. Animal
protein is the opposite,
00:15:27.30\00:15:29.85
higher in lysine,
lower in arginine, it's the
00:15:29.86\00:15:32.40
ratio between those
two that Dr. Sanchez
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showed is critically
important in lowering
00:15:34.33\00:15:37.85
the cholesterol. And
we're gonna come back
00:15:37.86\00:15:39.41
and talk about what
that really means with
00:15:39.42\00:15:41.17
the arginine a little
bit letter, but you want to
00:15:41.18\00:15:43.17
share some studies
with us that really give us
00:15:43.18\00:15:45.64
hope in terms of
looking at. We have heart
00:15:45.65\00:15:48.32
disease and we wanna
reverse it. Yes, well Dr.
00:15:48.33\00:15:52.07
Ornish was the first
one to actually show that
00:15:52.08\00:15:55.27
coronary artery
disease could be reversed
00:15:55.28\00:15:58.05
through
lifestyle alone. No drugs,
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no medications, no
statin lowering drugs
00:16:02.23\00:16:05.29
or any other
cholesterol lowering drugs.
00:16:05.30\00:16:07.06
All he did was put
people on a low fat
00:16:07.07\00:16:10.16
vegetarian diet
and gave them help in
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controlling their
stress by attending stress
00:16:13.82\00:16:16.44
seminars and put
them on a walking program,
00:16:16.45\00:16:19.55
a brisk walking
program, a regular exercise
00:16:20.58\00:16:22.95
program and those
three things combined
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produced dramatic
results. A year after
00:16:25.22\00:16:28.32
they'd have
their angiogram showing
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blocked
coronaries. When you say he was
00:16:30.64\00:16:32.79
the first who
document that you mean the
00:16:32.80\00:16:34.36
first physician that
wasn't Nathan Pritikin
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doing somewhat of
the same things. Yes,
00:16:36.30\00:16:38.42
he was, but he never
really did but before
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and after
angiograms. Okay, and so he
00:16:41.81\00:16:44.41
was the first in
the sense of using that
00:16:44.42\00:16:46.02
high-tech documentation,
right. What Nathan
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Pritikin showed was
that the cholesterols
00:16:48.64\00:16:50.75
will go down, the
blood lipids will be
00:16:50.76\00:16:53.82
significantly
improved, we've known that for
00:16:53.83\00:16:55.68
quite some time and
we thought experientially
00:16:55.69\00:16:59.03
that was happening
because they would go to
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a lifestyle center
and not be able to walk
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across the room
without having chest pain.
00:17:03.38\00:17:06.27
And by the time
they're through 19 days later
00:17:06.28\00:17:09.10
they're walking 5
miles with no chest pain
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at all, so something
appeared to be happening
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but it's of course
an expansive trial to
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do the angiograms in
these people before and
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after. And do a
randomized controlled
00:17:19.67\00:17:21.65
study which is what
Dr. Ornish did. And then
00:17:21.66\00:17:24.14
since that time
there's been all those studies
00:17:24.15\00:17:26.16
that have even
developed that further. Yes,
00:17:26.17\00:17:28.90
there have been and
of course Dr. Ornish
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did a follow up
study and then there
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have been other
studies that have come out,
00:17:32.48\00:17:34.15
but part of what I
wanted to show you as
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well was what
happens when people are put
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on The American
Heart Association Diet.
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Okay, so this is
supposedly supposed to
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help them. That's
right; it supposed to help them
00:17:43.32\00:17:45.83
and the original
studies on reversal, where done
00:17:45.84\00:17:48.75
with a person being
put on the American Heart
00:17:48.76\00:17:51.52
Association Diet.
And then the person being
00:17:51.53\00:17:54.03
put on the American
Heart Association Diet
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plus a Statin drug
or another drug, niacin
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for instance to,
niacin's a Vitamin but in high
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doses that acts
like a drug, to lower the
00:18:03.79\00:18:06.35
cholesterol levels
that way. And it was
00:18:06.36\00:18:09.69
interesting that once
we got the cholesterol
00:18:09.70\00:18:11.54
levels down no
matter how a reversal tended
00:18:11.55\00:18:14.65
to occur, but the
control group they were
00:18:14.66\00:18:17.61
not on these medications
it's quite interesting
00:18:17.62\00:18:19.95
to see what happened
to their arteries. And I
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think our next slide
actually goes into that,
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these were people that
actually had very enough
00:18:24.93\00:18:28.05
disease to have
bypass surgery and they were
00:18:28.06\00:18:30.16
put on what many
people would consider a
00:18:30.17\00:18:31.81
lower fat diet, 25
percent fat and only
00:18:31.82\00:18:34.74
200 and 250
milligrams of cholesterol
00:18:34.75\00:18:37.34
per day in their
diet. The average American
00:18:37.35\00:18:39.70
eats closer to 400
milligrams a day, so
00:18:39.71\00:18:42.82
after three years
41 percent of patients
00:18:42.83\00:18:45.80
have progression of
their coronary artery disease.
00:18:45.81\00:18:48.13
After 5 years 65
percent had progression
00:18:48.14\00:18:51.92
of their coronary
artery disease, so greater
00:18:51.93\00:18:54.14
blockages after 7
years 77 percent had
00:18:54.15\00:18:57.12
progression and
after 10 years 85 percent
00:18:57.13\00:19:00.08
of patients had
significant progression
00:19:00.09\00:19:02.66
of their coronary
artery disease and that's
00:19:02.67\00:19:04.44
why often bypass
surgery has to be done 10
00:19:04.45\00:19:07.51
years later. And
here these people what's
00:19:07.52\00:19:10.71
confusing to the
general public is I thought
00:19:10.72\00:19:13.03
I was taking,
eating a diet there was
00:19:13.04\00:19:15.29
supposed to help me.
That's really and it's
00:19:15.30\00:19:16.61
healthful, I was
scraping the fat off of the
00:19:16.62\00:19:19.43
chicken, I was eating
low fat cheese instead
00:19:19.44\00:19:22.51
of regular cheese. I
was trying to eat turkey
00:19:22.52\00:19:26.16
and fish and
instead of beef every meal,
00:19:26.17\00:19:29.76
those type of changes
are just modest changes
00:19:29.77\00:19:34.10
and they only
produced very mild results
00:19:34.11\00:19:37.26
if any. And if we
really wanna make a
00:19:37.27\00:19:40.06
difference in reversing
coronary artery disease,
00:19:40.07\00:19:42.33
we need to make
some significant changes
00:19:42.34\00:19:45.29
and of course
those significant changes
00:19:45.30\00:19:47.10
can be made and
they're being made by
00:19:47.11\00:19:49.25
people all over
the country once their
00:19:49.26\00:19:51.61
informed on what
this will do to their
00:19:51.62\00:19:53.40
arteries and then
they're experiencing the
00:19:53.41\00:19:55.44
benefit. So, you
know is this some message
00:19:55.45\00:19:58.99
for everybody around
the world someone that's
00:19:59.00\00:20:01.75
starving in Africa, is
this a message for them
00:20:01.76\00:20:03.82
or should they eat
whatever they can find.
00:20:03.83\00:20:05.74
Well, I mean if
you're absolutely starving
00:20:06.94\00:20:09.93
and there's no food
around whatsoever it's
00:20:09.94\00:20:12.06
probably better to
eat them than to starve
00:20:12.07\00:20:13.87
to death. But most
of the people that are
00:20:13.88\00:20:17.46
starving in these
countries, plant foods
00:20:17.47\00:20:20.75
there are the
most readily available
00:20:20.76\00:20:22.42
because they're
cheaper. And so you
00:20:22.43\00:20:26.10
know if they have a
choice on what to eat,
00:20:26.11\00:20:28.17
the plant foods are
be the better way to go
00:20:28.18\00:20:29.72
in preventing
this disease as well as
00:20:29.73\00:20:31.87
reversing it. And I
think that, I mean during
00:20:31.88\00:20:34.99
the world ward II
isn't that where we begin
00:20:35.00\00:20:37.15
to understand that
these things could be reversed
00:20:37.16\00:20:39.00
initially. Right, exactly.
Okay, some other studies
00:20:39.01\00:20:42.49
you want to share with
us in terms of reversal
00:20:42.50\00:20:45.07
on the good news.
Yeah, well this is Dr.
00:20:45.08\00:20:46.60
Ornish's study, the
lifestyle heart trial,
00:20:46.61\00:20:49.12
okay, and this was
one year difference
00:20:49.13\00:20:52.67
and again notice,
low fat are less than 5
00:20:52.68\00:20:56.96
milligrams of
cholesterol in the diet. So,
00:20:56.97\00:21:00.25
it was a vegetarian
diet and after one year
00:21:00.26\00:21:03.32
24 percent decrease in
their total cholesterol,
00:21:03.33\00:21:06.01
37 percent decrease in
the bad LDL cholesterol.
00:21:06.02\00:21:09.73
And again the American
Heart Association Diet's
00:21:10.61\00:21:13.20
only reduce the LDL
about 6 percent. Angiography
00:21:13.21\00:21:16.82
one year later 82
percent regression, that means
00:21:16.83\00:21:20.73
the coronary
arteries actually opened up,
00:21:20.74\00:21:22.99
14 percent no
change and only 4 percent
00:21:23.00\00:21:25.84
worsened and I should
mention those 4 percent
00:21:25.85\00:21:28.59
who worsened weren't
compliant with the diet,
00:21:28.60\00:21:30.95
they were in the
randomize trial but for
00:21:30.96\00:21:32.79
whatever reason they
weren't very compliant
00:21:32.80\00:21:34.46
with the diet.
Overall every coronary artery
00:21:34.47\00:21:38.31
disease experienced
a 2.2 percent overall
00:21:38.32\00:21:41.42
regression which
results in a 9 percent
00:21:41.43\00:21:43.51
increase in blood
flow. But the interesting
00:21:43.52\00:21:46.04
thing is the, the
greater the blockage the
00:21:46.05\00:21:48.43
greater the benefit.
Those that had greater
00:21:48.44\00:21:50.59
than 50 percent
blockage: 5.3 percent of
00:21:50.60\00:21:54.27
regression of
atherosclerosis and
00:21:54.28\00:21:56.42
that means that 23
percent increase in
00:21:56.43\00:21:59.35
blood flow. Amazing
so that just, let me
00:21:59.36\00:22:03.36
just summarize the
American heart was 25
00:22:03.37\00:22:05.25
percent fat and
this was 10 percent fat,
00:22:05.26\00:22:10.06
that's right. The American Heart
00:22:10.07\00:22:12.45
Association Diet was
how much cholesterol?
00:22:12.46\00:22:16.19
200 to 250
milligrams, and this was,
00:22:16.20\00:22:18.96
5 milligrams,
that's the big difference,
00:22:18.97\00:22:21.62
that's the big
difference. That's
00:22:21.63\00:22:22.60
cutting out the egg
yoke. Yeah, and actually
00:22:22.61\00:22:24.37
we have found out
since that time, we
00:22:24.38\00:22:25.85
don't need to lower
the fat that much as long
00:22:25.86\00:22:28.49
as we're eating
the good fats okay.
00:22:28.50\00:22:30.28
Primarily the plant
fats for instance almonds,
00:22:30.29\00:22:32.26
walnuts those would
have even helped the
00:22:32.27\00:22:33.96
situation further as
far as triglyceride levels
00:22:33.97\00:22:36.83
and those type of
things. And so it's,
00:22:36.84\00:22:39.57
we can still get
that reversal with 20
00:22:39.58\00:22:42.39
to 25 percent fat
in the diet as long as
00:22:42.40\00:22:45.94
we're getting that
cholesterol way down and
00:22:45.95\00:22:48.13
we're eating the
good fats instead of the
00:22:48.14\00:22:49.81
saturated ones.
So, the Bible says:
00:22:49.82\00:22:51.59
The life is in the
blood when that blood flow
00:22:51.60\00:22:53.09
increases life
comes back. That's right,
00:22:53.10\00:22:56.74
the life comes
back and it is enhanced
00:22:56.75\00:22:59.05
and prolonged.
Now, earlier on you were
00:22:59.06\00:23:02.00
talking about the
proteins, you were
00:23:02.01\00:23:03.45
talking about we
need to switch from
00:23:03.46\00:23:05.22
animal proteins
to plant proteins and
00:23:05.23\00:23:08.39
you said it's because
of the ratio of arginine
00:23:08.40\00:23:11.85
to Lysine, Lysine.
Yes, and actually the
00:23:11.86\00:23:15.69
interesting thing
about the Ornish study
00:23:15.70\00:23:17.25
when these
people were randomized
00:23:17.26\00:23:18.92
to the vegetarian
group within three weeks
00:23:18.93\00:23:24.35
their chest pain
was virtually gone.
00:23:24.36\00:23:26.86
They were having
5 to 6 episodes of
00:23:26.87\00:23:29.45
chest pain per
week, that's why they got
00:23:29.46\00:23:30.86
their original
angiogram. But three weeks
00:23:30.87\00:23:33.32
later no chest pain
and we know reversal
00:23:33.33\00:23:35.65
doesn't occur that
quickly as far as those
00:23:35.66\00:23:39.28
plaques are
concerned because those plaques
00:23:39.29\00:23:40.89
are calcified, it takes
them a while to regress,
00:23:40.90\00:23:43.60
so why is the blood
flow increasing without
00:23:43.61\00:23:46.41
reversal? The arginine,
and it is the arginine.
00:23:46.42\00:23:49.73
Arginine gets turned
into something in the
00:23:50.48\00:23:52.51
body called nitric
oxide. Nitric oxide is the same
00:23:52.52\00:23:56.86
thing that
nitroglycerin is trying to do,
00:23:56.87\00:23:59.14
nitroglycerin gets
turned into that to dilate
00:23:59.15\00:24:01.40
the arteries. Interesting,
00:24:01.41\00:24:03.08
and arginine is a
natural nitroglycerin and why
00:24:03.09\00:24:06.47
were they getting so
much arginine. He wasn't
00:24:06.48\00:24:07.95
giving it to
him as a supplement,
00:24:07.96\00:24:09.47
these are in the
plants, they were actually,
00:24:09.48\00:24:11.21
that's right. It was
in the plant foods and
00:24:11.22\00:24:13.93
there are foods that
are higher in arginine
00:24:13.94\00:24:16.07
than others and that's
what I believe our next
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graphic shows us,
let's look at that. You can
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see walnuts, black
walnuts by the way will
00:24:22.24\00:24:24.83
significantly lower
your cholesterol but they're
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also good because
they're high in arginine
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23 grams. Kidney
beans even higher yet 2.6,
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Garbanzos 3.6, I love
those too, Lentils 4.2,
00:24:32.78\00:24:38.54
Soybeans 5.3 and
the highest is actually
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pumpkin 6.2, those
were be pumpkin seeds
00:24:43.69\00:24:47.66
as what that should
say not just the pumpkin.
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That's kind of a big
meal, so when you eat
00:24:50.26\00:24:53.55
those things it
actually goes into your body
00:24:53.56\00:24:55.79
and stimulates
nitric oxide production
00:24:55.80\00:24:59.68
which dilates the vessels, which
00:24:59.69\00:25:00.72
dilates the artery;
increase the, right,
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blood flow. Even before
reversal occurs, we need
00:25:03.43\00:25:05.47
to understand that
the arteries in the body
00:25:05.48\00:25:07.47
are not like lead
pipes, you know they're
00:25:07.48\00:25:09.78
muscular organs.
And so as we give them
00:25:09.79\00:25:13.18
substances to relax
they'll allow more blood
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flow even before the
reversal occurs and then
00:25:15.95\00:25:18.79
once we get the
reversal long-term, we get
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a 23 percent blood
flow even without that
00:25:20.95\00:25:23.33
dilatation. Now,
there's other benefits
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emotionally that
the Ornish study showed
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and I think you wanna
summarize those. Well,
00:25:27.83\00:25:30.09
yeah, actually what
had happened was that
00:25:30.10\00:25:32.44
the ethesis, before
Ornish did his study
00:25:32.45\00:25:35.58
the ethesis said
you've got to measure the
00:25:35.59\00:25:38.36
mental health of
these patients. And he says
00:25:38.37\00:25:41.03
why do I need to
do that and he says
00:25:41.04\00:25:42.98
because if you switch
them over to a low fat
00:25:42.99\00:25:45.01
vegetarian diet. Yes,
you may end up showing
00:25:45.02\00:25:47.98
that their arteries
are improved, but their
00:25:47.99\00:25:50.31
depression might
significantly increase.
00:25:50.32\00:25:52.52
And he said what you
thinking about and he
00:25:53.04\00:25:54.37
said well it's just
gonna altar, their lives,
00:25:54.38\00:25:57.34
their lives
significantly, they'll
00:25:57.35\00:25:59.03
not be able to eat
at the same restaurants.
00:25:59.04\00:26:00.75
It's gonna altar
maybe their home life, maybe
00:26:00.76\00:26:02.94
some of their
social environment and you
00:26:02.95\00:26:04.91
might totally disrupt
that and suicides might
00:26:04.92\00:26:07.47
even go up. And
significant depression,
00:26:07.48\00:26:10.74
so we mandate from
that an ethical standpoint,
00:26:10.75\00:26:13.06
that you, not
measure that, monitor their
00:26:13.07\00:26:16.10
physiological finding.
So, what happened? Well
00:26:16.11\00:26:18.96
he said fine, we'll
go ahead and do that and
00:26:18.97\00:26:21.42
so at the beginning
of the study and we have
00:26:21.43\00:26:24.01
a graphic on this. At
the beginning of the study
00:26:24.02\00:26:26.37
the ones that
were randomized for the
00:26:26.38\00:26:27.97
vegetarian group,
before they became vegetarian
00:26:27.98\00:26:30.54
their score was 27,
the higher the score the
00:26:30.55\00:26:33.19
worse and that score
is measuring not only
00:26:33.20\00:26:35.58
depression, but the
lack of ability to experience
00:26:35.59\00:26:38.87
pleasure, insomnia,
and insomnia, mental health
00:26:38.88\00:26:44.28
in general. One
year later their score
00:26:44.29\00:26:46.68
significantly improved
in 19 and it's true some
00:26:46.69\00:26:49.65
of their social
networks were disrupted and
00:26:49.66\00:26:51.68
some of their family
life was disrupted, but their
00:26:51.69\00:26:53.58
mental health
significantly improved.
00:26:53.59\00:26:55.57
The blue ones are
the control group, those
00:26:55.58\00:26:57.62
were the ones
randomize to the American Heart
00:26:57.63\00:26:59.20
Association Diet; they
got worse, 23.9 as their
00:26:59.21\00:27:03.19
control and then
one year later 24.1. So,
00:27:03.20\00:27:06.82
slightly worse,
pretty much the same and so
00:27:06.83\00:27:09.73
this study goes
along with other studies
00:27:09.74\00:27:11.88
showing that
instead of a vegetarian
00:27:11.89\00:27:13.61
diet increasing your
anxiety, and increasing
00:27:13.62\00:27:16.92
your depression, it's
actually gonna help it
00:27:16.93\00:27:18.65
out significantly and
these peoples pleasure
00:27:18.66\00:27:21.41
rating actually went
up. They were experiencing
00:27:21.42\00:27:24.67
a much more
satisfied life with their
00:27:24.68\00:27:27.48
vegetarian lifestyle
and the word needs to go
00:27:27.49\00:27:29.86
out on that. It
really does, so reversing
00:27:29.87\00:27:31.99
heart disease is not
just a physical, think you
00:27:32.00\00:27:34.85
been an emotional
thing, that's right. People can
00:27:34.86\00:27:36.87
go from being depressed
to delighted if they do
00:27:36.88\00:27:39.83
this, that's
right. Absolutely. Well,
00:27:39.84\00:27:41.73
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Dr. Nedley for being
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